Hypothetically speaking...

[Nick Chapman]

If I ordered a new sub for the house, and it had to be delivered by semi, unloaded by pallet jack, and needed at least 2 people to move it into position, would that be going overboard? :o

[ClockwrkOrangeS4]

If I ordered a new sub for the house, and it had to be delivered by semi, unloaded by pallet jack, and needed at least 2 people to move it into position, would that be going overboard? :o

yes

I've installed my fair share of home theater rooms and have yet to see one that needed anything like that. Can't hate though, keep on keepin' on. We'll need pics though, at least I do.

[STANGGT40]

i'm picturing the speaker from back to the future that michael j fox hooked his guitar to, and it blew him across the room when he strummed it! lmao :D

[Nick Chapman]

yes

I've installed my fair share of home theater rooms and have yet to see one that needed anything like that. Can't hate though, keep on keepin' on. We'll need pics though, at least I do.


Here's some pictures of how it's delivered. Note that I have not ordered one yet, this is NOT MINE.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v356/blonzz/ConquestsArrival001.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v356/blonzz/ConquestsArrival016.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v356/blonzz/ConquestsArrival017.jpg

[ClockwrkOrangeS4]

Wilson Audio?

[Nick Chapman]

Epik Subwoofers, The Conquest model :o

[ClockwrkOrangeS4]

interesting

[Nick Chapman]

interesting


Can't decide between that and the SVS PB13-Ultra.

Conquest is a big mofo! But I will only need 1
SVS is a little smaller, looks better. But not sure if 1 will be enough, or will I need 2.

I have about 6000cuft of space, and I'm worried about maxing out the SVS.

[Richie064]

Conquest - $1599 for this sub is a great deal wow :eek:

[ClockwrkOrangeS4]

Can't decide between that and the SVS PB13-Ultra.

Conquest is a big mofo! But I will only need 1
SVS is a little smaller, looks better. But not sure if 1 will be enough, or will I need 2.

I have about 6000cuft of space, and I'm worried about maxing out the SVS.

I'd have to go with the SVS, but it's not my money.

[Nick Chapman]

I'd have to go with the SVS, but it's not my money.


Do you think it will fill my needs with just 1 unit? I'm kind of a bass junkie :o

I do like the fact that it has so many adjustments, much better looking, easier to move around. I'm just afraid that I'll need 2 instead of just one.

[silverhatch]

http://dfwstangs.net/forums/showthread.php?t=369339&highlight=audio

[krazy kris]

Here's some pictures of how it's delivered. Note that I have not ordered one yet, this is NOT MINE.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v356/blonzz/ConquestsArrival001.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v356/blonzz/ConquestsArrival016.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v356/blonzz/ConquestsArrival017.jpg

hot damn, is that a t.v. or a fucking speaker

[Nick Chapman]

http://dfwstangs.net/forums/showthread.php?t=369339&highlight=audio


Yeah, and? :D

[ClockwrkOrangeS4]

Do you think it will fill my needs with just 1 unit? I'm kind of a bass junkie :o

I do like the fact that it has so many adjustments, much better looking, easier to move around. I'm just afraid that I'll need 2 instead of just one.

I remember you selling a sub, what was it? Pretty sure it was a SVS, what model was it? Safe to assume the new one is going in the room that one came out of? How close was your old one to your listening needs?

[STROKD]

If I ordered a new sub for the house, and it had to be delivered by semi, unloaded by pallet jack, and needed at least 2 people to move it into position, would that be going overboard? :o
Not if its a JL Gotham it wouldn't be! :D

[Nick Chapman]

I remember you selling a sub, what was it? Pretty sure it was a SVS, what model was it? Safe to assume the new one is going in the room that one came out of? How close was your old one to your listening needs?


Nah, that was a HSU VTF3 MKII. It was a 3rd sub.
I have 2 right now. HSU HO with Turbo(lower bass), and an MBM-12(mid bass). Fills the room pretty well, but with 6000cuft, it can't keep up with my demands. I'm wanting something with a little more balls :D

[Nick Chapman]

Not if its a JL Gotham it wouldn't be! :D


I was actually considering the F113, but it's doesn't have enough supply for my demand :D

[FastFord19]

Fordracing19's SVS PB2+ sounds pretty good. It would sound even better if it was in a smaller room.

[fordracing19]

Fordracing19's SVS PB2+ sounds pretty good. It would sound even better if it was in a smaller room.
I sure wish I had a dedicated room. Large living room with 10' ceilings and an open floor plan with kitchen and dining area kills me. :(

[Nick Chapman]

I sure wish I had a dedicated room. Large living room with 10' ceilings and an open floor plan with kitchen and dining area kills me. :(


Thats exactly my problem. I have a little over 6000cuft with the living room, dining room and kitchen combined.

My choice at the moment is the SVS PB13-Ultra, or the Epik Conquest. They are both about the same price. Epik would fill every bit of my room without a problem. The SVS MAY do the job, but I still might need another one :( Just not sure which way to go.
Epik has a 3-4 week build time. SVS could be here within 3 days.
Epik is HUGE! Which is another reason I am considering the SVS.

[Got Stripes?]

Go for the Velodyne DD-1812SE :D It is the best of both worlds with an 18" high excursion woofer and a 12" high power servo all in one.

Granted its a little larger than the Epik Conquest, and requires a 230V outlet for it's 8500W on-board amps. Oh and it might be a tad bit more than $1500 :eek:

[Nick Chapman]

Go for the Velodyne DD-1812SE :D It is the best of both worlds with an 18" high excursion woofer and a 12" high power servo all in one.

Granted its a little larger than the Epik Conquest, and requires a 230V outlet for it's 8500W on-board amps. Oh and it might be a tad bit more than $1500 :eek:


$21k for a standard, add $2k for a real wood model :eek:

[Got Stripes?]

$21k for a standard, add $2k for a real wood model :eek:

But if you know someone that is a Velodyne dealer you can get them for half of that :cool:

[ceyko]

I thought you already sold one or were selling one cause it was too much? :)

I got a nice - little sub that serves a purpose. Next level up would be nice I think. However, at what point is a sub a concern for the physical structure of a house? :) Or that things in it. ha

take care,

[ceyko]

Go for the Velodyne DD-1812SE :D It is the best of both worlds with an 18" high excursion woofer and a 12" high power servo all in one.

Granted its a little larger than the Epik Conquest, and requires a 230V outlet for it's 8500W on-board amps. Oh and it might be a tad bit more than $1500 :eek:

My sub is a velodyne sub, that has been pounding away for over 10 years now.

....230 outlet for a sub. That's awesome.

[Nick Chapman]

I thought you already sold one or were selling one cause it was too much? :)

I got a nice - little sub that serves a purpose. Next level up would be nice I think. However, at what point is a sub a concern for the physical structure of a house? :) Or that things in it. ha

take care,


There is NO such thing as overkill!! :D

Yeah, I sold one a while back. But I was running 3 subs. I had to get rid of 1 of them, they were taking up too much space. I'm still running 2 subs.

Either of the new subs would take the place of my existing subs, and give me a bit more headroom. As it stands now, I can bottom out my subs in a lot of low frequency scenes. One example is the scene in the movie Pulse, it hits low and loud.
Plus the sound quality is amazing when you step up to the next level of subs. It's not about how loud you can play it, but how accurately it reproduces the sound.

[Somewhere in Time]

I paid that much for a Sunfire a few years back! That seems really cheap.

[fordracing19]

Woulnt what you have now work good for your dedicated room?

[STROKD]

I was actually considering the F113, but it's doesn't have enough supply for my demand :D
Dude its 2 W7s with like 5000 watts isnt it? Hows that not gonna work? :eek: I want 4 of the single 13s, one at each corner of my sound room, that'd be good shit.

[STROKD]

But if you know someone that is a Velodyne dealer you can get them for half of that :cool:
Hows that sound? I will be having you hook it up when I get a casa. ;)

[Nick Chapman]

Dude its 2 W7s with like 5000 watts isnt it? Hows that not gonna work? :eek: I want 4 of the single 13s, one at each corner of my sound room, that'd be good shit.


Nah, it's only one 13.5" driver, and not quite 5k watts. More like half that.
But it also carry's an almost $4k price tag. Thats double of what I want to spend.

[grove rat]

daaaaaaaaaaaaamn

[Geor!]

Pops has a huge sub enclosure with 1-15" passive driver and 1-"15 active driver. Fuckin thing is a monster.

[momo stallion]

sounds like overkill! I like it.

What kinda amp and speakers are you running or going to be running.

[Nick Chapman]

sounds like overkill! I like it.

What kinda amp and speakers are you running or going to be running.


Running an ATI 1505 amp, and HTD speaker for now. I like the way they sound, but are a little on the bright side. Might look into something a little warmer in the future.


Nick

[momo stallion]

Running an ATI 1505 amp, and HTD speaker for now. I like the way they sound, but are a little on the bright side. Might look into something a little warmer in the future.


Nick


id like to hear that setup, especially that amp. never heard of the htd speakers though.

[Nick Chapman]

id like to hear that setup, especially that amp. never heard of the htd speakers though.


They're pretty good value for the price they charge.
Anytime you wanna swing out, just let me know and I'll throw a DVD in and let em rip :D

[Nick Chapman]

Just an update on my sub situation for those who care...

Been talking with Mark Seaton(the godfather of HT subs), and we are discussing a custom built sub. With 2 15" drivers in a sealed enclosure, 1000 watt onboard amp. Cabinet size should be livable in size, and it'll have a nice finish to it. With this combo, he claims the hz to be down into the single digits :eek: :eek:

I really considered the Epik Conquest(pictured above), but it's size is a huge issue for me. Plus positioning it would be a challenge. Going the custom build route, would give me more flexability moving it around(if I needed to), and wouldn't be such an eye sore :D

I should know more within the next week or so. Just trying not to make an impulse buy here, like I did last time. Nothing more frustrating to me than wasting money :( The SVS is still a consideration, but I just don't think I'm going to be completely happy with the end result.

Thats it :D

[ceyko]

Just an update on my sub situation for those who care...

Been talking with Mark Seaton(the godfather of HT subs), and we are discussing a custom built sub. With 2 15" drivers in a sealed enclosure, 1000 watt onboard amp. Cabinet size should be livable in size, and it'll have a nice finish to it. With this combo, he claims the hz to be down into the single digits :eek: :eek:

I really considered the Epik Conquest(pictured above), but it's size is a huge issue for me. Plus positioning it would be a challenge. Going the custom build route, would give me more flexability moving it around(if I needed to), and wouldn't be such an eye sore :D

I should know more within the next week or so. Just trying not to make an impulse buy here, like I did last time. Nothing more frustrating to me than wasting money :( The SVS is still a consideration, but I just don't think I'm going to be completely happy with the end result.

Thats it :D

Just so you know, I think they make little fork lifts that you can drive around your house if needed - to move that thing around. :)

[Nick Chapman]

Just so you know, I think they make little fork lifts that you can drive around your house if needed - to move that thing around. :)


Or I can just sweet talk some people into coming over and helping. Maybe some free koozie's with a frosty adult beverage inside? :D

[whitetrash]

Or I can just sweet talk some people into coming over and helping. Maybe some free koozie's with a frosty adult beverage inside? :D
in :D

[my dixie wrecked]

Or I can just sweet talk some people into coming over and helping. Maybe some free koozie's with a frosty adult beverage inside? :D
I'd be game and no way is it overkill.

in :D
<--------IN! I say it louder. :D

[pgans]

I have the last gen SVS PC-Ultra and WOW is this sub clean. It can shake the living crap out of the entire house, and it is still clean. With that being said, there are times with super low bass that I've bottomed it out. It was uncomfortably loud, but I was able to do it.

It is beautiful to listen to music with. Sounds great with movies, but it's harder to tell quality when the track is so complex. I have pretty varied listening preferences, and have been happy with the way it sounded in all. I don't even have the sub setup correctly for the room, as it's just in the corner right now and not fully calibrated. Too many projects right now.

I don't know anything about the Epik sub, but you will definitely be happy with the quality of the SVS one.

[Nick Chapman]

I have the last gen SVS PC-Ultra and WOW is this sub clean. It can shake the living crap out of the entire house, and it is still clean. With that being said, there are times with super low bass that I've bottomed it out. It was uncomfortably loud, but I was able to do it.

It is beautiful to listen to music with. Sounds great with movies, but it's harder to tell quality when the track is so complex. I have pretty varied listening preferences, and have been happy with the way it sounded in all. I don't even have the sub setup correctly for the room, as it's just in the corner right now and not fully calibrated. Too many projects right now.

I don't know anything about the Epik sub, but you will definitely be happy with the quality of the SVS one.


Big question is, how large is your room?
Myself, I'm trying to fill a little over 6000cu ft. And thats a healthy task for any single sub. After talking with Ed at SVS, he agreed that the PB10-Ultra may not meet my needs alone. I would have to have 2 of them in order to fill my room. Thats $3500 shipped, and it MIGHT get down to the Hz that I'm wanting. So I started looking at other manufactures within my price range. Elemental Designs has a pretty hefty unit, but it's too heavy(over 400 pounds). The Epik Conquest is also a pretty large unit(40" tall). This brought me to Mark Seaton. We are currently discussing my options for him to build me a sub.

SVS is a good looking sub, but I need output, plain and simple. I want the Hz to drop into the low teens, or single digits. And SVS just didn't think they could meet my needs without running multiple subs.

If Mark can't deliver, I may end up with the Conquest. But his suggestion of the box, plus 2-15" drivers and 1k watt amp sounds plausible :D

[Mustangman_2000]

Not too many people max out a SVS. The PC-Ultras are monsters.

Have you considered running dual subs instead of one giant sub?

I've heard a dual 12" HSU subs in a relatively large room with high ceilings. System was calibrated at 80 db and it tried to rip the house apart well below reference levels.

[Mustangman_2000]

B
SVS is a good looking sub, but I need output, plain and simple. I want the Hz to drop into the low teens, or single digits. And SVS just didn't think they could meet my needs without running multiple subs.

If Mark can't deliver, I may end up with the Conquest. But his suggestion of the box, plus 2-15" drivers and 1k watt amp sounds plausible :D

SVS has some infrasonic stuff and their BASH amps can keep it clean and linear. HSU Research top end models can reach down really low as well.

You sound like an overkill type of guy. I've got a cheap $300 Infinity PS12 400watt peak sub that can get reach down to almost 25hz. There are movie soundtracks out there that go infrasonic, but not a lot of titles. 90% of the time they like the 30 - 35hz spectrum.

[Nick Chapman]

Not too many people max out a SVS. The PC-Ultras are monsters.

Have you considered running dual subs instead of one giant sub?

I've heard a dual 12" HSU subs in a relatively large room with high ceilings. System was calibrated at 80 db and it tried to rip the house apart well below reference levels.


I have HSU now.
Running an HO w/turbo and an MBM module. Last year, I was running 3 HSU subs :D
They are great subs, don't get me wrong. But I have a lot of space to fill. I've considered their new model(ULS 15) that goes down to 10hz, but it won't go that low in my room. In order to take advantage of their 10hz claim, I would have to run 4(yes FOUR) ULS 15's. 2 in the front and 2 in the rear, plus at least 1 MBM module. Thats 5 subs total! I just don't have the space for that, and my g/f would absolutely KILL me :D
Last time I was in California(about 2 months ago), I actually stopped by HSU and demo'd their new ULS15. It was an impressive sub. Best they've come out with so far. But to get where I want to be, they're just not gonna cut it. The wireless feature on it is awesome! That is a huge plus in my book!

There are a LOT of movies that reach well below the 30hz mark, a lot! And I like to take advantage of them. I like to feel the pressurization of the room when watching a movie :D Right now, I'm getting down to about 16hz, but it bottoms out quickly in my large room. For 99% of the HT people, this would be fine, but I'm in that lonely 1% that needs more :o

[97ssconvertible]

hey man have you looked into making a "sonosub" google search it and read about them on avsforum.com they are pretty nice and for that money you can make an insane sub.

[pgans]

There are a LOT of movies that reach well below the 30hz mark, a lot! And I like to take advantage of them. I like to feel the pressurization of the room when watching a movie :D Right now, I'm getting down to about 16hz, but it bottoms out quickly in my large room. For 99% of the HT people, this would be fine, but I'm in that lonely 1% that needs more :o

Yes, that feeling is great.

My room is only about 2500 cuft. If you are looking for very high SPL in that large of a room, there is no way one PC-Ultra will cut it. You could go with 2 like you mentioned and have them tuned at 10Hz and I think you'd be happy with it. I currently have mine tuned at 15Hz.

Good luck in your choice, I always thought it would be fun to do a custom sub setup for a HT. I've listened to a few custom ones, and while they were loud I was never happy with their musical performance. Just sounded too muddy. Of course, that's not to say all custom ones will be muddy.

[Nick Chapman]

hey man have you looked into making a "sonosub" google search it and read about them on avsforum.com they are pretty nice and for that money you can make an insane sub.



I barely have enough time to scratch my a$$, building my own sub would probably satisfy my needs, but I do not have the time to take on a project like this and do it correctly. Full time job plus a full time business eats every bit of free time that I have :(

[Nick Chapman]

Yes, that feeling is great.

My room is only about 2500 cuft. If you are looking for very high SPL in that large of a room, there is no way one PC-Ultra will cut it. You could go with 2 like you mentioned and have them tuned at 10Hz and I think you'd be happy with it. I currently have mine tuned at 15Hz.

2 PB13-Ultra's will be $3200 plus shipping. Total of about $3500. This blows my budgest out the window :(

Good luck in your choice, I always thought it would be fun to do a custom sub setup for a HT. I've listened to a few custom ones, and while they were loud I was never happy with their musical performance. Just sounded too muddy. Of course, that's not to say all custom ones will be muddy.


I would also love to take on a project like this, but there just isn't enough hours in the day :( I've heard some custom subs that sound horrible, but I've also heard some that are amazing! There are some pretty amazing subs out there if you have the time and some woodworking skills, you could build a kick a$$ sub. And for the $$$, they are the best bet.

Nick

[STROKD]

Nah, it's only one 13.5" driver, and not quite 5k watts. More like half that.
But it also carry's an almost $4k price tag. Thats double of what I want to spend.
Its twin 13s, and 3800 RMS...

http://home.jlaudio.com/products_subs.php?prod_id=370

But its also 12K retail. :D

[Nick Chapman]

Its twin 13s, and 3800 RMS...

http://home.jlaudio.com/products_subs.php?prod_id=370

But its also 12K retail. :D

A little out of my price range, but Christmas is coming :D

[momo stallion]

2 PB13-Ultra's will be $3200 plus shipping. Total of about $3500. This blows my budgest out the window :(

id say just try the epik conquest and see what happens for half the price.

[Nick Chapman]

id say just try the epik conquest and see what happens for half the price.


At that size/weight, there won't be any "trying" is out. Shipping it back won't be an option @ $300 each way. If I buy it, I'm keeping it. Can't just go pick one up at the store, these are custom built to order. If I don't like it and decide to ship it back, I'll be out $600 :(

I'm trying to do as much research as I can about these units before I make an impulse buy. The Epik unit may be the perfect sub for me, and I may end up with it. Just wanna make sure first ;)

[KOZMO]

If I ordered a new sub for the house, and it had to be delivered by semi, unloaded by pallet jack, and needed at least 2 people to move it into position, would that be going overboard? :o


No, its not even over board if you gotta use a crane!!!

Pics?!?!

[momo stallion]

At that size/weight, there won't be any "trying" is out. Shipping it back won't be an option @ $300 each way. If I buy it, I'm keeping it. Can't just go pick one up at the store, these are custom built to order. If I don't like it and decide to ship it back, I'll be out $600 :(

I'm trying to do as much research as I can about these units before I make an impulse buy.


yea, i know what you mean. the problem is none of these brands are mainstream at all! no one carries it coupled with there arent any good stores anymore. hell i havent heard of most of these companies.

idk what to tell you, buying audio without hearing or video without seeing it is about the hardest thing to do. anyone local own that sub?

[Nick Chapman]

yea, i know what you mean. the problem is none of these brands are mainstream at all! no one carries it coupled with there arent any good stores anymore. hell i havent heard of most of these companies.

idk what to tell you, buying audio without hearing or video without seeing it is about the hardest thing to do. anyone local own that sub?


No one that I know of :(

Definately makes the decision harder without hearing it. Thats a lot of cash to drop sight unseen(or unheard).

[Nick Chapman]

Well, I finally made a decision. Mark Seaton is building my custom sub as soon as he gets back from CEDIA this weekend :D

I'm excited as hell! Should have it around the 26th of this month, but there's always delays. So we'll see.

Nick

[pgans]

Well, I finally made a decision. Mark Seaton is building my custom sub as soon as he gets back from CEDIA this weekend :D

I'm excited as hell! Should have it around the 26th of this month, but there's always delays. So we'll see.

Nick

Any specs or info about what he's going to make you? I'm just curious as to the whole process, I'm sure it's going to be amazing. Is it going to be powered in box or have a separate external amp?

[Nick Chapman]

Any specs or info about what he's going to make you? I'm just curious as to the whole process, I'm sure it's going to be amazing. Is it going to be powered in box or have a separate external amp?

Plans have changed a bit. Originally we were going to go with dual 18 inch drivers.

Here are the new specs...

*Dual, custom designed, 15" drivers with 3" diameter voice coils
*A sealed enlcosure built from very strong and rigid Baltic Birch Plywood
*Drivers on opposing faces for a completely inert, stablized cabinet that won't walk, shake or quiver.
*A robust, high efficiency, 1,000W ICEpower based amplifier with SMPS power supply.
*Isolated balanced input eliminating common ground loop problems
*Cabinet dimensions: 24.25" W x 17.5" D x 25.5" H


With room gain introduced, this combo should get down to about 8hz. But Iĺl be happy with 10-12hz in this large of a room, and the mid bass punch should knock your socks off :D The ICEpowered amp is one of the best in production. So Im excited about the possibilities of this unit.

Getting closer to delivery!!!! :D

[Mustangman_2000]

That sounds like you will have a robust package. You must have a very large room.

When you get it set up I'll be anxious to see a waterfall chart to see just how low you can actually go and with what authority.

8 hz is a very ambitious goal. SVS and HSU Research make the best subs on the planet and they can get to 10 with some authority. My PS212 can get down close to 20hz, but with no authority. It noses over at 25hz. Therefore, the maximum range for the sub is 25hz. Even though it can actually go lower.

15" can move prodigious amounts of air, but one of the biggest reason a lot of audiophiles don't use 15's is because of response and turn over.

I'll be interested in hearing a review of your system after you get it set up.

[Nick Chapman]

That sounds like you will have a robust package. You must have a very large room.

When you get it set up I'll be anxious to see a waterfall chart to see just how low you can actually go and with what authority.

8 hz is a very ambitious goal. SVS and HSU Research make the best subs on the planet and they can get to 10 with some authority. My PS212 can get down close to 20hz, but with no authority. It noses over at 25hz. Therefore, the maximum range for the sub is 25hz. Even though it can actually go lower.

15" can move prodigious amounts of air, but one of the biggest reason a lot of audiophiles don't use 15's is because of response and turn over.

I'll be interested in hearing a review of your system after you get it set up.


My latest combo(HSU HO and MBM) can get down pretty good, but not quite what I want :D

Room is 6000cuft

http://dfwstangs.net/coppermine/albums/userpics/10253/all_3_subs%7E0.jpg

[fordracing19]

I never could get that program to work. I wanted to graph my svs.

[Nick Chapman]

I never could get that program to work. I wanted to graph my svs.


What wouldn't work? I'm no expert, but maybe I can help?

[fordracing19]

What wouldn't work? I'm no expert, but maybe I can help?
Cant remember what I was having trouble with. It was a few months ago. To technical for me. :o