*Pro Hormone Ban effective tomorrow*

[GRAYHORSE]

Anyone stocking up? The hearing is tomorrow.
Here is a short list of some of the ones that will fall under the new ban.

Wont be able to get any of these anymore.


ProHormone BAN Proposal as of June 24, 2008
HERE is the official PDF for the ban.
http://rapidshare.com/files/11735225...n-doj.pdf.html

Supplements on the list to be banned:
4Ever Fit D-Drol
ALRI Ergomax
American Cellular Labs TREN-Xtreme
American Cellular Labs MASS-Xtreme
American Cellular Labs MMA-3-Xtreme
Anabolic Formulation Halo-T
Anabolic Formulation TrenaPLEX
AX Pheraplex
AX Ergomax
ANC Rage
APS Nutrition Ultra Mass Stack
Black China Labs Straight Phlexed
Black China Labs Super Flex
Black Dragon Labs Testanate 50
Black Dragon Nutrition TRENV-700
BCS Labs Halo-Tren 400
BCS Labs Testra-Flex
CEL P-Plex
Chapparal Labs Pheravol-V
CTD Labs Decabolen
CTD Trenbolen
DNA Testadrol 50
EST Phera-Vol
Evolution Labs Omnevol
Evolution Labs Sustevol
Evolution Labs ANEVOL
Fast Action D-Stianizol
Fast Action MD1T
Fast Action Monster Pack
Fast Action Trena
Finamax
Fizogen On Cycle Hardcore II
Generic Labz Phera Max
Genetic Edge Technologies SUS500
G.E.T. Phera 50
G.E.T. Tren 250
Genetic Excel(GXL)Original HD
Growth Labs P-Max
Harcore Formulations T-Roid
IDS Ripped Tabs
IDS Sostenol 250
iForce 1,4 AD BOLD 200
iForce BOLD
Infinite Labs CycloTren
Intense Nutraceuticals Epiotren
Intense Nutraceuticals Tri Bolic
Juggernaut Nutrition Phera-Bol
Juggernaut Nutrition Tren X
Kilo Sports Phera-Mass
KiloSports Trenadrol
Molecular Nutrition Boldione
Myogenix(TCC) 17-Methyl X
Myogenix(TCC) Spawn
Myogenix(TCC) Xtreme Tren
Pharma Resources Pheragen
Pharmagenx Finigenx Magnum
Purus Labs E-Pol
Rockhard Formulations Razorbolic
Rockhard Formulations Equitren
Serious Nutrition Solutions Methyl-Plex XT
Tokkyo Stack
Tokkyo EQ
Tokkyo Tren
Tokkyo Methyl X

[black2002ls]

I don't see the TRN-X or magnadrol on there, or am I missing them. Didn't see anything from BOSC

[GRAYHORSE]

I don't see the TRN-X or magnadrol on there, or am I missing them. Didn't see anything from BOSC


Yes, all Tren is being banned, and Magnadrol has ergomax in it so it will be banned also. Not all companies are on the list. It goes by the compound.

All Superdrols, Trens, Phera plex, Epi are going out....

[black2002ls]

Yes, all Tren is being banned, and Magnadrol has ergomax in it so it will be banned also. Not all companies are on the list. It goes by the compound.

All Superdrols, Trens, Phera plex, Epi are going out....

Damnit. Looks like I need to stock up fast.......

[GRAYHORSE]

Damnit. Looks like I need to stock up fast.......


That's what everyones doing. :D

[black2002ls]

That's what everyones doing. :D

hopefully you don't run out before I get the cash

[347Mike]

Please forgive my ignorance on this subject.
But can someone please, explain exactly what a Pro Hormone is in stupid terms for me? I was talking to someone about this as they recommended it to me and they said (Dont quote me) its not a steroid but your body turns it into a steroid. It will also have similar affects as a steroid. Is this accurate? (Not that i doubt you, just didnt want to throw your name out there. you know who you are :D )

I was thinking about taking a "Pro Hormone" but if i hear steroid or anything like that in the same sentence, then its not for me.

As i mentioned earlier, please forgive my ignorance on this.

[GRAYHORSE]

yes, just call it an oral seriod for "simple terms"

yes, you can get steriod effects from them along with sides if not used correctly.

[8mpg]

are your prices going up? Id like to get something before its to late.

[GRAYHORSE]

are your prices going up? Id like to get something before its to late.

No, i should be the cheapest anywhere! More you buy the cheaper also.

What are you looking for... :cool:

[347Mike]

How much do these go for?

[GRAYHORSE]

How much do these go for?


In stores they range from $59-100 plus tax for a bottle. Maybe higher now because of the demand. Im usally around $20+ cheaper on each.

[8mpg]

No, i should be the cheapest anywhere! More you buy the cheaper also.

What are you looking for... :cool:

Goals are lean mass...I already need to lose a good 10lbs of fat. Im currently 17-18% bodyfat (impedance meter). 175lbs 5'8.5". I have been meaning to order some but worried about PCT stuff. I wont be taking these till August/September. Im currently cutting trying to get my BF down. Just did a 4 week bulk (I know its short) but I put on about 12lbs (2lbs fat 10lbs muscle)

[dsrtuckteezy]

Goals are lean mass...I already need to lose a good 10lbs of fat. Im currently 17-18% bodyfat (impedance meter). 175lbs 5'8.5". I have been meaning to order some but worried about PCT stuff. I wont be taking these till August/September. Im currently cutting trying to get my BF down. Just did a 4 week bulk (I know its short) but I put on about 12lbs (2lbs fat 10lbs muscle)

You're talking about getting your hands on a SERM for pct correct? shoot me a PM and I'll point you in the right direction.

[8mpg]

You're talking about getting your hands on a SERM for pct correct? shoot me a PM and I'll point you in the right direction.

Will do...not to sure I need a full SERM but a good PCT is recommended.

[GRAYHORSE]

Goals are lean mass...I already need to lose a good 10lbs of fat. Im currently 17-18% bodyfat (impedance meter). 175lbs 5'8.5". I have been meaning to order some but worried about PCT stuff. I wont be taking these till August/September. Im currently cutting trying to get my BF down. Just did a 4 week bulk (I know its short) but I put on about 12lbs (2lbs fat 10lbs muscle)


TRN-X or Halovar are the leanest mass gainers i have.

[Cammin4V]

a ban until they come out with something new....

give it a few months and they will have something else out there doing the exact same thing if not more.

great way to boost business though...

[GRAYHORSE]

a ban until they come out with something new....

give it a few months and they will have something else out there doing the exact same thing if not more.

great way to boost business though...


Technically it's just a hearing for a proposed ban shortly after. However they are getting smarter and trying to cover ALL the gray areas. The days of pro-hormones could come to an end soon.

Exact same? No, people are stocking up on Tren and Phera Plex products because they work so good, and they will no longer be available ever.

[ruffdaddy]

Technically it's just a hearing for a proposed ban shortly after. However they are getting smarter and trying to cover ALL the gray areas. The days of pro-hormones could come to an end soon.

Exact same? No, people are stocking up on Tren and Phera Plex products because they work so good, and they will no longer be available ever.
Have you ever used any of these products? I've seen your posts enough to trust your opinion on these things. I used to toy with the idea in powerlifting, but never took any prohormones or anabolics period because of the sided and law.

[GRAYHORSE]

Have you ever used any of these products? I've seen your posts enough to trust your opinion on these things. I used to toy with the idea in powerlifting, but never took any prohormones or anabolics period because of the sided and law.


I used TRN-X 9 months ago and it was killer for sure. I like to try one 1 time a year.

I see many amazing results on a daily basis from TRN-X/Magnadrol and Epol/Halovar stacks however.

[ruffdaddy]

I used TRN-X 9 months ago and it was killer for sure. I like to try one 1 time a year.

I see many amazing results on a daily basis from TRN-X/Magnadrol and Epol/Halovar stacks however.
any sides?

[Sean88gt]

Who is pushing the ban?

[8mpg]

Who is pushing the ban?
FDA? I believe they are always the ones banning stuff.

Prohormones are like designer steroids. They are just a bit off from anabolic steroids. Its much like how ecstasy is made

[GRAYHORSE]

any sides?


I only had one side. Around week 3 to 4 i had some loss in sex drive. It came right back with my post cycle treatment however.

Sean-FDA pushes the ban. Takes them a year or so to find out what's in them. :D

[ruffdaddy]

I only had one side. Around week 3 to 4 i had some loss in sex drive. It came right back with my post cycle treatment however.

Sean-FDA pushes the ban. Takes them a year or so to find out what's in them. :D

Thanks for your honesty man! I may be interested in purchasing some stuff from you (im guessing from this thread you sell correct?). Lean mass building, light cycle. Let me know what ya got player!

[ruffdaddy]

FDA? I believe they are always the ones banning stuff.

Prohormones are like designer steroids. They are just a bit off from anabolic steroids. Its much like how ecstasy is made

Serious question not my typical smart ass bash...haha:

How does the manufacture of prohormones and ecstasy relate in comparison?

Or are you referring more to the body's transformation of "active ingredients"?

[8mpg]

Serious question not my typical smart ass bash...haha:

How does the manufacture of prohormones and ecstasy relate in comparison?

Or are you referring more to the body's transformation of "active ingredients"?

Both are engineered to be just a bit off from the already banned/illegal substance formula.

I dont know exact chemical names but here is an analogy.

Say an anabolic steroid that is illegal is made of: AABAABAABAAB
Well the chemists modify it by just a little bit, say: AABAABAABAAC and now it is legal. The same thing has happened over the years with ecstasy. The government bans a known chemical formula, then a chemist comes out with a new one with a slight change in the molecular structure and now the FDA has to research identify the new molecular formula and start the whole banning process again.

Thats why Cammin4v said these will be banned and in a couple months a new one will come out. Im sure the chemists behind these large companies are constantly working on a new formula because they know their current marketed formula is going to be banned. Its a game.

[Sean88gt]

Why go lite then? Just make regular steroids available.

[DON SVO]

Why go lite then? Just make regular steroids available.
Because the 'lite' stuff is typically just as effective as many of the oral steroids that you can get ahold of: your body will convert these into known steroids due to enzymatic interference. They're precursors, and the chemists have figured out how to achieve a natural conversion.

On the flip side... True steroidal compounds are readily available with just a few searches online, Sean. You can buy any steroid you want from Europe. Locally, almost every gym has "the guy" to talk to if you "want to get big quick"... my point is that with the pro-hormone market where it's at, constantly adjusting molecular strands and staying just ahead of the FDA pull is a smart company's agenda. Obviously, true AAS are going to be one compound composition that cannot be changed: they are active Class III drugs, they have been designed for their intended purpose (lots of steroids are used by veterinarians on horses, for example) and as such they have been outlawed and are already made illegal. Producing them in any form for non-prescribed sale is illegal and therefore suicidal. However, by producing a steroidal precursor compound that the body readily converts into a steroid is genius: the number of combinations is unknown at the present time, and they will keep producing them until the FDA gets smarter and finds a way to illegalize the production itself.

[5.0LiterRiceEater]

GRAYHORSE sent my shit in the mail today. :D

[347Mike]

Don, you sure know your shit.

Thats why im surprised that you really think im taking a "steroid". :D :rolleyes:

[Sean88gt]

Damn Don...are you The Guy?
I don't think you're big enough to mule the product though:D

[GRAYHORSE]

Damn Don...are you The Guy?
I don't think you're big enough to mule the product though:D


No, i am the guy for any legal supplements. Im not that big, but bigger then Don. :D

[Sean88gt]

I'm still in leaning down phase. When mass phase comes, I'll shout at you.

Unless you have some product that will act as liposuction:D

[DON SVO]

Damn Don...are you The Guy?
I don't think you're big enough to mule the product though:D
Not at all... I don't mule the product, but I won't look down on anyone for using it either (so long as it's done CORRECTLY). I love researching anything that intrigues me. I know more than probably 99.95% of the general population about steroids... through my self-education I read up a bunch on pro-hormones. It's fucking ingenious because they slip under all three classifications of a steroid by the FDA (naturally occuring, not developed as a pharmaceutical drug, not classified as level III), and therefore they are extremely hard to illegalize. I am pretty sure that the guys producing them knew that it was a limited venture, but it's worth it in dollar sense because once the FDA catches on, they have another precursor developed that will enzymize into a steroid naturally by the body.

The first really popular pro-hormone was a drug called 1-AD. Basically, it was converted by the body into primobolan... after conversion you pretty much had one of the more popular orals. the issue was delivering it worth a damn... after finding a way to assist in uptake and actual absorption, usually 15% of it was absorbed (liver trashed the rest). This was considered an excellent active percentage: transdermals get higher (30% but are heavily disliked by FDA) and obviously injectables are almost 100%. For something over the counter, 15% is awesome. Since then, it's been a race to find derivatives of other steroids, produce a precursor and get the liver to allow more of it to pass without causing liver toxicity.