FF13 NOT a PS3 Exclusive

[Magnus]

http://ps3.ign.com/articles/889/889188p3.html
[quote=IGN]Final Fantasy XIII is coming to the 360 and that means PS3 owners just lost another gigantic exclusive. This is definitely a huge disappointment for gamers who bought a PS3 solely for Square-Enix's next RPG, but I don't think this news is world-ending.[/quote]

Well, there went one of three reasons to grab a ps3 for me.
When/If a blu-ray player drive comes out for the 360, that'll be another one off the list.
Gran Turismo 5 is my only remaining motivation for a PS3 at that point. Not really wanting to pay $400+ for 1 game. :)

[90GT50]

People still care about final fantasy? Damn nerds.

[momo stallion]

[QUOTE=90GT50]People still care about final fantasy? Damn nerds.[/QUOTE]


x2.

[I3oostedCubes]

There is arguably 13 of them, I think they are pretty damn popular...

[Magnus]

* Final Fantasy
* Final Fantasy II
* Final Fantasy III
* Final Fantasy IV
* Final Fantasy V
* Final Fantasy VI
* Final Fantasy VII
* Final Fantasy VIII
* Final Fantasy IX
* Final Fantasy X
* Final Fantasy XI
* Final Fantasy XII
* Final Fantasy XIII
* Final Fantasy I-II
* Final Fantasy Collection
* Final Fantasy Anthology
* Final Fantasy Chronicles
* Final Fantasy Origins
* Final Fantasy I & II: Dawn of Souls
* Final Fantasy IV: The After

* Before Crisis -Final Fantasy VII-
* Crisis Core -Final Fantasy VII-
* Dirge of Cerberus -Final Fantasy VII-
* Dirge of Cerberus Lost Episode -Final Fantasy VII-
* Final Fantasy VII: Snowboarding

* Final Fantasy X-2

* Final Fantasy XI: Rise of the Zilart
* Final Fantasy XI: Chains of Promathia
* Final Fantasy XI Treasures of Aht Urhgan
* Final Fantasy XI: Wings of the Goddess

* Final Fantasy XII: Revenant Wings

* Final Fantasy Agito XIII
* Final Fantasy Versus XIII

* Final Fantasy Tactics
* Final Fantasy Tactics: The War of the Lions
* Final Fantasy Tactics Advance
* Final Fantasy Tactics A2: Grimoire of the Rift
* Crystal Guardians

* Final Fantasy Crystal Chronicles
* Final Fantasy Crystal Chronicles: Ring of Fates
* Final Fantasy Crystal Chronicles: The Crystal Bearers
* Final Fantasy Crystal Chronicles: My Life as a King

* Dissidia -Final Fantasy-

* Chocobo's Mysterious Dungeon
* Chocobo's Mysterious Dungeon 2
* Chocobo Racing
* Final Fantasy Fables: Chocobo Tales
* Final Fantasy Fables: Chocobo's Dungeon

* Final Fantasy Adventure
* Final Fantasy Legend I
* Final Fantasy Legend II
* Final Fantasy Legend III
* Final Fantasy Mystic Quest

* Bahamut Lagoon
* Vagrant Story

[SuperWho?]

[QUOTE=Godmagnus]http://ps3.ign.com/articles/889/889188p3.html


Well, there went one of three reasons to grab a ps3 for me.
When/If a blu-ray player drive comes out for the 360, that'll be another one off the list.
Gran Turismo 5 is my only remaining motivation for a PS3 at that point. Not really wanting to pay $400+ for 1 game. :)[/QUOTE]
I'll be damned if I don't finally agree with you. I've heard some rumors today about mgs4 coming to the 360.

[jluv]

Why would people who already own the PS3 give a shit? I know I don't. How do those Blurays look on your Xbox? Just curious.

[Magnus]

[QUOTE=jluv]Why would people who already own the PS3 give a shit? I know I don't. How do those Blurays look on your Xbox? Just curious.[/QUOTE]
And the out of nowhere and pointless post award goes to . . . . . .


[quote=Engadget]For all of Microsoft's denial, the Xbox 360 Blu-ray console rumors just will not die. In fact, they are getting more and more specific. The Chinese language Economic Daily News is reporting that Pegatron, an OEM subsidiary of ASUS, has won the order from Microsoft to assemble the Xbox 360 with Blu-ray Disc ROM drive -- shipments are expected to being in Q3 of this year. Now come on Microsoft, just come clean on the matter, we won't tell anyone.[/quote]

But they are going to look pretty damn good. How's that week library of games and shitty online content system working for ya?

[Grant]

Well, I don't know how soon it'll be for the MS blu-ray to happen..But I was right about their online aspirations; with them inking a deal with Netflix to show their content, which is a pretty solid idea.

[Cartman]

[QUOTE=jluv]Why would people who already own the PS3 give a shit? I know I don't. How do those Blurays look on your Xbox? Just curious.[/QUOTE]
how is gears of war on your ps3? :p

[GSXRK5]

Man i didn't think SE would make the move to 360! I'm a big big big fan of the Final Fantasy Series. And i can't wait till this game comes out.

[Magnus]

[QUOTE=GSXRK5]Man i didn't think SE would make the move to 360! I'm a big big big fan of the Final Fantasy Series. And i can't wait till this game comes out.[/QUOTE]
+1

I've been dreading the day i'd have to buy a ps3 just for games I want. . . looks like i won't have to at this rate. :)

[jluv]

[QUOTE=Godmagnus]How's that week library of games and shitty online content system working for ya?[/QUOTE]

I'm not a hardcore gamer. I do have several games and the library is not weak to me, nor is the online content shitty. That's just your opinion.

It's fact, not opinion that Xbox does not double as a Bluray player, and has not since it was released. Maybe they finally will fix that. Good for them! Meanwhile, I've been enjoying all of these Bluray movies and playing games that I like for a long time and didn't have to buy a separate player.

We could argue opinions back and forth all day. Facts are facts.

[jluv]

[QUOTE=Cartman]how is gears of war on your ps3? :p[/QUOTE]


Gears of Who? ;) Not a fan.

Are you seriously implying that having a particular exclusive game is better than being a game system (with its own exclusives, mind you) and a player for the latest and greatest form of recorded media?

LOL!

[inline 6]

The new MGS is bad ass, It and the new Resident evil that is coming out are 2 of the reasons that I bought it. Being blueray has turned out to be worth it as well. Of course I got my 80gb PS3 brand new in the box for $250 off craigslist. Gotta shop the deals....

[momo stallion]

what good does the 360 adding a bluray drive do? they arent going to make the games bluray. if you just want to watch bluray movies buy a separate bluray player. hell do something productive and build a HTPC with a bluray drive if thats what you want.

i say get both or get bent but im convinced most of the 360 owners here dont know what the hell they are doing since no one seems to mod their shit.

[Magnus]

[QUOTE=momo stallion]what good does the 360 adding a bluray drive do? they arent going to make the games bluray. if you just want to watch bluray movies buy a separate bluray player. [/quote]
Tell that to jluv, earlier he seemed to think it was a valid point in his defense of owning a ps3.


[QUOTE=momo stallion]
i say get both or get bent but im convinced most of the 360 owners here dont know what the hell they are doing since no one seems to mod their shit.[/QUOTE]
No desire to mod mine. In time, sure. Now? Nope, no need.
I eventually will get both if the blu-ray drive is not offered as an external add on for the 360. If it isn't. . . well, i'm not buying another one, i'll get a ps3 when i eventually care about watching movies in blu-ray.
This has been hashed out several times before, and the ps3 has always had only two bonuses:
Blu-Ray PLayer
Fee Online

Well, we've seen what free online has done (caused delays in content and such.)
Blu-Ray player won't be a bonus forever.

[QUOTE=jluv]Gears of Who? ;) Not a fan.

Are you seriously implying that having a particular exclusive game is better than being a game system (with its own exclusives, mind you) and a player for the latest and greatest form of recorded media?

LOL![/QUOTE]
Fanboy says what?
You probably got it so you could watch blu-ray movies and still play your ps1 games. No one cares about Battle Arena Toshinden or Broken Helix anymore. . . .

[unkoricky]

[QUOTE=90GT50]People still care about final fantasy? Damn nerds.[/QUOTE]
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LOL @ someone calling someone else a fanboy :rolleyes:

[90GT50]

[QUOTE=Godmagnus]
Fanboy says what?
[/QUOTE]Wait, did you seriously just try to call someone else a fanboy?
LMFAO, carry on, try to bring on another one sided arguement.

[Magnus]

[QUOTE=90GT50]Wait, did you seriously just try to call someone else a fanboy?
LMFAO, carry on, try to bring on another one sided arguement.[/QUOTE]
Yes, i did, because he is.
And yea, i'm a 360 fanboy, for just cause. Sony has yet to release anything for the PS3 that makes me stop and say "you know what, i made a bad buy."
Isn't that the definition of fan boy? Enjoying your current purchase/item, and saying why it appeals to you?

[GSXRK5]

I don't know you guys are arguing which console is better? You have what you have now quit Bitching! I have both! They both have their pros and cons. And obviously Final Fantasy still owns if they have that long list of games!! That's like saying wow Microsoft is still making computers?!?!?!? Well duh when there is money to be made why not???

[jluv]

[QUOTE=Godmagnus] Tell that to jluv, earlier he seemed to think it was a valid point in his defense of owning a ps3.. [/QUOTE]

Good grief. Are we going to have to start drawing pictures for you? I'm sure he was speaking to people who did not already own a PS3. Why would you tell him to tell me to buy a separate Bluray player when I already have a Bluray player built into my PS3? You really are among the least intelligent members on this board. That takes some serious effort!


[QUOTE=Godmagnus] I eventually will get both if the blu-ray drive is not offered as an external add on for the 360. If it isn't. . . well, i'm not buying another one, i'll get a ps3 when i eventually care about watching movies in blu-ray. [/QUOTE]

What? Hahahaha!!!! Are you turning in circles while you argue with yourself?

[QUOTE=Godmagnus]Fanboy says what?[/QUOTE]

Fanboy? Ok, whatever. I'm not against Xbox at all. If you like yours, that's great. I'm glad I bought a PS3 instead, and that's the extent of it.

[QUOTE=Godmagnus] You probably got it so you could watch blu-ray movies and still play your ps1 games. No one cares about Battle Arena Toshinden or Broken Helix anymore. . . .[/QUOTE]

I've never owned a PS1 and I've never heard of those games. You're pretty used to being wrong by now, aren't you? I'd say you're even fond of it! I got it to watch Bluray movies and play PS3 games. Go figure.

[SVTbasher]

Then why sit here and argue your point if? If you're a fanboy then the decision is already made up in your head as to what console is better for you. As stated by other people, they couldn't give a rats ass about Final Fantasy...I know I don't. Microsoft has already stated it won't make a Blu-ray drive for the 360 because it views online downloads the future of HD. Netflix already stated this as well a few months back, which makes sense for them to join up for the 360 download service. So without the Blu-ray player, 360 games which only grow larger and larger have run out of space on the traditional DVD-9. There are already games using up 2 discs, and there are certain games in development that will be using 3 discs when they come out. Blu-ray has a huge advantage on this side of things. Yes Microsoft will be making it where games will be downloaded to the 360 and use one disc to play it, but that will fill up space quickly on a 20, 60, 120gb unit. So yes continue on your one sided rant. And I've never been disappointed with my PS3 purchase, the games I have are played frequently, I watch movies on blu-ray, can now download movies or rent them from the PSN store, and look forward to the abundant list of exclusive games coming my way. Guess I threw that last part in since its so important to ya. Oh and lets not forget the high failure rate of 25-30% of 360's vs about 1% of PS3's, R&D pays off I guess.

[momo stallion]

[QUOTE=Godmagnus]Tell that to jluv, earlier he seemed to think it was a valid point in his defense of owning a ps3.[/QUOTE]

well in his defense he did buy his ps3 when most stand alone bluray players were more expensive and were not as good as the ps3 bluray b/c of upgradability.

[5.0_CJ]

yeah when I learned FF13 was not going to be PS3 exclusive I almost had a stroke.


With the exception of Japan, I can now safely say the Xbox 360 soundly defeated the Playstation. I told all the sony fanboys that Microsoft's year+ headstart with the 360 would be the death of them - little did they listen. I could never understand why people laughed at Microsoft when they brought a gaming console into the scene - who underestimates this company?

[momo stallion]

[QUOTE=5.0_CJ]yeah when I learned FF13 was not going to be PS3 exclusive I almost had a stroke.


With the exception of Japan, I can now safely say the Xbox 360 soundly defeated the Playstation. I told all the sony fanboys that Microsoft's year+ headstart with the 360 would be the death of them - little did they listen. I could never understand why people laughed at Microsoft when they brought a gaming console into the scene - who underestimates this company?[/QUOTE]


are you insinuating that the ps3 is now dead or is on its way to its doom?

[jluv]

[QUOTE=momo stallion]well in his defense he did buy his ps3 when most stand alone bluray players were more expensive and were not as good as the ps3 bluray b/c of upgradability.[/QUOTE]

And it plays some badass games too. Bonus!

[GSXRK5]

[QUOTE=momo stallion]are you insinuating that the ps3 is now dead or is on its way to its doom?[/QUOTE]

I think he thinks that in Japan 360 sells are off the charts!! But they're not! SE just wants more money and knows they can get it that way by making games for both consoles! Them doing so doesn't mean either has won/lost.

[jluv]

[QUOTE=5.0_CJ]yeah when I learned FF13 was not going to be PS3 exclusive I almost had a stroke.[/QUOTE]

Really? lol


[QUOTE=5.0_CJ]With the exception of Japan, I can now safely say the Xbox 360 soundly defeated the Playstation. I told all the sony fanboys that Microsoft's year+ headstart with the 360 would be the death of them - little did they listen. I could never understand why people laughed at Microsoft when they brought a gaming console into the scene - who underestimates this company? [/QUOTE]

Defeated? How so? This isn't HD-DVD vs Bluray where one stays and the other goes away. There has always been room for multiple systems and there always will be. Competition is a good thing for us.

[5.0_CJ]

[QUOTE=jluv]Really? lol




Defeated? How so? This isn't HD-DVD vs Bluray where one stays and the other goes away. There has always been room for multiple systems and there always will be. Competition is a good thing for us.[/QUOTE]

I agree with that, but I think it's time the sony fanboys acknowledge the fact that the PS3 failed to accomplish it's goals, and it is no longer the flagship gaming console it once was.

[5.0_CJ]

[QUOTE=GSXRK5]I think he thinks that in Japan 360 sells are off the charts!! But they're not! SE just wants more money and knows they can get it that way by making games for both consoles! Them doing so doesn't mean either has won/lost.[/QUOTE]

rotfl did you even read my post? Read the very first sentence in the second paragraph. Seriously guys, put some effort into this.

[momo stallion]

[QUOTE=jluv]Defeated? How so? This isn't HD-DVD vs Bluray where one stays and the other goes away. There has always been room for multiple systems and there always will be. Competition is a good thing for us.[/QUOTE]

if we want to blindly name winners and loosers that means nintendo won and the 360 and ps3 are dead.

funny enough the ps2 is STILL selling more units than the 360 or ps3.

[GSXRK5]

[QUOTE=5.0_CJ]rotfl did you even read my post? Read the very first sentence in the second paragraph. Seriously guys, put some effort into this.[/QUOTE]

Sorry i'm stupid i misread the first sentence!! You win that round!! But when SE's next MMO comes out i wonder if it will be ps3,360,and pc all together.

[jluv]

[QUOTE=5.0_CJ]I agree with that, but I think it's time the sony fanboys acknowledge the fact that the PS3 failed to accomplish it's goals, and it is no longer the flagship gaming console it once was.[/QUOTE]


Who are Sony fanboys?

Failed to accomplish what goals? Was there a deadline to these goals?

Flagship gaming console? Elaborate, please.

And how/why does news that a particular game will be released on the Xbox lead you to the conclusion that now the PS3 has been defeated?

I'm trying to see where you're coming from, but I think it really just translates to you saying that you like your Xbox and you want to feel justified for buying it.

I prefer my PS3. Again, I have watched a ton of Bluray movies on it already and have quite a collection going. Games, too. If anything, I'd have been really pissed when HD-DVD was (in a much more valid use of the word) defeated by Bluray if I had bought an Xbox instead.

[5.0_CJ]

Who are Sony fanboys?

Failed to accomplish what goals? Was there a deadline to these goals?

the success of the PS3 pales in comparison to the previous generation PS2 console. The goals set forth by Sony in Q4 2006, Q1 2007, Q2 2007, Q3 2007, etc.


Flagship gaming console? Elaborate, please.

The playstation literally had pinned the gaming market with (I believe) 65% of all console gamers with the PS2. It isn't even half of that.

And how/why does news that a particular game will be released on the Xbox lead you to the conclusion that now the PS3 has been defeated?

News on that game lead me to the conclusion? the terrible performance of the Ps3 over the last 2 years led me to that conclusion. There is little to no games, the Xbox 360 is devastating the PS3 in every country EXCEPT japan. and there was even a month where the X360 outsold the PS3 in japan.

I'm trying to see where you're coming from, but I think it really just translates to you saying that you like your Xbox and you want to feel justified for buying it.

I own a Ps3, and an Xbox 360. The problem with the data which Sony misinterpreted is they didn't realize the percentage of people that would buy the Ps3 as a bluray player only. this overinflated their statistics with their gaming community and caused problems for them. Total sales of the Ps3 are null and void, because the percentage of games purchase per capita is really terrible in comparison to the X360, it's really quite something to behold, take a look at it.

I prefer my PS3. Again, I have watched a ton of Bluray movies on it already and have quite a collection going. Games, too. If anything, I'd have been really pissed when HD-DVD was (in a much more valid use of the word) defeated by Bluray if I had bought an Xbox instead.

[The Punisher]

After the 360 launched didn't sony say that the next generation of gaming didn't start until they say it did? well has it started for sony yet? :p

[jluv]

[QUOTE=5.0_CJ]the success of the PS3 pales in comparison to the previous generation PS2 console. [/QUOTE]

Is anyone really surprised? Do you think Sony expected this higher-priced game system to instantly dominate a market where people are not only buying at least two other new game systems, but also still buying the PS2? I doubt they were living in any kind of pipe dream.


[QUOTE=5.0_CJ] The goals set forth by Sony in Q4 2006, Q1 2007, Q2 2007, Q3 2007, etc. [/QUOTE] Which were...?

[QUOTE=5.0_CJ] The playstation literally had pinned the gaming market with (I believe) 65% of all console gamers with the PS2. It isn't even half of that.[/QUOTE]

Why in the world would or should it be? Who in their right mind thought it would be? How much longer has the PS2 been available brand new on the shelves?

[QUOTE=5.0_CJ] News on that game lead me to the conclusion? the terrible performance of the Ps3 over the last 2 years led me to that conclusion. There is little to no games, the Xbox 360 is devastating the PS3 in every country EXCEPT japan. and there was even a month where the X360 outsold the PS3 in japan..[/QUOTE]

There are plenty of games and more to come. I have enough to keep me occupied. In fact, I could not buy a new game for a year and still have enough to keep me busy. Then again, I don't play games all day or even every day.

So the Xbox is selling more than the PS3 in most countries for now. So? That means it is defeated? LOL! First of all, it's early. I bet both of these units will still be around for a while and both will be overall successes. Do you think Ford and Chevy stay in business with the main goal of bankrupting the other? It's okay if they both sell a crap ton of systems. No one has to be a loser.

[QUOTE=5.0_CJ]I own a Ps3, and an Xbox 360. The problem with the data which Sony misinterpreted is they didn't realize the percentage of people that would buy the Ps3 as a bluray player only. this overinflated their statistics with their gaming community and caused problems for them. Total sales of the Ps3 are null and void, because the percentage of games purchase per capita is really terrible in comparison to the X360, it's really quite something to behold, take a look at it.[/QUOTE]


Why? What's interesting about that?

[The Punisher]

[QUOTE=jluv]



Why? What's interesting about that?[/QUOTE]
Its important because Sony is loosing big time money on every PS3 that is sold. Its reversed it roles and now has become Xbox #1. They will make their money back on games, but the PS3 has a very low attach rate. So that = not good...
http://videogames.yahoo.com/feature/sony-has-lost-over-3-billion-on-the-ps3/1223467

[jluv]

[QUOTE=The Punisher]Its important because Sony is loosing big time money on every PS3 that is sold. Its reversed it roles and now has become Xbox #1. They will make their money back on games, but the PS3 has a very low attach rate. So that = not good...
http://videogames.yahoo.com/feature/sony-has-lost-over-3-billion-on-the-ps3/1223467[/QUOTE]


Sounds like it's pretty normal and nothing to worry about. Are any of you under the impression that new games will cease being made for the PS3?

[The Punisher]

[QUOTE=jluv]Sounds like it's pretty normal and nothing to worry about. Are any of you under the impression that new games will cease being made for the PS3?[/QUOTE]
If I were Sony, I would be concerned about loosing all this money on each system. It would be stupid not to. Sure they are going to continue to make games, but blockbuster titles is where its at! Microsoft is aggressively fighting for the blockbuster titles, Sony not so much.

I think the PS3 will survive and be a decent gaming system, my thoughts are it might not come back #1 though unless the market changes to favor its path to #1. Right now, its not winning the battle.

[GSXRK5]

Man i'm glad i have them all!! And i don't have to argue which is better!

[jluv]

For what it's worth, I'm not arguing which one is better. I don't really care which one others prefer for their own personal use. To each his/her own. I prefer the PS3, but that's me. I have zero use for an Xbox, but some apparently do. Hooray for choices!

[5.0_CJ]

[QUOTE=jluv]Is anyone really surprised? Do you think Sony expected this higher-priced game system to instantly dominate a market where people are not only buying at least two other new game systems, but also still buying the PS2? I doubt they were living in any kind of pipe dream.


Which were...?



Why in the world would or should it be? Who in their right mind thought it would be? How much longer has the PS2 been available brand new on the shelves?



There are plenty of games and more to come. I have enough to keep me occupied. In fact, I could not buy a new game for a year and still have enough to keep me busy. Then again, I don't play games all day or even every day.

So the Xbox is selling more than the PS3 in most countries for now. So? That means it is defeated? LOL! First of all, it's early. I bet both of these units will still be around for a while and both will be overall successes. Do you think Ford and Chevy stay in business with the main goal of bankrupting the other? It's okay if they both sell a crap ton of systems. No one has to be a loser.




Why? What's interesting about that?[/QUOTE]


I don't really see you making any points in here, just giving a different side of the coin. As for the PS3 failing to meet it's goals, it could be more accurate defined as the PS3 failing to keep it's market share - Sony is in a worse position with the PS3 vs. the Xbox 360 as the PS2 was to the Xbox.

As for it being early, it is not early anymore - that argument may have been sound a year or two ago. The PS3 has been out for 2 years, and the Xbox 360 has been out for 3�½ years. The concern is the sales of the PS3 have failed to increase to any substantial numbers, and their flagship titles are beginning to jump ship.


There is a distinct difference between the automotive industry, and the gaming industry. The automotive industry does not produce a product that completely relies on another separate industry (excluding fuel) - unlike gaming consoles which rely on the game design companies. They have to make a choice which console they will support. Since I've designed games I can tell you that many of the smaller/mid sized companies don't have the resources to port a title onto two separate platforms all the time, they normally pick an SDK and target a single console. In this respect, there can in fact be a loser in this industry, the console system which has the least amount of gamers (which is by far the PS3 at the moment) is the less appealing to those game design companies.

What I mentioned, and also other mentioned in this thread is the fact that a large percentage of PS3 sales were to people that only use it as a blu-ray player. The problem therein is the fact that they do not purchase video games, and over-inflated Sony's projections. Usually, and pretty much always before, a console's sales was a direct proportional figure to the game sales, but with the Blu-ray player being the primary feature, this has proven to not be the case. Initially, several large titles had already signed agreements based on the first few quarters of sales, and now these large title games are creeping up on their release dates having to acknowledge that the projections were wrong and they're already locked into a publisher commitment for exclusive production to Sony. As time progresses (as it is already beginning to happen) you will see less exclusive titles, and more developers supporting, and switching to the stronger of the two markets - the Xbox 360.

Lastly, the online features and rapid and extensive expansion of Xbox Live has cemented Microsoft's lead. Sony has little to compare - I think anyone who owns both consoles can certainly agree with that. Exclusive rights with Netflix, tons upon tons of downloadable content, a much more modular multiplayer netcode to adapt to, and a much, much larger community.

We can let the raw numbers speak for themselves:

Xbox 360 total sales: 19,362,585
PS3 total sales: 10,374,378

The xbox has sold TWICE as many units. And to further the stake in the heart - I've seen estimates as high as 40% of those PS3's were purchased as bluray only players - drastically increasing the gap between the two systems.

[Magnus]

[QUOTE=jluv]I'm not a hardcore gamer. I do have several games and the library is not weak to me, nor is the online content shitty. [/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=jluv] I got it to watch Bluray movies and play PS3 games. Go figure.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=jluv]And it plays some badass games too. Bonus![/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=jluv]
I prefer my PS3. Again, I have watched a ton of Bluray movies on it already and have quite a collection going. Games, too. .[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=jluv]Is
There are plenty of games and more to come. I have enough to keep me occupied. In fact, I could not buy a new game for a year and still have enough to keep me busy. Then again, I don't play games all day or even every day.
[/QUOTE]
So, you have quite a collection, but your not a gamer, and you could go without buying game for awhile?
Well, shit, i guess you love wasting money on games you won't play, an di could go awhile too if i suddenly bought a huge collection of games to keep me busy, since i'd never play them.

Fuck, make up your mind.

[exlude]

Useless argument as PC>*. :)

Anyway, here's an interesting analysis of how PS3 will eventually out do/out live the 360:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=eBGIQ7ZuuiU&feature=related

[5.0_CJ]

[QUOTE=exlude]Useless argument as PC>*. :)

Anyway, here's an interesting analysis of how PS3 will eventually out do/out live the 360:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=eBGIQ7ZuuiU&feature=related[/QUOTE]

RICK ROLLED! :mad:

[Magnus]

[QUOTE=exlude]Useless argument as PC>*. :)

Anyway, here's an interesting analysis of how PS3 will eventually out do/out live the 360:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=eBGIQ7ZuuiU&feature=related[/QUOTE]
Is this a video about Jluv and his ps3?
Never gonna give it up.
Never gonna let it down.

[5.0_CJ]

[QUOTE=Godmagnus]Is this a video about Jluv and his ps3?
Never gonna give it up.
Never gonna let it down.[/QUOTE]

I wonder if techno viking is dancing to Rick Atley?

[Magnus]

[QUOTE=5.0_CJ]I wonder if techno viking is dancing to Rick Atley?[/QUOTE]
No, Rick Atley is playing to Techno Viking.

[5.0_CJ]

[QUOTE=Godmagnus]No, Rick Atley is playing to Techno Viking.[/QUOTE]

ah, excellent observation.

[jluv]

[QUOTE=Godmagnus]So, you have quite a collection, but your not a gamer, and you could go without buying game for awhile?
Well, shit, i guess you love wasting money on games you won't play, an di could go awhile too if i suddenly bought a huge collection of games to keep me busy, since i'd never play them.

Fuck, make up your mind.[/QUOTE]


Make up my mind? Where have I contradicted myself? Where did I say I'd never play the games I own?

Do you have this much trouble engaging in conversations outside of the board, too? I can only imagine.

[jluv]

[QUOTE=5.0_CJ]I don't really see you making any points in here, just giving a different side of the coin. [/QUOTE]

Well, by God maybe you get it then. I'm not trying to make any points to you about how the PS3 is, was, or ever will be more successful than the Xbox, because that's not a debate I give two shits about. I've already said multiple times that I really don't give a shit about which system has sold more units. Why in the world would I? I don't work for Sony. I don't even own stock. I don't care who is "winning", nor do I even acknowledge or care that it's some kind of contest. As far as which is best, that's just a matter of opinion anyway, and no one else's opinion on that is going to sway mine. For the millionth time, I'm thrilled for you guys that love your Xbox. It doesn't cut it for me. The PS3 was and still is the obviously better choice for me. Amazingly, there's nothing wrong with some people buying one and some buying the other.

In fact, my very first words in this thread were "Why would people who already own the PS3 give a shit?" To this point, no one has been able to provide an answer. Instead, you are going off with stats and stuff about how the Xbox has sold more units and games and whatever else. So? You think that means they were defeated? Are they going to disappear in the next year or two? Are people going to stop buying PS3s completely? WIll no one ever make anymore games for them? Will everyone turn their back and embrace the Xbox and start putting blue ribbons in every box?

You can try all you want to make this a "PS3 vs Xbox" debate, but that's all you. For me, the PS3 is far superior. And yes, that's because of the built-in Bluray player. Xbox has "lost" that "battle" with me because even if they come out with a Bluray drive, I already have mine and have been enjoying it for months. I guess you could say that in my household, the Xbox really was "defeated".

[STROKD]

Buy both and STFU up about the game wars already... is $400 bucks really THAT much money? Thats not even a months rent at any place without roaches. :rolleyes:

On Credit its like 8 bucks a month, or 70ish with no interest at Best Buy for 6 months...

[bcoop]

[QUOTE=STROKD]Buy both and STFU up about the game wars already... is $400 bucks really THAT much money? Thats not even a months rent at any place without roaches. :rolleyes:
[/QUOTE]



Not everyone's parents pay their bills. :rolleyes:

[jluv]

[QUOTE=STROKD]Buy both and STFU up about the game wars already... is $400 bucks really THAT much money? Thats not even a months rent at any place without roaches. :rolleyes:

On Credit its like 8 bucks a month, or 70ish with no interest at Best Buy for 6 months...[/QUOTE]


I have zero need for an Xbox. I watch Bluray movies often, and there are plenty of cool games on the PS3 to keep me satisfied.

[Magnus]

[QUOTE=jluv]Well, by God maybe you get it then. I'm not trying to make any points to you about how the PS3 is, was, or ever will be more successful than the Xbox, because that's not a debate I give two shits about. [/QUOTE]
For someone that doesn't care, you sure do keep coming back to let us know just how much you don't care.

[QUOTE=bcoop]Not everyone's parents pay their bills. :rolleyes:[/QUOTE]
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/1003/godmagnus/ohsnapur6.gif

(I felt the vdub guy was appropriate in this case)

[poopnut2]

I just hope they either get away from trying to do new things with the menu based fighting system or completely get rid of it and make it real time battles. I hated the system on XII. FFX was good. IX sucked only because it took so long to fight battles.

I'm happy about the 360 getting XIII. I didn't want to have to throw down for a PS3.

[jluv]

[QUOTE=Godmagnus]For someone that doesn't care, you sure do keep coming back to let us know just how much you don't care.

[/QUOTE]

You're right. Hopefully the light bulb will finally come on.

[raider5.0]

I have both, i have my xbox for online gaming and some titles that are just for them. As for for my PS3 i have it for the outstanding blu-ray movies and its stand alone titles which seem to be getting smaller.

I dont care which is better, never will.

[Magnus]

[QUOTE=jluv]You're right. Hopefully the light bulb will finally come on.[/QUOTE]
Hopefully, but it looks like it still hasn't.

[jluv]

[QUOTE=Godmagnus]Hopefully, but it looks like it still hasn't.[/QUOTE]

LOL. At least you're honest.

[Magnus]

[QUOTE=jluv]LOL. At least you're honest.[/QUOTE]
Yea, can't fault me for that. :)
Anyways, aside from going back and forth about which system is better, what games have you played/own for the ps3 that you really like?
No, not looking for ammo for arguments, just looking to see if there are some others out there i should look into more that might help persuade me to buy a ps3 sooner than i planned.

[jluv]

[QUOTE=Godmagnus]Yea, can't fault me for that. :)
Anyways, aside from going back and forth about which system is better, what games have you played/own for the ps3 that you really like?
No, not looking for ammo for arguments, just looking to see if there are some others out there i should look into more that might help persuade me to buy a ps3 sooner than i planned.[/QUOTE]


Keep in mind that I have no idea which games are exclusive to PS3, so you may be able to get some of these for Xbox.

I like COD4, RSV2, Resistance: Fall of Man, Blazing Angels 2, NFS Pro Street, Ninja Gaiden, Lair, Time Crisis 4, Drake's Fortune: Uncharted, and there are probably a few I'm missing.

I also own MGS 4, Haze, and Bad Company, but I haven't played them yet. Actually, I did play Haze for about 30 minutes when I first brought it home.

I have a few games that I really don't like. NFL Tour, Transformers, and NBA '07 will probably never see time in my PS3 again. And then there are a couple I'm forgetting. I guess they must not be that great either.

I've rented quite a few other games and did not like them. Assassin's Creed, Tiger Woods, and some F1 game. Maybe a couple more I'm forgetting.

See, I'm not a hardcore gamer. When interesting games come out, I'll buy them and just play them whenever I get around to it. These games and the new ones as they come out will keep me plenty satisfied. I've never played online, and it doesn't really intrigue me. I like the campaign modes and really like 2-player co-op games.

I have a lot more Bluray movies than I do games, and I buy and rent new ones every week. I'll never buy another DVD again.

[momo stallion]

i only own mgs4 which was the main reason i bought it. my gf got some tennis games and plays the balls out those. my friend at circuit city gave me that f1 game for free. i like it and might even get a steering wheel setup.

ill probably get madden 09 and tiger woods 09 this year and gt5 whenever the hell that comes out.

[livinglegend_86]

[QUOTE=bcoop]Not everyone's parents pay their bills. :rolleyes:[/QUOTE]
:eek: :eek: :eek:

[DarkWolf]

[quote=90GT50]People still care about final fantasy?[/quote]

I freely admit to being an FF whore.

[QUOTE=5.0_CJ]News on that game lead me to the conclusion? the terrible performance of the Ps3 over the last 2 years led me to that conclusion. There is little to no games, the Xbox 360 is devastating the PS3 in every country EXCEPT japan. and there was even a month where the X360 outsold the PS3 in japan.[/quote]

Actually, the PS3 is now outselling the 360 in all markets (more recently here in the states, but worldwide it's been outselling the 360 almost since it launched). It's still behind, worldwide, but it is catching up. Basically, the only reason the 360 is still ahead of the PS3, is due to being released a year earlier and getting that sales head start. But if you align launch data points, and track sales along a graph, it's quite clear that the PS3 is tracking higher than the 360, meaning at some point (probably late 2009) it will overtake the 360 in worldwide sales, if Microsoft doesn't do something now to stop it.

Also, FF going to 360 doesn't conclude the PS3 failed. The only thing you can draw from that is that Squenix likes money, and they're finally realizing that they can make more money by not staying exclusive to one console.

People upset by this news, are sad people indeed. The rest of us realize this is a good thing. It means we can pick the platform of our choice, and still get the games we want. Exclusivity is bad for the consumer.

I own a Ps3, and an Xbox 360. The problem with the data which Sony misinterpreted is they didn't realize the percentage of people that would buy the Ps3 as a bluray player only. this overinflated their statistics with their gaming community and caused problems for them. Total sales of the Ps3 are null and void, because the percentage of games purchase per capita is really terrible in comparison to the X360, it's really quite something to behold, take a look at it.

If we're going by per capita, the PS3 has a higher attach rate for games than the 360. Also going by per capita, when GTA4 launched, it sold on the PS3 nearly twice as much as the on the 360.

[quote=5.0_CJ]The playstation literally had pinned the gaming market with (I believe) 65% of all console gamers with the PS2. It isn't even half of that.[/quote]

Are you really expecting the PS3 to jump right into the same market share that the PS2 took 7 years to build?

[quote=5.0_CJ]The PS3 has been out for 2 years, and the Xbox 360 has been out for 3�½ years. The concern is the sales of the PS3 have failed to increase to any substantial numbers, and their flagship titles are beginning to jump ship.[/quote]

The PS3 launched in November 2006. That's just over 1.5 years. The 360 launched in November (or was it September?) 2005. That's a little more than 2.5 years.

As I said before, sales data aligned at each systems launch point, the PS3 is outselling the 360, and has been almost since the beginning.

And as far as I know, no title has "jumped ship". That would indicate full on abandonment. FF13 is still coming out on PS3. GTA4 still came out on PS3. MGS4 is still currently exclusive. GT5 is a sony owned property, so it won't ever come to another system.

Which flagship titles are jumping ship?

[Cartman]

[QUOTE=jluv]Gears of Who? ;) Not a fan.

Are you seriously implying that having a particular exclusive game is better than being a game system (with its own exclusives, mind you) and a player for the latest and greatest form of recorded media?

LOL![/QUOTE]

no just poking fun at you. the whole point of owning a game system is to play the games you enjoy. I can't get all of them on the ps3. Plus when playing games made for both systems the xbox is always better, faster, and works online with out the problems. The ps3 is much more powerful that is for sure but like the last console war the most powerful one doesn't always win. the xbox was stronger than the ps2 but the ps2 was more popular. It looks like sony needs to do something, drop the price or get some better games, or start working on the next console to do battle.

[momo stallion]

[QUOTE=Cartman]It looks like sony needs to do something, drop the price or get some better games, or start working on the next console to do battle.[/QUOTE]

actually Microsoft will need to build their next unit first again. most gaming consoles are given a 5 - 7 year shelf life but analysts gave the ps3 a 10 year life. the ps3 will certainly outlive the 360.

id be surprised if the ps3 hasn't caught up to the 360 in units sold this time next year.

[Cartman]

[QUOTE=momo stallion]actually Microsoft will need to build their next unit first again. most gaming consoles are given a 5 - 7 year shelf life but analysts gave the ps3 a 10 year life. the ps3 will certainly outlive the 360.

id be surprised if the ps3 hasn't caught up to the 360 in units sold this time next year.[/QUOTE]
They say it should be for 10yrs but unless they drop the price or get some better games they will be building a new system soon.

[The Punisher]

[QUOTE=momo stallion]actually Microsoft will need to build their next unit first again. most gaming consoles are given a 5 - 7 year shelf life but analysts gave the ps3 a 10 year life. the ps3 will certainly outlive the 360.

id be surprised if the ps3 hasn't caught up to the 360 in units sold this time next year.[/QUOTE]
with the poor video card that they put into the PS3, that would suck to have a 10yr PS3 life....

[The Punisher]

[QUOTE=DarkWolf]
Actually, the PS3 is now outselling the 360 in all markets (more recently here in the states, but worldwide it's been outselling the 360 almost since it launched). It's still behind, worldwide, but it is catching up. Basically, the only reason the 360 is still ahead of the PS3, is due to being released a year earlier and getting that sales head start. But if you align launch data points, and track sales along a graph, it's quite clear that the PS3 is tracking higher than the 360, meaning at some point (probably late 2009) it will overtake the 360 in worldwide sales, if Microsoft doesn't do something now to stop it.[/quote]PS3 outsold the 360 this past month due to MGS4 effect. Would be the same way if Halo 4 was released this next month. It still doesn't account for the previous months trends of the 360 beating out the PS3 in sales of US and Europe. But if we're including Japan, Japan will buy Sony exclusive tooth brushes if Sony put their names on it. This same forecast that sony will take the lead has been made several times since 2006. Each one saying give it one more year, never happens.
[QUOTE=DarkWolf]
Also, FF going to 360 doesn't conclude the PS3 failed. The only thing you can draw from that is that Squenix likes money, and they're finally realizing that they can make more money by not staying exclusive to one console.[/quote]Yup, and Billy Gates has plenty of it. LOL
[QUOTE=DarkWolf]
People upset by this news, are sad people indeed. The rest of us realize this is a good thing. It means we can pick the platform of our choice, and still get the games we want. Exclusivity is bad for the consumer. [/quote] I agree completely..
[QUOTE=DarkWolf]
If we're going by per capita, the PS3 has a higher attach rate for games than the 360. Also going by per capita, when GTA4 launched, it sold on the PS3 nearly twice as much as the on the 360.[/quote] Link to what study you are going off of? The ones I've read are the exact opposite. Maybe a blu-ray dvd attach rate, if your counting that. B/c the market trend seems to be... "Want a blu-ray player?" "Buy a PS3".... "oh, it plays games too?" "Cool!"
[QUOTE=DarkWolf]
Are you really expecting the PS3 to jump right into the same market share that the PS2 took 7 years to build?[/quote] I don't, but sony definitely is cannibalizing their PS3 by still marketing the PS2. Not saying it is totally a bad thing, b/c they are still selling plenty of PS2s, but the PS3 is definitely not the next gen #1 console as of right now.


[QUOTE=DarkWolf]
As I said before, sales data aligned at each systems launch point, the PS3 is outselling the 360, and has been almost since the beginning.[/quote] again, where is this sales data?

[QUOTE=DarkWolf]
And as far as I know, no title has "jumped ship". That would indicate full on abandonment. FF13 is still coming out on PS3. GTA4 still came out on PS3. MGS4 is still currently exclusive. GT5 is a sony owned property, so it won't ever come to another system.

Which flagship titles are jumping ship?[/QUOTE]GTA was a big flagship title, it jumped. It wouldn't surprise me if MGS jumped either.

[DarkWolf]

[QUOTE=The Punisher]PS3 outsold the 360 this past month due to MGS4 effect. Would be the same way if Halo 4 was released this next month. It still doesn't account for the previous months trends of the 360 beating out the PS3 in sales of US and Europe. But if we're including Japan, Japan will buy Sony exclusive tooth brushes if Sony put their names on it. This same forecast that sony will take the lead has been made several times since 2006. Each one saying give it one more year, never happens.[/quote]

Actually the past 4-5 months the PS3 has outsold the 360 here in the states. Naturally it's outsold the 360 in Japan since the beginning. Unfortunately there's no official tracking for EU sales (like NPD here, and Media Create in Japan), but various publications have had the PS3 outselling the 360 in EU for about a year now.

Here's the 3 consoles, launch aligned, and clearly you can see the PS3 is tracking higher than the 360:
http://vgchartz.com/hwlaunch.php

The PS3 still trails the 360 in overall sales, but if the trend continues (and it likely will if Microsoft doesn't do something soon to try to counter it), the PS3 will overtake the 360 in worldwide sales probably by the end of next year.

Link to what study you are going off of? The ones I've read are the exact opposite. Maybe a blu-ray dvd attach rate, if your counting that. B/c the market trend seems to be... "Want a blu-ray player?" "Buy a PS3".... "oh, it plays games too?" "Cool!"

No need for a study, just look at the NPD numbers posted every month. When GTA4 launched, it sold almost as many units on the PS3 as it did on the 360. Now, since the 360 has over twice the installed base, per capita that means the PS3 has a higher attach rate for GTA4 (almost 2:1 vs. the 360).

You can see all the big multi-platform games every month, they sell almost as many units on the PS3 as they do on the 360. Sometimes more. The 360 may be selling more units, but the PS3 is selling to a higher percentage of it's userbase. We'll see how that pans out when there's parity between the userbase numbers, but for now software on the PS3 generally has a higher attach rate than it does on the 360.

again, where is this sales data?

NPD. They post every month, and gaming sites/blogs obsess over the numbers.

GTA was a big flagship title, it jumped. It wouldn't surprise me if MGS jumped either.

GTA was on Xbox last gen. But that's beside the point. GTA4 is still on the PS3. FFXIII is still on the PS3. Your definition of jumping ship is out of whack.

And no, it wouldn't surprise me either if MGS4 went multiplatform (and to be fair, it too has in the past, with installments on Xbox and Gamecube). It would require 4-6 DVD's, but still...

[edit]Yup, and Billy Gates has plenty of it. LOL

Yes he does, but I doubt MS paid anything to Squenix. They were very forthcoming about paying Rockstar for GTA4 DLC exclusivity. They've not said anything about making any deals with Squenix.

This is a big "win" for MS... if they paid Squenix to port FFXIII, why keep it secret?