I'm interested in a long range rifle

[EW]

I am starting to look at Remington 700 variants. What other models should I look at?

[big pappa pump]

i have a savage model 110 that could do better if it wasnt for me. kimber also makes some nice stuff

[Chopped54]

http://www.surgeonrifles.com

[ScottsMach03]

FN bought the rights to winchester and are producing M70's again.

[JP135]

I've put a lot of rounds through a Remington 700p in .308 with a Leupold 4x12 Vari-x III. I would've put that rifle against anything on the planet in a tactical environment. Had to give it up when I retired, so I got myself a new 700 tactical in .308 that I expect to be every bit as good as my old 700p.

I wouldn't shy away from the Savage 10FP (or any of the variants). I was shopping for one of those when I found the 700 tactical.

I've had a lot of people tell me Super Sniper makes one hell of a good scope for a real nice price. It's what I plan on putting on the new 700 tactical.

[Chopped54]

I've had a lot of people tell me Super Sniper makes one hell of a good scope for a real nice price. It's what I plan on putting on the new 700 tactical.

Seen a lot of folks use this scope, and can score it for -$300

[Cmarsh93z]

Get a 700PSS in .300 Win Mag. Tons of aftermarket support, and they feel like a more solid rifle than the savage. Not saying anything bad about savage, because I have heard they shoot really well. But my PSS with its pet load will put some target rifles to shame, and thats with a stock adjusted trigger and a factory barrel. Put a nice Jewel trigger on there and it would be crazy. Gotta save for optics too, just as important

[EW]

I was reading about that scope on the SWFA.com site. 700 tacticals look nice. Lots of models to choose from. I'm thinking about .308 but don't know if there is a better performing/cheaper/more readily available round that is a better choice.

[Cmarsh93z]

I was reading about that scope on the SWFA.com site. 700 tacticals look nice. Lots of models to choose from. I'm thinking about .308 but don't know if there is a better performing/cheaper/more readily available round that is a better choice.

How far are you wanting to shoot? How often are you going to want to be shooting it? I am a big guy( 6'4 210), so I can handle a .300 win mag no problem. If you want to reach out there and touch someone, that is one of the best rounds out there that is common. (In case of an emergency situation, you want a common round that you could find easy).

[inline 6]

looking to reach out and touch someone?

[Cmarsh93z]

BTW, I buy ALL my optics from SWFA. VERY VERY nice people to deal with, and a huge selection

[EW]

http://www.surgeonrifles.com
heh, no. I'm sure they're awesome but I can't afford it.

[EW]

I'm just looking for reasonably affordable long range target shooting.

[Cmarsh93z]

.308 would be fine for up to 600 yards or so, 300 win mag is going to have better ballistics beyond that...600-1000 yards. Depends on what you consider "long range" :)

[EW]

It is on my list. I won't be shooting all that often I just want to learn how and be reasonably accurate.

[Yale]

Snipercentral.com offers an entry level tac rifle for around a grand. It's not fancy, but it's stupid functional. I'm not saying get that, but I'd trust working snipers (which the owner is) to put a good package together over some of the knob-gobblers that offer "custom" rifles out there. Also, the guy that owns Tac-Pro shooting center out here is semi-retired british SAS. There aren't many folks around here that are that knowledgeable. Be careful man, long range shit gets expensive! :D

[Falcongunner]

I won't be shooting all that often I just want to learn how and be reasonably accurate.

If you are just wanting to learn and be accurate get one of the Savage package rifles. You get a very accurate rifle, great trigger, and a cheap scope. No need to spend $800-1000 for a "better quality" rifle. Get a 308, 7mm-08 and spend your money on finding which quality ammo shoots well in your rifle. Seriously, don't over think this unless money is no object.
If you are wanting to modify the rifle in the future to be a super sniper rifle just like the real snipers use then get a Remington 700 and then be ready to spend some more money having it precision tuned and better optics.

In my opinion any deer rifle in good condition in the right caliber will meet your needs.

Wayne in FW

[Cmarsh93z]

If you are just wanting to learn and be accurate get one of the Savage package rifles. You get a very accurate rifle, great trigger, and a cheap scope. No need to spend $800-1000 for a "better quality" rifle. Get a 308, 7mm-08 and spend your money on finding which quality ammo shoots well in your rifle. Seriously, don't over think this unless money is no object.
If you are wanting to modify the rifle in the future to be a super sniper rifle just like the real snipers use then get a Remington 700 and then be ready to spend some more money having it precision tuned and better optics.

In my opinion any deer rifle in good condition in the right caliber will meet your needs.

Wayne in FW

Money is no object? My PSS wasn't that expensive of a rifle.....Id pay to have a better rifle, because its never cheaper to buy twice :) I think the PSS's were going for ~ 600-700 bucks. I have more in my optics than that

[AL P]

PEW .....PEW


http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=108213262

[Falcongunner]

Money is no object? My PSS wasn't that expensive of a rifle.....Id pay to have a better rifle, because its never cheaper to buy twice :) I think the PSS's were going for ~ 600-700 bucks. I have more in my optics than that

Better rifle is debatable, but I would give the Remington the edge. The PSS is just a regular Remington Sendaro with a special stock. I don't believe anything special is done to the action over the regular model. They are accurate, .5-1
MOA out of the box with some not doing that good like any production rifle. The newer Savage out of the box should do close to that. Unless you are shooting paper at extreme distances the difference is very small.

I don't think the PSS is available anymore from the factory and the prices for a used one seems high to me. Remington makes an SPS now that looks good and is priced similar to the Savage except it does not come with scope and mounts.

Either would make an excellent rifle. Unless you want to build a custom rifle in the future the Savage has some advantages. Good trigger and out of the box accuracy (but most newer rifles can say that now) and the ability to easily change calibers. Get a 300WM and decide it is too much for you, then get a new Savage barrel kit and bolt head and change to 308 in your living room. I own a few Savage rifles and I think the value vs. accuracy is very good. Just depends on ones goals. I think the OP would do fine with any about used bolt action hunting rifle, a decent scope, decent ammo, and lots of practice.

Wayne in FW

[Yale]

FN is making some great tactical rifles on beefed-up model 70 actions and barrels. They even make an ultra-short action in .223. Just something to consider.

[03trubluGT]

http://www.berettausa.com/product/rifles/series_page.cfm?currentseries=27

Sako has a pretty solid reputation as well.

I don't have one, but I've never heard anything negative about them.

[03trubluGT]

PEW .....PEW


http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=108213262


Nice gun, but the shooter needs practice. That gun should shoot half that.

[03trubluGT]

I have a Remington 700 PSS in .308 that I would not sell for twice what I have in it.

The Rem 700 has huge support, and you can take it to Shilen Rifles in Ennis to have a custom trigger job done.

I have about a >3lb pull on mine, and it's as crisp as a new dollar bill.

http://www.shilen.com/

[JESmith]

FN is making some great tactical rifles on beefed-up model 70 actions and barrels. They even make an ultra-short action in .223. Just something to consider.

CDDN Investments is currently selling FN barrelled actions for $450. This is the PBR precision rifle (Heavy fluted barrel and match trigger) They have them in .308 and may have a few in 300WSM.

Add a Houge or Bell and Carlson tactical stock for $200 and you have a tack driver for @ $700. You can also use most any Winchester M70 stock with a little work. FN has slightly modified the floor plate and magazine. An improvement in my book.

[ScottsMach03]

Just a ideal, find you a common rifle (270, 30-06, 25-06 etc) and just change up on the round. I have a 30-06 and shoot 150gr bullets; im going to load me some 125gr (3300fps) and shoot them this season. Just something to think about.

[srt-4_i_swear]

just get an SPS-tactical in .308 and be done with it. Leaves you plenty for glass. Mine is supporting a 4.5-14x40mm nikon that i got used. The factory accuracy is outstanding, it comes with an aftermarket stock nothing spectacular but it feels nice. With three different factory loads mine was shooting about an inch and thats with the stock 4ish pound trigger.

Certainly for getting into it i wouldn't say going anymore than .308 you are very effecting at 600 and capable at 1000 but not perfect.

[EW]

going to ft woth gun show on sun. get your discount ticket on.
http://www.ftworthgunshow.com/coupon.pdf

[Yale]

CDDN Investments is currently selling FN barrelled actions for $450. This is the PBR precision rifle (Heavy fluted barrel and match trigger) They have them in .308 and may have a few in 300WSM.

Add a Houge or Bell and Carlson tactical stock for $200 and you have a tack driver for @ $700. You can also use most any Winchester M70 stock with a little work. FN has slightly modified the floor plate and magazine. An improvement in my book.
I don't know why, but I've always been flat retarded over model 70's. The fact that they're the best yet pre-64 barrelled actions available direct from the manufacturer makes me smile like no other.

[5.0_CJ]

.308 would be fine for up to 600 yards or so, 300 win mag is going to have better ballistics beyond that...600-1000 yards. Depends on what you consider "long range" :)

I've been able to squeeze out 850-900 out of my .308 - it also depends on scope.

[Cmarsh93z]

I've been able to squeeze out 850-900 out of my .308 - it also depends on scope.


Im sure you could...im just saying the 300 Win Mag would have better ballistics at that range.

[Yale]

Im sure you could...im just saying the 300 Win Mag would have better ballistics at that range.

There are still lots of top-tier shooters pushing .308's at 1000yds.

[Cmarsh93z]

There are still lots of top-tier shooters pushing .308's at 1000yds.

I think you are missing my point. Go to a 1000 yard benchrest competition, and they won't be shooting alot of .308's. There are other rounds out there that do better at that range. Not dogging the .308 at all, it has its place for sure. I have shot my .22 10/22 @ 200 yards too, and didn't do as bad as you would think..but does that make it a good 200 yard round? :)

Chris

[Yale]

I think you are missing my point. Go to a 1000 yard benchrest competition, and they won't be shooting alot of .308's. There are other rounds out there that do better at that range. Not dogging the .308 at all, it has its place for sure. I have shot my .22 10/22 @ 200 yards too, and didn't do as bad as you would think..but does that make it a good 200 yard round? :)

Chris

LOL, fair enough. I wasn't trying to be contentious. 200yds? You must have had the nut behind the butpad tightened down just right! :D

[BP]

No love for McMillans? http://www.mcmfamily.com

[GT98SVO]

Can you say Lapua?

La-poo-ah.

[EW]

No love for McMillans? http://www.mcmfamily.com
probably great but too high for me to start out with

[BP]

probably great but too high for me to start out with

It's the closest thing you can get to an M40A3 (USMC sniper rifle) and yes they are very expensive. I've seen a Serbu 50 BMG for $1500 before at a local pawn shop if that's more up your alley :)

[03trubluGT]

It's the closest thing you can get to an M40A3 (USMC sniper rifle) and yes they are very expensive. I've seen a Serbu 50 BMG for $1500 before at a local pawn shop if that's more up your alley :)


If that Serbu 50 is what I'm thinking, I've shot one and they are crap.

[EW]

I think if I was going to look at the serbu, I would just get the Armalite AR50.
http://www.armalite.com/ItemForm.aspx?item=50A1B&Category=0406c9ff-539d-4b4c-ae1f-d045b91324c3%20&ret_url=Categories2.aspx?Category=0406c9ff-539d-4b4c-ae1f-d045b91324c3