E-Pol/Halovar Tracking

[SALEEN449]

Started E-pol/Halovar Thursday the 12th. I have been taking it with 2 doses of Cellmass a day and NoExplode on training days. Working out three times a week....Sun chest and tris, tues back and bi, and thurs is legs and shoulders. Started out at 183 lbs and hit 200 this morning. Amazing strength gains. This stuff is really impressive. If the first two weeks are like this, I can't wait to finish the cycle to see the end result. I'll try to track down a before pic and take some after ones so you guys can see what this stuff is capable of.

Thanks Greg!!

[HECDOGGIE]

Sweet. I am going to do Halovar/TRN-X ...

I am a lil soft when it comes to supplements, I dont
want to damage the body..

Now I went from 190 (stocky) to 172, I am wanting to go up to 190 again,
however, want to be solid.. I hope it works!

I would like to see result pics!!!!

[black2002ls]

Sweet. I am going to do Halovar/TRN-X ...

I am a lil soft when it comes to supplements, I dont
want to damage the body..

Now I went from 190 (stocky) to 172, I am wanting to go up to 190 again,
however, want to be solid.. I hope it works!

I would like to see result pics!!!!
I started taking just TRN-X on...Friday. I've gained 3 pounds already and have noticed increase in strength.

[347Mike]

I started taking just TRN-X on...Friday. I've gained 3 pounds already and have noticed increase in strength.

Nice.. Im to much of a chicken shit to try it though.

[SALEEN449]

BTW....I have not noticed any sides to this point....outside of maybe being a little dehydrated but that's my own fault for not taking in enough water.

[GRAYHORSE]

lol, at all the people that said i was full of shit about the gains. You'll put over 50lbs on your bench easy if you havent already.

Your weight will probably level off soon but the stregth will keep going up!! :cool:

Dont try to do more than the 4 week cycle and start your PTC around 3 days left to go...

[HECDOGGIE]

I started taking just TRN-X on...Friday. I've gained 3 pounds already and have noticed increase in strength.



How does it mentally make you feel? Jittery? Anxious? Irratable?

I am starting my cycle tomorrow

[GRAYHORSE]

How does it mentally make you feel? Jittery? Anxious? Irratable?

I am starting my cycle tomorrow


You wont feel anything like that. Just increased appetite and strength in the gym really.

[black2002ls]

How does it mentally make you feel? Jittery? Anxious? Irratable?

I am starting my cycle tomorrow

I was a tad worried about some mention of moodiness. Though I haven't experienced any. If anything, I am much happier, due in part to eating healthier and being more active

[SALEEN449]

Oh yeah....plan on spending a shitload of money on food. Forgot to mention that part...

[HECDOGGIE]

Oh yeah....plan on spending a shitload of money on food. Forgot to mention that part...


Good food right?

did you notice gains in strength? I just started my cycle today, i dont know if it has anything to do with it, but I feel amped up and ready to go 120

[DON SVO]

Good food right?

did you notice gains in strength? I just started my cycle today, i dont know if it has anything to do with it, but I feel amped up and ready to go 120

Fuck yeah... Using that shit I would seriously aim for a 2:1 protein gram/pound of weight ratio while using this stuff. Also, it's going to cut recovery time down a bunch as well, so you can squeeze in extra workouts or do more sets. If you're gonna do it, consider it 4 weeks of constant working out, constant eating, sleep as much as possible, no drinking.

[HECDOGGIE]

Fuck yeah... Using that shit I would seriously aim for a 2:1 protein gram/pound of weight ratio while using this stuff. Also, it's going to cut recovery time down a bunch as well, so you can squeeze in extra workouts or do more sets. If you're gonna do it, consider it 4 weeks of constant working out, constant eating, sleep as much as possible, no drinking.


Why no drinking? just curious?



*****OH, today at the gym i did chest/tris. I would start out slow
and want to kill my reps towards the end, its like i got stronger
towards the end vs when I started, I wanted to keep hitting it. ****

[The Raven]

Why no drinking? just curious?

Besides having a negative effect on natural test production, and converting into sugar in the body (makes you fat), alcohol also taxes your liver. All oral steroids, OTC or not, are also hard on your liver, so drinking while taking them is doubly bad.

[92gt]

My workout partner is taking this stack right now. In 10 days he has gotten a lot stronger. I was sort of skeptical at first, always thought the real deal was the way to go, but I am a believer now. We didn't max before, but have worked out together for a while now. (@1.5 yrs) He never has had more stamina or strength than me, not one day. Until now. Guess I need to crank up the Dbol. :D

He has gone from 208 to 215 in a week or so.

[GRAYHORSE]

My workout partner is taking this stack right now. In 10 days he has gotten a lot stronger. I was sort of skeptical at first, always thought the real deal was the way to go, but I am a believer now. We didn't max before, but have worked out together for a while now. (@1.5 yrs) He never has had more stamina or strength than me, not one day. Until now. Guess I need to crank up the Dbol. :D

He has gone from 208 to 215 in a week or so.


In 10days it's just getting started. :D

[SALEEN449]

up to 205 at the two week point.....

[GRAYHORSE]

up to 205 at the two week point.....

More importantly, how are the strength numbers coming...

[SALEEN449]

dumbbell bench up to 90 ea vs 65 I started with. Everything else is much stronger...I don't keep a log....sorry.

[SALEEN449]

dress shirts no longer fit in the neck area. My appetite is STILL increasing. I'll be 215 by the end of this if this continues...;)

[SALEEN449]

Biceps and back was last night. Used 100lb bent bar for preachers 4 X10. This stuff is great.....and I still have about a week to go!!

[GRAYHORSE]

Biceps and back was last night. Used 100lb bent bar for preachers 4 X10. This stuff is great.....and I still have about a week to go!!

Awsome!
Make sure to take the PCT and wait at least 3 months before trying again.

Oh yeah, when they ask tell your friends where to buy it. :D

[SALEEN449]

up to 210 as of this morning....gonna have to track down some before pics....this shit is great!!

[black2002ls]

Awsome!
Make sure to take the PCT and wait at least 3 months before trying again.

Oh yeah, when they ask tell your friends where to buy it. :D
I haven't been completely briefed on the proper way to cycle. I'm doing just TRN-X but I would assume it is the same for all of them. I should start my PCT about 3 days before the end of my TRN correct? Then I should wait about 3 months to do another cycle?

[SALEEN449]

I haven't been completely briefed on the proper way to cycle. I'm doing just TRN-X but I would assume it is the same for all of them. I should start my PCT about 3 days before the end of my TRN correct? Then I should wait about 3 months to do another cycle?


That's my understanding of it.

[5.0LiterRiceEater]

I haven't been completely briefed on the proper way to cycle. I'm doing just TRN-X but I would assume it is the same for all of them. I should start my PCT about 3 days before the end of my TRN correct? Then I should wait about 3 months to do another cycle?

Do you have your pct yet? I'm sure greyhorse can hook you up. I'm taking Clomid cause i already have it on hand.

[black2002ls]

Yeah, I've got my PCt. I told Greg to send me what ever he recommends.

[GRAYHORSE]

I haven't been completely briefed on the proper way to cycle. I'm doing just TRN-X but I would assume it is the same for all of them. I should start my PCT about 3 days before the end of my TRN correct? Then I should wait about 3 months to do another cycle?

Yep, that will do it.

You guys are all making some awsome gains! :cool:

[GRAYHORSE]

I cant remeber who all was waiting but i have a couple E-Pol's now in stock.

[Skidmark]

Just ordered some TRNX/PCT, NOX, and protein... time to get busy!

Thanks for working w/ me gray...

[347Mike]

Just ordered some TRNX/PCT, NOX, and protein... time to get busy!

Thanks for working w/ me gray...


:eek:

[Strychnine]

Just ordered some TRNX/PCT, NOX, and protein... time to get busy!

Thanks for working w/ me gray...

You do know you're going to actually have to go to the gym, right? :p

[The Big Matt]

Just ordered some TRNX/PCT, NOX, and protein... time to get busy!

Thanks for working w/ me gray...

I hear that shit works wonders while just laying on the couch in your batman underoos

[347Mike]

Im letting Brien be the test Dummy on this one. I want to see TRN-X results first hand and then, just maybe, ill go out on the limb and buy some.

[nevko05]

I just received my trn-x stack yesterday (just ordered and it took only 1 day :eek: ) now got to spend some more time in the gym. got my stats and pics before I start ;)
Thanks Greg

[Skidmark]

You do know you're going to actually have to go to the gym, right? :p

Orlly? I hear you guys have quite a system over there at 24 hour. Everytime one person gets done with their reps, everyone slaps each other on that ass :confused:

[mikecobra95]

Daym Skip! That is crazy results! You were my size when you started. I am 6'1" and got my weight down to 181lbs right now. I just ordered some basic Whey, Cr-2, and BCAA's from Greg. I'll see how those do for me starting enxt week!

Seeing any side effects from your stack yet?

[SALEEN449]

Finished the cycle today and hit 213 lbs. Had a slight issue with loss of libido over the past week or so but I started the Restore 2 days ago and I already feel that "cumming" back. ;)
Hit a personal best on leg press last night. 4x8x525. Will be posting pics soon. Greg....what do you think about ripping this up with some Tri-Lean now??

[GRAYHORSE]

So you gained 30lbs. :eek: haha

Crazy man, Tri-Lean is backorder right now AGAIN. I will have the new Venom Hyperdrive on Monday though.

[SALEEN449]

Tri-lean is OK for women right??? My wife was wanting something to help her tone up a bit.....can you put me down for 2 of them?? When do you expect them??

[GRAYHORSE]

Tri-lean is OK for women right??? My wife was wanting something to help her tone up a bit.....can you put me down for 2 of them?? When do you expect them??


Yes, it's marketed for women. It could be a couple weeks. I never know with them ALRI folks. :confused:

I just sold my last 5 yesterday and today.

[SALEEN449]

Put me down for two and drop me a line when you get them!!!

[02blkstang]

Awsome!
Make sure to take the PCT and wait at least 3 months before trying again.

Oh yeah, when they ask tell your friends where to buy it. :D
Sorry maybe stupid question but what is PCT?

[Skidmark]

Put me down for two and drop me a line when you get them!!!

B4 and after pics?

[SALEEN449]

post cycle therapy....puts your natural hormone levels back in check....

[SALEEN449]

B4 and after pics?


I'll take them tonight or this weekend.

[Skidmark]

I'll take them tonight or this weekend.

Sounds good... where do you see the weight being put on the most?

[SALEEN449]

you just want to see me with my shirt off.....

most of the weight is in the upper body....chest and shoulders

[Skidmark]

you just want to see me with my shirt off.....

most of the weight is in the upper body....chest and shoulders

Wrong.

I am starting tomorrow and am just a bit curious.

Asshole. :p

[SALEEN449]

I am starting tomorrow and am just a bit curious.

Asshole. :p


Go buy food. Lots and lots of food. Protein is good. You will see.

[mikecobra95]

Good work Skip! You must look totally different than the last time I saw you!

I'll ask again..... Any side effects.....?????

[SALEEN449]

see post #38 Mike...;)

[mikecobra95]

see post #38 Mike...;)



Sorry bro, breezed right over that!

that is not a cool side effect. Excuse my lack of knowledge here, but I am just trying to inform myself on this stuff. So I gotta ask questions, and who better than friends to ask with experience???

Any temper changes that you noticed? Any issues doing cardio? Acne? Stomach or body cramps? Anything at all bad?

Either way I don't know if this is just a legal steroid or what? I am just now getting back into working out and going to take just good old protein, creatine, and BCAA's

Great work though man, must feel amazing to make that big of a change! I told Cody bout it and he was at a loss for words. We need to see pics, or just meet up one night and hang out.

[SALEEN449]

Sorry bro, breezed right over that!

that is not a cool side effect. Excuse my lack of knowledge here, but I am just trying to inform myself on this stuff. So I gotta ask questions, and who better than friends to ask with experience???

Any temper changes that you noticed? Any issues doing cardio? Acne? Stomach or body cramps? Anything at all bad?

No temper changes. No cardio issues. Little bit of a breakout on my temples but nothing that can not be taken care of. No cramps.

Either way I don't know if this is just a legal steroid or what? I am just now getting back into working out and going to take just good old protein, creatine, and BCAA's

I would start working out using conventional methods and use this to overcome a plateau phase. I will try to get pics up soon. I was trying to get into a salon to have a tan painted on before I posted pics on the web but I guess you are just going to have to deal with the pastiness that is me....:)

Great work though man, must feel amazing to make that big of a change! I told Cody bout it and he was at a loss for words. We need to see pics, or just meet up one night and hang out.

.

[bullet]

Awesome results. I started the same stack today.

[SALEEN449]

before pic....sad I know...

[SALEEN449]

after pics...still sad...but headed in the right direction

[GRAYHORSE]

haha, wow. Just 4 weeks. :cool:

[SALEEN449]

haha, wow. Just 4 weeks. :cool:

I was VERY pleased. Wife is kind of fond of the new body too...;)

[GRAYHORSE]

I was VERY pleased. Wife is kind of fond of the new body too...;)

For real, that's just crazy man. It takes most people years to make that progress honestly. I know E-Pol/Halo is a good stack but damn. You're gains were even pretty lean.

[SALEEN449]

Thanks. I'm interested to see what the Tri-Lean will do. I'd like to have some two year shots that look like yours from Lockout....holy shit.

[SALEEN449]

For real, that's just crazy man. It takes most people years to make that progress honestly. I know E-Pol/Halo is a good stack but damn. You're gains were even pretty lean.


Hopefully be some good advertising for you....

[Skidmark]

Damn dude! That is pretty amazing... good job!

I'm on day 2 - let's see what the future holds for me :)

[SALEEN449]

Damn dude! That is pretty amazing... good job!

I'm on day 2 - let's see what the future holds for me :)


You'll love it!

[nevko05]

I'm also on my second day..... :D

[ruffdaddy]

Excellent gains! I can't wait to see what this stuff will do to me. (EDIT: Taking TRN-X vs your stack, But a PH non the less)

Oh, and you'd be amazed at what a tan will do to better "Show-off" those gains. Luckily im naturally tanish, but there's nothing wrong with hitting the tanning beds. Hell, i do it when i have a severe hangover, or when lake season is approaching! There's lots of hotties at the place i go as well. (flame on guys...haha)

[mikecobra95]

Holy shit Skip! Great job man. That's just ridiculous.......

[SALEEN449]

Excellent gains! I can't wait to see what this stuff will do to me. (EDIT: Taking TRN-X vs your stack, But a PH non the less)

Oh, and you'd be amazed at what a tan will do to better "Show-off" those gains. Luckily im naturally tanish, but there's nothing wrong with hitting the tanning beds. Hell, i do it when i have a severe hangover, or when lake season is approaching! There's lots of hotties at the place i go as well. (flame on guys...haha)


I own a tanning bed. I just tend to burn more so than tan....so my wife gets more use out of it than me. I'm going to have to try one of the spray on or airbrush ones....

[SALEEN449]

Holy shit Skip! Great job man. That's just ridiculous.......


now I just need another 20-25 lbs or so and tone it up a bit and I think I will be happy with that.

[mikecobra95]

now I just need another 20-25 lbs or so and tone it up a bit and I think I will be happy with that.


What are you bro... crazy??? Another 20 pounds on that and you will look like a cartoon, lol. I am 6'1" and I'd be happy at 210lbs I think if it were just more mass. I am currently 182lbs.

Started on Whey, Cr-2, BCAA's and vitamins this week. Not gonna gain like you but I am trying:)

[SALEEN449]

What are you bro... crazy??? Another 20 pounds on that and you will look like a cartoon, lol. I am 6'1" and I'd be happy at 210lbs I think if it were just more mass. I am currently 182lbs.

Started on Whey, Cr-2, BCAA's and vitamins this week. Not gonna gain like you but I am trying:)


Not crazy....just tired of being skinny. You'll be amazed at how much 210 will spread out on your frame. I did not think I would still look this "thin" at 215.

I need to get some BCAA's from Greg. Thanks for reminding me....

[mikecobra95]

Not crazy....just tired of being skinny. You'll be amazed at how much 210 will spread out on your frame. I did not think I would still look this "thin" at 215.

I need to get some BCAA's from Greg. Thanks for reminding me....


We'll see. I don't know if I'd ever get that much mass on me...... Although seeing your change I think I could with some help.

The weights are the easy part this week, remembering all the damn pills and protein shakes is the hard part, lol.

[SALEEN449]

Mike....where do you work out at?? You still live in my neck of the woods right??

[SALEEN449]

We'll see. I don't know if I'd ever get that much mass on me...... Although seeing your change I think I could with some help.

The weights are the easy part this week, remembering all the damn pills and protein shakes is the hard part, lol.


I did not think so either, but with some help for Grayhorse it worked.

As far as the pills go, I set alarms on my cell phone. Protein shakes for me is one right when I get up in the morning and one right before I hit the sack.

[mikecobra95]

Mike....where do you work out at?? You still live in my neck of the woods right??


Yes sir, I am up off 35 and 287. Cody lives with me as well. I work out at my job, we have a full gym here and it is 10 times better than going to 24 hour off Western Center. Not to mention over half the price cheaper. I do need a workout partner though to push to the next level. Whatever is above skinny, that's what I'm going for, lol

[SALEEN449]

I'm at the 24 hr right there. sun morns, tues eves and thurs eves.

[Badass2000gt]

I'm at the 24 hr right there. sun morns, tues eves and thurs eves.
I'll probably buy this stack from greg. Hopefully I will see results like yours. :)

[bullet]

Finished the cycle today and hit 213 lbs. Had a slight issue with loss of libido over the past week or so but I started the Restore 2 days ago and I already feel that "cumming" back. ;)
Hit a personal best on leg press last night. 4x8x525. Will be posting pics soon. Greg....what do you think about ripping this up with some Tri-Lean now??



Keep us updated on your weight. I am curious how much weight you keep off cycle.

[SALEEN449]

214 as of this morning

[SALEEN449]

217 this morning

[Doug Hatton]

What happened to the pics? I'd like to see the difference...

[SALEEN449]

checkout lockoutforums.com....weight is down to 207 right now....most of it water loss.

[bullet]

checkout lockoutforums.com....weight is down to 207 right now....most of it water loss.

You lost 10 pounds in 1 day ?


:eek:

[GodsLs1]

did u take any liver support? epol drains u and shuts u down hard. cant imagine why anyone would add a 4th pro hormone to a stack. It does put on about 10 lbs though :D

[PhatdowninTx]

I would never mess with those Pro Hormone pills, unless your into hardcore body building and can manage the right diet. Halovar and EPol will fuck your joints and ligaments up nicely if your not doing the right things on them. Wait till your off cycle and see how your shoulders and knees feel.

PS. Drink massive amounts of water, take milk thistle and or Saw Palmetto b/c the EPOL has a basic amount of estrogen/liver protectors and Halovar has none. Good Luck.

[GRAYHORSE]

did u take any liver support? epol drains u and shuts u down hard. cant imagine why anyone would add a 4th pro hormone to a stack. It does put on about 10 lbs though :D


E-Pol is only 2 compounds, 1 being non methyl and even has some liver support in it. Halovar is 1...

I count 3.

[SALEEN449]

I am off cycle and have been for a couple weeks now. Yes I lost about 10 lbs in a day....but my tone in the muscle looks much drier right now. Not to mention I took several record setting shits in that time period....if you must know;)

[SALEEN449]

I would never mess with those Pro Hormone pills, unless your into hardcore body building and can manage the right diet. Halovar and EPol will fuck your joints and ligaments up nicely if your not doing the right things on them. Wait till your off cycle and see how your shoulders and knees feel.

PS. Drink massive amounts of water, take milk thistle and or Saw Palmetto b/c the EPOL has a basic amount of estrogen/liver protectors and Halovar has none. Good Luck.


I drink 4-6 liters of water a day. I don't drink sodas and I don't drink alcohol.

[GRAYHORSE]

I am off cycle and have been for a couple weeks now. Yes I lost about 10 lbs in a day....but my tone in the muscle looks much drier right now. Not to mention I took several record setting shits in that time period....if you must know;)


Lets not forget that you jumped straight on the Tri-Lean weight loss kit during post cycle. haha

[SALEEN449]

is that bad? because it seems to be working and my strength(at least to this point) has not really tapered off since I got off the cycle. My wife wanted to do the trilean with me....so I really did not have a choice ;)

[GRAYHORSE]

is that bad?


Well, i'd want to keep my gains. You look good, if it was me i'd just keep hitting it hard with the PCT, Bcaa's, and Creatine.

Save the Tri-Lean for cutting before vacation or something. :D

[SALEEN449]

who said I wasn't on creatine, bcaa's, the PCT and 300-400g of protein a day(which by the way is hard as fuck to keep up...especially on trilean)

[SALEEN449]

I have just changed my diet to limit most of my bad fat intake....and to keep my carbs down as much as I can while still having enough juice in me to workout.....and to stay awake at work(secondary function of course). :)

[Stangin4Lyfe]

I would never mess with those Pro Hormone pills, unless your into hardcore body building and can manage the right diet. Halovar and EPol will fuck your joints and ligaments up nicely if your not doing the right things on them. Wait till your off cycle and see how your shoulders and knees feel.

PS. Drink massive amounts of water, take milk thistle and or Saw Palmetto b/c the EPOL has a basic amount of estrogen/liver protectors and Halovar has none. Good Luck.

Greg,
What's your input on this?
Not sure what "doing the right things" are(he might mean working out)?


I messed with a pro-hormone stack back when I was 19yrs old(trying to get swole
the quick/easy way), but this was back in the andro/norandro days, and that stuff
honestly F-ed my body up(too much estrogen).
Are estrogen blockers needed with this stuff(like the juice)?

[SuperWho?]

Greg,
What's your input on this?
Not sure what "doing the right things" are(he might mean working out)?


I messed with a pro-hormone stack back when I was 19yrs old(trying to get swole
the quick/easy way), but this was back in the andro/norandro days, and that stuff
honestly F-ed my body up(too much estrogen).
Are estrogen blockers needed with this stuff(like the juice)?
I don't think they need it, but you could just go get some chrysin or you could just eat alot of broccoli, because it has phtyochemicals that convert estrogen naturally to test, thats the main reason you see so many bodybuilders eating broccoli with everything. The andro norandro days were good, but this stuff seems to be better without having to over do it.

I never had any joint/ligament pain after any cycle, legal or no. My guess is it was from overtraining.

[SALEEN449]

Greg,
What's your input on this?
Not sure what "doing the right things" are(he might mean working out)?


I messed with a pro-hormone stack back when I was 19yrs old(trying to get swole
the quick/easy way), but this was back in the andro/norandro days, and that stuff
honestly F-ed my body up(too much estrogen).
Are estrogen blockers needed with this stuff(like the juice)?


The information on the joints/ligaments can be correct. As with any supplement/AAS that is going to make you put on mass and gain strength in a manner not naturally intended by your body....you could face ligament/joint problems because the do not grow and strengthen as fast as the muscles while you are on this stuff. It's just something you have to be aware of and make sure you are on the right support meds and not overdoing it on training. Your joints/ligaments will eventually catch up.

The issue you had with your prohormone use was probably due to the fact you ignored the label. Most of them have warnings for use by people 21 and up and the reason being prior to 21....your normal hormone levels are still bouncing all over the place trying to stabilize for adulthood. You went ahead and introduced a prohormone that causes a huge increase in test production and wonder why your body stopped normal test production and started converting to estrogen. I would imagine at 19 you did not have a PCT set up either right? Not making fun, but it seems like you have pretty good knowledge about supplements/lifting/gym stuff etc.

[GRAYHORSE]

Greg,
What's your input on this?
Not sure what "doing the right things" are(he might mean working out)?


I messed with a pro-hormone stack back when I was 19yrs old(trying to get swole
the quick/easy way), but this was back in the andro/norandro days, and that stuff
honestly F-ed my body up(too much estrogen).
Are estrogen blockers needed with this stuff(like the juice)?


Of coarse Estrogen Blockers are needed, that's what is in the PCT.

[Stangin4Lyfe]

So why wouldn't you take any Arimidex or novadex throughout the cycle?
Instead of PCT = post cycle

[SALEEN449]

So why wouldn't you take any Arimidex or novadex throughout the cycle?
Instead of PCT = post cycle

Post-cycle therapy (PCT) is a drug/diet regimen used by anabolic steroid users to counteract and minimize post-steroid hypogonadism. The goal is to restore normal endogenous sex hormone production (typically testosterone) after steroid use is discontinued, thereby preserving the muscle and strength gains made during steroid use and minimizing side effects such as decreased libido and depression. Due to the harsh nature of some anabolic steroids on the liver (particularly oral, methylated steroids), PCT is also used to help cleanse the liver and ultimately prepare it for handling another cycle.


When exogenous dosages of synthetic testosterone are high, the body will shut down its own natural production of testosterone by reducing the luteinizing hormone. LH typically stimulates the Leydig cells in the testicles to produce testosterone. As a result of down regulated testosterone production, the testicles atrophy (shrink). Post Cycle Therapy (PCT) is recommended to restore natural testosterone production as quickly as possible to support the new muscle gains.

[Stangin4Lyfe]

The information on the joints/ligaments can be correct. As with any supplement/AAS that is going to make you put on mass and gain strength in a manner not naturally intended by your body....you could face ligament/joint problems because the do not grow and strengthen as fast as the muscles while you are on this stuff. It's just something you have to be aware of and make sure you are on the right support meds and not overdoing it on training. Your joints/ligaments will eventually catch up.

The issue you had with your prohormone use was probably due to the fact you ignored the label. Most of them have warnings for use by people 21 and up and the reason being prior to 21....your normal hormone levels are still bouncing all over the place trying to stabilize for adulthood. You went ahead and introduced a prohormone that causes a huge increase in test production and wonder why your body stopped normal test production and started converting to estrogen. I would imagine at 19 you did not have a PCT set up either right? Not making fun, but it seems like you have pretty good knowledge about supplements/lifting/gym stuff etc.
You are correct...I was young and a rookie at working out.
All I cared about was being able to preacher curl 115lbs and bench 350lbs(biceps are one of my favs).
I've learned a lot in 9yrs of being in the gym.
Yea, I know a bit, but I try not to comment that much...because like I said...everyone's a F-in know-it-all.

[PhatdowninTx]

If I was ever to take a Pro Hormone again, I would definitly use Estrogen blockers. And what I meant about doing the right things is, eating right, drinking water only, right amount of sleep, and taking a good multi vitamin to replace all the minerals lost from the pills.

[SALEEN449]

<----not a know it all by any means...I learn new shit every day. I just try to stay well read on this stuff. And I'll always take pointers.

[Stangin4Lyfe]

Post-cycle therapy (PCT) is a drug/diet regimen used by anabolic steroid users to counteract and minimize post-steroid hypogonadism. The goal is to restore normal endogenous sex hormone production (typically testosterone) after steroid use is discontinued, thereby preserving the muscle and strength gains made during steroid use and minimizing side effects such as decreased libido and depression. Due to the harsh nature of some anabolic steroids on the liver (particularly oral, methylated steroids), PCT is also used to help cleanse the liver and ultimately prepare it for handling another cycle.


When exogenous dosages of synthetic testosterone are high, the body will shut down its own natural production of testosterone by reducing the luteinizing hormone. LH typically stimulates the Leydig cells in the testicles to produce testosterone. As a result of down regulated testosterone production, the testicles atrophy (shrink). Post Cycle Therapy (PCT) is recommended to restore natural testosterone production as quickly as possible to support the new muscle gains.

LOL, Skip...I have google too!
:D

I was simply asking why is nothing being taken DURING the cycle(as in to convert/block estrogen levels),
not afterwards to regain natural test levels.

[Stangin4Lyfe]

If I was ever to take a Pro Hormone again, I would definitly use Estrogen blockers. And what I meant about doing the right things is, eating right, drinking water only, right amount of sleep, and taking a good multi vitamin to replace all the minerals lost from the pills.
Oh, well that's a given, duh!
If you do something do it 110% or go home.

[SALEEN449]

While on cycle the AAS/prohormone is either providing or forcing your body to provide a large amount to testosterone into your system. When you come off, your body has been accustomed to having that drug either place test directly into your system or boosting it and may have problems reestablishing production on it's own.

I don't think most people have a problem with estrogen aromitization until after the cycle because of this. Now i have heard of some that have experienced gyno mid cycle and needed to go into PCT early while on this stuff, but from what I understand that is rare.

And yes google is my friend! :)

[SALEEN449]

Oh, well that's a given, duh!
If you do something do it 110% or go home.

If I was ever to take a Pro Hormone again, I would definitly use Estrogen blockers. And what I meant about doing the right things is, eating right, drinking water only, right amount of sleep, and taking a good multi vitamin to replace all the minerals lost from the pills.



Might want to make sure you lift some weights too....I heard that helps. ;)

[PhatdowninTx]

Lol, yea forgot to mention that also. :cool:

[GRAYHORSE]

While on cycle the AAS/prohormone is either providing or forcing your body to provide a large amount to testosterone into your system. When you come off, your body has been accustomed to having that drug either place test directly into your system or boosting it and may have problems reestablishing production on it's own.

I don't think most people have a problem with estrogen aromitization until after the cycle because of this. Now i have heard of some that have experienced gyno mid cycle and needed to go into PCT early while on this stuff, but from what I understand that is rare.

And yes google is my friend! :)


Glad you could figure that out.
Nobody's going to take anti estrogen during a 4 week PH cycle haha, well except Phatdown i guess.
You dont need anti estrogen till your body starts building free test again.

[GodsLs1]

acorrding to my calculations epol consist of Superdrol (pro hormone), Epistane (pro hormone) and Fenigenx (prohormone). Halovar = Turnabol precurser (legit stuff but prescurer, therefore Prohormone). Now to each his own, but i wouldnt recommend taking all of em together. The liver protection in epol isnt a high enough mg to protect anything. Adding more milk thistle helps. From my experience (not stating yours will be) but epol shut me down completely as far as test production/sex drive. Just giving my opinion and knowing who makes the epol personally, it has enough without the halovar to do what u want to do.

[GRAYHORSE]

acorrding to my calculations epol consist of Superdrol (pro hormone), Epistane (pro hormone) and Fenigenx (prohormone). Halovar = Turnabol precurser (legit stuff but prescurer, therefore Prohormone). Now to each his own, but i wouldnt recommend taking all of em together. The liver protection in epol isnt a high enough mg to protect anything. Adding more milk thistle helps. From my experience (not stating yours will be) but epol shut me down completely as far as test production/sex drive. Just giving my opinion and knowing who makes the epol personally, it has enough without the halovar to do what u want to do.


Your calculations are wrong, go do more research on E-Pol. That's the old version.
You know them personally and dont even know what's in it? :confused: Give them a call before you give out false lables of Purus Labs.

[GodsLs1]

well purus doesnt exist anymore. and the formula hasnt changed. Epols on the ban list and halovar is discontinued. if you dont agree with the prohormones i stated r in it research each one. telling someone to take all 4 of these products is like testing your body to see if you get heart, liver and kidney failure. :rolleyes:



Estra-4 9-Diene-3 17-Dione 2a- Finigenx

17a-Dimethyl-5-supplementst-3-One, 2a - Superdrol

3a-Epithio-17a-Methyletioallocholanol - Epistane

so whats in the new formula?

[GRAYHORSE]

well purus doesnt exist anymore. and the formula hasnt changed. Epols on the ban list and halovar is discontinued. if you dont agree with the prohormones i stated r in it research each one. telling someone to take all 4 of these products is like testing your body to see if you get heart, liver and kidney failure. :rolleyes:


And you know the owner. :rolleyes:

Purus does exist and over 3000 bottles of halovar have been sold in the last couple months along with over 1000 bottles of E-Pol.

Neither is discontinued.

No, i dont agree because that's not what is in E-Pol. Why dont you ask one of these guys to post up what's on the bottle since you wont believe me. 10mg of Superdrol is only thing you have right and it's only 2 compounds.

Are pulling this stuff out your ass?

[GodsLs1]

The supply of epol being sold is just backstock companies have ordered. Places like bodybuilding.com have already sold their stock and advertise it being discontinued. Halovar is still in surplus but again hes not producing it, just letting the current supplies run out.

[GRAYHORSE]

The supply of epol being sold is just backstock companies have ordered. Places like bodybuilding.com have already sold their stock and advertise it being discontinued. Halovar is still in surplus but again hes not producing it, just letting the current supplies run out.


Go buy a new bottle from Shawn at Nautilus and ask him if it's discontinued. hahaha

He knows the owner, you dont.

Incase the "owner" didnt tell you Organ Shield is back too. How do i know this stuff???

[GodsLs1]

lol the "owner" sold purus to his partner. Shawn doesnt know anything about pro hormones other then what he asks "the owner". Your trying to win a pissing contest and not paying attention to the arguement. There is no reason to take 4 pro hormones.

[GRAYHORSE]

lol the "owner" sold purus to his partner. Shawn doesnt know anything about pro hormones other then what he asks "the owner". Your trying to win a pissing contest and not paying attention to the arguement. There is no reason to take 4 pro hormones.

There is only person right here. You have the old formula and that's the arguement. You said is know longer around yet now you say it's sold to his partner. And now Organ Shield comes back out from this company that's know longer around.

E-Pol contains

2a-17a-dimethyl-5-androst-3-one (Superdrol)
estra-4,9-diene-3,17-dione (Tren) non methyl

That's it, no Epistan.

Im not trying to win anything just state the real facts. :confused:

[GodsLs1]

im not debating a new formula, or that the new owner wont keep making stuff under purus labs. But i have yet to see anywhere where this new formula ur claiming is being sold. the epol anyone is going to purchase online at this current time is the "old" formula. regardless of whatever is stuck into the "new" formula as u claim theres no reason to stack those PH with another PH.

[GRAYHORSE]

im not debating a new formula, or that the new owner wont keep making stuff under purus labs. But i have yet to see anywhere where this new formula ur claiming is being sold. the epol anyone is going to purchase online at this current time is the "old" formula. regardless of whatever is stuck into the "new" formula as u claim theres no reason to stack those PH with another PH.


The old shit was sold out of everywhere a long time ago.

The new stuff is the only thing being sold. Like i said there is over 1000 bottles scattered around the US, anywhere you see E-Pol being sold, it's the new version.
Im not trying to argue with you here, just letting you know it's changed.

[GodsLs1]

nautilus sells old version and have yet to see a "new version'.

http://www.supplementwarehouse.com/viewitem.asp?idproduct=159244 - old version

http://www.tfsupplements.com/store/cart.php?m=product_detail&p=628 old version

these are two, theres not a ton of websites carrying it anymore. again I have yet to see anyone selling this "new" version. if you can find one id be happy to try it out. not saying it doesnt exist.
I liked epol and will try the new version if i can find it, but for the readers above i would not recommend taking the "old' version with any other PH.

[GRAYHORSE]

nautilus sells old version and have yet to see a "new version'.

http://www.supplementwarehouse.com/viewitem.asp?idproduct=159244 - old version

http://www.tfsupplements.com/store/cart.php?m=product_detail&p=628 old version

these are two, theres not a ton of websites carrying it anymore. again I have yet to see anyone selling this "new" version. if you can find one id be happy to try it out. not saying it doesnt exist.
I liked epol and will try the new version if i can find it, but for the readers above i would not recommend taking the "old' version with any other PH.

Go to Nautilus, read the back of a new bottle and say oh shit im wrong.
Both those sites had "out of stock" a month ago. I will bet you $200 if you order one from either site it will be the NEW version i listed.
Hell, call them and ask them to read the lable. They just havent updated their website.

[GodsLs1]

according to the worker who just closed the 4 bottles that are up there, r the old formula :confused: ill check in person tomorrow and get back with ya.

[SALEEN449]

I just so happen to have a "few" bottles lying around. Here is the label:

Ingredient
Epithiopropional proprietary matrix 40mg
(estra-4,9-diene-3,17-dione,2a-17a-dimethyl-5-androst-3-one)
Liver shield proprietary blend 175mg
(milk thistle, alpha lipoic acid, n-acetyl cysteine)

That's it. No more. No less.

[SALEEN449]

well purus doesnt exist anymore. and the formula hasnt changed. Epols on the ban list and halovar is discontinued. if you dont agree with the prohormones i stated r in it research each one. telling someone to take all 4 of these products is like testing your body to see if you get heart, liver and kidney failure. :rolleyes:



Estra-4 9-Diene-3 17-Dione 2a- Finigenx

17a-Dimethyl-5-supplementst-3-One, 2a - Superdrol

3a-Epithio-17a-Methyletioallocholanol - Epistane

so whats in the new formula?


What bottle are you looking at??? Because that is sure as hell not epol. At least not one of the five bottles I have sitting here.

[GRAYHORSE]

I just so happen to have a "few" bottles lying around. Here is the label:

Ingredient
Epithiopropional proprietary matrix 40mg
(estra-4,9-diene-3,17-dione,2a-17a-dimethyl-5-androst-3-one)
Liver shield proprietary blend 175mg
(milk thistle, alpha lipoic acid, n-acetyl cysteine)

That's it. No more. No less.


Wow, that looks like what i posted. :D

[GodsLs1]

Heres what the label reads on the current bottles at nautilus.



Serving Size 1 Tablet
Servings Per Container 60

Amount Per Serving % Daily Value

Epithiopropional Proprietary Matrix 40 mg

(Estra-4,9-diene,17-dione, 2a-17a-dimethyl-5-androst-3-one,2a,3a-epithop-17a-methyletioallocholanol)

Liver Shield Proprietary Blend 175mg
(Milk Thistle, Alpha Lipioic Acid, N-Acetyl Cysteine)

*% Daily value not established

[SuperWho?]

Heres what the label reads on the current bottles at nautilus.



Serving Size 1 Tablet
Servings Per Container 60

Amount Per Serving % Daily Value

Epithiopropional Proprietary Matrix 40 mg

(Estra-4,9-diene,17-dione, 2a-17a-dimethyl-5-androst-3-one,2a,3a-epithop-17a-methyletioallocholanol)

Liver Shield Proprietary Blend 175mg
(Milk Thistle, Alpha Lipioic Acid, N-Acetyl Cysteine)

*% Daily value not established
now, for some reason, that formula looks familiar, i can't think of where i've seen it before... ;)

[SALEEN449]

mine is the same....just minus the last part.

[GodsLs1]

I did happen to dig deeper in the cabinet and found the "new" bottle. with the one string missing. so they have both, I asked the maker he said its same stuff diff label? so i dunno. I still wouldnt take the old stuff with another ph though :D