GM loses top spot for first half of year... [Archive]

01WhiteCobra

07-23-2008, 10:13 AM

Toyota beats General Motors in worldwide sales in first half of 2008 as US sales slump

DETROIT (AP) -- Toyota beat General Motors in worldwide sales in the first half of the year.

Toyota Motor Corp. said Wednesday it sold 4.8 million vehicles between January and June, up 2 percent from the same period a year ago. General Motors Corp. says it sold 4.5 million vehicles in the same period, or about 300,000 less than Toyota.

GM says its total sales fell 3 percent in the first half of the year due to economic pressures and labor disruptions in the U.S. market. But the automaker says it posted record-breaking sales in other regions, including Latin America, Asia and Europe.

GM narrowly beat Toyota in total sales last year to retain the title of the world's largest automaker by sales.

Dead man walking.

Denny

07-23-2008, 10:19 AM

Not only on top, but UP!!!

Casper

07-23-2008, 10:32 AM

There is a lot of asset there. I wonder if Fiat is drooling right now?

01WhiteCobra

07-23-2008, 10:54 AM

Not only on top, but UP!!!

Yes, definitely a text book inverse curve (GM high, losing ground... Toyota low, gaining ground...) it appears the lines have crossed.

From what I'm told if GM does lose its top spot it would take at least 10 years before they gained it back.

Denny

07-23-2008, 11:08 AM

Yes, definitely a text book inverse curve (GM high, losing ground... Toyota low, gaining ground...) it appears the lines have crossed.

From what I'm told if GM does lose its top spot it would take at least 10 years before they gained it back.
LMAO! Like stopping a locomotive and throwing the bitch in reverse.

FreightTrain

07-23-2008, 11:42 AM

thesource

07-23-2008, 11:47 AM

You can't be number 1 forever. I'm sure Toyota won't stay number 1 as long as GM did. Their build quality has gone down during the last few years. I'm not saying its crap, but it has gone down and people have noticed.

Is there any connection with the fact more and more Toyota vehicles are being produced in the U.S. by Americans ?

FreightTrain

07-23-2008, 11:51 AM

Is there any connection with the fact more and more Toyota vehicles are being produced in the U.S. by Americans ?

I guess you can blame it on the same connection ford has used to up their build quality. :confused:

cannonball996

07-23-2008, 12:40 PM

I dont think very many people care who actually build the car...GMs main selling force is trucks and SUVs and they are not selling right now

Denny

07-23-2008, 11:28 PM

You can't be number 1 forever.
Awful statement!

FreightTrain

07-23-2008, 11:45 PM

Awful statement!

How is that an awful statment when it speaks the truth. Show me a company, nation, or individual that has stayed at the top for forever. I'm not trying to be a smart ass either I really want to know your view on it.

Denny

07-24-2008, 12:32 AM

How is that an awful statment when it speaks the truth. Show me a company, nation, or individual that has stayed at the top for forever. I'm not trying to be a smart ass either I really want to know your view on it.
This country... since it's conception, it's been on top forever. Am I wrong?

FreightTrain

07-24-2008, 12:40 AM

This country... since it's conception, it's been on top forever. Am I wrong?

Technically yes, but do you think it will be number 1 forever. History shows otherwise.

32VfromHell

07-24-2008, 12:43 AM

This country... since it's conception, it's been on top forever. Am I wrong?

i disagree.

It took the war of 1812 to fully assert our independance. Britian was still pressing sailors into the Royal Navy until then.

It took the civil war for the world to take notice that we were a nation to be reckoned with.

It took the end of world war 1 for us to be acknowledged as a huge world power.

It took world war ii for us to be acknowledged as first among equals.

Denny

07-24-2008, 12:45 AM

Technically yes, but do you think it will be number 1 forever. History shows otherwise.
Now you're bringing in specuation of the future to back a reflective thought.

Denny

07-24-2008, 12:46 AM

i disagree.

It took the war of 1812 to fully assert our independance. Britian was still pressing sailors into the Royal Navy until then.

It took the civil war for the world to take notice that we were a nation to be reckoned with.

It took the end of world war 1 for us to be acknowledged as a huge world power.

It took world war ii for us to be acknowledged as first among equals.
Well, it was a constant climb until we peaked. How's that?

Slowhand

07-24-2008, 12:51 AM

If GM could cut their Union ties, I bet they'd be in a lot better shape. Just sayin'.

This country... since it's conception, it's been on top forever. Am I wrong?
As quickly as we're heading downhill, I think you may be.

Look at England; they're still a superpower today, but they're not nearly what they were in the 18th and 19th centuries.

MrSS

07-24-2008, 12:53 AM

i disagree.

It took the war of 1812 to fully assert our independance. Britian was still pressing sailors into the Royal Navy until then.

It took the civil war for the world to take notice that we were a nation to be reckoned with.

It took the end of world war 1 for us to be acknowledged as a huge world power.

It took world war ii for us to be acknowledged as first among equals.

True in the scheme of things we havent been on top long, and nothing compared to the Roman empire, Im sure we will share their fate too but when?

Denny

07-24-2008, 01:04 AM

But as it stands, it can be said.

Sean88gt

07-24-2008, 07:29 AM

Denny

07-24-2008, 07:38 AM

I'm with you Denny. Even during the dark years of Carter we were still number 1. And if Obama gets elected, we will still be number 1 despite his attempts to change that.

I heard this morning that in a poll 80% of Germans would vote for Obama.
Maybe the cocksucker needs to run for office in Germany, then.

The God Damned Germans ain't got nothin' to do with it!

Sean88gt

07-24-2008, 07:40 AM

I agree!
They see the overwhelming similarities in social(ist) policy to the leader that shot them to the top, even if it was only for a few years, and they want that back.

mikeb

07-24-2008, 01:49 PM

I heard this morning that in a poll 80% of Germans would vote for Obama.

Yep, the germans sure can pick great leaders.

http://www.conservapedia.com/images/thumb/f/f4/Hitler7.JPG/300px-Hitler7.JPG

MrEd

07-24-2008, 02:00 PM

Yep, the germans sure can pick great leaders.

http://www.conservapedia.com/images/thumb/f/f4/Hitler7.JPG/300px-Hitler7.JPG
i thought he was pretty smart

Denny

07-24-2008, 11:00 PM

LMAO @ the hair of the guys over his shoulders.

01WhiteCobra

07-24-2008, 11:23 PM

nothing compared to the Roman empire,

Long live Romulus!

Jesus, y'all, the thread started out about car manufacturing and we're now talking about horse drawn chariots!

Stay on topic or start your own damn thread. :D

PWTRTXSS

07-24-2008, 11:27 PM

Well, it was a constant climb until we peaked. How's that?

After the peak, there is a long slow slide, right?

FreightTrain

07-24-2008, 11:36 PM

Long live Romulus!

Jesus, y'all, the thread started out about car manufacturing and we're now talking about horse drawn chariots!

Stay on topic or start your own damn thread. :D

LOL Denny has found more people read the Political forum vs the Theology forum. He's just trying to spread his gospel to the masses.

01WhiteCobra

07-24-2008, 11:42 PM

Oh if we're talking about America, "The Empire", I don't see how you can think of us as an "empire" until the expansion (imperialism) really started kicking in around the time Texas was annexed. We annexed a bunch a crap between then and the early 1900s with the annexation of the Panama Canal Zone.

We still have a few more years to play out on the "200 year Empire" cycle.

Mustangman_2000

07-25-2008, 12:15 AM

I could write a book on the extreme detrimental effects the UAW has on the Detroit Big 3.

I'm not a fatalist on this subject. I think things will get better, especially if the rising cost of energy begins to stabilize.

Denny

07-25-2008, 12:21 AM

After the peak, there is a long slow slide, right?
Just because there's a smaller gap between 1 and two, doesn't mean the numbers changed their respective order.

Denny

07-25-2008, 12:23 AM

LOL Denny has found more people read the Political forum vs the Theology forum. He's just trying to spread his gospel to the masses.
I make my rounds ;)

Good catch, though.

MrSS

07-25-2008, 12:37 AM

Back on subject GM has several new cars coming out that I think would help boost sells. Camaro, Volt, and a hybrid Silverado this coming year. People love trucks and one that will get 20+mpg city should do well unless its a huge difference in price.

Denny

07-25-2008, 12:46 AM