Open Carry Texas maybe???

[sanddragger28]

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[Denny]

after i met a few scum bags with chl's i dont even agree with those anymore....i dont know what to think.....and by scumbags i mean thugs
You look like a thug, so I'm going to take your 2nd Ammendment away from you.

[That_Is_My_El_Camino]

I don't see that open carry would necessarily be a good thing. I like the current system.

[That_Is_My_El_Camino]

What do you mean by "thug," exactly? You can't get a CHL if you've been convicted of a felony, have been convicted of a Class A or Class B misdemeanor within the last 5 years, or are currently being charged with a felony or Class A or Class B misdemeanor, or have delinquent child support, student loan, or taxes.

BTW, of the 62,000 or so convictions in Texas in 2006, only 140 (0.2%) went to CHL-holders.

http://www.txdps.state.tx.us/administration/crime_records/chl/ConvictionRatesReport2006.pdf

[Pokulski-Blatz]

I don't see that open carry would necessarily be a good thing. I like the current system.


Only reason i want open carry is incase i have a "wardrobe malfunction" I dont have to worry about getting a ticket for exposing my CCW.

[HOOCBB]

Only reason i want open carry is incase i have a "wardrobe malfunction" I dont have to worry about getting a ticket for exposing my CCW.

the law says intentional exposure is not ok...if you are making a conscious effort to keep it concealed, you'll be fine, even if the wind exposes it.

[Falcongunner]

I like open carry a lot. While concealed carry is preferred under some circumstances I think you compromise yourself with the selection of smaller firearms, hard to access holsters, and even the clothing you wear. If I am trusted by the State of Texas (and others) to carry a firearm in public, why not let me carry the way I want.
I carry open in Colorado and New Mexico and it is wonderful to carry my full size Glock 21 or my CZ40b in a decent holster and to dress in tight jeans and a tuck in shirt. However, you don't do that in Denver or any large city as they will get you for disturbing the peace when some anti-gun nut starts screaming "OMG he has a gun". In Texas I have to wear oversized flowery shirts and one size to big pants to fit and hide my diminutive firearm. Like so many gun laws they are based on fears (of thugs?) and not reality.

It's great that we have laws that are changing but I don't see open carry coming to Texas or any state that does not already have it. Most of the states that do have open carry are permitted to do so only because it is not explicitly prohibited by their constitution.

Vote Libertarian!
Smaller Goverment, Lower Taxes, More Freedom


Wayne in FW

[Denny]

I can conceal a Glock 23 and prefer it over the big 'ol 21.

[Denny]

the law says intentional exposure is not ok...if you are making a conscious effort to keep it concealed, you'll be fine, even if the wind exposes it.
Do you have the exact wording on that?

[Falcongunner]

From the latest handbook.

Q: What does "concealed" mean?
A: "Concealed means that the weapon cannot be visible, and that it’s
Presence cannot be discernible through ordinary observation. It is a
Criminal offense for a license holder to carry a handgun in plain view,
or to intentionally fail to conceal the weapon.

Intentionally is the key word here. I think it comes under the disturbing the peace part of the penal codes. As you might expect it would be up to the officer on the scene to interpret "intentionally", then a judge to interpret "intentionally" if you were ticketed or arrested. There is also a "brandishing" part of the penal code that mostly applies to actually drawing your weapon out but to some un-informed officer being visible could be brandishing.

Maybe some one will post the actual penal code dealing with this.

Wayne in FW

[Fox466]

so your trying to say thugs have the right to carry? i guess...this is america. i just couldnt believe that these guys carry pistols. legally!!

You should get a holster so that you can open carry 'your' ignorance...

[Falcongunner]

I can conceal a Glock 23 and prefer it over the big 'ol 21.

With my shape I can't and I prefer a glock 21, CZ 40b, or a Dan Wesson Razorback 10mm. I shouldn't be restricted to a type of firearm just because of my physical dimensions . I have tried to carry the bigger firarms and there is just no way except in the winter. I am losing some weight now (22lbs!!) but have 20-30 lbs to go before I can conceal a full size firearm. It is a goal for me to try to carry a fullsize concealed but it would be so much easier even with the weight loss to carry open.

Wayne in FW

[Pokulski-Blatz]

ok so some of you guys are not understanding what im trying to say. I was amazed that this gangster/drug dealer with an H2 on 30's tattoos on his neck and on his face, gold teeth and a big ass chain around his neck had a chl. he must be a model citizen though.....since his record was clean....I hope he know how to use that AK



1. How do you know he had a CHL?

2. Just because he took the class dosent mean he got it.

3. How do you know he was a "gangster/drug dealer" ?

[blue302stang]

I have to open carry my weapon at work and i personally like it a lot better. It is nice that i don't have to worry about the clothes i am wearing, or anything like that. I don't dress like the normal guards at my job, so i do get some strange looks from time to time

[cooper93]

so your trying to say thugs have the right to carry? i guess...this is america. i just couldnt believe that these guys carry pistols. legally!!
Don't breed.

[5111]

Open carry could prevent some bad situations from developing if the bad guys saw/knew that you were armed. Might make them think twice about committing the crime while you are there. However, it could also make you a target since they know you are armed and they might have otherwise overlooked you.

[Denny]

ok so some of you guys are not understanding what im trying to say. I was amazed that this gangster/drug dealer with an H2 on 30's tattoos on his neck and on his face, gold teeth and a big ass chain around his neck had a chl. he must be a model citizen though.....since his record was clean....I hope he know how to use that AK
Do you realize the major minority that he's in?!?! Most of those type of people won't go through the hassel. I'm good with one or two slipping by, if it means we can carry as well. Besides, if he's caught committing a felony or even involved in organized crime, including gang-ralated issues, then not only is he in violation of the CHL, so turn his ass in!

[Pokulski-Blatz]

I have to open carry my weapon at work and i personally like it a lot better. It is nice that i don't have to worry about the clothes i am wearing, or anything like that. I don't dress like the normal guards at my job, so i do get some strange looks from time to time


where do you work?

[Pokulski-Blatz]

1. he showed it to me
2. he showed it to me
3. i know people who know him. and he doesnt have a job. maybe he living off the govt. i shouldnt assume he sold drugs. im sorry



just cause he dosent have a job dosent mean he is a thug, he may have won a large lawsuit, he may have a sugar mama. there are a ton of reasons he dosent work.

I dont have a job and i have a CHL, am i a thug?

now if you have proof of any of your accusations turn him in.

[That_Is_My_El_Camino]

Im not a snich so i wont be turning anybody in.Wow. You'd really rather let a thug walk around with a CHL he doesn't lawfully deserve than turn him in and become a snitch?

[A+]

Wow. You'd really rather let a thug walk around with a CHL he doesn't lawfully deserve than turn him in and become a snitch?
i guess man...i havent seen him in over a year.

[slow06]

Personally I wouldn't open carry right now, I'm still getting used to the idea of concealed carry. I have my CHL, just waiting for a smaller gun (LCP or a PX4 SC) that I can carry easily.

I could support open carry as long as it requires a CHL or similar license and training/education course. I don't think that is too much to ask of someone who would be allowed to carry a gun.

[Falcongunner]

I could support open carry as long as it requires a CHL or similar license and training/education course. I don't think that is too much to ask of someone who would be allowed to carry a gun.


It's this type of "reasonable thinking" that got us in the mess we have today with gun laws.

It is natural for us to be suspicious about others that are not like us, but that does not make it a reality. Yes I have seen others at CHL qualification that I had my doubts about but have yet to see them in the news. I think that we shouldn't have any requirements for carrying in any manner. That puts us on the same level as the real bad guys (which for the most part look a lot like you and I) that carry illegally. If you look at the basis of most gun laws they are fear based, race based, or they were purposely biased by the government to achieve a goal (think Firearms Act of 1934).

Wayne in FW

[David]

I dont really give a fuck. Odds are I wouldnt carry anyway openly if availible.

[Falcongunner]

I dont really give a fuck.


That's another type of thinking that got us into a gun law mess. You sound like a well equipped thug to me. :D

Wayne in FW

[David]

That's another type of thinking that got us into a gun law mess. You sound like a well equipped thug to me. :D

Wayne in FW
I believe some gun laws are necessary.

[Denny]

I believe some gun laws are necessary.
LIBERAL!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[David]

LIBERAL!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Obama/Biden 08

[Falcongunner]

Obama/Biden 08

Oh yeah, we will get some really necessary gun laws from them.

Wayne in FW

[slow06]

It's this type of "reasonable thinking" that got us in the mess we have today with gun laws.

It is natural for us to be suspicious about others that are not like us, but that does not make it a reality. Yes I have seen others at CHL qualification that I had my doubts about but have yet to see them in the news. I think that we shouldn't have any requirements for carrying in any manner. That puts us on the same level as the real bad guys (which for the most part look a lot like you and I) that carry illegally. If you look at the basis of most gun laws they are fear based, race based, or they were purposely biased by the government to achieve a goal (think Firearms Act of 1934).

Wayne in FW

Well Wayne,

Personally I like the fact that there are restrictions on who can carry. If you would like to allow convicted criminals to legally concealed carry then I think your definition of "reasonable" is a little sewed.

Now I understand, and mostly agree with, the slippery slope mentality in regards to gun laws, However, You can't throw reason out the door in the fight against ignorance.

I agree CC puts us on the same level as bad guys, but allowing them to carry legally helps us how?

Reasonable thinking has not gotten us where we are today. Our current situation is a result of ignorance and fear on the anti side, magnified by misuse of firearms by criminals, and lack of education on the pro side.

Reasonable is also a qualitative term that means different things to different people. Reasonable to me (i.e. background checks and training) is not reasonable to you (i.e. allow everyone to carry all the time) or to an anti gunner (i.e. gun locks on all guns, can only buy one gun a year, auto handguns are “Machine guns”, the phrase “Assault Riffle”). It is a point of perspective that can e argued but never solved.

[David]

Oh yeah, we will get some really necessary gun laws from them.

Wayne in FW
I certainly hope so.

[PooterWS6]

Open carry could prevent some bad situations from developing if the bad guys saw/knew that you were armed. Might make them think twice about committing the crime while you are there. However, it could also make you a target since they know you are armed and they might have otherwise overlooked you.

I tend the think that if im carrying in the open, it would escalate the situation quicker, just knowing that you are carrying(obviously). Might also give the "bad guys" a jump knowing ahead of time you are carrying, and where it is.
I prefer people not knowing what I am/am not/might be carrying. To me the element of suprise helps keep you safe in a situation where you might need it.


Besides, I dont need to be scaring dumbfucks that think im just some guy walking down the street with a gun, theyll recoil in fear and run away.... :rolleyes: (Liberals)

[Falcongunner]

David,
I am with you for the most part and was just pulling your chain a bit. However, when one really looks closely at gun laws they are never based in reality or are they very effective.

For instance: I have two neighbors that border my place in Colorado. Each has a felony conviction for pot possession back in the early 70's. They cannot pass a background check, possess a firearm or shoot with me on my private range. Are they a threat to society? What about the guy who made some stupid mistake that did not involve violence and did his time in prison?

I can't afford a machine gun although I have the skills and machinery to make one. I have a chl, FFL, and a clean record, and could get the permission to buy one, but yet the law say's I cannot make a new machine gun. What is necessary or reasonable in that?

Virtually all gun laws are based on fear that is in reality very hard to justify if looked at closely. It's just like all of the fuss over concealed carry in the past 15 years; it was all fear and no reality. Open carry is the same way. I would agree that reason is subjective but as a retired scientist (wildlife biologist) I look at facts and effects. I just don't see them with virtually any gun law I have ever taken the time to research. There may be a law in existence that is necessary as written but I doubt it

Wayne in FW

[Falcongunner]

I tend the think that if im carrying in the open, it would escalate the situation quicker, just knowing that you are carrying(obviously).

Maybe but it's just as likely that it would de-escalate the situation.

Might also give the "bad guys" a jump knowing ahead of time you are carrying, and where it is.

Do you hink the bad guys do not already have the jump on you if they are out do do you harm in the first place?

I prefer people not knowing what I am/am not/might be carrying. To me the element of suprise helps keep you safe in a situation where you might need it.

This is a strategy that one has to use depending on circumstances. Knowing that you were armed might prevent the situation entirely. It can go either way.

Besides, I dont need to be scaring dumbfucks that think im just some guy walking down the street with a gun, theyll recoil in fear and run away.... :rolleyes:

If David is trully a liberal I doubt he would run away in fear, but I have experienced this in open carry states.
(Liberals)

Wayne in FW

[FATHERFORD]

Although I personally wouldn't carry open, I am all for it.

[David]

Most all laws are baseless and ineffective. Only people who choose to abide by them do they work. But as a society we still create them in hopes to deter and of course punish those who decide to disobey them.

Gun laws are always gonna be the catch side of most legislation. Afterall, a gun is simply a tool of killing. I dont give a fuck if anyones gun has only punched paper. They're made to kill and kill efficiently. And for one like the way the current laws are setup. Only thing I would change would be the importation bans and the machine gun manufacture bans (however if it meant overturning FOPA of 1986 completely and going back to the old ways, the machine gun ban can stay).

As for felons and guns. I agree with them not legally being able to obtain them. I also agree with them not being able to vote etc. Personally, I would think most everything else that goes along with being a convicted felon is deterring enough. Whether you make a mistake because you're young and dumb, so be it. We're all aware of the consequences.

But once again, it all falls back to those crazy laws, some of which people may have their life ruined under petty circumstances. But they're there and have to deal with it.

[Falcongunner]

David,

You are now sounding like a right wing conservative! You are truly a versatile and blessed individual. ;)

I agree with you about FOPA but it is some of the stupid state laws that made it necessary.

Wayne in FW

[HOOCBB]

Do you have the exact wording on that?

I'll have to locate it when I get home tonight.

[HOOCBB]

got a little bored at work...

PC 46.035 UNLAWFUL CARRYING OF A HANDGUN BY LICENSE HOLDER
(a) A license holder commits an offense if the license holder carries a handgun on or about the license holder's person under the authority of Subchapter H, Chapter 411, Government Code, and intentionally fails to conceal the handgun.

http://www.txdps.state.tx.us/ftp/forms/ls-16.pdf

scroll down to page 45 for PC 46.035.

It has been explained to me that if you are making an effort to keep it concealed, then you may not be charged with this offense. It will really depend on responding officer's point of view on the law. If you are charged, it should be a fairly easy defense with a good lawyer.

[Brad88gt]

You still have the 23 I sold you? I want it back, give it back now!



I can conceal a Glock 23 and prefer it over the big 'ol 21.

[krazyh0rse]

i support open carry people would start less shit if they new everyone that wasnt was carrying a gun

but i do think they should still have to pass a background check and not have anything serious on there record

[That_Is_My_El_Camino]

i support open carry people would start less shit if they new everyone that wasnt was carrying a gunHuh?

[krazyh0rse]

think about pretend your some douche bag that want to fuck with people then you say theres a likely canidate

nope wait somebitch has a smith and wesson 500 tied to his leg better move on down the road. doesnt seem like rocket science savy?

[David]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0b6UJsfTAnA

[Denny]

You still have the 23 I sold you? I want it back, give it back now!
:cool:

[line-em-up]

I think "concealled" is better because it helps protect eveyone better because the criminals don't know who and who isn't carrying. If the guns were in the open, the criminals would know who they could pick on.

[krazyh0rse]

I think "concealled" is better because it helps protect eveyone better because the criminals don't know who and who isn't carrying. If the guns were in the open, the criminals would know who they could pick on.



its a possibility id be curious to see how things were in an area where open carry was leagal

[That_Is_My_El_Camino]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0b6UJsfTAnALOLz, it's called a holster, jackass (not you, but that guy); I can get to my 29 under my shirt and inside my pants/waistband almost as easily and quickly as I can a big revolver on my hip (also in a holster, BTW).I think "concealled" is better because it helps protect eveyone better because the criminals don't know who and who isn't carrying. If the guns were in the open, the criminals would know who they could pick on.The more I think about it, the better an idea I think it is, as long as they allow those of us that wish to continue to carry concealed to do so.

[krazyh0rse]

The more I think about it, the better an idea I think it is, as long as they allow those of us that wish to continue to carry concealed to do so.[/QUOTE]


this might be a good idea

[Falcongunner]

its a possibility id be curious to see how things were in an area where open carry was leagal


Just go over to New Mexico and strap your biggest hogleg on. They have been open carry for decades. There are places you cannot carry open such as any place that sells alcohol. I spend time in New Mexico each year and it is just wonder to carry open. There are some people that look at you though. So far no problem. Colorado is open carry but you need to be real careful there in the big cities (Denver) because they can or do restrict. In any event it works well in most states that I am aware of. There is no good reason not to open carry in Texas. Just think of the crap that has been said aginst concealed carry every time it has been brought up for a bill. Blood in the streets ect.. Resistance to open carry is just more fear (as with most gun laws).

Wayne in FW

[Pokulski-Blatz]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0b6UJsfTAnA


He has to be on crack .... dude scares the shit out of me.