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BreedLove
07-09-2008, 10:24 PM
Well it seems the Bullitts speakers are slowly fading so i'm going to be looking to upgrade. I've already got a brand new pioneer premiere headunit and right now I just need to upgrade the front speakers plus tweeters what are some brands y'all have used?
Last5oh
07-09-2008, 10:33 PM
I have JLs in the doors w/ MB Quart tweeters & Pioneers in the back (somehow managed to keep the mach460 look in tact) . . . bought them one by one when I ran across a good deal (out of business sales, friends upgrading, etc) . . . hate paying too much for car audio stuff b/c it's only a matter of time before thieves steal it or it's outdated . . .
NeedleSharp
07-10-2008, 02:29 AM
you have a good point if you are referring to the electronics part of car audio but thats not really an issue...
installed door speakers (including a sub if it is mounted well) are much more difficult to steal/remove than an amp or a HU.
also, speakers dont change TOO much that quickly... of course there are some improvements over time but not nearly as much as amp efficiency and head unit features changing every few years significantly.
buy some used stuff... best advice i can give you.
I currently run Boston Pro 60s (active) up front and JL XR coaxials in the rear (passive with the Boston crossovers). I think it sounds pretty good. It should be even better soon! ;)
I have also used JL TRs and they were pretty good for a cheaper option.
There are many 5x7 component options out there (mb quart, JL audio, etc). You will need to bypass the MACH portion of the system and run the new speakers directly from the Pioneer deck or better yet, buy an amp to drive the factory locations.
momo stallion
07-14-2008, 07:54 AM
6.5" components, no rears. add sub.
bjtheman1
07-14-2008, 08:01 AM
I've got Polk Audio Front's & Rear's (Not components) with a Kicker CompVr 10" sub in the trunk
Sounds pretty good, even with the top down :cool:
Last5oh
07-15-2008, 02:17 PM
you have a good point if you are referring to the electronics part of car audio but thats not really an issue...
installed door speakers (including a sub if it is mounted well) are much more difficult to steal/remove than an amp or a HU.
also, speakers dont change TOO much that quickly... of course there are some improvements over time but not nearly as much as amp efficiency and head unit features changing every few years significantly.
buy some used stuff... best advice i can give you.
True. I've just had some bad experiences . . . tends to happen to all of us.
Used stuff is the way to go . . .
I would not buy used speakers. Speakers are like tires and they wear out from use and abuse. High quality amps are probably the best value used. No moving parts. No wear items. They can still have issues when old, if pounded on, or if they have been really hot from low voltage or low impedance but generally they are ok used.
I would not buy used speakers. Speakers are like tires and they wear out from use and abuse. High quality amps are probably the best value used. No moving parts. No wear items. They can still have issues when old, if pounded on, or if they have been really hot from low voltage or low impedance but generally they are ok used.
Yes! Old school amps FTW! Woohoo! They don't build them like they used to! ;)
Yes! Old school amps FTW! Woohoo! They don't build them like they used to! ;)
Thank goodness. :p
STROKD
07-15-2008, 09:32 PM
Thank goodness. :p
why? The old amps are much better than the new ones. What do we have now ? Tiny super high power no balls having shit amps. The JLs are almost an exception, but still fail compared to an old Mobile Series PG, PPI Art, or Orion anything before about 1999... only real good amps on market imo are Audisons, but they are f-in grip... The good ones are near 2 gs each! :eek:
why? The old amps are much better than the new ones. What do we have now ? Tiny super high power no balls having shit amps. The JLs are almost an exception, but still fail compared to an old Mobile Series PG, PPI Art, or Orion anything before about 1999... only real good amps on market imo are Audisons, but they are f-in grip... The good ones are near 2 gs each! :eek:
Open your eyes and open your mind, man. There are still newer amps on the market now (besides Audison) that are far better than anything that came out back in the 90s. Technology has come a long way. There are still companies that are putting time, money, and energy into R&D, engineering, design, and using new patented technologies that weren't even a dream 10-15 years ago. Sure, a lot of companies are playing the market by mass-producing cheap garbage to sell tons of units online and in big retail stores, but all hope is not lost.
I was a big fan of old school amps myself. I ran a system using 4 PPI (3 of them Audio Art) amps, and they were really nice. I was so set on keeping them that when they finally started crapping out on me after over 10 years, I would send them into the shop for repair. That got expensive, so I finally swapped them out for Slash amps. My only regret is that I didn't do it sooner. These things are solid and have never given me any issues. I use my own processing, but it's nice to know that if I didn't, there is a ton of tunability right there on the amp itself. I recently purchased one of the new JL HD amps (600/4) to replace the A600 running my mids, and I have no doubt that it will blow the PPI amp away in every category.
I'm still a big fan of the old PPI amps, but I'd take a Slash, HD, PDX, etc over an Audio Art amp any day of the week. That goes for anything made in the 90s, for that matter.
I do not believe that technology was better in "the good old days". Since the FTC will not regulate how car amps are rated, any douche can have an amp that says 1000W/ch on it but in reality it is 100W rms @14.4V, 1K, 5% thd and people that buy that crap don't care because they want the cheapest garbage out there. The good stuff has always been expensive and will continue to be that way but with so many garbage products out there, some people are not willing to pony up when they think that 1000Wpainted on the chassis=1000W output. Buy the best you can afford and don't worry about what other people think/say.
STROKD
07-16-2008, 02:00 PM
Open your eyes and open your mind, man. There are still newer amps on the market now (besides Audison) that are far better than anything that came out back in the 90s. Technology has come a long way. There are still companies that are putting time, money, and energy into R&D, engineering, design, and using new patented technologies that weren't even a dream 10-15 years ago. Sure, a lot of companies are playing the market by mass-producing cheap garbage to sell tons of units online and in big retail stores, but all hope is not lost.
I was a big fan of old school amps myself. I ran a system using 4 PPI (3 of them Audio Art) amps, and they were really nice. I was so set on keeping them that when they finally started crapping out on me after over 10 years, I would send them into the shop for repair. That got expensive, so I finally swapped them out for Slash amps. My only regret is that I didn't do it sooner. These things are solid and have never given me any issues. I use my own processing, but it's nice to know that if I didn't, there is a ton of tunability right there on the amp itself. I recently purchased one of the new JL HD amps (600/4) to replace the A600 running my mids, and I have no doubt that it will blow the PPI amp away in every category.
I'm still a big fan of the old PPI amps, but I'd take a Slash, HD, PDX, etc over an Audio Art amp any day of the week. That goes for anything made in the 90s, for that matter.I said JLs are almost an exception... I've heard JLs and they sound good, but I honestly haven't heard them sound better than a PG ZPA or TI... ok, those are LATE 90s early 2K amps, but still holds true... The ZPAs in my dad's car are fucken phenominal, and I haven't heard anything honestly to compete with is EXCEPT the Audison VRx line... The new Focal amps sound DAMN good too, so that is another exception.
I've been in the game a long time too, and worked at a few local shops, so I am not talking out of my ass... I've been into this shit since 1992 when my dad got his first real system in what is now my Porsch. ;) The 3558s in that car are STILL one of the best amps ever made... Even call Alpine and ask them. The techs said they even piss on their $2-3K F1 crap. :rolleyes: If you don't have any clue what a 3558 is, there is no reason in continuing this debate. :o
I said JLs are almost an exception... I've heard JLs and they sound good, but I honestly haven't heard them sound better than a PG ZPA or TI... ok, those are LATE 90s early 2K amps, but still holds true... The ZPAs in my dad's car are fucken phenominal, and I haven't heard anything honestly to compete with is EXCEPT the Audison VRx line... The new Focal amps sound DAMN good too, so that is another exception.
I've been in the game a long time too, and worked at a few local shops, so I am not talking out of my ass... I've been into this shit since 1992 when my dad got his first real system in what is now my Porsch. ;) The 3558s in that car are STILL one of the best amps ever made... Even call Alpine and ask them. The techs said they even piss on their $2-3K F1 crap. :rolleyes: If you don't have any clue what a 3558 is, there is no reason in continuing this debate. :o
Some of your statements are way too broad and biased though. You can name drop all day, but that doesn't validate anything. You lumped all new amps together as being inferior to old school amps, excluding only Audison. You then said JL amps are "almost an exception". I'm not familiar with the 3558, and I'm not going to google it until after I make this post, because I don't care, and it doesn't matter. It changes nothing in the debate. To make a general statement that old school amps are better than all of the new amps is just silly. If you are still "in the game" as heavily as you always have been, you should know that. There is still a lot of really good stuff coming out. Brand new designs and technologies. Breakthroughs in processing and efficiency. There was a lot of junk before and there is even more now, but it really doesn't make sense to lump all the old stuff together or all of the new stuff together, or to deny the fact that there are new amps that perform better than the amps from back in the day. It's constantly evolving. Why wouldn't it? Everything else progresses, but the engineers that make amps for a living haven't learned or applied anything new or better? Did they just decide that amps were too good already and they should start making them crappier? It just doesn't make sense, because it's all an illusion created by your stubbornness and nostalgia for old school stuff.
momo stallion
07-16-2008, 02:31 PM
not really in the mobile audio game anymore but it kinda sounds like you have good old day syndrome.
i think what the early 2000s offered was a plethora of manufacturers. many of them high end. shit like xtant and ppi then there was stuff with cult followings like phoenix gold. back then it was cool to open a magazine and see these brands and people setups. now i couldnt tell you which companies left the game and who turned low end.
is todays stuff better? sure, why wouldnt it be? just look at numbers as far as rms wattage and distortion. the only thing i will say, is i see a lot of UGLY as amps out there.
i know audison is a lot of coin but what about xtant? are they any good still? ppi still makes stuff too.
A lot of good ole day syndrome up in hurrah...but again what do I know just had a few Slash amps with some focal utopia's and poly kevs for my rear fill.
momo stallion
07-16-2008, 02:34 PM
i still sport some alpine v12s. good enough (actually they are chilling in a closet cause i cant afford the alpine w505 head unit) but if i upgrade, i would probably do a digital 5.1 setup. why the hell not?
STROKD
07-16-2008, 04:06 PM
Some of your statements are way too broad and biased though. You can name drop all day, but that doesn't validate anything. You lumped all new amps together as being inferior to old school amps, excluding only Audison. You then said JL amps are "almost an exception". I'm not familiar with the 3558, and I'm not going to google it until after I make this post, because I don't care, and it doesn't matter. It changes nothing in the debate. To make a general statement that old school amps are better than all of the new amps is just silly. If you are still "in the game" as heavily as you always have been, you should know that. There is still a lot of really good stuff coming out. Brand new designs and technologies. Breakthroughs in processing and efficiency. There was a lot of junk before and there is even more now, but it really doesn't make sense to lump all the old stuff together or all of the new stuff together, or to deny the fact that there are new amps that perform better than the amps from back in the day. It's constantly evolving. Why wouldn't it? Everything else progresses, but the engineers that make amps for a living haven't learned or applied anything new or better? Did they just decide that amps were too good already and they should start making them crappier? It just doesn't make sense, because it's all an illusion created by your stubbornness and nostalgia for old school stuff.
I 100% agree, Im just a HUGE PG fan, and when they sold out, I gave up on all new shit. Call me jaded, I still haven't "heard" a new style amp that I like better than the Pre TI PG shit. Sorry, its just how I feel. When I am back in town, please feel free to let me hear your JL system, I'd love to know what a JL Slash and HD amp can jam like, I know you know your shit, I just prefer my old PG stuff to anything that doesn't say VRx on the front of it... those are next on my list when I get the 04 paid for. ;)
I 100% agree, Im just a HUGE PG fan, and when they sold out, I gave up on all new shit. Call me jaded, I still haven't "heard" a new style amp that I like better than the Pre TI PG shit. Sorry, its just how I feel. When I am back in town, please feel free to let me hear your JL system, I'd love to know what a JL Slash and HD amp can jam like, I know you know your shit, I just prefer my old PG stuff to anything that doesn't say VRx on the front of it... those are next on my list when I get the 04 paid for. ;)
Careful now. You'll hear my shit, immediately give all your old school stuff away to Katrina refugees, and then go out and buy a whole mess of brand new amps! :p
ram57ta
07-16-2008, 06:06 PM
19 years ago I picked up an Alpine 3540 (35x2) and installed it in my Monte Carlo to power the 6x9's in the rear deck. Shortly after that I stumbled onto a Linear Power 3002 at a pawn shop and then hooked it up to 2 12's in the trunk. Over the years those 2 amps have seen their way into my 82 Regal, 83 Supra, 83 T-Type, and now my 94 T/A along with picking up a few more Linear's and Alpines for my other vehicles. 19+ years now and Never had a failure yet...still powering my separates and subs. I like my old dated and used Alpines and Linears.
STROKD
07-16-2008, 06:15 PM
Careful now. You'll hear my shit, immediately give all your old school stuff away to Katrina refugees, and then go out and buy a whole mess of brand new amps! :p
Bad ass, lets make it happen... I'm not against upgrading. ;) but it's gonna say VRx on the top of it, or I'll wait...
i stay away from the main stream.
try out some hertz hsk165 or focal utopia's.... thats what i have in each of the vehicles
ram57ta
07-16-2008, 11:54 PM
For speakers I have found a lot of satisfaction in the MB Quart Q series, Boston Acoustics Pro's...and for bass....I've tried JL, Fosgate, Infiniti, MTX, Kicker, Alpine....hell it would be easier to name the ones I haven't tried. I've had the best success using an old Rockford Fosgate HX (power series) 10". I tried the JL W6 series when they first came out and blew out 3 of them (admittedly using an Epicenter) so the shop owner handed me this Fosgate that I've had now for about 8 years. Still pounds out the bass and sounds great.
Bad ass, lets make it happen... I'm not against upgrading. ;) but it's gonna say VRx on the top of it, or I'll wait...
I'll bring my magic marker.
STROKD
07-17-2008, 12:41 PM
I'll bring my magic marker.
You sure are confident for someone that doesn't even know what I would be basing your car against. :eek: Must be a bad ass system.
BTW, turn your EQ to flat, I have one and can tune as well, I want to hear what it sounds like with no help. :p
You sure are confident for someone that doesn't even know what I would be basing your car against. :eek: Must be a bad ass system.
BTW, turn your EQ to flat, I have one and can tune as well, I want to hear what it sounds like with no help. :p
It's not a confidence thing at all. I'm totally just joking around with you. There are far more advanced systems out there than I would ever even attempt to build. I have zero intention of ever competing with my stuff. On that note, 100% of it was installed by me in my garage/driveway with pretty basic hand tools, and I do take pride in that.
There's nothing really special about my setup. In fact, to a lot of folks it falls short one way or another because my goal with it was to get "pretty loud" and still sound "pretty good". I didn't focus on SPL or SQ and am kinda trying to walk the line in the middle, which is tough. Heck, I owe a lot of the SQ to the tuning, so why take that out? None of my equipment is uber-expensive. My front speakers and my subs were both chosen for their ability to get loud and still sound decent, which falls right in line with my goals. I do think if you hear it you will have to agree that it does indeed fit that description. I will say that you've probably heard better SQ vehicles and you've probably heard much louder vehicles, but maybe you won't have heard vehicles that sound better than mine while getting as loud, or vice versa. I make no other claims.
We can make the EQ flat but not the crossovers. It's really just been tuned by my ears anyway, and I'm half deaf from years and years of playing music way too loud. It may sound like junk to you, but it won't be because I'm not using old school amps instead. lol
i mix my old skool stuff with new skool.
in my jeep. vr1000d on an fi 10 bl. and a lanzar optidrive 2100 on some hertz hsk 165. i have a video of some flexing in my jeep if u want to see it
http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i188/money_25/_MG_2742.jpg
http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i188/money_25/_MG_2342.jpg
http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i188/money_25/_MG_2733.jpg
some old skool stuff laying around. u can say i have a problem collecting high end audio. ill be putting together an old skool competition car soon mixed with todays subs and mids/highs on old skool amps
http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i188/money_25/_MG_2478.jpg
http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i188/money_25/_MG_2465.jpg
http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i188/money_25/_MG_2397.jpg
http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i188/money_25/_MG_2404.jpg
no thats not an audiobahn sub in the bottom pic
STROKD
07-17-2008, 04:22 PM
It's not a confidence thing at all. I'm totally just joking around with you. There are far more advanced systems out there than I would ever even attempt to build. I have zero intention of ever competing with my stuff. On that note, 100% of it was installed by me in my garage/driveway with pretty basic hand tools, and I do take pride in that.
There's nothing really special about my setup. In fact, to a lot of folks it falls short one way or another because my goal with it was to get "pretty loud" and still sound "pretty good". I didn't focus on SPL or SQ and am kinda trying to walk the line in the middle, which is tough. Heck, I owe a lot of the SQ to the tuning, so why take that out? None of my equipment is uber-expensive. My front speakers and my subs were both chosen for their ability to get loud and still sound decent, which falls right in line with my goals. I do think if you hear it you will have to agree that it does indeed fit that description. I will say that you've probably heard better SQ vehicles and you've probably heard much louder vehicles, but maybe you won't have heard vehicles that sound better than mine while getting as loud, or vice versa. I make no other claims.
We can make the EQ flat but not the crossovers. It's really just been tuned by my ears anyway, and I'm half deaf from years and years of playing music way too loud. It may sound like junk to you, but it won't be because I'm not using old school amps instead. lol
lol I love your comments... you take the long elloquant (sp?) way around to making your punchline.
Im not about loud, I could give two shits if its loud, my first and only concern is how GOOD it sounds. If its accurate and smooth, and it happens to get loud as well, then that is great, but I don't concern myself with loud cause well, I don't play my shit loud but maybe 10 minutes a time I drive the car... I would defintely like to hear your stereo, and I will more than likely be impressed, but I would have it 100% tuned for SQ and not worry about the SPL. I just buy big powered amps and good speakers, and tune the rest. My TL had stock speakers, radio, and no EQ, and it still sounded DAMN good... ;) I haven't had a system since, but now I am getting ready to start my Cobra (round 1 of tunes).
STROKD
07-17-2008, 04:24 PM
Slam, you have some great amps, I loved the Opti Lanzars and the HCCAs... I have a 250 and 2100 Digital Ref from 1999 new in boxes myself. Only have about 1 hour on each of em to make sure they work. :D
Matt...what competitions have you entered and won at IASCA and USACi that I may have atteneded since you are the SQ god up in here. I wasn't aware your ears were that in tune.
lol I love your comments... you take the long elloquant (sp?) way around to making your punchline.
Im not about loud, I could give two shits if its loud, my first and only concern is how GOOD it sounds. If its accurate and smooth, and it happens to get loud as well, then that is great, but I don't concern myself with loud cause well, I don't play my shit loud but maybe 10 minutes a time I drive the car... I would defintely like to hear your stereo, and I will more than likely be impressed, but I would have it 100% tuned for SQ and not worry about the SPL. I just buy big powered amps and good speakers, and tune the rest. My TL had stock speakers, radio, and no EQ, and it still sounded DAMN good... ;) I haven't had a system since, but now I am getting ready to start my Cobra (round 1 of tunes).
Ya, it may not be as SQ oriented as you would like, and it's deifnitely not an SPL vehicle. I must admit that I like ridiculous bass too much to go for straight SQ, but I care about SQ enough to never build a big burp machine tuned to 50 hz. It's how I like it though, and yet still a continuous work in progress. Also, it's quite a gadget-mobile, so that's another reason why I'm not interested in dumping a LOT more money into it just to get a little bit better sound out of it. It sounds great to me so I like to throw money at it in other areas.
That said, it's currently in the process of having more custom interior work done to it that may result in my current enclosure not fitting anymore. If that happens, I'll be forced to go down in size and may go with something like W6s or W7s.
STROKD
07-17-2008, 05:10 PM
Matt...what competitions have you entered and won at IASCA and USACi that I may have atteneded since you are the SQ god up in here. I wasn't aware your ears were that in tune.
I never competed, it was for fun, didn't have the money for million dollar installs...
I use RTAs, AudioControl 30 band digital ones with a mic on the headrest, not the dash to meassure SPL.
I forgot the Part # but they are about 2-3Gs. I wouldn't say I am a god, but I've never had someone tell me my stereo sounds like shit. ;)
I've never had a complete system in TX. The one in my 86 was closest to it, but the car was too loud, and it was just throw together from bits out of my Saleen... It sitll sounded pretty fair though, but about 1/3 as good as my Saleen or Integra did that I had done about 10-13 years back.
I've helped with cars with the 30 band EQ as well. ;)
1-Over-Z
07-17-2008, 05:16 PM
When I switched form the stock Mach460 headunit in my 98 to a JVC Exad, the stock speakers sound like they are new. You can also get a decent 10" sub in the back and run the stock speakers through a highpass filter. Sounds great. If you got a sub I would get a toby camfire (for the box) and replace his 200w sub with a 500 or 600w sub. That's what I did.
I've helped with cars with the 30 band EQ as well. ;)
my 30 band eq per left and right channel and xover i get to tinker with :eek:
STROKD
07-17-2008, 05:24 PM
I've helped with cars with the 30 band EQ as well. ;)
Sick, I'd like to hear your stereo sometime too... Focals FTW! Did you hear the system in my dad's vert? It's not tuned (EQ isnt in car yet), but sounds pretty decent for a vert.
Sick, I'd like to hear your stereo sometime too... Focals FTW! Did you hear the system in my dad's vert? It's not tuned (EQ isnt in car yet), but sounds pretty decent for a vert.
That car is long gone. I don't even have an aftermarket Deck in any of my 3 vehicles. :( I have expensive tastes and just dont' want to deal with another install again.
my 30 band eq per left and right channel and xover i get to tinker with :eek:
I sat in some of those cars and some of the finer tuning I couldn't tell that much of a difference.
STROKD
07-17-2008, 05:34 PM
I sat in some of those cars and some of the finer tuning I couldn't tell that much of a difference.
yea i think its nice to a point, but you really gotta have a RTA to tweak it dead nuts.
STROKD
07-17-2008, 05:36 PM
That car is long gone. I don't even have an aftermarket Deck in any of my 3 vehicles. :( I have expensive tastes and just dont' want to deal with another install again.
thats sucks you got rid of it all... I have almost 3 full systems I could install, and they are all in storage. :rolleyes: I got a new amp and W7 on the way, so Ill start with that in my Cobra with my IVA and PXA... should sound decent after I rewire the sorry ass stock amps.
oh heres a pic of my 31 band eq... thought it was a 30
http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i188/money_25/_MG_2404-1.jpg
yea I can tell a difference. just have to train ur ears and know what to listen for. some ppl really cant tell a diff or dont really care too. its kinda like having a good quality tv and one thats better. hard to tell a diff unless theyre next to each other
ram57ta
07-17-2008, 07:00 PM
30 band EQ's are cool to impress and I'm sure they can be set up over time to produce great sound but I chose a more simple approach and I think it sounds pretty good when set up properly. Audiocontrol EQL series II 2 channel stereo EQ. I have it connected directly to my Alpine head unit, and then the outputs of the EQ feed a 2XS 2 channel crossover which is mounted on the rear of the EQ (piggybacked...you cant see it). The 2XS outputs go to my 2 alpine 30x2 amplifiers....1 for the front Quart separates up front and the other feeding the Quart separates in the rear..and the low channel feeds the Epicenter, and then from there it goes to the Linear 3002 for the sub. Its simple, sounds great even with the tops off and windows down. Wont win any SQ contests, and definitely wouldn't win an SPL contest...but everyone thats ridden in it says its among the best they've heard. Best part is I installed it all in my garage.
nice! i use to have the clear case one back in the day. only problem i had was engine noise :( nice set up
30 band EQ's are cool to impress and I'm sure they can be set up over time to produce great sound but I chose a more simple approach and I think it sounds pretty good when set up properly. Audiocontrol EQL series II 2 channel stereo EQ. I have it connected directly to my Alpine head unit, and then the outputs of the EQ feed a 2XS 2 channel crossover which is mounted on the rear of the EQ (piggybacked...you cant see it). The 2XS outputs go to my 2 alpine 30x2 amplifiers....1 for the front Quart separates up front and the other feeding the Quart separates in the rear..and the low channel feeds the Epicenter, and then from there it goes to the Linear 3002 for the sub. Its simple, sounds great even with the tops off and windows down. Wont win any SQ contests, and definitely wouldn't win an SPL contest...but everyone thats ridden in it says its among the best they've heard. Best part is I installed it all in my garage.
Your Epicenter is in the wrong place. The Epicenter really should be first out of the deck but definitely before the crossover. The Epicenter uses upper frequency harmonics to reproduce lower frequencies. By putting it after the lowpass filter in the 2XS(90Hz?), you are cutting off the frequency range it needs to see.
Also, I know your stuff is older, but the EQS is a better option for most people today since it has Front, Rear, Sub input and output, you can retain balance, fade, and subvolume from the head unit unlike the EQSII, AND 99% of amps have adjustable crossovers built in these days so no need for the 2XS.
i stay away from the main stream.
try out some hertz hsk165 or focal utopia's.... thats what i have in each of the vehicles
Make no mistake, all non-main stream brands want to be main stream since that is where the money is. It is an evolution of a brand.
Introduce new brand.
Get dealers to sell (BUILD) new brand-no competition from other dealers, web, etc=$$$
Put products in the hands of GOOD installers who know how to make a car sound good, win competitions.
Underground secret-core fans, customer think they know something special
more dealers, more demand, becoming more known
become main stream-wide recognition, core fans off to new underground brand- bank
sell out to some other company
repeat
I'm not afraid of main stream. Products are good or they are not. Are there main stream products that suck? Yes. Are there mainstrem products that are great? Yes.
Make no mistake, all non-main stream brands want to be main stream since that is where the money is. It is an evolution of a brand.
Introduce new brand.
Get dealers to sell (BUILD) new brand-no competition from other dealers, web, etc=$$$
Put products in the hands of GOOD installers who know how to make a car sound good, win competitions.
Underground secret-core fans, customer think they know something special
more dealers, more demand, becoming more known
become main stream-wide recognition, core fans off to new underground brand- bank
sell out to some other company
repeat
I'm not afraid of main stream. Products are good or they are not. Are there main stream products that suck? Yes. Are there mainstrem products that are great? Yes.
i just dont want want what everyone has.
i just dont want want what everyone has.
So you would rather maybe pay more or (possibly) have inferior products just so you don't have what the next guy has? It may or may not sound good but I don't care what brand it is, if it sounds good to my ears.
i just dont want want what everyone has.
I don't care if a million people have the exact same thing as me as long as it does what I want it to do. To each his own!
momo stallion
07-18-2008, 10:27 AM
anyone have an feedback on any digital multi-channel amps? something that accepts 5.1 via fiber optic cable with decent output. maybe the alpine mrad-550 or something similar?
i have a fair amount of stuff sitting around that i can put in the aviator but i kinda rather try something new.
STROKD
07-18-2008, 11:14 AM
i just dont want want what everyone has.
Just roll up some KD60 Focals, and you'll be in a world of your own... :eek:
Of course the system might very well cost more than your car, but hey, you will be DIFFERENT! :p
On a side note, I found my pops a TiDEQ last night on ebay for 305 bucks... mother f-in yea, his verts gonna sound kick ass soon. :D
Anyone want to buy a brand new Phoenix Gold EQ-230 we never got around to installing? Its black with the crinkle coating and white lettering...
Just roll up some KD60 Focals, and you'll be in a world of your own... :eek:
Of course the system might very well cost more than your car, but hey, you will be DIFFERENT! :p
On a side note, I found my pops a TiDEQ last night on ebay for 305 bucks... mother f-in yea, his verts gonna sound kick ass soon. :D
Anyone want to buy a brand new Phoenix Gold EQ-230 we never got around to installing? Its black with the crinkle coating and white lettering...
does this have a line drive as well? i know the eq215x does.
i just dont want want what everyone has.
Which is exactly my point. It is the same with bands. People like a band that is virtually unknown and it is their little secret. The band blows up and everyone likes them so some fans abandon them and go on to the next secret band. Same.
I don't care if a million people have the exact same thing as me as long as it does what I want it to do. To each his own!
So you would rather maybe pay more or (possibly) have inferior products just so you don't have what the next guy has? It may or may not sound good but I don't care what brand it is, if it sounds good to my ears.
no i dont want what everyone has. do u want to wear the same clothes as as a friend to some function and be twinkies.... i hope not! i take my car audio serious.
most of the main stream products(subs) are over rated....ie: jl, alpine. I can name a few subs/amps that cost less but sounds better then the w7 or w6. if u like it fine, but dont expect me to. all i can do id advise u to try something a lil better and maybe even save u some money doing so.
im not buying something at BB,CC, or some of these local dealers sells. why? cause I do my research, listen to it, then purchase what I LIKE. and for some odd reason its never the main stream product. im sure if u listen to what i do, ull most likey agree. not cause im right but because i can point out the cons and pros. im not the avg person that buys avg sound systems. ive been trained and taught to like the better things. im not saying im better in neway... im saying i have friends that won it all and passed their knowledge to me. i can also say ive won many trophies. not from these small town competitions but from places like world of wheels back in the day...
Which is exactly my point. It is the same with bands. People like a band that is virtually unknown and it is their little secret. The band blows up and everyone likes them so some fans abandon them and go on to the next secret band. Same.
i understand, but when they go main stream most product lose their quality why?
i understand, but when they go main stream most product lose their quality why?
Do they?
Some do because they are pressured by the mass merchants to make cheaper and cheaper product. Many of those companies still make high end product but the cheapest stuff with their name on it becomes the reference of weather they are good anymore or not. If you're saying company X that has a $99 coax sucks because the $99 coax is not that great BUT they also have a $999 component that is fantastic then do they suck or are they fantastic? I think you have to weigh each model on it's own pluses/minuses rather than a blanket statement of company X sucks or rules.
It is interesting that (all, most, many) subs are compared to the W7 but they are always "cheaper and better" than the W7. Why? When will the underground product be the item that everyone compares to?
no i dont want what everyone has. do u want to wear the same clothes as as a friend to some function and be twinkies.... i hope not!
LOL. If I put on something I feel comfortable in and I show up somewhere and someone is dressed the same, I don't give a shit. I thought only chicks worried about that. :confused:
i take my car audio serious.
You're not the only one around here that does.
most of the main stream products(subs) are over rated....ie: jl, alpine.
LOL. If you say so man. Usually when someone says that it's because they don't want to shell out the cash for their higher end lines. They aren't the cheapest, but that's okay because they don't strive to be. Their good stuff is worth every penny in my opinion.
I can name a few subs/amps that cost less but sounds better then the w7 or w6.
That's subjective. Maybe it sounds better to you, but that really means nothing to anyone besides you.
if u like it fine, but dont expect me to. all i can do id advise u to try something a lil better and maybe even save u some money doing so.
See what you did there? You don't want anyone to expect you to like something that they like, but you turn around and say you would advise them to try something "better", when again, "better" is all relative. Just because you like it doesn't mean you should expect others to like it.
im not buying something at BB,CC...
Yuck. Me niether.
ive been trained and taught to like the better things. im not saying im better in neway... im saying i have friends that won it all and passed their knowledge to me. i can also say ive won many trophies. not from these small town competitions but from places like world of wheels back in the day...
Okay bud. You're some kind of car audio God and the rest of us are pions who don't know anything about putting together a good sounding sound system. :rolleyes:
I don't give a damn what equipment people want to use if it satisifes them. I worry about my own stuff and make sure that I'm satisifed with what I purchase, and I'm happy for everyone else that does their thing. It's just funny to me to see so many people who always dis JL and Alpine and some of the other more expensive stuff that's been around for decades. I'm firmly convinced that most of the time it's because they aren't willing to cough up the dough for it. I'm not saying you fall into that category, but you're certainly not putting yourself into an exclusive group, because you're right there with all of the other "non-bandwagon" bandwagoners.
My Alpine and JL equipment performs beautifully, and is worth every red cent I've spent on it. I have zero regrets, and will continue to purchase their equipment because it's done me right for so many years. I doubt that you could expose me to much cheaper stuff, or even equally priced stuff that would encourage me to change my mind, but I'm always willing to hear another well-planned setup. My eyes, ears, and mind are wide open. It just seems like yours aren't when you automatically discredit certain brands that carry a very solid reputation.
STROKD
07-18-2008, 01:23 PM
does this have a line drive as well? i know the eq215x does.
yes 8 volt RMS line driver, forgot to mention. I'm not 100% sure, but this unit may be a EQ-232, I do know it was one of the last 30 band slide units PG made. We just don't need it.
yes 8 volt RMS line driver, forgot to mention. I'm not 100% sure, but this unit may be a EQ-232, I do know it was one of the last 30 band slide units PG made. We just don't need it.
how much
LOL. If I put on something I feel comfortable in and I show up somewhere and someone is dressed the same, I don't give a shit. I thought only chicks worried about that. :confused:
You're not the only one around here that does.
LOL. If you say so man. Usually when someone says that it's because they don't want to shell out the cash for their higher end lines. They aren't the cheapest, but that's okay because they don't strive to be. Their good stuff is worth every penny in my opinion.
That's subjective. Maybe it sounds better to you, but that really means nothing to anyone besides you.
See what you did there? You don't want anyone to expect you to like something that they like, but you turn around and say you would advise them to try something "better", when again, "better" is all relative. Just because you like it doesn't mean you should expect others to like it.
Yuck. Me niether.
Okay bud. You're some kind of car audio God and the rest of us are pions who don't know anything about putting together a good sounding sound system. :rolleyes:
I don't give a damn what equipment people want to use if it satisifes them. I worry about my own stuff and make sure that I'm satisifed with what I purchase, and I'm happy for everyone else that does their thing. It's just funny to me to see so many people who always dis JL and Alpine and some of the other more expensive stuff that's been around for decades. I'm firmly convinced that most of the time it's because they aren't willing to cough up the dough for it. I'm not saying you fall into that category, but you're certainly not putting yourself into an exclusive group, because you're right there with all of the other "non-bandwagon" bandwagoners.
My Alpine and JL equipment performs beautifully, and is worth every red cent I've spent on it. I have zero regrets, and will continue to purchase their equipment because it's done me right for so many years. I doubt that you could expose me to much cheaper stuff, or even equally priced stuff that would encourage me to change my mind, but I'm always willing to hear another well-planned setup. My eyes, ears, and mind are wide open. It just seems like yours aren't when you automatically discredit certain brands that carry a very solid reputation.
LOL u stick to what u like if thats what u want. and ill do the same. im no god and dont claim to be. Let me know if u ever compete so i can check out ur stuff. im not gonna argue whats better... cause its really in the install,placement,box,tuning,etc.....
Do they?
Some do because they are pressured by the mass merchants to make cheaper and cheaper product. Many of those companies still make high end product but the cheapest stuff with their name on it becomes the reference of weather they are good anymore or not. If you're saying company X that has a $99 coax sucks because the $99 coax is not that great BUT they also have a $999 component that is fantastic then do they suck or are they fantastic? I think you have to weigh each model on it's own pluses/minuses rather than a blanket statement of company X sucks or rules.
It is interesting that (all, most, many) subs are compared to the W7 but they are always "cheaper and better" than the W7. Why? When will the underground product be the item that everyone compares to?
i agree... thats why i said most and not all
LOL u stick to what u like if thats what u want. and ill do the same.
Right on.
Let me know if u ever compete so i check check out ur stuff.
I don't have any plans to compete, ever.
NeedleSharp
07-18-2008, 03:37 PM
im glad this turned into a brand war
all this guy asked was what brand speakers/tweaters to put in his car... no sub, no amp, blah blah...
start another forum and argue about brands... i will go and read it as well! just dont jack this poor mans thread! give your input and "move along sir..."
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