Iran keeps asking for it!

[636ryder]

http://www.star-telegram.com/279/story/786760.html

"The West wanted us to stop," Ahmadinejad was quoted as telling the scholars. "We resisted, and now they want to resume negotiations."

Confusion clouded media reports about the actual number Ahmadinejad cited. One Iranian news agency quoted him as saying Iran had 6,000 centrifuges working, before taking the report off its Web site. Another said he referred to "hundreds and thousands" of centrifuges.

As its been stated before, we know he's just trying to buy time. However(I could be wrong) this is the first time I've seen him publicly state thats just what he's doing.

In theory, 6,000 centrifuges running continuously can produce enough weapons-grade uranium for one bomb in six months.

If there's good intel on this # I can assure somethin will go down right before or at the end of bush's term.

[big_tiger]

Didn't really know wtf you need centrifuges for, but I found a good link.

http://science.howstuffworks.com/uranium-centrifuge.htm

Think that would change the way people vote?

[Denny]

Diplomacy at its finest, I tell ya!!! :rolleyes: When are the Obama/Pelosi-led Liberals going to realize that there is no room for diplomacy with savages?

[Vertnut]

Diplomacy at its finest, I tell ya!!! :rolleyes: When are the Obama/Pelosi-led Liberals going to realize that there is no room for diplomacy with savages?
When? About the same time the mushroom cloud dissipates... :rolleyes:

With those two leading congress, we'll be under nuclear attack, while paying $7 a gallon for gas. :cool:

[Denny]

When? About the same time the mushroom cloud dissipates... :rolleyes:

With those two leading congress, we'll be under nuclear attack, while paying $7 a gallon for gas. :cool:
But every free-loaded will have health insurance!!!!!

[Vertnut]

But every free-loaded will have health insurance!!!!!
I hope it covers "radiation exposure". ;)

[Sgt Beavis]

Frankly I don't think Ahmadinejad wants to negotiate with the Bush administration but wants to wait for the next administration. They obviously want Obama but I think they MIGHT be willing to work with McCain. But then Ahmadinejad is a fucking nutcase. I think there is a good chance the Ayatollah will off his ass before the end of the year.

Remember, Ahmadinejad is not the end all be all top dude of Iran.

As should be obvious, Ahmadinejad is a liar to begin with. He is talking shit like Saddam did before we offed his ass. However, IMO, invading Iran is out of the question. Iran has a nationalistic pride despite Ahmadinejad's domestic policies. (he has run their economy into the ground) Many of the people would be fine with some sort of regime change, but ONLY at their own hands. All we need to do is keep funding and LOYALLY supporting an insurgency within IRAN.

[Mr Majestyk]

There is no need for a ground invasion of Iran. Simply take out their Achilles heel, i.e. their water supplies, and they'll see the light very quickly. Nationalism will quickly fade as the once proud Iranian populace begins to die of thirst.

[AL P]

Diplomacy at its finest, I tell ya!!! :rolleyes: When are the Obama/Pelosi-led Liberals going to realize that there is no room for diplomacy with savages?

About ten seconds after they realize a couple hundred thousand people have been vaporized.

[mikeb]

However, IMO, invading Iran is out of the question. Iran has a nationalistic pride despite Ahmadinejad's domestic policies. (he has run their economy into the ground) Many of the people would be fine with some sort of regime change, but ONLY at their own hands. All we need to do is keep funding and LOYALLY supporting an insurgency within IRAN.

My guess is that there are boots (sandals?) on the ground over there right now working toward doing just that. I also agree that an invasion of iran is a bad idea.

There is no need for a ground invasion of Iran. Simply take our their Achilles heel, i.e. their water supplies, and they'll see the light very quickly. Nationalism will quickly fade as the once proud Iranian populace begins to die of thirst.


and i'll also bet that there are people looking at all sorts of plans along this angle; disrupt food/water/power/economy to begin a push for regime change.

Like others I also believe that if anything is going to happen it'll happen before bush walks.

[AL P]

There is no need for a ground invasion of Iran. Simply take our their Achilles heel, i.e. their water supplies, and they'll see the light very quickly. Nationalism will quickly fade as the once proud Iranian populace begins to die of thirst.

I've said this all along. No reason to occupy Iran, just bomb it. Their air force is a joke. They'll send some republican guard and their civilian suicide bomb army across the border into Iraq. Just make sure they have a good reception waiting.

[Sgt Beavis]

I've said this all along. No reason to occupy Iran, just bomb it. Their air force is a joke. They'll send some republican guard and their civilian suicide bomb army across the border into Iraq. Just make sure they have a good reception waiting.


Based on known facts, I would have to agree.

However there have been intelligence reports that they are covertly upgrading to SU-30's. Deliveries supposedly started back at the end of 2007. However this intelligence was from Israel. I consider Israeli intelligence on Iran to be suspect. It is in Israel's interests to goad us into attacking Iran.

I'm more concerned with their AA and anti ship abilities. They have a pretty large amount of Silkworms. Those COULD be used to take out a carrier IF they overwhelm the defense systems. They could also end all oil transport in the Gulf if they wanted to. Just the threat would stop shipping.

Iran's AA ordinance is pretty significant but we all know they would have a lot of difficulty using it against the B2 and F117. Some of that AA ordinance is pretty old too so they would have difficulty against the ECM tactics from more advanced craft like the Super Hornet or even the F-15E.

[AL P]

Based on known facts, I would have to agree.

However there have been intelligence reports that they are covertly upgrading to SU-30's. Deliveries supposedly started back at the end of 2007. However this intelligence was from Israel. I consider Israeli intelligence on Iran to be suspect. It is in Israel's interests to goad us into attacking Iran.

I'm more concerned with their AA and anti ship abilities. They have a pretty large amount of Silkworms. Those COULD be used to take out a carrier IF they overwhelm the defense systems. They could also end all oil transport in the Gulf if they wanted to. Just the threat would stop shipping.

Iran's AA ordinance is pretty significant but we all know they would have a lot of difficulty using it against the B2 and F117. Some of that AA ordinance is pretty old too so they would have difficulty against the ECM tactics from more advanced craft like the Super Hornet or even the F-15E.

Meh, the threat of ending shipping didn't work for them the last time. Some of their stuff looks good on paper, that is about it.

[cannonball996]

the US does not have the money or the man power to do anything about Iran, other then a few air strikes. I would play hard ball on this with NATO and Europe, after all any Iranian strike is going to have more of an impact on Europe then the US. let Europe pay the tab on this one (their money is stronger anyway) or if they dont want to pay, they can send troops.

If not then we would have to strike some sort of deal with China, because there is no one else

[AL P]

the US does not have the money or the man power to do anything about Iran, other then a few air strikes. I would play hard ball on this with NATO and Europe, after all any Iranian strike is going to have more of an impact on Europe then the US. let Europe pay the tab on this one (their money is stronger anyway) or if they dont want to pay, they can send troops.

If not then we would have to strike some sort of deal with China, because there is no one else

The only one talking about doing anything other than airstrikes are the idiots like Obama who want to talk about manpower and how we have committed everything to Iraq in order to make it a political issue. That's a lot of smokescreen bullshit.

[cannonball996]

to beat Iran you are going to need a million men, and 2 trillion dollors.

[bronco71]

No need to beat them or occupy them, just take away their nuclear capabilities ;)

[FreightTrain]

to beat Iran you are going to need a million men, and 2 trillion dollors.

Two well placed nuclear bombs would love to have a debate with you.

[AL P]

to beat Iran you are going to need a million men, and 2 trillion dollors.

You got that right, it only took 100,000 to invade and occupy Iraq. We'll need ten times as many!! And free balloons on Tuesday.

[Big Thumper]

You got that right, it only took 100,000 to invade and occupy Iraq. We'll need ten times as many!! And free balloons on Tuesday.


lmao

[cannonball996]

You got that right, it only took 100,000 to invade and occupy Iraq. We'll need ten times as many!! And free balloons on Tuesday.

actually I believe we used more then 500,000 in Iraq, when you calculate the entire international force, and supporting man power. and this was a contained war (only faught with in the borders of one country), we know Iran opperates outside their borders, so this war would be faught through out the middle east.

we could just do what Clinton did, and everytime one of our enemies build a bomb we blow it up with an air strike. but that solves nothing

[Geor!]

Frankly I don't think Ahmadinejad wants to negotiate with the Bush administration but wants to wait for the next administration. They obviously want Obama but I think they MIGHT be willing to work with McCain. But then Ahmadinejad is a fucking nutcase. I think there is a good chance the Ayatollah will off his ass before the end of the year.

Remember, Ahmadinejad is not the end all be all top dude of Iran.

As should be obvious, Ahmadinejad is a liar to begin with. He is talking shit like Saddam did before we offed his ass. However, IMO, invading Iran is out of the question. Iran has a nationalistic pride despite Ahmadinejad's domestic policies. (he has run their economy into the ground) Many of the people would be fine with some sort of regime change, but ONLY at their own hands. All we need to do is keep funding and LOYALLY supporting an insurgency within IRAN.
Would have been done by now if it was going to happen.

[Casper]

A Russian airbase in a strategic position could change the whole scenario.

Fortunately they are historical rivals, with Iran having a warm water port into the Indian.

[01WhiteCobra]

Ahmadinejad and Bush... cage match.

[AL P]

actually I believe we used more then 500,000 in Iraq, when you calculate the entire international force, and supporting man power. and this was a contained war (only faught with in the borders of one country), we know Iran opperates outside their borders, so this war would be faught through out the middle east.

we could just do what Clinton did, and everytime one of our enemies build a bomb we blow it up with an air strike. but that solves nothing

And we all know none of those people already in place could help with a war in Iran. We'd obviously have to have duplicate efforts.

Really, no one has said anything about invading Iran on foot. No one. Except for the politicians who want to scare the sheep.

[AL P]

Ahmadinejad and Bush... cage match.

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[cannonball996]

we cant divert all the troops from Iraq to Iran, then we would loose Iraq

if we dont get rid of the problem its going to bite us in the ass! sure airstrikes are good, but they can only do so much, sooner or later they will have a bomb

[Vertnut]

Ahmadinejad and Bush... cage match.
"Dubya" would whup his ass like he owed him money... :cool:

[Big Thumper]

we cant divert all the troops from Iraq to Iran, then we would loose Iraq

if we dont get rid of the problem its going to bite us in the ass! sure airstrikes are good, but they can only do so much, sooner or later they will have a bomb

They'll have a bomb after Obama gets elected and he talks with them. Ahmadinejad will tell Obama what he wants to hear and all will be well....according to Obama. Meanwhile, Iran is stock-piling weapons.

The future looks bright for the US.

[AL P]

They'll have a bomb after Obama gets elected and he talks with them. Ahmadinejad will tell Obama what he wants to hear and all will be well....according to Obama. Meanwhile, Iran is stock-piling weapons.

The future looks bright for the US.

Are you talking about Jimmy Carter? Wait a second damn it!!

[line-em-up]

Ahmadinejad and Bush... cage match.

Where is Comedy Central's Celebrity Death Match when you need it?

[Paladin]

When? About the same time the mushroom cloud dissipates... :rolleyes:

With those two leading congress, we'll be under nuclear attack, while paying $7 a gallon for gas. :cool:

And when another terrorist attack happens the Dems will blame Bush and his policies for making the peace loving Muslims, Iranians and all the terrorists hate us.

It will be everyone's fault but the Dems, that is for sure.

[Paladin]

to beat Iran you are going to need a million men, and 2 trillion dollors.

Didn't people say that about Iraq in the first gulf war?

[Paladin]

we cant divert all the troops from Iraq to Iran, then we would loose Iraq

if we dont get rid of the problem its going to bite us in the ass! sure airstrikes are good, but they can only do so much, sooner or later they will have a bomb

Who said anything about having soldiers on the ground in Iran? If we had not had to kill/capture Saddam we would not have stayed in Iraq this time. We would have repeated the forst gulf war IMO.

You have some serious preconcieved absolutes that limit your ability to see the big picture.

I have a feeling you hate Bush and you don't think the Iraq war is part of the global War on Terror, am I right?

[Paladin]

Are you talking about Jimmy Carter? Wait a second damn it!!

LOL, they didn't need a nuclear bomb to hold the US hostage and bring us to our knees when Carter was in office. :cool:

[cannonball996]

you cant change a regime with out boots on the ground.

as for the Iraq war in 2003, that was only suppose to cost 250 billion, we are at 750 billion, and congress in in the processes of aproving another 180 billion, that will get us through this year.

[Mr Majestyk]

LOL, they didn't need a nuclear bomb to hold the US hostage and bring us to our knees when Carter was in office. :cool:

That's because Carter was a spineless wimp. Note that the election of Ronald Reagan changed the Iranian, and U.S., mindset rather quickly :D

[636ryder]

Cannon, your responses leave you wide open to question your knowledge of our current capabilites in the region. An attack on Iran wouldn't be very taxing for the US. Then again, nothing will happen till some #'s get confirmed, this retard spouting off isn't the greatest source for his countries accomplishments.

[Big Thumper]

That's because Carter was a spineless wimp. Note that the election of Ronald Reagan changed the the Iranian, and U.S. mindset, rather quickly :D


We're about to repeat history.

[Paladin]

you cant change a regime with out boots on the ground.

as for the Iraq war in 2003, that was only suppose to cost 250 billion, we are at 750 billion, and congress in in the processes of aproving another 180 billion, that will get us through this year.

Do you remember the first Iraq War, commonly referrred to as the Gulf War in the late 80's?

[Denny]

Jeez...

We can take care of Iraq with the amount of troops we have now IF they're allowed to do what they need to.

Iran is two button pushes away from silence.

Million troops... LMFAO!! 500,000 troops... STILL LMFAO!!!

[Denny]

you cant change a regime with out boots on the ground.

as for the Iraq war in 2003, that was only suppose to cost 250 billion, we are at 750 billion, and congress in in the processes of aproving another 180 billion, that will get us through this year.
You're a damned fool. Boots on this ground has had more change in this region than the last 6,000 years. What the fuck are you smoking?!?!

The only reason it is costing so much is because once we're here, we have to sit on our hands until the Libs get done with their whine-fest in Washington. This war would have been over LONG ago, given the right management. Dolt.

[black01gt]

This war would have been over LONG ago, given the right management. Dolt.
Surely you're not suggesting that Rummy is a fuck up. :D

[Denny]

Surely you're not suggesting that Rummy is a fuck up. :D
I have been accused of being biased, but NO ONE can deny that Rummy ran this operation like shit (I was here for that one too). I also blame Bush for allowing it to go on for as long as it did. Gates manages better, obviously. I think we'd be in a different situation if Gates was here from day one. After everything I've experienced over here, no one can ever convince me that we didn't belong out here, though.

[black01gt]

I have been accused of being biased, but NO ONE can deny that Rummy ran this operation like shit (I was here for that one too). I also blame Bush for allowing it to go on for as long as it did. Gates manages better, obviously. I think we'd be in a different situation if Gates was here from day one. After everything I've experienced over here, no one can ever convince me that we didn't belong out here, though.
I agree. It sure would have been nice to have been done and home 2/3 yrs ago. And have moved on to to snatching every hair out of OBL's chin. I know I get on a point and whip to death, but who can deny that we have some unsettled serious business with that fellow?

What time is it there?

[Paladin]

Surely you're not suggesting that Rummy is a fuck up. :D

How come you can see it in "Rummy" and Bush but not RP? I wonder.... :D

[BP]

Put boots on the ground in Iran and we'll be very close to starting WW3, only this time China and Russia will be on the other team. Not really something I'm looking forward to.

[black01gt]

How come you can see it in "Rummy" and Bush but not RP? I wonder.... :D
So you admit that this administration has been a huge mistake. I'm tempted to say there is hope for you yet but...nah.

[cannonball996]

You're a damned fool. Boots on this ground has had more change in this region than the last 6,000 years. What the fuck are you smoking?!?!

The only reason it is costing so much is because once we're here, we have to sit on our hands until the Libs get done with their whine-fest in Washington. This war would have been over LONG ago, given the right management. Dolt.


explain to me how you change a regime and take over a country with out boots on the ground...
bombing Iran is not going to stop them, it might slow them down, but in the long run the world is not any safer as long as that regime is in power.

[Paladin]

So you admit that this administration has been a huge mistake. I'm tempted to say there is hope for you yet but...nah.

Nope, they have made mistakes, but huge mistakes no. The failure to capture OBL and the open borders are his biggest mistakes, but he is in the same boat as Clinton on both of those and every other President in modern history on the borders, so I guess you can blame Bush only if you want, but your bias fronts you for being ignorant if you do that.

You keep forgetting you have the Bush hating goggles on and it clouds your judgment so badly you look silly. Hell, maybe the combination of your goggles and the sick little fascination you have for RP is why you come across so poorly. LOL

[black01gt]

Nope, they have made mistakes, but huge mistakes no. The failure to capture OBL and the open borders are his biggest mistakes, but he is in the same boat as Clinton on both of those and every other President in modern history on the borders, so I guess you can blame Bush only if you want, but your bias fronts you for being ignorant if you do that.

You keep forgetting you have the Bush hating goggles on and it clouds your judgment so badly you look silly. Hell, maybe the combination of your goggles and the sick little fascination you have for RP is why you come across so poorly. LOL
I would gladly forego any blame of anybody if some one would would put their personal agendas aside and take care of business with leadership for the benefit of the American Citizen.

"...sick little fascination for RP..." You do live in a simple little world don't you? Oh and...LOL

[Paladin]

I would gladly forego any blame of anybody if some one would would put their personal agendas aside and take care of business with leadership for the benefit of the American Citizen.

"...sick little fascination for RP..." You do live in a simple little world don't you? Oh and...LOL

The guy who has such deep love for RP claims I live in a simple little world? Man, I have really hit rock bottom when someone like you thinks they can go there with me. LOL

[Casper]

explain to me how you change a regime and take over a country with out boots on the ground...
bombing Iran is not going to stop them, it might slow them down, but in the long run the world is not any safer as long as that regime is in power.

Latvia
Lithuania
Estonia
Kazakhstan
Azerbaijan
Georgia
South Africa
Poland
Czech Republic
Slovakia

No bombs required for any of these.

[cannonball996]

Latvia
Lithuania
Estonia
Kazakhstan
Azerbaijan
Georgia
South Africa
Poland
Czech Republic
Slovakia

No bombs required for any of these.

none of those countries posed the threat that Iran does

[Casper]

none of those countries posed the threat that Iran does

hahahaha!

thumbing our nose at russia, getting some of these countries into NATO, and some eventually into the EU, and then putting an SDI base in one is pretty much wading into the shit.

And SA had a nice little nuclear program going with Israel for awhile. Some of that technology came from the US. Some ended up in Brazil.

And how about Libya? No regime change, instead the regime folded to stay in power. You don't think Libya's program was a danger?

[Vertnut]

none of those countries posed the threat that Iran does
According to Obama, Iran poses no "real" threat... :cool:

[Denny]

Latvia
Lithuania
Estonia
Kazakhstan
Azerbaijan
Georgia
South Africa
Poland
Czech Republic
Slovakia

No bombs required for any of these.
Kosovo
Bosnia
Turkmanistan(sp)

Anyway, boots on the ground can RID the regime. Boots on the ground can rebuild, train, render aid, support local effort, give hope, etc...

Cannonball, do you think a soldier/marine/sailor/airman's only function in life is to kill the enemy? Son, you're sadly mistaken. They change lives. Not just for Americans either. Sounds like you've got a lot of studying to do.

And how is it that bombs can't stop a threat (or regime as you're limited to)? Do you know what a bomb does?

[Mr Majestyk]

According to Obama/Ahmedijan, Iran poses no "real" threat... :cool:

Fixt :D

[Stang Seller]

Frankly I don't think Ahmadinejad wants to negotiate with the Bush administration but wants to wait for the next administration. They obviously want Obama but I think they MIGHT be willing to work with McCain. But then Ahmadinejad is a fucking nutcase. I think there is a good chance the Ayatollah will off his ass before the end of the year.

Remember, Ahmadinejad is not the end all be all top dude of Iran.

As should be obvious, Ahmadinejad is a liar to begin with. He is talking shit like Saddam did before we offed his ass. However, IMO, invading Iran is out of the question. Iran has a nationalistic pride despite Ahmadinejad's domestic policies. (he has run their economy into the ground) Many of the people would be fine with some sort of regime change, but ONLY at their own hands. All we need to do is keep funding and LOYALLY supporting an insurgency within IRAN.


Excellent response. The problem with the US is LOYALLY supporting anyone, that word does not exist in American policies unless you're AIPAC and Israel.
Ahmadinejad is suffering from delusions of grandeur, he's a typical Khomeini loving Koran thumping nutcase. An extremely large portion of our populace is angry with his and the "Supreme" leader's domestic policies. The way I see it, the ayatollah is using Mahmoud as a puppet to further his ideals while having someone to take the heat. Mahmoud is doing a spectacular job of taking the blame while the real leader is sitting back banging temporary wives. I too believe that the regime's upper echelon wants to talk to Obama rather than Bush or McBush.

There is no need for a ground invasion of Iran. Simply take out their Achilles heel, i.e. their water supplies, and they'll see the light very quickly. Nationalism will quickly fade as the once proud Iranian populace begins to die of thirst.

Where did you learn your military planning? You should be a general, you've got it all figured out! And when Iran takes out the world's oil supply and you cant pump up and your already imploding economy crumbles while China points and laughs and calls in your debts...... what then??? Very well thought out idea, General Majestyk. Palestinians have no water, they're still fighting 60 years later.

My guess is that there are boots (sandals?) on the ground over there right now working toward doing just that. I also agree that an invasion of iran is a bad idea.



and i'll also bet that there are people looking at all sorts of plans along this angle; disrupt food/water/power/economy to begin a push for regime change.

Like others I also believe that if anything is going to happen it'll happen before bush walks.

Unfortunately, hitting this Regime with military strength is a disaster waiting to happen. It will only bring back Iranian resentment for Americans, and make the populace content with the regime for a longer time because they'll be more focused on the bad things America has done to them.

Folks, let's not forget that Afghanistan IS an Iranian nation. They speak nearly the same language and are of the same ethnicity. Iraq shares a religious majority with Iran, and also has a massive Kurdish population who are also considered Iranian people. Azerbaijan is also historically Iranian, and Iran will invade and take over which will be a huge strategic win.
Potentially, this could drip down to tensions in other historically Iranian peoples, such as the Uzbeks and Kazakh. Every Kazakh I have ever spoken with has spoken highly of Iran and said they identified more with us and considered themselves Iranian people. This, even while their primary language was Russian! This is only an opinion though but it is a possiblility.

It's not as simple as simply striking Iran within it's borders and keeping the problems totally within Iran's borders. Iranian influence goes beyond religion and terrorist funding. Remember, we've been there for 6000 years. We've touched every area from the Mediterranean to northern India. The fallout would be much worse for American interests than they would for Iranian interests.
SS

[Denny]

Bomb Bomb Bomb... Bomb Bomb Iran

Just delaying the inevitable. They don't want anything other than bring terror. Why wait and discuss things with ANYONE? Just take it in your own hands and diffuse the situation. We all know that's not what they want, though.

They deserve everything they're going to get.

[Vertnut]

In a nutshell, deliberately or not, you made a perfect argument for drilling here and now. At least we agree on that! Once we free ourselves from middle eastern oil, the whole region can go to hell, as far as I'm concerned. Let them try to eat and drink that shit...

[Denny]

In a nutshell, deliberately or not, you made a perfect argument for drilling here and now. At least we agree on that! Once we free ourselves from middle eastern oil, the whole region can go to hell, as far as I'm concerned. Let them try to eat and drink that shit...
They will try.

[black01gt]

It's not as simple as simply striking Iran within it's borders and keeping the problems totally within Iran's borders. Iranian influence goes beyond religion and terrorist funding. Remember, we've been there for 6000 years. We've touched every area from the Mediterranean to northern India. The fallout would be much worse for American interests than they would for Iranian interests.
SS
But what if we took politics and political correctness out of the picture and just went ahead and used everything we've got? ;) Just for the sake of our own survival....

[Vertnut]

They will try.
They may not have a choice! Either that or burnt fish-heads and fried rice from China, because that's who will trading with them...

[Stang Seller]

In a nutshell, deliberately or not, you made a perfect argument for drilling here and now. At least we agree on that! Once we free ourselves from middle eastern oil, the whole region can go to hell, as far as I'm concerned. Let them try to eat and drink that shit...

You really fall prey to these "it's just as easy as that, for only 16 payments of $17.99 you too can make juice from simple household waste" scams. Offshore drilling is NOT going to solve your problems, but that's a whole 'nother argument that I'll leave for the approprate thread. Just dont forget that the rest of the world still need middle eastern oil and would gladly buy what you don't.
SS

[Denny]

But what if we took politics and political correctness out of the picture and just went ahead and used everything we've got? ;) Just for the sake of our own survival....
Russia and China MIGHT bitch for a minute, but in the long run, they'll be forgotten.

[Stang Seller]

But what if we took politics and political correctness out of the picture and just went ahead and used everything we've got? ;) Just for the sake of our own survival....

America would absolutely decimate any nation in the world, they have the most awesome military to ever grace this earth. But we both know that would never happen, not just because of the libs at home but because the rest of the world would go ape shit. Nobody can go toe to toe with the US.
SS

[Denny]

America would absolutely decimate any nation in the world, they have the most awesome military to ever grace this earth. But we both know that would never happen, not just because of the libs at home but because the rest of the world would go ape shit. Nobody can go toe to toe with the US.
SS
The tiger behind the cage can only be poked so many times...

[Vertnut]

You really fall prey to these "it's just as easy as that, for only 16 payments of $17.99 you too can make juice from simple household waste" scams. Offshore drilling is NOT going to solve your problems, but that's a whole 'nother argument that I'll leave for the approprate thread. Just dont forget that the rest of the world still need middle eastern oil and would gladly buy what you don't.
SS
You of all people, know SHIT about offshore drilling. :cool: There's a lot more drilling to be done here than just offshore. Heard of ANWR? You hope and wish Iran is this "all powerful" nation, but it's not. Piss on the rest of the world. I'm tired of feeding them, too. You don't know me, so save the "scams" I fall for. Where does that come from? An Iranian Canuck doesn't even have business in "our" political forum...What makes you an authority on ANYTHING? :confused:

[sc281_99-0135]

You really fall prey to these "it's just as easy as that, for only 16 payments of $17.99 you too can make juice from simple household waste" scams. Offshore drilling is NOT going to solve your problems, but that's a whole 'nother argument that I'll leave for the approprate thread. Just dont forget that the rest of the world still need middle eastern oil and would gladly buy what you don't.
SS


let em buy what we dont.

offshore drilling and anwr are not magic bullets. they are a means to an end. we want energy independence,
but we are years away from fuels oil and coal shale, clean coal. and renewable resources like sugarcane/switchgrass ethanol, wind, solar, nuclear, tide, and burning green peace/peta members for fuel to support our energy needs.

most of oil is speculation as worldwide demand has actually dropped despite china and india. why? cause we are the only real buyer of it. if we are actually trying to support our own needs demand will go down further thus oil will be at a reasonable price because futures contracts will be bearish instead of bullish. giving us time to invest in the aforementioned resources which we have all in abundance here in the us

[Vertnut]

let em buy what we dont.

offshore drilling and anwr are not magic bullets. they are a means to an end. we want energy independence,
but we are years away from fuels oil and coal shale, clean coal. and renewable resources like sugarcane/switchgrass ethanol, wind, solar, nuclear, tide, and burning green peace/peta members for fuel to support our energy needs.

most of oil is speculation as worldwide demand has actually dropped despite china and india. why? cause we are the only real buyer of it. if we are actually trying to support our own needs demand will go down further thus oil will be at a reasonable price because futures contracts will be bearish instead of bullish. giving us time to invest in the aforementioned resources which we have all in abundance here in the us
Won't it be a great day when we can tell the middle east to kiss our star-spangled ass? The ONLY thing they have on us is oil. When that dependency is gone, that dust-bowl is gone with it.

[Denny]

Won't it be a great day when we can tell the middle east to kiss our star-spangled ass? The ONLY thing they have on us is oil. When that dependency is gone, that dust-bowl is gone with it.
I'm so fucking tired of this dust!!!

[Stang Seller]

You of all people, know SHIT about offshore drilling. :cool: There's a lot more drilling to be done here than just offshore. Heard of ANWR? You hope and wish Iran is this "all powerful" nation, but it's not. Piss on the rest of the world. I'm tired of feeding them, too. You don't know me, so save the "scams" I fall for. Where does that come from? An Iranian Canuck doesn't even have business in "our" political forum...What makes you an authority on ANYTHING? :confused:

I never once stated that I was an authority, nor did I say that Iran is an all powerful nation. What on earth are you going on about? Get your panties out of a bunch and discuss the subject matter. When all else fails, pull the "you don't even belong here waa waa" :rolleyes: I stated a fact, it is not a solution to your current problems. Do you think that you can instantly reap the benefits of off shore drilling and ANWR (which I admit I know nothing about) which will cause Iran to suddenly not be able to sell oil thus making it implode and unable to create revenue? Don't be an idiot.
What I mean about the scams you fall for are the typical "this is our new solution" crap you're fed. There are so many instances where sheeple are told something and they eat it up. You never once mentioned offshore drilling before it became a hot topic. If you were REALLY that smart and had any idea about anything oil.... you would have been advocating this years ago. Not jumping on the bandwagon because it's what everyone else is talking about. Hearing about something and then reading up on wikipedia does not make one an expert. Don't take it personal, I'm not trying to insult you but it's a completely redundant point you made. Offshore drilling and ANWR has nothing to do with the issue at hand (in the short run), that is being being discussed here and now in this thread.

let em buy what we dont.

offshore drilling and anwr are not magic bullets. they are a means to an end. we want energy independence,
but we are years away from fuels oil and coal shale, clean coal. and renewable resources like sugarcane/switchgrass ethanol, wind, solar, nuclear, tide, and burning green peace/peta members for fuel to support our energy needs.

most of oil is speculation as worldwide demand has actually dropped despite china and india. why? cause we are the only real buyer of it. if we are actually trying to support our own needs demand will go down further thus oil will be at a reasonable price because futures contracts will be bearish instead of bullish. giving us time to invest in the aforementioned resources which we have all in abundance here in the us

This is a more reasonable response, I understand it is a means to an end and it will take time. This thread is in regards to Iran and the current crisis and ongoing nuclear issue. Drilling offshore will have NO impact in the foreseeable future! I see a huge potential in the future for switchgrass ethanol and bio-ethanol but again this is years away and better reserved for another topic. This will not affect the relations and issue with Iran today.
SS

[Vertnut]

I never once stated that I was an authority, nor did I say that Iran is an all powerful nation. What on earth are you going on about? Get your panties out of a bunch and discuss the subject matter. When all else fails, pull the "you don't even belong here waa waa" :rolleyes: I stated a fact, it is not a solution to your current problems. Do you think that you can instantly reap the benefits of off shore drilling and ANWR (which I admit I know nothing about) which will cause Iran to suddenly not be able to sell oil thus making it implode and unable to create revenue? Don't be an idiot.
What I mean about the scams you fall for are the typical "this is our new solution" crap you're fed. There are so many instances where sheeple are told something and they eat it up. You never once mentioned offshore drilling before it became a hot topic. If you were REALLY that smart and had any idea about anything oil.... you would have been advocating this years ago. Not jumping on the bandwagon because it's what everyone else is talking about. Hearing about something and then reading up on wikipedia does not make one an expert. Don't take it personal, I'm not trying to insult you but it's a completely redundant point you made. Offshore drilling and ANWR has nothing to do with the issue at hand (in the short run), that is being being discussed here and now in this thread.



This is a more reasonable response, I understand it is a means to an end and it will take time. This thread is in regards to Iran and the current crisis and ongoing nuclear issue. Drilling offshore will have NO impact in the foreseeable future! I see a huge potential in the future for switchgrass ethanol and bio-ethanol but again this is years away and better reserved for another topic. This will not affect the relations and issue with Iran today.
SS
I take things personally when folks, especially you of all people, make an assumption about me. I'm not some 20-year-old dumbass with his thumb stuck up his ass. I know you're used to dealing with those boys, but I ain't one. I've been around long enough to have voted AGAINST Jimmy Carter, when he bowed down to your shitty little homeland, and I do still hold great disdain for that entire scenario. You're right about one thing...you're no authority on drilling anywhere. You have eaten from the liberal trough too many times, when it comes to questioning "short-term" or "long-term" effects of us drilling. In shallow waters, many people that actually KNOW, say we can produce in less than a year. Deep waters, maybe 5-6 years. So are we not going to need oil in 5 years? That whole argument is a cop-out. You have still stated nothing "factual" about drilling.

By the way...Ethanol is already on the way out. When we drill, oil will be cheap enough on it's own, that corn will be grown to eat ONLY, as it should be now.

[Denny]

I take things personally when folks, especially you of all people, make an assumption about me. I'm not some 20-year-old dumbass with his thumb stuck up his ass. I know you're used to dealing with those boys, but I ain't one. I've been around long enough to have voted AGAINST Jimmy Carter, when he bowed down to your shitty little homeland, and I do still hold great disdain for that entire scenario. You're right about one thing...you're no authority on drilling anywhere. You have eaten from the liberal trough too many times, when it comes to questioning "short-term" or "long-term" effects of us drilling. In shallow waters, many people that actually KNOW, say we can produce in less than a year. Deep waters, maybe 5-6 years. So are we not going to need oil in 5 years? That whole argument is a cop-out. You have still stated nothing "factual" about drilling.
You're a 60 year old dumbass with his thumb stuck up his ass.

[Vertnut]

You're a 60 year old dumbass with his thumb stuck up his ass.
Shhh... :D

[black01gt]

America would absolutely decimate any nation in the world, they have the most awesome military to ever grace this earth. But we both know that would never happen, not just because of the libs at home but because the rest of the world would go ape shit. Nobody can go toe to toe with the US.
SS
Where I came from the biggest motherfucker in the room is really the only one that can say "we have no problem here." :D

[Vertnut]

Where I came from the biggest motherfucker in the room is really the only one that can say "we have no problem here." :D
Same here...

[Stang Seller]

Where I came from the biggest motherfucker in the room is really the only one that can say "we have no problem here." :D
Hahaha, where I come from the toughest motherfucker in the room is that person. Sometimes he ain't that big.
SS

[sc281_99-0135]

[


This is a more reasonable response, I understand it is a means to an end and it will take time. This thread is in regards to Iran and the current crisis and ongoing nuclear issue. Drilling offshore will have NO impact in the foreseeable future! I see a huge potential in the future for switchgrass ethanol and bio-ethanol but again this is years away and better reserved for another topic. This will not affect the relations and issue with Iran today.
SS[/QUOTE]


drilling offshore will have a huge impact.


the reason why worldwide demand goes down, supply is far from falling. yet oil goes up 250% in a year? speculation.

whats going to ease such speculation in the short term? a reasonable assumption that the value of oil in the future will be lower than what it is today.

how do we accomplish such a simple yet seemingly astonishly hard goal for the likes of obama and the rest of our idiotic political system? WE GIVE THE PEOPLE THE REASONABLE ASSUMPTION INSTEAD OF A FUCKING TAX REBATE!!!


the solutiion....
drill every fucking where, get coal and oil shale ( which we have a shit ton of) working for us.

help t boone get wind energy moving.

build nuclear plants modeled after frances which are clean and efficient as hell , (the only good think the french have ever done)

build up tidal energy ....

after all our whole technology infrastructure is built on the single purpose of moving metal wire around a fuckin magnet. how hard is it?

enslave peta/green peace member and have them generate electricity by riding stationary bikes tied to a magnet
( they like to excercise and save the enviroment anyway right ;D

and stop whining about the oil companies because they are exploiting the idiocy of america and getting ever tax loophole they can.
seriously, if you or i (well maybe not you canuck) could find a legal way to cut my $16000/yr tax bill in half, to legally exploit the politicians tax loopholes they didnt have the foresight to close down? youre god damn right i would !!!

[Paladin]

Hahaha, where I come from the toughest motherfucker in the room is that person. Sometimes he ain't that big.
SS

Yeah, strap a bomb on a small guy and when he kills innocent women and children in the name of Allah, he is so tough!

:D

[sc281_99-0135]

Yeah, strap a bomb on a small guy and when he kills innocent women and children in the name of Allah, he is so tough!

:D

the bomb is bigger than the fist?


how the fuck do these people think that killing innocent people as well as themselves be a good idea.
i can understand it going into an enemy stronghold where there is only enemies, and no innocent people pertaining to the conflict at hand. but personally id rather go all leonidas with some buddies of mine and feel a real sense of accomplishment before i die.... rather than "click" boom.

[Stang Seller]

sc281_99-0135, I should have been more clear. I was only referring to a solution in regards to Iran in the short term. From what little I do know about drilling, the process can take months or even years to start pumping. My meaning is that this issue that Vertnut brought up does not affect the standings with Iran and the current regime, under the context of this particular thread. In the future, yes there will be a big impact but it will take years for any of us to start seeing benefits. Either way, I'm just trying to stick to the topic at hand. :)
SS

[Vertnut]

My point is, once it starts, it won't take that long in the grand scheme of things...

[sc281_99-0135]

sc281_99-0135, I should have been more clear. I was only referring to a solution in regards to Iran in the short term. From what little I do know about drilling, the process can take months or even years to start pumping. My meaning is that this issue that Vertnut brought up does not affect the standings with Iran and the current regime, under the context of this particular thread. In the future, yes there will be a big impact but it will take years for any of us to start seeing benefits. Either way, I'm just trying to stick to the topic at hand. :)
SS


this is the topic at hand. iran is only playing bad ass with the US because they know we are scared to destabilize the region any furher because of our deplendence of oil there. take that out of the picture and theyll be alot less bold in their actions from then on. because then nothing will be stopping us from reprisal on ANY terror attack or insult to the US from that region.

[black01gt]

Hahaha, where I come from the toughest motherfucker in the room is that person. Sometimes he ain't that big.
SS
Where I came from the biggest motherfucker in the room wrestles steers for a living and knows how to protect his knees from the squirts running around "tough". He's got em on weight alone. Combined with agility, he usually decides the "gentlemanly" outcome. Seen it, many times.

And it's just an analogy. Let's not get into tough versus big. Point is, by your own admission, The US could rule if we decided to. The only thing I see holding that back is our "leaders" and their own agendas. If that changes....

[Vertnut]

this is the topic at hand. iran is only playing bad ass with the US because they know we are scared to destabilize the region any furher because of our deplendence of oil there. take that out of the picture and theyll be alot less bold in their actions from then on. because then nothing will be stopping us from reprisal on ANY terror attack or insult to the US from that region.
If we weren't worried about oil, they would have been gone long ago.

Good post.

[sc281_99-0135]

post by vertnut
I'm not some 20-year-old dumbass with his thumb stuck up his ass. I know you're used to dealing with those boys



actually vert i am one of these people (except a year older and without the thumb up the ass)

im one of the rare ones that actually researches this stuff and researches my political views before spouting them off unlike the the obama cheer squad.


refreshing huh?

[Stang Seller]

My point is, once it starts, it won't take that long in the grand scheme of things...
Fair enough, and you are correct. In the short, it won't make much if any difference. In the long run, hopefully the Mullah's will be gone and my country will be free of this 29 year long disaster.

this is the topic at hand. iran is only playing bad ass with the US because they know we are scared to destabilize the region any furher because of our deplendence of oil there. take that out of the picture and theyll be alot less bold in their actions from then on. because then nothing will be stopping us from reprisal on ANY terror attack or insult to the US from that region.
Very true, but again the response above applies here too.

Where I came from the biggest motherfucker in the room wrestles steers for a living and knows how to protect his knees from the squirts running around "tough". He's got em on weight alone. Combined with agility, he usually decides the "gentlemanly" outcome. Seen it, many times.

And it's just an analogy. Let's not get into tough versus big. Point is, by your own admission, The US could rule if we decided to. The only thing I see holding that back is our "leaders" and their own agendas. If that changes....
Haha, "wrestles steers" reminds me of Full Metal Jacket. Anyway, that's a whole 'nother topic. The US could try to rule, but then that goes against everything the founding fathers fought for and would make it a Nazi Germany. Wasn't that the point, to break away from the British colonialism?
There are many ways to solve this problem, "diplomacy" is just a sham while America pours funding toward creating instability and revolt. This is probably ideal, but will again end with resentment towards America and no credibility for the following government. No matter what, it's a lose lose situation but which one has the least amount of losses?
SS

[Vertnut]

post by vertnut
I'm not some 20-year-old dumbass with his thumb stuck up his ass. I know you're used to dealing with those boys



actually vert i am one of these people (except a year older and without the thumb up the ass)

im one of the rare ones that actually researches this stuff and researches my political views before spouting them off unlike the the obama cheer squad.


refreshing huh?
You are the future. I have two daughters, ages 22 (just married) and 19 (soph. at UT), and I constantly remind them of this. Lord willing, I'm good for another 25-30 years. That's really short-term in the context of these issues we're dealing with. Keep staying informed, and don't listen to all the liberal, nut-case Prof's, like my youngest has to deal with at UT. It's amazing any grad from a major university, isn't a flaming-ass liberal...

[sc281_99-0135]

You are the future. I have two daughters, ages 22 (just married) and 19 (soph. at UT), and I constantly remind them of this. Lord willing, I'm good for another 25-30 years. That's really short-term in the context of these issues we're dealing with. Keep staying informed, and don't listen to all the liberal, nut-case Prof's, like my youngest has to deal with at UT. It's amazing any grad from a major university, isn't a flaming-ass liberal...


hear it everyday :rolleyes: notice the post about green peace and peta as a fuel resource. :cool:

[black01gt]

Haha, "wrestles steers" reminds me of Full Metal Jacket. Anyway, that's a whole 'nother topic. The US could try to rule, but then that goes against everything the founding fathers fought for and would make it a Nazi Germany.
No matter what, it's a lose lose situation but which one has the least amount of losses?
SS
Reminds me of a joke that ends with "...that's only because we ain't played Cowboys and Muslims yet."
I'm not even curious about whether our founding fathers wanted to see us watch ourselves go down in flames. :cool:

[Mr Majestyk]

There is no need for a ground invasion of Iran. Simply take out their Achilles heel, i.e. their water supplies, and they'll see the light very quickly. Nationalism will quickly fade as the once proud Iranian populace begins to die of thirst.


Where did you learn your military planning? You should be a general, you've got it all figured out! And when Iran takes out the world's oil supply and you cant pump up and your already imploding economy crumbles while China points and laughs and calls in your debts...... what then??? Very well thought out idea, General Majestyk. Palestinians have no water, they're still fighting 60 years later.

Palestinians have water, dummy, they just don't have control over water. They survive on the benevolence of Israel. Taking out Iran's water supplies in toto would be entirely different my friend, and as I posted, the once proud Iranian populace would be easily brought to their knees without a shot being fired.

[silvercobra03]

Diplomacy at its finest, I tell ya!!! :rolleyes: When are the Obama/Pelosi-led Liberals going to realize that there is no room for diplomacy with savages?

Are we talking about all of Iran or just the savages?

Because if Hitler would have called himself a Christian, people would blame us for that shit too.

I am just trying to understand are we grouping everyone over there together or do we see the difference between the extremist and average person?


Hey Denny did you guys kill Zara? I have not seen him post in a minute.

[Denny]

Are we talking about all of Iran or just the savages?



I am just trying to understand are we grouping everyone over there together or do we see the difference between the extremist and average person?


Hey Denny did you guys kill Zara? I have not seen him post in a minute.
If the Iranians let Amen-handjob and the Ahya-toldya to stand up and speak for them, then they're letting themselves fall into that category. We're talking about a people who have a history of taking out their own trash, let alone others. Why aren't they doing that now?

Zara hasn't posted since "the great taco incident of Denton." We won't discuss that here. RIP

[silvercobra03]

If the Iranians let Amen-handjob and the Ahya-toldya to stand up and speak for them, then they're letting themselves fall into that category. We're talking about a people who have a history of taking out their own trash, let alone others. Why aren't they doing that now?

Zara hasn't posted since "the great taco incident of Denton." We won't discuss that here. RIP



lmao "The great taco incident of 08" hahaha

[Denny]

lmao "The great taco incident of 08" hahaha
I never knew a taco could go where it went... SIDEWAYS. :eek:

[Denny]

Look here...
http://edition.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/meast/08/03/iran.nuclear.ap/index.html
He doesn't want to end it. He just wants to see how much he can take from us, like N. Korea. Of course the Iranians want that. They're worse than Shaniqua with 4 kids, standing next to the mailbox, waiting for her check.

[Paladin]

lmao "The great taco incident of 08" hahaha

I guess I missed that one. Can someone explain please?

[black01gt]

I guess I mnissed that one. Can someone explain please?
X2

[Shaithis]

Look here...
http://edition.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/meast/08/03/iran.nuclear.ap/index.html
He doesn't want to end it. He just wants to see how much he can take from us, like N. Korea. Of course the Iranians want that. They're worse than Shaniqua with 4 kids, standing next to the mailbox, waiting for her check.

We need to shut down negotiations for about 3-6 months. Say nothing, respond to nothing. If they address us directly, send thier asses to some indian (dot) tech support number. Fuck giving those guys any sort of reward for bad behavior. They need to be treated like a 4 year old child. :mad:

[Denny]

WE might not have to worry about how WE'RE going to handle anything.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080807/ap_on_re_mi_ea/israel_striking_iran

"If Israeli, U.S., or European intelligence gets proof that Iran has succeeded in developing nuclear weapons technology, then Israel will respond in a manner reflecting the existential threat posed by such a weapon," said Israeli Deputy Prime Minister Shaul Mofaz, speaking at a policy forum in Washington last week.

[Vertnut]

WE might not have to worry about how WE'RE going to handle anything.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080807/ap_on_re_mi_ea/israel_striking_iran
Exactly what I stated in the "Denny could be paying up" thread, post #23. We're still just an Israeli tactical nuke away from $5 a gallon gas, or worse.

[Denny]

Exactly what I stated in the "Denny could be paying up" thread, post #23. We're still just an Israeli tactical nuke away from $5 a gallon gas, or worse.
I'd pay $6 a gallon to rid the world of those fuckers.

[Vertnut]

I'd pay $6 a gallon to rid the world of those fuckers.
I'll bet these sumbitches would start drilling then, huh? AL Gore needs to be a "worm" on some rig outside of Midland..."Pick up 'at shovel you ignernt fuck!" :D

[Denny]

Sigh... not that anyone cares, but:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080815/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iraq_assassination_teams

[Mustangman_2000]

Sigh... not that anyone cares, but:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080815/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iraq_assassination_teams

Why would you say no one cares?

I think most patriotic Americans care about the welfare of U.S. troops. I think this Iran situation has become very serious. They are posing a legitimate threat to U.S. interests in the region, especially by training militia to kill U.S. soldiers. It's only a matter of time now. Their actions are provocative and warrant a military response.

[98COBRA#770]

Correct me if I'm wrong but in theory couldn't one US nuke sub (the kind with billistic missles) take out Iran and most of Russia.

Cause you have too count Russia in if we take on Iran it's a given.

Just thinking that with DC gone with Iran's first nuke strike that would leave
NORAD incharge I.E. open can of woop ass.

[Stang Seller]

Those of you who think a nuke is a viable option are mentally retarded. How stupid do you actually have to be to think this it's even a remotely possibility?????

I love Denny's posts with links to pages where the 'sources' are conveniently "anonymous and spoke on condition of anonymity'........ Yeeeeeah, cuz every reporter has a sneaky dimly lit meeting spot for government officials where they get secret info. :rolleyes: Baaaaaaaah baaaaaaaaaah (<--- sound of sheeple)
SS

[Slowhand]

Those of you who think a nuke is a viable option are mentally retarded. How stupid do you actually have to be to this it's even a remotely possibility?????

I love Denny's posts with links to pages where the 'sources' are conveniently "anonymous and spoke on condition of anonymity'........ Yeeeeeah, cuz every reporter has a sneaky dimly lit meeting spot for government officials where they get secret info. :rolleyes: Baaaaaaaah baaaaaaaaaah (<--- sound of sheeple)
SS

LMAO! Stang Seller comes out of the wordwork again!

[silvercobra03]

Those of you who think a nuke is a viable option are mentally retarded. How stupid do you actually have to be to think this it's even a remotely possibility?????

I love Denny's posts with links to pages where the 'sources' are conveniently "anonymous and spoke on condition of anonymity'........ Yeeeeeah, cuz every reporter has a sneaky dimly lit meeting spot for government officials where they get secret info. :rolleyes: Baaaaaaaah baaaaaaaaaah (<--- sound of sheeple)
SS


Interesting I am listening

[Stang Seller]

Hmmm now that I re read my post, I have to say it's probably the most grammatically error filled post I have ever made. Sorry bout that........ :D
Personally, I would like media held accountable for the crap we read. So MUCH shit is spewed, almost always followed with 'anonymous source' or something along those lines. How about 'story I made up but am saying it's from an anonymous source to sound credible'. How about either you have to reveal your source or you can't print your story through a North American news outlet?
SS

[silvercobra03]

Hmmm now that I re read my post, I have to say it's probably the most grammatically error filled post I have ever made. Sorry bout that........ :D
Personally, I would like media held accountable for the crap we read. So MUCH shit is spewed, almost always followed with 'anonymous source' or something along those lines. How about 'story I made up but am saying it's from an anonymous source to sound credible'. How about either you have to reveal your source or you can't print your story through a North American news outlet?
SS


I think Denny has felt a disturbance in the force.

[Stang Seller]

I think Denny has felt a disturbance in the force.
Denny does not have the force, he's got the Schwartz.
SS

[silvercobra03]

Denny does not have the force, he's got the Schwartz.
SS



hahahaaha BURN lmao

[black01gt]

Correct me if I'm wrong but in theory couldn't one US nuke sub (the kind with billistic missles) take out Iran and most of Russia.

Cause you have too count Russia in if we take on Iran it's a given.

Just thinking that with DC gone with Iran's first nuke strike that would leave
NORAD incharge I.E. open can of woop ass.
Yeah baby! What a party!? Course there is this one little issue;...it would be the end of most of the world. This ain't paintball. Jesus fucking Christ!

I keep hoping Denny is wrong with his calander time frame, but given man's ability to fuck things up.....

[Denny]

Right. I'm just going to take the word of a chicken shit refugee in Canada over several media sources AND action being taken RIGHT IN FRONT OF ME!

Why the fuck are we ramping up out here and building new bases in very obvious places that show our intent?

[Denny]

Yeah baby! What a party!? Course there is this one little issue;...it would be the end of most of the world. This ain't paintball. Jesus fucking Christ!

I keep hoping Denny is wrong with his calander time frame, but given man's ability to fuck things up.....
We're not launching a nuke anytime soon... over here.

[silvercobra03]

Right. I'm just going to take the word of a chicken shit refugee in Canada over several media sources AND action being taken RIGHT IN FRONT OF ME!

Why the fuck are we ramping up out here and building new bases in very obvious places that show our intent?


I am sad I thought this was going to be funny when I got to work but o well.

[jyro]

Yeah baby! What a party!? Course there is this one little issue;...it would be the end of most of the world. .....


Since 16 July 1945 there have been 2,044 tests worldwide, the equivalent of one test occurring somewhere in the world every nine days for the last fifty years.

It is estimated that the total yield of all the atmospheric nuclear weapons tests conducted is 438 megatons. That's equivalent to 29,200 Hiroshima size bombs. In the 36 years between 1945 and 1980 when atmospheric testing was being conducted this would have been equivalent to exploding a Hiroshima size bomb in the atmosphere every 11 hours.

http://archive.greenpeace.org/comms/nukes/ctbt/read9.html

[silvercobra03]

Since 16 July 1945 there have been 2,044 tests worldwide, the equivalent of one test occurring somewhere in the world every nine days for the last fifty years.

It is estimated that the total yield of all the atmospheric nuclear weapons tests conducted is 438 megatons. That's equivalent to 29,200 Hiroshima size bombs. In the 36 years between 1945 and 1980 when atmospheric testing was being conducted this would have been equivalent to exploding a Hiroshima size bomb in the atmosphere every 11 hours.

http://archive.greenpeace.org/comms/nukes/ctbt/read9.html

That's a good point but did they test any of those bombs on New York city or LA?

[black01gt]

I'm no expert but if I were I don't think it would cause me to have less concern about nuclear warfare and all the international threats. They can guess at calibrated results but can't possibly have tested the radiation concentration of multiple detonations in a targeted area.
Yeah I'm a peacenik when possible. And I'm convinced that it's possible more than we think. The world is starting to remind me of "crips & bloods" with everybody having to have their "equalizer". Harmless fun until the aftermath.

I still think we could have "mailed a couple of messages" with MOABs by now and provoked some serious thought even from the most hard-headed foes. With all this nuke missle talk why are we spending zillion$ on fighter planes? Maybe they can make at least one B1-B dependable enough. :rolleyes:

[jyro]

"Yeah I'm a peacenik when possible. And I'm convinced that it's possible more than we think. "

"I still think we could have "mailed a couple of messages" with MOABs by now and provoked some serious thought even from the most hard-headed foes." :

both these statements in the same post? Do you REALLY have ANY convictions?

[Paladin]

both these statements in the same post? Do you REALLY have ANY convictions?

Let me answer for him: NO!

[black01gt]

Let me answer for him: NO!
Don't you always?

And yes jyro, absofuckinglutely! I have serious convictions whether you understand them or not. And one of them is how we not start firing nuke missles all over the place and then decide.....oops. :eek: Small minded men making large decisions is a very dangerous situation.

"these teeth are not my own and I ain't got no ear but...I'm a winner" :o

[Paladin]

Don't you always?

And yes jyro, absofuckinglutely! I have serious convictions whether you understand them or not. And one of them is how we not start firing nuke missles all over the place and then decide.....oops. :eek: Small minded men making large decisions is a very dangerous situation.

"these teeth are not my own and I ain't got no ear but...I'm a winner" :o

Funny how you mention small minded men....LOL :cool:

[black01gt]

Funny how you mention small minded men....LOL :cool:
If you say so? Only one of em would find that funny.

Notch trying to tell me what a mental giant he is in 4..3..2..

[jyro]

we not start firing nuke missles all over the place and then decide.....oops. :eek: Small minded men making large decisions is a very dangerous situation.

I have confidence that the USA wouldn't fire any nukes unless it was absolutely necessary for our safety.
Also, I would never call any President of the United States small minded.

Just the fact that Saddam once had them and threatened to use WMD's again is enough reason for him to be gone. Russia, and Iran shoud have taken notice of what happened to Saddam because of threats to other countries.

[Paladin]

If you say so? Only one of em would find that funny.

Notch trying to tell me what a mental giant he is in 4..3..2..

No need to convince you, the lying hypocrite, of anything.

[Denny]

Looks like it's a good time for Israel to kick the tires and light the fires!

http://edition.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/meast/08/29/iran.nuclear/index.html

[mikeb]

Unfortunately, hitting this Regime with military strength is a disaster waiting to happen. It will only bring back Iranian resentment for Americans, and make the populace content with the regime for a longer time because they'll be more focused on the bad things America has done to them.

Folks, let's not forget that Afghanistan IS an Iranian nation. They speak nearly the same language and are of the same ethnicity. Iraq shares a religious majority with Iran, and also has a massive Kurdish population who are also considered Iranian people. Azerbaijan is also historically Iranian, and Iran will invade and take over which will be a huge strategic win.
Potentially, this could drip down to tensions in other historically Iranian peoples, such as the Uzbeks and Kazakh. Every Kazakh I have ever spoken with has spoken highly of Iran and said they identified more with us and considered themselves Iranian people. This, even while their primary language was Russian! This is only an opinion though but it is a possiblility.

It's not as simple as simply striking Iran within it's borders and keeping the problems totally within Iran's borders. Iranian influence goes beyond religion and terrorist funding. Remember, we've been there for 6000 years. We've touched every area from the Mediterranean to northern India. The fallout would be much worse for American interests than they would for Iranian interests.
SS

Nowhere in my post did I advocate attacking iran; I was simply speculating that there are probably some number of undercover operations in progress at the moment inside of Iran with the goal to undermine the current iranian authority. Which would be the way to do it.