Ruh Roh: Barack has ties to a terrorist group? WTH?

[HookEm]

<TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0><TBODY><TR><TD class=componentheadingtext width="100%">Byron York</TD><TD class=buttonheading align=right width="100%">http://thehill.com/images/M_images/pdf_button.png (http://thehill.com/index2.php?option=com_content&do_pdf=1&id=72724) </TD><TD class=buttonheading align=right width="100%">http://thehill.com/images/M_images/printButton.png (http://thehill.com/index2.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=72724&pop=1&page=0&Itemid=41) </TD><TD class=buttonheading align=right width="100%">http://thehill.com/images/M_images/emailButton.png (http://thehill.com/index2.php?option=com_content&task=emailform&id=72724&itemid=41) </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><TABLE class=contentpaneopen><TBODY><TR><TD class=contentheading width="100%">Barack and the bomber </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><TABLE class=contentpaneopen><TBODY><TR><TD vAlign=top align=left width="70%" colSpan=2>By Byron York </TD></TR><TR><TD class=createdate vAlign=top colSpan=2>Posted: 04/17/08 05:51 PM [ET] </TD></TR><TR><TD vAlign=top colSpan=2>If we’re judged by those with whom we associate, here’s a question:


Would you rather be associated with a ’60s radical who plotted to bomb the Pentagon and to this day believes, as he said a few years ago, “I don’t regret setting bombs; I feel we didn’t do enough,” or would you rather be associated with — slight pause, please — Sen. Tom Coburn (R-Okla.)?


That was the rather bizarre scenario raised by Sen. Barack Obama (Ill.) at Wednesday night’s Democratic presidential debate in Philadelphia.


ABC’s George Stephanopoulos asked Obama about Obama’s relationship with William Ayers, the unrepentant former member of the Weather Underground.


“An early organizing meeting for your state Senate campaign was held at his house, and your campaign has said you are friendly,” Stephanopoulos said to Obama. “Can you explain that relationship for the voters, and explain to Democrats why it won’t be a problem?”


At first Obama downplayed his connection with Ayers. “This is a guy who lives in my neighborhood, who’s a professor of English in Chicago, who I know and who I have not received an official endorsement from,” Obama said. “He’s not somebody who I exchange ideas with on a regular basis.”


Then Obama downplayed the question’s relevance. “The notion that somehow as a consequence of me knowing somebody who engaged in detestable acts 40 years ago, when I was 8 years old, somehow reflects on me and my values doesn’t make much sense.”


And then, the Coburn Card.


“The fact is that I’m also friendly with Tom Coburn, one of the most conservative Republicans in the United States Senate,” Obama said, “who during his campaign once said that it might be appropriate to apply the death penalty to those who carried out abortions.


“Do I need to apologize for Mr. Coburn’s statements? Because I certainly don’t agree with those, either.”


Where to start?


Well, Coburn is ardently anti-abortion. So much so that he once said, during his 2004 Senate campaign, “I favor the death penalty for abortionists and other people who take life.”


It’s a far-out position. But note a couple of things. Coburn also said in the campaign that he realizes abortion is not, you know, against the law. And he does not support the death penalty for people who haven’t broken the law and who haven’t received due process if they have.


“I understand what the law is,” Coburn said during the 2004 campaign. “My hope would be that we would get back to a time when we recognize the value of life, and I think we’re not.”


Now, that’s still an out-there position. Coburn’s dream is not going to happen.


But wouldn’t Coburn be more comparable to Ayers if he, Coburn, had bombed abortion clinics in the past — and then said that he not only did not regret bombing the clinics but wished that he had done more? And then, after bombing abortion clinics and refusing to express regret, he held a political event in his home for Barack Obama, which Obama attended?


And if all that had happened, would Obama say it wasn’t a problem because Coburn had bombed those clinics a long time ago, when Obama was just 8 years old?


Do you believe that would endear Obama to voters in the Democratic primaries?


As it was, Obama used his Senate colleague Coburn to suggest that the issue was not one of violence, and radicalism, and lawbreaking, but rather a simple disagreement: Sen. Coburn and I disagree on some things, and yet we’re still friendly. Bill Ayers and I disagree on some things, and yet we’re still friendly. So what’s the problem?


That’s not quite good enough.


Obama needs to tell us more about his relationship with Ayers. It’s important because voters might well wonder whether that relationship, coupled with Obama’s longtime relationship with the Rev. Jeremiah Wright, is the beginning of a pattern, a pattern in which Obama seems quite comfortable with people who really, really, really don’t like the United States of America.


It’s a reasonable question, and Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton (D-N.Y.) was right to suggest that Republicans will raise it in the general election campaign if Obama is the Democratic candidate.

They will — and they should.


Why not clear it up now?

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[AL P]

Just another torpedo launched at Obama's campaign, which is dead in the water...

[Vertnut]

Just another torpedo launched at Obama's campaign, which is dead in the water...
No shit. Hell, the Republicans aren't even in the game yet! If Obama gets past Hillary, which is becoming questionable, we may see another Reagan vs. Carter ass-whipping from 1980. I'm beginning to think Hillary has a better shot in the general election than Obama.

[futant]

I hate obama as much as anyone else, and even I think this is reaching...

I don't see any thing in this article that is so damning.

Maybe you can point it out...

I've never thought he is even remotely presidential material. That is.... if there was ever any material to him anyway ...

[HookEm]

I find it troubling that Obama and his wife have a relationship with a BOMBER who committed terroristic acts against the US, and is PROUD of his actions.

To wit, "“I don’t regret setting bombs; I feel we didn’t do enough.”

[Vertnut]

I hate obama as much as anyone else, and even I think this is reaching...

I don't see any thing in this article that is so damning.

Maybe you can point it out...

I've never thought he is even remotely presidential material. That is.... if there was ever any material to him anyway ...
It in itself, may not be so damning. It's just another building block with all the other crap that's come out. It's starting to shape a character that no one seems to know much about. Instead of the "Brother-man Traveling Rock & Roll Show",
the country is seeing another, real side of him.

[slow06]

HookEm, this is a little weak.

While I do see your point, It's just... well a little alarmist. I don't know much about the 60's pentagon attack (or planned attack). Maybe the dude was strung out on drugs, maybe he is a changed man..it has been 40 years for heaven's sake. I don't know...

Does he to this day say he did not do enough to bomb the Pentagon, or is that 30 years old? Why was he trying to bomb it in the first place?

[futant]

Instead of the "Brother-man Traveling Rock & Roll Show",
the country is seeing another, real side of him.

LMAO :D
so true too.

What I don't see in the article though is any proof that he has any relationship to the BOMBER at all. If what he says is true , that he was 8 when these acts were commited, then WTF does that matter?

Was this relationship occuring much longer after the bombings?

[exlude]

Good grief. Obamas got a lot of things wrong with him. This is not one of those things.

[Vertnut]

LMAO :D
so true too.

What I don't see in the article though is any proof that he has any relationship to the BOMBER at all. If what he says is true , that he was 8 when these acts were commited, then WTF does that matter?

Was this relationship occuring much longer after the bombings?
The relationship has been fairly recent, but Obama was well aware of Ayers' history, and still befriended him. I think that's where the controversay is.

[HookEm]

"I don’t regret setting bombs; I feel we didn’t do enough,” was a quote from 2001.



HookEm, this is a little weak.


Does he to this day say he did not do enough to bomb the Pentagon, or is that 30 years old? Why was he trying to bomb it in the first place?

[BP]

Bill Clinton + Susan Rosenberg = a more newsworthy story. She helped bomb the US capitol yet Hillary's husband commuted her prison sentence. She was/is a member of Weather Underground. He also commuted Linda Evans sentence, another member of the same group.

[futant]

Oh I get it now. The article is a bit confusing...with all the additional irrelevant information in there.

I still hope Obama beats out the Hilldog, that way he can be more easily run over by McCain...

This is damning. It will come up and it better not look like there is a relation ship there!
But it sounds like this is already known.

RUH ROH

[exlude]

The relationship has been fairly recent, but Obama was well aware of Ayers' history, and still befriended him. I think that's where the controversay is.

I think you're buying into the twist that the author/Hook'Em want you to. It's not like these two are buddy-buddy and go out drinking every weekend. They are amiable toward each other.

[AL P]

I think you're buying into the twist that the author/Hook'Em want you to. It's not like these two are buddy-buddy and go out drinking every weekend. They are amiable toward each other.

Why would a US Senator be friendly with someone who attempted to bomb the Pentagon? It's all trivial but would I want this senator to be president? Absolutely not, he should punch this fucking guy in the nose not exchange pleasantries.

[Stevo]

I think you're buying into the twist that the author/Hook'Em want you to. It's not like these two are buddy-buddy and go out drinking every weekend. They are amiable toward each other.

“An early organizing meeting for your state Senate campaign was held at his house, and your campaign has said you are friendly,”

Sounds buddy-buddy to me.


Stevo

[Vertnut]

I think you're buying into the twist that the author/Hook'Em want you to. It's not like these two are buddy-buddy and go out drinking every weekend. They are amiable toward each other.
I was born on a Thursday, but not last Thursday...I've been around a while. ;)
We are judged by the company we keep, whether it's you, me, or Obama. The list of shady characters he's spent time with (some being VERY signficant), continues to grow. Again, in itself, the Ayres relationship is not a condemnation, but it's just one more "gig" he doesn't need.

[jims93lx]

Someone help me out. When did Obama first run for Senate??? First got into big time politics??? Before or after 2001??

[Vertnut]

Someone help me out. When did Obama first run for Senate??? First got into big time politics??? Before or after 2001??
He was in the illinois senate from '97-'04. U.S. senate since then.

[Gripenfelter]

What's the difference between Obama's relationship with Wright and McCain's endorsement and affiliation with Hagee?

What's the difference between Obama's association with a guy thats whacko, and McCain dumping his crippled ex-wife and crapping all over his children or his crappy military record?

I won't even get into Hilary and all of the Clintons shady actions and involvements.

Corruption, and politicians go hand n hand, no matter what side they are on.

[HookEm]

what does a poor relationship move have to do with being buddioes with a Tim McVeigh starter kit?



What's the difference between Obama's relationship with Wright and McCain's endorsement and affiliation with Hagee?

What's the difference between Obama's association with a guy thats whacko, and McCain dumping his crippled ex-wife and crapping all over his children or his crappy military record?

I won't even get into Hilary and all of the Clintons shady actions and involvements.

Corruption, and politicians go hand n hand, no matter what side they are on.

[Vertnut]

What's the difference between Obama's relationship with Wright and McCain's endorsement and affiliation with Hagee?

What's the difference between Obama's association with a guy thats whacko, and McCain dumping his crippled ex-wife and crapping all over his children or his crappy military record?

I won't even get into Hilary and all of the Clintons shady actions and involvements.

Corruption, and politicians go hand n hand, no matter what side they are on.
It's not so much what they do, it's just Obama hit the road running, with no one knowing anything about him or his affilliations or policies. They're just coming out, that's all...

[mikeb]

It in itself, may not be so damning. It's just another building block with all the other crap that's come out. It's starting to shape a character that no one seems to know much about. Instead of the "Brother-man Traveling Rock & Roll Show",
the country is seeing another, real side of him.

That's the way I see it also. There sure is a lot of smoke, maybe there is a fire. The fact that the man refuses to wear a American flag lapel pin says everything about him to me.

[Gripenfelter]

what does a poor relationship move have to do with being buddioes with a Tim McVeigh starter kit?

It all states what kind of people they are, and all three are pretty questionable at best.

[HookEm]

Just so we're clear: Bombing American government buildings=unsavory marital choices?????
:eek:

It all states what kind of people they are, and all three are pretty questionable at best.

[BP]

It's not so much what they do, it's just Obama hit the road running, with no one knowing anything about him or his affilliations or policies. They're just coming out, that's all...

The Clinton war machine started up a couple of weeks ago.

[Gripenfelter]

Just so we're clear: Bombing American government buildings=unsavory marital choices?????
:eek:

I would say no if we were comparing McCain to Ayers (whacko bomber), but I would say yes when comparing Obama's association to Ayers and McCains crapping all over his ex-wife and children.

Obama didn't bomb government buildings. So its pretty equal to me when comparing life choices they have both made, which is poor in both aspects.

[HookEm]

The Clinton war machine started up a couple of weeks ago.


It's looking like the vets and the n00bs are being seperated.....that's a well oiled machine.

[HookEm]

They aren't even in the same ball park. That's just silly.


I would say no if we were comparing McCain to Ayers (whacko bomber), but I would say yes when comparing Obama's association to Ayers and McCains crapping all over his ex-wife and children.

Obama didn't bomb government buildings. So its pretty equal to me when comparing life choices they have both made, which is poor in both aspects.

[Vertnut]

The Clinton war machine started up a couple of weeks ago.
And make no mistake, they are the BEST at doing this kind of thing. The best part of it all, is no one can claim "Replican mud-slinging", though I'm sure there will be plenty of time for that later.

[Slowhand]

No shit. Hell, the Republicans aren't even in the game yet! If Obama gets past Hillary, which is becoming questionable, we may see another Reagan vs. Carter ass-whipping from 1980. I'm beginning to think Hillary has a better shot in the general election than Obama.

Aside from the fact that McCain is more like Carter than Reagan, you're right. ;)

[Vertnut]

They aren't even in the same ball park. That's just silly.
One affects the welfare of our country, the other doesn't.

[exlude]

Sounds buddy-buddy to me.


Stevo

I'm friendly to most anyone I pass on the street, they sure as fuck aren't my buds.

[HookEm]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/photo/2008/02/19/PH2008021900931.jpg
Chicago Police photos of William Ayers in 1968

"William Ayers, in the age of terrorism, will be Barack Obama's Willie Horton."
--Former counterterrorism official Larry C. Johnson, The Huffington Post (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/larry-c-johnson/no-he-cant-because-yes_b_87036.html), Feb. 16, 2008.

There has been a sudden spate of blog items and newspaper articles, mainly in the British press, linking Barack Obama to a former member of the radical Weather Underground Organization that claimed responsibility for a dozen bombings between 1970 and 1974. The former Weatherman, William Ayers (http://www.billayers.org/index.php), now holds the position of distinguished professor of education at the University of Illinois-Chicago. Although never convicted of any crime, he told the New York Times (http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9F02E1DE1438F932A2575AC0A9679C8B 63) in September 2001, "I don't regret setting bombs...I feel we didn't do enough."

Both Obama and Ayers were members of the board of an anti-poverty group, the Woods Fund of Chicago (http://www.woodsfund.org/Folder_1042751691717/Folder_1063313904706/File_1063313710297), between 1999 and 2002. In addition, Ayers contributed $200 to Obama's re-election fund to the Illinois State Senate in April 2001, as reported here (http://www.elections.il.gov/CampaignDisclosure/ContribListSearches.aspx?NavLink=1). They lived within a few blocks of each other in the trendy Hyde Park section of Chicago, and moved in the same liberal-progressive circles.

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Former radical activist Bernardine Dohrn and her companion William Ayers leave court in Chicago on Jan. 14, 1981. Dohrn received a $1,500 fine and three years probation for her role in the 'Days of Rage' disturbance in Chicago in 1969.
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</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>In 1995, State Senator Alice Palmer introduced her chosen successor, Barack Obama, to a few of the district’s influential liberals at the home of two well known figures on the local left: William Ayers and Bernardine Dohrn.

While Ayers and Dohrn may be thought of in Hyde Park as local activists, they’re better known nationally as two of the most notorious — and unrepentant — figures from the violent fringe of the 1960s anti-war movement.

Now, as Obama runs for president, what two guests recall as an unremarkable gathering on the road to a minor elected office stands as a symbol of how swiftly he has risen from a man in the Hyde Park left to one closing in fast on the Democratic nomination for president.

“I can remember being one of a small group of people who came to Bill Ayers’ house to learn that Alice Palmer was stepping down from the senate and running for Congress,” said Dr. Quentin Young, a prominent Chicago physician and advocate for single-payer health care, of the informal gathering at the home of Ayers and his wife, Dohrn. “[Palmer] identified [Obama] as her successor.”

Obama and Palmer “were both there,” he said.

Obama’s connections to Ayers and Dorhn have been noted in some fleeting news coverage in the past. But the visit by Obama to their home — part of a campaign courtship — reflects more extensive interaction than has been previously reported.

Neither Ayers nor the Obama campaign would describe the relationship between the two men. Dr. Young described Obama and Ayers as “friends,” but there’s no evidence their relationship is more than the casual friendship of two men who occupy overlapping Chicago political circles and who served together on the board of a Chicago foundation.

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In one sense, Obama’s journey toward the cultural and political center is not unusual among national politicians. But its velocity is.

Politicians of an earlier generation had their own relationships with figures now far to their left. Hillary Rodham Clinton, for instance, interned at a radical San Francisco law firm while in law school.

On the other side of the political spectrum, many in the generation before hers shifted dramatically on civil rights. John McCain voted against creating a holiday to honor Martin Luther King Jr. and later called that a mistake.

The relationship with Ayers gives context to his recent past in Hyde Park politics. It’s milieu in which a former violent radical was a stalwart of the local scene, not especially controversial.

It’s also a scene whose liberal ideological features — while taken for granted by the Chicago press corps that knows Obama best — provides a jarring contrast with Obama’s current, anti-ideological stance. This contrast between past and present — not least the Ayers connection — is virtually certain to be a subject Republican operatives will warm to if Obama is the Democratic nominee.

The tension between the present and recent Chicago past is also evident in some of his positions on major national issues. Many national politicians, including Clinton, have moved toward the center over time. But Obama’s transitions are still quite fresh.

A questionnaire from his 1996 campaign indicated more blanket opposition to the death penalty, and support of abortion rights, than he currently espouses. He spoke in support of single-payer health care as recently as 2003.

Like many of the most extreme figures from the 1960s Ayers and Dohrn are ambiguous figures in American life.

They disappeared in 1970, after a bomb — designed to kill army officers in New Jersey — accidentally destroyed a Greenwich Village townhouse, and turned themselves into authorities in 1980. They were never prosecuted for their involvement with the 25 bombings the Weather Underground claimed; charges were dropped because of improper FBI surveillance.

Both have written and spoken at length about their pasts, and today he is an advocate for progressive education and a professor at the University of Illinois at Chicago; she’s an associate professor of law at Northwestern University.

But — unlike some other fringe figures of the era — they’re also flatly unrepentant about the bombings they committed in the name of ending the war, defending them on the grounds that they killed no one, except, accidentally, their own members.

Dohrn, however, was jailed for less than a year for refusing to testify before a grand jury investigating other Weather Underground members’ robbery of a Brinks truck, in which a guard and two New York State Troopers were killed.

“I don't regret setting bombs; I feel we didn't do enough,” Ayers told the New York Times in 2001.

And their rehabilitation in establishment circles, even in Hyde Park, has its limits.

Though he is a respected figure in liberal educational circles, Ayers wrote recently about how in 2006 he was informed he was persona non grata at a progressive educators’ conference in the summer of 2006.
“We cannot risk a simplistic and dubious association between progressive education and the violent aspects of your past,” he quoted the conference organizers, whom he described as friends, as writing to him.

But the couple has been embraced, by and large, in the liberal circles dominating Hyde Park politics.

“Bill Ayers is one of my heroes in life,” said Sam Ackerman, a longtime local activist. “I knew Tony Rezko, and he ain’t no Rezko.”

But others in Hyde Park, whose intellectual and political life revolves around the University of Chicago, view the couple with ambivalence.




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[Vertnut]

Aside from the fact that McCain is more like Carter than Reagan, you're right. ;)
Explain that...

[Gripenfelter]

All three will affect the welfare of our country, all three are pretty much nose deep in slime, and all three are typical politicians.

I don't support either one, it's just another pick of the lesser of two/three evils. All you can do is pick the one that will at least use some vasoline when they bend you over.

[HookEm]

You're seriously comparing the bombing of US Government buildings, to an ill timed divorce?
Wow. Just, wow.

All three will affect the welfare of our country, all three are pretty much nose deep in slime, and all three are typical politicians.

I don't support either one, it's just another pick of the lesser of two/three evils. All you can do is pick the one that will at least use some vasoline when they bend you over.

[Vertnut]

All three will affect the welfare of our country, all three are pretty much nose deep in slime, and all three are typical politicians.

I don't support either one, it's just another pick of the lesser of two/three evils. All you can do is pick the one that will at least use some vasoline when they bend you over.
That's been the case since this country was founded. What else is new. I'm not that hip on McCain, he's just not as "bad" as the other two, in my eyes.

[Vertnut]

You're seriously comparing the bombing of US Government buildings, to an ill timed divorce?
Wow. Just, wow.
Folks will see what they want to see...

[Gripenfelter]

You're seriously comparing the bombing of US Government buildings, to an ill timed divorce?
Wow. Just, wow.

You can spin it how you want to spin it. I'm not comparing the two, what I am comparing is the choices they have made in their lives.

Let's be honest here, everyone has associated with some people that have done some stupid crap, directly or indirectly. We have even been friendly to these people, but does that change who we are or what you believe as an individual?

All I'm saying here is people need to look at this with some perspective. Bad life choices, I've made them, you've probably made them, it happens. When comparing them, at least look at it equally....a guy that was friendly to a whacko and a guy that crapped all over his crippled wife and children.

When I was younger I was friendly with some guys that killed another guy I was friendly with. Does that make me a bad person? No it doesn't.

If I had cheated on my crippled wife and crapped on my children for a hot new young thing, would it make me a bad person? Will thats for you to decide.

[Vertnut]

You can spin it how you want to spin it. I'm not comparing the two, what I am comparing is the choices they have made in their lives.

Let's be honest here, everyone has associated with some people that have done some stupid crap, directly or indirectly. We have even been friendly to these people, but does that change who we are or what you believe as an individual?

All I'm saying here is people need to look at this with some perspective. Bad life choices, I've made them, you've probably made them, it happens. When comparing them, at least look at it equally....a guy that was friendly to a whacko and a guy that crapped all over his crippled wife and children.

When I was younger I was friendly with some guys that killed another guy I was friendly with. Does that make me a bad person? No it doesn't.

If I had cheated on my crippled wife and crapped on my children for a hot new young thing, would it make me a bad person? Will thats for you to decide.
Funny...did you think that Clinton was a bad guy after all his running around, including in the Whitehouse?
If McCain had attended a church with a rascist theme and pastor for 20 years, you think it would be an issue? More than 50% of all marriages wind up in divorce. I can hardly equate the two examples.

[HookEm]

Can't say I've ever been friends with someone who bombed US government buildings.......
And you can't use the "young and dumb" card, as this guy has made comments as recently as 2001 that still champion his terroristic efforts. And Barack and he are still friendly?


You can spin it how you want to spin it. I'm not comparing the two, what I am comparing is the choices they have made in their lives.

Let's be honest here, everyone has associated with some people that have done some stupid crap, directly or indirectly. We have even been friendly to these people, but does that change who we are or what you believe as an individual?

All I'm saying here is people need to look at this with some perspective. Bad life choices, I've made them, you've probably made them, it happens. When comparing them, at least look at it equally....a guy that was friendly to a whacko and a guy that crapped all over his crippled wife and children.

When I was younger I was friendly with some guys that killed another guy I was friendly with. Does that make me a bad person? No it doesn't.

If I had cheated on my crippled wife and crapped on my children for a hot new young thing, would it make me a bad person? Will thats for you to decide.

[Stevo]

I'm friendly to most anyone I pass on the street, they sure as fuck aren't my buds.

Being in someone's house in a meeting where you plan your future political career is not even close to meeting someone on the street.


Stevo

[exlude]

Being in someone's house in a meeting where you plan your future political career is not even close to meeting someone on the street.


Stevo

Nor is it being buddy-buddy, buddy.

[bcoop]

I was born on a Thursday, but not last Thursday...I've been around a while. ;)
We are judged by the company we keep, whether it's you, me, or Obama. The list of shady characters he's spent time with (some being VERY signficant), continues to grow. Again, in itself, the Ayres relationship is not a condemnation, but it's just one more "gig" he doesn't need.



Yep. Perception is reality. Relevant? Maybe, maybe not. But the very fact that this article came up for discussion at ALL, on a Mustang board no less; just further verifies my first sentence.



Truth or not, perception is reality. And that's just the way it is.



I agree that this is a little 'alarmist', and that Hook Em is blowing things out of proportion. But at the same time, I agree with Al.

[Gripenfelter]

Funny...did you think that Clinton was a bad guy after all his running around, including in the Whitehouse?
If McCain had attended a church with a rascist theme and pastor for 20 years, you think it would be an issue? More than 50% of all marriages wind up in divorce. I can hardly equate the two examples.

Matter of fact, I thought he was slime as well.

I'm not championing one or the other here, I personally don't like either of them. Nor am I a fan of any politician, because these guys aren't in it for me or anyone else but themselves.

[AL P]

If I had cheated on my crippled wife and crapped on my children for a hot new young thing, would it make me a bad person? Will thats for you to decide.

This thread is us deciding that Obama is a douchebag. I'm not suprised that you don't agree since you are all about damage control on the Battleship Obama. Go ahead and go down with the ship.

[Gripenfelter]

This thread is us deciding that Obama is a douchebag. I'm not suprised that you don't agree since you are all about damage control on the Battleship Obama. Go ahead and go down with the ship.

I could careless about Obama. I'm just pointing out McCain/Obama/Clinton are all three garbage. You can separate the garbage in to little piles and determine which pile of garbage you like better, me I tend to see them as what they all are, one big heaping pile of garbage.

You see it as me defending him, I see it as me saying McCain is no better.

[HookEm]

You are comparing acts of terrorism to divorce. This is akin to comparing jaywalking with mass murder because they are both criminal offenses.


I could careless about Obama. I'm just pointing out McCain/Obama/Clinton are all three garbage. You can separate the garbage in to little piles and determine which pile of garbage you like better, me I tend to see them as what they all are, one big heaping pile of garbage.

You see it as me defending him, I see it as me saying McCain is no better.

[Vertnut]

I could careless about Obama. I'm just pointing out McCain/Obama/Clinton are all three garbage. You can separate the garbage in to little piles and determine which pile of garbage you like better, me I tend to see them as what they all are, one big heaping pile of garbage.

You see it as me defending him, I see it as me saying McCain is no better.
If you don't like anybody, and never have apparently, why are you on here? :confused: What's your point?

[Gripenfelter]

If you don't like anybody, and never have apparently, why are you on here? :confused: What's your point?

The same reason you are, to state your opinion on a political subject. Personally my choice for candidate is no longer viable.

[bcoop]

The same reason you are, to state your opinion on a political subject. Personally my choice for candidate is no longer viable.




That'll teach everyone!

[Vertnut]

The same reason you are, to state your opinion on a political subject. Personally my choice for candidate is no longer viable.
That tells me your opinion was in the vast minority. My first "option" is no longer there, either, but I don't hate the guy I'm going to vote for. Are you still going to vote?

[Stevo]

Nor is it being buddy-buddy, buddy.

Many would be of another opinion.

Stevo

[Gripenfelter]

That tells me your opinion was in the vast minority. My first "option" is no longer there, either, but I don't hate the guy I'm going to vote for. Are you still going to vote?

In all honesty I was pulling for Ron Paul, I will still vote and it will probably be a write in. I'm conservative by nature, I just can't bring myself to vote for the current republican party. GW has left me extremely bitter with the republicans, and I have never agreed with the democrats positions.

[Yale]

What about the Weather Underground guy? If the battle he engages in is ideological, and he loses, then assimilates, should he not be forgiven? When do we start to reconcile the various factions in these internal conflicts?

[99MustangGT]

This issue has been out on the table for a while. Obama's only relation he has with this guy is that he was on the same board of an anti-poverty group, lived a few blocks away from each other, and Ayers donated to Obama's campaign when he ran for the Senate. They aren't and never were buddy-buddy. When you work in the same field of politics, in the same city, you run into each other. That doesn't make you best friends with everyone you come across. Ayers is now a professor at the University of Illnois and was a former aide to Mayor Richard Daley.

http://blog.washingtonpost.com/fact-checker/2008/02/obamas_weatherman_connection.html

[HookEm]

And he held a campaign planning session in the terrorist's home.
And there are alelgations that the wive's are buddy buddy sourceless as they may be)

All Im saying is "birds of a feather flock together."

This issue has been out on the table for a while. Obama's only relation he has with this guy is that he was on the same board of an anti-poverty group, lived a few blocks away from each other, and Ayers donated to Obama's campaign when he ran for the Senate. They aren't and never were buddy-buddy. When you work in the same field of politics, in the same city, you run into each other. That doesn't make you best friends with everyone you come across. Ayers is now a professor at the University of Illnois and was a former aide to Mayor Richard Daley.

http://blog.washingtonpost.com/fact-checker/2008/02/obamas_weatherman_connection.html

[line-em-up]

You are comparing acts of terrorism to divorce. This is akin to comparing jaywalking with mass murder because they are both criminal offenses.

It's like comparing a cokehead to someone damaging their neighbor's fence.

[99MustangGT]

And he held a campaign planning session in the terrorist's home.
And there are alelgations that the wive's are buddy buddy sourceless as they may be)

All Im saying is "birds of a feather flock together."

Yes that is true. But obviously, he isn't a threat if he has become a professor at an University, worked for a mayor, ect. It may seem alarmist but I don't see a big enough connection for this issue to bother me. Clinton's pardons alarm me more than Obama's relationship to Ayers.

I just wish they'd hurry up and pick a candidate.

[Vertnut]

Yes that is true. But obviously, he isn't a threat if he has become a professor at an University, worked for a mayor, ect. It may seem alarmist but I don't see a big enough connection for this issue to bother me. Clinton's pardons alarm me more than Obama's relationship to Ayers.

I just wish they'd hurry up and pick a candidate.
It could be June before they do that. Clintons pardons came at the end of his term. Obama has these relationships going into office. To whom will he owe "favors"? :cool:

[Casper]

You are comparing acts of terrorism to divorce. This is akin to comparing jaywalking with mass murder because they are both criminal offenses.

Okay, lets review McCain a little further. Everyone knows I am pretty much a RKBA voter, with rational environmental policy a close second (like publicly flogging elitist opportunist fear-mongering asshats like Al Gore). So McCain scores a "decent" on my vote-meter, which is not overly impressive.

Lets talk about the Keating 5 instead. The Soros connection. McCain-Feingold. The POW-MIA ultimatum. And sure, to a degree, personal choices in life. If you insist on comparing whole enchiladas just to determine the flavor of the sauce, well McCains enchilada has yet to get my support, even though it is within his grasp.

Besides, the election goes to the nominee which pulls Richardson as running mate. That is a given based on the electorate IMO. And it looks like it is only available to two candidates now, Clinton being the odd bulldyke out.

[Casper]

It's like comparing a cokehead to someone damaging their neighbor's fence.

LOL!

[HookEm]

It's like comparing a cokehead to someone damaging their neighbor's fence.


Like you've got room to talk. I've heard all about your shady past.
Stones in glass houses.

[99MustangGT]

It could be June before they do that. Clintons pardons came at the end of his term. Obama has these relationships going into office. To whom will he owe "favors"? :cool:


To whom will they ALL return favors to and who owes ALL of them favors? I don't think there's one politician that doesn't. Ayers was never convicted of these crimes. So, I am not sure what kind of favor Obama would owe him.

Hopefully, they'll end the race after the North Carolina and Indiana primaries. The Republicans are just eating this up.

[line-em-up]

Like you've got room to talk. I've heard all about your shady past.
Stones in glass houses.

If you've got something to say, then say it. Don't try to spin it around and make me look bad by making an empty post when you know that you have nothing on me. I'm sure everyone on here would love to hear some juicy story. Go ahead! Spill the beans.

You're such a stereotypical right wing zealot that tries to slander and rub other people's faces in the dirt to give your party an advantage. And now you want to reference "glass houses". LOL

[Stang Seller]

I find it troubling that Obama and his wife have a relationship with a BOMBER who committed terroristic acts against the US, and is PROUD of his actions.

To wit, "“I don’t regret setting bombs; I feel we didn’t do enough.”
So how do you feel about the Bush families ties to Osama Bin Laden & Family and other Saudi's who have been proven to fund terrorism and Anti-American acts??
SS

[HookEm]

No need to get all butt hurt. It's not my place to air your laundry. Just sayin that it isnt as secret as you think it is.
;)

If you've got something to say, then say it. Don't try to spin it around and make me look bad by making an empty post when you know that you have nothing on me. I'm sure everyone on here would love to hear some juicy story. Go ahead! Spill the beans.

You're such a stereotypical right wing zealot that tries to slander and rub other people's faces in the dirt to give your party an advantage. And now you want to reference "glass houses". LOL

[Paladin]

I think you're buying into the twist that the author/Hook'Em want you to. It's not like these two are buddy-buddy and go out drinking every weekend. They are amiable toward each other.

Why is he "amiable" to a guy who is not repentant about bombing our government? I mean, he is asking to lead that government.

[Paladin]

To whom will they ALL return favors to and who owes ALL of them favors? I don't think there's one politician that doesn't. Ayers was never convicted of these crimes. So, I am not sure what kind of favor Obama would owe him.

Hopefully, they'll end the race after the North Carolina and Indiana primaries. The Republicans are just eating this up.

OJ wasn't convicted either, does that mean both are not guilty?

[Yale]

Why is he "amiable" to a guy who is not repentant about bombing our government? I mean, he is asking to lead that government.

What do you want? A press conference and some crying in public? He doesn't have to feel guilty about it to change his ways. A lot of people accept defeat and still don't like what's going on around them. The IRA has largely demilitarized, but you won't see them having a public winge about not winning their respective fight. It's a testament to a man's character that he can move on.

[Paladin]

What do you want? A press conference and some crying in public? He doesn't have to feel guilty about it to change his ways. A lot of people accept defeat and still don't like what's going on around them. The IRA has largely demilitarized, but you won't see them having a public winge about not winning their respective fight. It's a testament to a man's character that he can move on.

Damn, I nearly fell off my chair from that spin!

How will we know he has changed his ways? He stayed tied to his racist pastor even after it became public knowledge and only broke ties after his handlers advised him to. Until there is some pressure to get him to publicly denounce this guy, maybe he won't. He is asking to be the leader of the free world and has close ties to racists and terrorists, come on people!

BTW, I have never stayed in a church when I didn't believe in the pastor and I have never been in a known terrorists apartment. This is simple stuff for most who are not trying to stay part of the Obamanation IMO.

[line-em-up]

No need to get all butt hurt. It's not my place to air your laundry. Just sayin that it isnt as secret as you think it is.
;)

It doesn't bother me. I'm just laughing at you for acting like you've got something to tell about me when you and I both know you don't. Since you supposedly do, I double dog dare you to say it. I'm a big boy and I can take it. Of course, I know you won't because there is nothing to tell. You're just trying to play word games, which is what you seem to love doing. I'll leave it at that. ;)

[Yale]

Damn, I nearly fell off my chair from that spin!

How will we know he has changed his ways? He stayed tied to his racist pastor even after it became public knowledge and only broke ties after his handlers advised him to. Until there is some pressure to get him to publicly denounce this guy, maybe he won't. He is asking to be the leader of the free world and has close ties to racists and terrorists, come on people!

BTW, I have never stayed in a church when I didn't believe in the pastor and I have never been in a known terrorists apartment. This is simple stuff for most who are not trying to stay part of the Obamanation IMO.

I'll agree with you about leaving a church. We all know he wasn't going to church for any reasons of faith though. It has more to do with legitimizing his political career and making a scene. I was speaking more about the Weather Underground guy, though. I'm ok with him harboring bad feelings about "White America." :rolleyes:

Old racist people of any race don't need to be pointed out and explained to me. They're a dying breed anyway.

[Paladin]

I'll agree with you about leaving a church. We all know he wasn't going to church for any reasons of faith though. It has more to do with legitimizing his political career and making a scene. I was speaking more about the Weather Underground guy, though. I'm ok with him harboring bad feelings about "White America." :rolleyes:

Old racist people of any race don't need to be pointed out and explained to me. They're a dying breed anyway.

I have a bigger problem with his judgment than I do with his pastor being a racist. I wonder how we can trust him to make wise choices if he chooses to stand by his pastor, for quite awhile anyway, and go to the home of a known terrorist.

I think he has the potential to be the most corrupt President we have ever seen. He is so lacking in good judgment that I think it may be the signs of a morally bankrupt person of the highest order.

[Yale]

Fair enough. I'm still not voting this year.

[line-em-up]

I think he has the potential to be the most corrupt (substitute title here) we have ever seen. He is so lacking in good judgment that I think it may be the signs of a morally bankrupt person of the highest order.

fixed.

I think he has the potential to be the most corrupt (substitute title here) we have ever seen. He is so lacking in good judgment that I think it may be the signs of a morally bankrupt person of the highest order.

That could fit any number of people, like the Willmer/Hutchins schools district, the Dallas City Council, etc. Remember those? LOL.

[99MustangGT]

OJ wasn't convicted either, does that mean both are not guilty?


In the eyes of the law, yes it does!

[99MustangGT]

I have a bigger problem with his judgment than I do with his pastor being a racist. I wonder how we can trust him to make wise choices if he chooses to stand by his pastor, for quite awhile anyway, and go to the home of a known terrorist.

I think he has the potential to be the most corrupt President we have ever seen. He is so lacking in good judgment that I think it may be the signs of a morally bankrupt person of the highest order.


As lacking in judgement as President Bush?! I seriously doubt that.

Finally Senator McCain admitted this war wasn't on terror; it was for oil. And coming from my Republican roots, it really bothers me to know Bush's administration lied to the American people to get us into a war.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c0GWoxbMs1k

[exlude]

Why is he "amiable" to a guy who is not repentant about bombing our government? I mean, he is asking to lead that government.

I'm not saying he should be, or that I wouldn't love to slap the cheesedick upside the head (cheesedick being ayers and/or obama). But of all the political gossip to jump on, this isn't it. I'm surprised this wasn't first reported on E!, if you catch my drift.

[5.0_CJ]

As right or as wrong as this article is in anyones eyes THIS is why when you realize your future is politics, you just do not associate with people like this in any fashion whatsoever, and you damn them if you do. Obama was radical, hey may even still be, but the truth is that kind of shit you do "when you're younger" does catch back up to you in politics, and it should, it's our business to know these things.

[Paladin]

In the eyes of the law, yes it does!

The law and Obama apparently. LOL

[black01gt]

Obama was radical, hey may even still be, but the truth is that kind of shit you do "when you're younger" does catch back up to you in politics, and it should, it's our business to know these things.
Unless of course we're talking about Dubya. The most privileged "politician" in history.

[Paladin]

As lacking in judgement as President Bush?! I seriously doubt that.

Finally Senator McCain admitted this war wasn't on terror; it was for oil. And coming from my Republican roots, it really bothers me to know Bush's administration lied to the American people to get us into a war.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c0GWoxbMs1k

I guess opinions will differ on this, but that is my opinion.

I don't know how you go from McCain saying he thought the war was only about oil to Bush lying. It has been well documented here, and most other places that Clinton (both of them), Gore, and the leaders of the majority of the free nations thought Saddam had WMD. Bush went in pretty much with the support of the world and now people are Monday morning QB'ing him like they forgot all that support they gave at the beginning.

[Paladin]

I'm not saying he should be, or that I wouldn't love to slap the cheesedick upside the head (cheesedick being ayers and/or obama). But of all the political gossip to jump on, this isn't it. I'm surprised this wasn't first reported on E!, if you catch my drift.

It is just one of a myriad of judgment issues that have crept up since he has been in the spotlight. I think if you miss all the little things and blow them off, it is similar to missing the forest because of all the trees.

[Paladin]

Unless of course we're talking about Dubya. The most privileged "politician" in history.

Even moreso than a guy who committed a felony while a sitting President and got away with it? I would call that a privileged politican for sure! :D

[Paladin]

fixed.

I think he has the potential to be the most corrupt (substitute title here) we have ever seen. He is so lacking in good judgment that I think it may be the signs of a morally bankrupt person of the highest order.

That could fit any number of people, like the Willmer/Hutchins schools district, the Dallas City Council, etc. Remember those? LOL.

I remember all those, I am just glad I was watching it all from over here in little old FW. :D

[Vertnut]

As lacking in judgement as President Bush?! I seriously doubt that.

Finally Senator McCain admitted this war wasn't on terror; it was for oil. And coming from my Republican roots, it really bothers me to know Bush's administration lied to the American people to get us into a war.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c0GWoxbMs1k
War for oil, my ass. That's some tired BS right there. We import 15% of our oil from the middle east. If the libs had let us drill in Anwar, we wouldn't need ANY of their stinking oil. Congress agreed that we needed to go to war, based on the information that everyone got. Bad decision? In hindsight, probably. Nobody thought so back then, republican OR democrat.

[Stang Seller]

So how do you feel about the Bush families ties to Osama Bin Laden & Family and other Saudi's who have been proven to fund terrorism and Anti-American acts??
SS
I'm still waiting on HOOKEM to respond to this.......
SS

[HookEm]

I'm still waiting on HOOKEM to respond to this.......
SS


My response? God bless you and yours. I really have better things to do than dispatch your latest round of e-gangsta activities.

[Stang Seller]

My response? God bless you and yours. I really have better things to do than dispatch your latest round of e-gangsta activities.
Um. Ok. It's a simple question and it looks as if you don't even have the capacity to answer it. You're talking about a questionable connection between two men, I'm asking your opinion on a proven connection between your beloved President and those responsible for 9/11...... that's not important to you?
Just answer my question, it's not very hard. How do you feel about the Bush families ties to Osama Bin Laden & Family and other Saudi's who have been proven to fund terrorism and Anti-American acts??
SS

[Vertnut]

Um. Ok. It's a simple question and it looks as if you don't even have the capacity to answer it. You're talking about a questionable connection between two men, I'm asking your opinion on a proven connection between your beloved President and those responsible for 9/11...... that's not important to you?
Just answer my question, it's not very hard. How do you feel about the Bush families ties to Osama Bin Laden & Family and other Saudi's who have been proven to fund terrorism and Anti-American acts??
SS
I'll respond, but just because I'm bored. It's sort of like the "Kevin Bacon" game- the one where everyone in Hollywood can be connected to Kevin Bacon. When a family is in politics (in a huge way) for 30 years, there will be connections. Relationships can change over night. There are and have been some strange bedfellows over the years, and will continue to be. It's the nature of the beast.

[HookEm]

You think I'm a nutcase: You're entitled to your opinion. There's no sense in wasting keystrokes on you.

Um. Ok. It's a simple question and it looks as if you don't even have the capacity to answer it. You're talking about a questionable connection between two men, I'm asking your opinion on a proven connection between your beloved President and those responsible for 9/11...... that's not important to you?
Just answer my question, it's not very hard. How do you feel about the Bush families ties to Osama Bin Laden & Family and other Saudi's who have been proven to fund terrorism and Anti-American acts??
SS

[slow06]

You think I'm a nutcase: You're entitled to your opinion. There's no sense in wasting keystrokes on you.

It's just a question HookEm....and when you avoid it like this and turn it into a personal battle it makes it look like you are scared to answer.

I don't think you are a nutcase, will you answer it to me?

How do you feel about the Bush families ties to Osama Bin Laden & Family and other Saudi's who have been proven to fund terrorism and Anti-American acts??

[black01gt]

It's just a question HookEm....and when you avoid it like this and turn it into a personal battle it makes it look like you are scared to answer.

I don't think you are a nutcase, will you answer it to me?

How do you feel about the Bush families ties to Osama Bin Laden & Family and other Saudi's who have been proven to fund terrorism and Anti-American acts??
I'd like to see that answer myself. Check with your "what a conservative should say and spin manual" and get back to us.

[bcoop]

Check with your "what a conservative should say and spin manual" and get back to us.



That flies both ways you know, and libs spin waaaaaaaay more than conservatives do from what I've seen. ;)

[slow06]

That flies both ways you know, and libs spin waaaaaaaay more than conservatives do from what I've seen. ;)

Everybody spins shit so it lands behind them. Bush, Barack, Hilary, McCain. Every last one of them.

[black01gt]

That flies both ways you know, and libs spin waaaaaaaay more than conservatives do from what I've seen. ;)
That must be how they've gained soooo much power in the last few years. :D Actually, I was being specific to HookEm and his google and follow the crowd logic.

[bcoop]

Everybody spins shit so it lands behind them. Bush, Barack, Hilary, McCain. Every last one of them.



That's all politicians do, isn't it? :confused:


Spin shit so they come out smelling like a rose.....


It would stop if the sheeple stopped buying in to it. Sure. Let's blame Bush for our economy. :rolleyes: I get sick and fucking tired of the "Well the economy was great when Clinton was in office" and the "All I know is nobody was hurting financially when Clinton was in office, who cares if he got his dick sucked on this side" comments. :rolleyes: Give me a fucking break. Don't be so goddamn ignorant. :mad: There is no such thing as a perfect politician, and never will be. It's always going to be the lesser of evils. Some people are just too fucking stupid to see it.


And those people will continue to buy in to all the horseshit the media is spewing, and I'm afraid there is NOTHING that can be done to make these ignorant jackasses open their eyes.

[bcoop]

That must be how they've gained soooo much power in the last few years. :D Actually, I was being specific to HookEm and his google and follow the crowd logic.



Hook Em is every last bit as ignorant as Zara. I get tired of reading his holier than thou overnight Christian bullshit. Both of them are going on ignore as soon as I stop being lazy and take the time to add them. :D

[HookEm]

Sorry you feel that way. You're entitled to your opinion, ignorant as it may be.

Hook Em is every last bit as ignorant as Zara. I get tired of reading his holier than thou overnight Christian bullshit. Both of them are going on ignore as soon as I stop being lazy and take the time to add them. :D

[bcoop]

Sorry you feel that way. You're entitled to your opinion, ignorant as it may be.


:rolleyes: Typical for you.


You need a reality check. As absurd and as extreme as you think Zara is (I'm not saying he's not absurd or extreme), you are every bit as much on both counts. Difference is, you two are polar opposites of each other.


You're right. I'm entitled to my opinion. Just like you're entitled to think my opinion is ignorant.


All I'm saying, is that my opinion is the majority opinion, so I guess the majority that post in this forum are ignorant. :rolleyes:

[HookEm]

Do you get points for each :rolleyes: you use? Or do you just use that for filler when you really have nothing to say?

You accusing anyone of being holier than thou is laughable.

Oh wait....:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

See? I gotz mad winky skillz, too!



:rolleyes: Typical for you.


You need a reality check. As absurd and as extreme as you think Zara is (I'm not saying he's not absurd or extreme), you are every bit as much on both counts. Difference is, you two are polar opposites of each other.


You're right. I'm entitled to my opinion. Just like you're entitled to think my opinion is ignorant.


All I'm saying, is that my opinion is the majority opinion, so I guess the majority that post in this forum are ignorant. :rolleyes:

[bcoop]

Do you get points for each :rolleyes: you use? Or do you just use that for filler when you really have nothing to say?

You accusing anyone of being holier than thou is laughable.

Oh wait....:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

See? I gotz mad winky skillz, too!



Oh go fuck yourself. Take your self righteousness, and shove it up your Satan filled ass.


When you've got nothing, you've really got nothing. I used one smiley. ONE. You act like I'm getting all Wild Bill with the smileys. See? You have nothing to say in response, so you resort to nothing. I guess that's all you can relate your pathetic existence to.

[HookEm]

Ouch. Looks like someone hit a nerve.
I've heard too much gangsta rap music causes the kind of hate you demonstrate. MAybe try a change in your music selection?

Best of luck.

Oh go fuck yourself. Take your self righteousness, and shove it up your Satan filled ass.


When you've got nothing, you've really got nothing. I used one smiley. ONE. You act like I'm getting all Wild Bill with the smileys. See? You have nothing to say in response, so you resort to nothing. I guess that's all you can relate your pathetic existence to.

[bcoop]

Ouch. Looks like someone hit a nerve.
I've heard too much gangsta rap music causes the kind of hate you demonstrate. MAybe try a change in your music selection?

Best of luck.



<---Doesn't listen to gangsta rap.

And for the record - AGAIN, you've got nothing. LMFAO @ your stupidity. I hear if you pray about it God can help with that.



Go snort another line, and harass your neighbors some more. Everyone here is tired of you trying to spread your ignorance/stupidity.

[HookEm]

No thanks. Have 18 months sober today. My neighbor and I get along great. And yes, through Christ all thigns are possible.

Preciate the concern, brother.

<---Doesn't listen to gangsta rap.

And for the record - AGAIN, you've got nothing. LMFAO @ your stupidity. I hear if you pray about it God can help with that.



Go snort another line, and harass your neighbors some more. Everyone here is tired of you trying to spread your ignorance/stupidity.

[slow06]

No thanks. Have 18 months sober today. My neighbor and I get along great. And yes, through Christ all thigns are possible.

Preciate the concern, brother.

As a fellow christian I would just like to say that on this board (since I don't know you in real life) you set a bad example.

I am glad that you have found Christ and changed your ways, but now you need to learn a little humility, and to try not to preach at people. You take this passive-aggressive approach that pisses people off and makes your new-found Christianity look like a joke. God is not a joke, and although that will never change, you may be the only God some people ever see. Just think about it.

[HookEm]

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Sig check?


As a fellow christian I would just like to say that on this board (since I don't know you in real life) you set a bad example.

I am glad that you have found Christ and changed your ways, but now you need to learn a little humility, and to try not to preach at people. You take this passive-aggressive approach that pisses people off and makes your new-found Christianity look like a joke. God is not a joke, and although that will never change, you may be the only God some people ever see. Just think about it.

[bcoop]

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Sig check?



That is EXACTLY what he's talking about.



AGAIN, go snort another line and harass your neighhbors some more, you fucking hypocrite.

[HookEm]

FIFY

That is EXACTLY what he's talking about.



AGAIN, go snort another line and harass your neighhbors some more, you fucking hypocrite. :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

[bcoop]

FIFY



I find it insanely comical that your tiny fucking brain can't come up with anything better than that. I put ONE smiley (emoticon, whatever you want to call it) in that post, and yet you think I'm overdoing it.



Just goes to show that you're an ignorant fuck, that lacks the brain to come up with anything else.

[HookEm]

This, from the poster that can't put together three words without resorting to an F-Bomb mixed in.

Isn't it ironic, don't ya think?
A little tooo ironic......


I find it insanely comical that your tiny fucking brain can't come up with anything better than that. I put ONE smiley (emoticon, whatever you want to call it) in that post, and yet you think I'm overdoing it.



Just goes to show that you're an ignorant fuck, that lacks the brain to come up with anything else.

[bcoop]

This, from the poster that can't put together three words without resorting to an F-Bomb mixed in.

Isn't it ironic, don't ya think?
A little tooo ironic......



That's right. I loathe you so much, I can't speak to or about you with an F bomb.


Sue me, fucking faggot.

[HookEm]

Ooooooh. Zing!
"I find it insanely comical that your tiny brain can't come up with anything better than that."

That's right. I loathe you so much, I can't speak to or about you with an F bomb.


Sue me, fucking faggot.

[Stang Seller]

Stiiiiiiiiiiiiiill no answer to anyone. This just shows and proves that Hookem has no opinion of his own, and just regurgitates what he hears or says what he thinks the "cool crowd" will be ok with. It truly is a simple question, and though I might think you're full of shit with your BS responses and holier than thou attitude I would have actually given you an iota of respect for answering.
For the record, there are several folks on this site who thoroughly disliked me and thought I was an (insert word here). Over time, we managed to ask each other reasonable questions (like the one I posed to you) and responded to each other honestly and realized that we were not so far apart on many issues and respected each others intelligence. Even though we still had issues that we were completely opposite and vehemently oppesed to, we still manage to have respect for each other and debate intelligently.
Take that as you will. Maybe if you actually took an opportunity to respond and give a truthful and respectable answer, tone down the attitude towards everyone, and just get over this "I'm a victim" crap then people might actually give you the benefit of the doubt. Take a minute out of your day, and just respond to the question. It's not hard, and I'm genuinely interested to see what you will say.
SS

[exlude]

Good grief, I havn't seen HookEm degenerate this far in a while.

[black01gt]

No thanks. Have 18 months sober today. My neighbor and I get along great. And yes, through Christ all thigns are possible.

:rolleyes: Except for making you not so fucking judgemental and full of yourself. :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

[Vertnut]

:rolleyes: Except for making you so fucking judgemental and full of yourself. :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
Pot, meet kettle. Damn, it's a rough crowd...

[black01gt]

Pot, meet kettle. Damn, it's a rough crowd...
Yep, I think he needs your help. Can you help him answer the question?
I've seen rougher crowds.

[Vertnut]

Yep, I think he needs your help. Can you help him answer the question?
I've seen rougher crowds.
I answered with post #92, if it's concerning the weak, tired arguement about politicians and their "connections". This is a huge Pandora's box, that EVERY long-term politician can be accused of...

For example: Jimmy Carter's brother Billy, getting a $200,000 personal "loan" from Muammar Qaddafi? Not many folks knew about that one, but a congressional investigation found that his brother would have little influence over the presidency.

[black01gt]

I answered with post #92, if it's concerning the weak, tired arguement about politicians and their "connections". This is a huge Pandora's box, that EVERY long-term politician can be accused of...
Find me an unsavory "connection" with Ron Paul (20 year old anonymous letters don't come close to counting).

Nice attempt but no cigar....

http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c205/FeatMike/thatexplainsit-1.jpg

[Vertnut]

Nice attempt but no cigar....

http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c205/FeatMike/thatexplainsit-1.jpg
All throughout history, there are pictures of presidents with undesirables. Please pick a subject that is legitimate. Bush is soon out of office, so who, pray tell, will be your whipping boy? What will the libs do when they can no longer blame Bush for every woe they have on this earth? It's tiresome, and you guys come across as whiney little girls, that act as if you have no control over your lives! It is NOT the governments "job" for you to live a comfortable existence.

[black01gt]

All throughout history, there are pictures of presidents with undesirables. Please pick a subject that is legitimate. Bush is soon out of office, so who, pray tell, will be your whipping boy? What will the libs do when they can no longer blame Bush for every woe they have on this earth? It's tiresome, and you guys come across as whiney little girls, that act as if you have no control over your lives! It is NOT the governments "job" for you to live a comfortable existence.
Spin and Deflect! Spin and Deflect! :D

And I didn't pick the subject. Your little sawed off buddy did. I don't want to start anything here. It's just that there are certain talkshow educated so called "conservatives" that need to come off their high horses and stop pretending that they're the only ones with answers and "proper" opinions.
They're easy to spot. They call anyone that doesn't rah rah with em a liberal.

"Bush is soon out of office, so who, pray tell, will be your whipping boy?" I'm sure he'll do for the rest of my lifetime. Cheney is a bonus even tho he could care less. The man's a zombie...

Find me a Ron Paul undesirable connection yet? I wouldn't waste time looking for big money lobbiest or Saudi type deals.

[slow06]

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Sig check?

That better?

I am not perfect, nor does anyone expect me to be, even as a Christian. I'm sure no one on here even knew i was until I just said so, nor do they care. But I also don't go around using bible verses to cut people down or raise myself up.

Some of you comments remind me of the Pharisees, who prayed aloud and tied boxes to their heads.

Listen, maybe your heart is in the right place, but you tactics are a little off.

[HookEm]

http://www.americanthinker.com/2007/11/the_ron_paul_campaign_and_its.html
Cindy Sheehan
Stormfront.org (Nazi movement)
Lew Rockwell
Alex Jones
The list could run 10+ deep.....



Spin and Deflect! Spin and Deflect! :D

And I didn't pick the subject. Your little sawed off buddy did. I don't want to start anything here. It's just that there are certain talkshow educated so called "conservatives" that need to come off their high horses and stop pretending that they're the only ones with answers and "proper" opinions.
They're easy to spot. They call anyone that doesn't rah rah with em a liberal.

"Bush is soon out of office, so who, pray tell, will be your whipping boy?" I'm sure he'll do for the rest of my lifetime. Cheney is a bonus even tho he could care less. The man's a zombie...

Find me a Ron Paul undesirable connection yet? I wouldn't waste time looking for big money lobbiest or Saudi type deals.

[HookEm]

Where did I use a Bible verse to cut someone down? Please elaborate.

That better?

I am not perfect, nor does anyone expect me to be, even as a Christian. I'm sure no one on here even knew i was until I just said so, nor do they care. But I also don't go around using bible verses to cut people down or raise myself up.

Some of you comments remind me of the Pharisees, who prayed aloud and tied boxes to their heads.

Listen, maybe your heart is in the right place, but you tactics are a little off.

[HookEm]

Why, because I didn't cower at the foot of the almight bcoop? Give me a break. The crux of his rant was about as indepth as the Jay and Silent Bob F Song:
f, f, f,
motha motha f
motha motha f, f
motha f, motha f
Noische Noische Noische Noische
:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:


Good grief, I havn't seen bcoop degenerate this far in a while.

[Vertnut]

Spin and Deflect! Spin and Deflect! :D

And I didn't pick the subject. Your little sawed off buddy did. I don't want to start anything here. It's just that there are certain talkshow educated so called "conservatives" that need to come off their high horses and stop pretending that they're the only ones with answers and "proper" opinions.
They're easy to spot. They call anyone that doesn't rah rah with em a liberal.

"Bush is soon out of office, so who, pray tell, will be your whipping boy?" I'm sure he'll do for the rest of my lifetime. Cheney is a bonus even tho he could care less. The man's a zombie...

Find me a Ron Paul undesirable connection yet? I wouldn't waste time looking for big money lobbiest or Saudi type deals.
Ron Paul was a joke as a presidential candidate. Every time he spoke, he looked like a deer caught in the headlights. He was not, and never will be, a viable candidate.

[slow06]

Where did I use a Bible verse to cut someone down? Please elaborate.

I don't remember where I read it. I may have misunderstood the context, I will admit. The question is do you get my point?

Think about your image on here, think about how you present yourself on DFWstangs (most of what I have read of you is probably in the political forums). You don't have to agree with them, but you don't have to act like a dick.

I'm mostly amazed that when I come to you with some constructive criticism, you refuse to look in the mirror and see if there might be any merit to what I say.

Ask the people on here what kind of image you portray, and see if anyone agrees with me. In the end, they are the people you are called to reach, right?

[black01gt]

http://www.americanthinker.com/2007/11/the_ron_paul_campaign_and_its.html
Cindy Sheehan
Stormfront.org (Nazi movement)
Lew Rockwell
Alex Jones
The list could run 10+ deep.....
You are completely uncapable of having your own opinion aren't you? Cutting and pasting other's wingnut slanted opinions is as much as I expected from you and Vert. This (these) are not examples of corrupt connections. They're are target specific and transparent propaganda hit pieces. That's all. With the media's axe job they weren't even necessary.
http://www.americanthinker.com/2007/11/the_ron_paul_campaign_and_its.html
WEAK ATTEMPT at best :o

[Vertnut]

You are completely uncapable of having your own opinion aren't you? Cutting and pasting other's wingnut slanted opinions is as much as I expected from you and Vert. This (these) are not examples of corrupt connections. They're are target specific propaganda hit pieces. That's all. With the media's axe job they weren't even necessary.
http://www.americanthinker.com/2007/11/the_ron_paul_campaign_and_its.html
WEAK ATTEMPT at best :o
You've NEVER seen me cut/paste an article on this board, since '01. I've never done it. As usual, you're lumping folks together...

[Paladin]

Pot, meet kettle. Damn, it's a rough crowd...

LOL!

[Paladin]

http://www.americanthinker.com/2007/11/the_ron_paul_campaign_and_its.html
Cindy Sheehan
Stormfront.org (Nazi movement)
Lew Rockwell
Alex Jones
The list could run 10+ deep.....

Great find! I wonder how the idiot RP supporter(s) will spin and deflect this? :D

[Paladin]

You are completely uncapable of having your own opinion aren't you? Cutting and pasting other's wingnut slanted opinions is as much as I expected from you and Vert. This (these) are not examples of corrupt connections. They're are target specific and transparent propaganda hit pieces. That's all. With the media's axe job they weren't even necessary.
http://www.americanthinker.com/2007/11/the_ron_paul_campaign_and_its.html
WEAK ATTEMPT at best :o

I guess I should have read a little further for my answer. LOL!

[Nate]

Stiiiiiiiiiiiiiill no answer to anyone. This just shows and proves that Hookem has no opinion of his own, and just regurgitates what he hears or says what he thinks the "cool crowd" will be ok with. It truly is a simple question, and though I might think you're full of shit with your BS responses and holier than thou attitude I would have actually given you an iota of respect for answering.
For the record, there are several folks on this site who thoroughly disliked me and thought I was an (insert word here). Over time, we managed to ask each other reasonable questions (like the one I posed to you) and responded to each other honestly and realized that we were not so far apart on many issues and respected each others intelligence. Even though we still had issues that we were completely opposite and vehemently oppesed to, we still manage to have respect for each other and debate intelligently.
Take that as you will. Maybe if you actually took an opportunity to respond and give a truthful and respectable answer, tone down the attitude towards everyone, and just get over this "I'm a victim" crap then people might actually give you the benefit of the doubt. Take a minute out of your day, and just respond to the question. It's not hard, and I'm genuinely interested to see what you will say.
SSHoly shit...I actually agreed with something this guy posted...

[black01gt]

Great find! I wonder how the idiot RP supporter(s) will spin and deflect this? :D
Oh there are massive meetings going on this morning nationwide to plan a strategy of damage control now that this has gained such attention. :rolleyes:

* This weak shit has been around forever and ignored by anyone with a brain and is not desperate. Even the media and most non RP supporters think it's a joke.

The challenge was to find a "legit" corrupt or conflict of interest connection to Ron Paul. You in?

[Vertnut]

Oh there are massive meetings going on this morning nationwide to plan a strategy of damage control now that this has gained such attention. :rolleyes:

* This weak shit has been around forever and ignored by anyone with a brain and is not desperate. Even the media and most non RP supporters think it's a joke.

The challenge was to find a "legit" corrupt or conflict of interest connection to Ron Paul. You in?
It's a moot point...Paul's out. Did you find my cut/paste articles that I've posted? :cool: Guess not...

[Paladin]

Oh there are massive meetings going on this morning nationwide to plan a strategy of damage control now that this has gained such attention. :rolleyes:

* This weak shit has been around forever and ignored by anyone with a brain and is not desperate. Even the media and most non RP supporters think it's a joke.

The challenge was to find a "legit" corrupt or conflict of interest connection to Ron Paul. You in?

Why would I care? RP was a joke from the beginning to most serious people. Has that changed somehow?

You ignored the info in that link and dismissed it as "weak shit" and post up a pic of Bush holding hands with a leader of another nation? Yeah, I take your opinion in such high regard that I am going to waste my time trying to convince you. :rolleyes:

[exlude]

Why, because I didn't cower at the foot of the almight bcoop? Give me a break. The crux of his rant was about as indepth as the Jay and Silent Bob F Song:
f, f, f,
motha motha f
motha motha f, f
motha f, motha f
Noische Noische Noische Noische
:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Yeah but he was talking about ACTUAL you, while you make up shit about him. And now you're modifying quotes...as I said.

[black01gt]

It's a moot point...Paul's out. Did you find my cut/paste articles that I've posted? :cool: Guess not...
"a moot point..." Uh huh...that's what I thought.
Your panties are mis-twisted here. I accused HookEm of cutting and pasting garbage instead of having a thought. Nice attempt to deflect for him but he still hasn't had an origional thought.

[black01gt]

Why would I care? RP was a joke from the beginning to most serious people. Has that changed somehow?

You ignored the info in that link and dismissed it as "weak shit" and post up a pic of Bush holding hands with a leader of another nation? Yeah, I take your opinion in such high regard that I am going to waste my time trying to convince you. :rolleyes:
With your weak and regurgitated rationale I seriously doubt that you could convince me of anything. I don't know. Why would you care? Better check with Ann Hannityoriellybaugh to see if you should care. Did you lose you "mock conservative handbook"?

[Vertnut]

"a moot point..." Uh huh...that's what I thought.
Your panties are mis-twisted here. I accused HookEm of cutting and pasting garbage instead of having a thought. Nice attempt to deflect for him but he still hasn't had an origional thought.
Can you not hold a single thought? You accused Hook 'em AND me of cut/paste posts'. I said I had never done that...I'm still waiting for another weak-ass post from you about your accusation. Is "deflect" your "word of the day"? As a Ron Paul supporter, do you not think he is done? You may as well be talking about George McGovern! He's D-O-N-E!

[bcoop]

Yeah but he was talking about ACTUAL you, while you make up shit about him. And now you're modifying quotes...as I said.



It's because he's got the mental capacity of a five year old. ;)

[HookEm]

http://www.jamesomarafelice.com/images/cdcoverblahblahblah.jpg


It's because he's got the mental capacity of a five year old. ;)

[bcoop]

http://www.jamesomarafelice.com/images/cdcoverblahblahblah.jpg



Once again, all you do is regurgitate utter bullshit. I wonder what it's like to suffer through life unable to form an original thought or opinion. Why don't you enlighten me?

[HookEm]

When you point the finger at someone, three point back at you. What exactly have you contributed, other than :rolleyes: -laced, vulgarity ridden, ad hom attacks?

Do you think you're postings have been a requiem for Mensa candidates?

What you accuse me of, are the exact tactics you engage in.

Once again, all you do is regurgitate utter bullshit. I wonder what it's like to suffer through life unable to form an original thought or opinion. Why don't you enlighten me?

[black01gt]

Can you not hold a single thought? You accused Hook 'em AND me of cut/paste posts'. I said I had never done that...I'm still waiting for another weak-ass post from you about your accusation. Is "deflect" your "word of the day"? As a Ron Paul supporter, do you not think he is done? You may as well be talking about George McGovern! He's D-O-N-E!
1) Where?
2) No. It's just that that's all I see from you and your little buddy.
3) What's done about Ron Paul? He's a senior congressman with more support and momentum now than he's had in his 20 years of congressional service. No he's N-O-T! And oh yeah...he's not a corporate servant; he's a conservative leader. Not that you would know the differance.

Thanks to political and "patriotic" genius' like you...enjoy President Obama and his guesswork future.

[black01gt]

When you point the finger at someone, three point back at you. What exactly have you contributed, other than :rolleyes: -laced, vulgarity ridden, ad hom attacks?

Do you think you're postings have been a requiem for Mensa candidates?

What you accuse me of, are the exact tactics you engage in.
Now that's funny. :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D

[bcoop]

When you point the finger at someone, three point back at you.


Ok Mommy, sorry. I forgot.


What exactly have you contributed,

Unlike you, I contribute my thoughts, opinions, and views. Whereas you contribute someone else's thoughts, opinions, and views. For no reason other than you not being intelligent enough to form your own opinions, thoughts, and views.

ther than :rolleyes: -laced, vulgarity ridden, ad hom attacks?


Once again, you've got nothing. I used ONE smiley, and now all my posts are laced with emoticons. Genius, I tell you.

I get it now. Because your attacks don't contain vulgarity, they are somehow better than mine? Ah, I see. Thank you for enlightening me, Einstein. I should feel honored that you shared your blatant ignorance with me.


Do you think you're postings have been a requiem for Mensa candidates?


Did I say that? Stop reaching, HookEm. However, I know how to form my own thoughts and opinions, and put them in my own words. It's a very simple thing I learned as a child. Something your parents apparently never taught you how to do.




What you accuse me of, are the exact tactics you engage in.


Wrong again, Corky.

[bcoop]

Now that's funny. :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D



Not really. It's actually quite sad.

[HookEm]

Not really. It's actually quite sad.


Spot on, as usual, bcoop!

[black01gt]

Not really. It's actually quite sad.
No, his use of "when you point your finger at someone blah blah..." was hilarious coming from him.

[bcoop]

Spot on, as usual, bcoop!



Ignorant and unoriginal, as usual, BookEm.

[slow06]

So...How bout those terrorists? :p

[99MustangGT]

Ask the people on here what kind of image you portray, and see if anyone agrees with me. In the end, they are the people you are called to reach, right?

I think he's a newly found Bible thumper but whatever floats his boat.


Religion doesn't give anyone the right to judge OR belittle anyone else for their beliefs and/or different opinions.
"Let he who has not sinned cast the first stone…"

(Another reason why I think religion and politics should be seperate- as much as they can be..)

[Paladin]

With your weak and regurgitated rationale I seriously doubt that you could convince me of anything. I don't know. Why would you care? Better check with Ann Hannityoriellybaugh to see if you should care. Did you lose you "mock conservative handbook"?

Have any of them ever asked for your vote? When I point out the people you support and make fun of them or attack their position, it involves people who have asked for a vote. Why can't you find people to attack me with that have actually asked for a vote, other than your favorite "I hate Bush" crap?

BTW, I know the answer, yet I doubt you will admit it. LOL

[Stang Seller]

No, his use of "when you point your finger at someone blah blah..." was hilarious coming from him.
Haha, that made me giggle a little bit too. LOL @ 3 point back at you, I wonder how many are now pointing back at Hookedoncrack-Em's direction???

HookEm, let me quote myself once again:

So how do you feel about the Bush families ties to Osama Bin Laden & Family and other Saudi's who have been proven to fund terrorism and Anti-American acts??
SS

Still got nothing but pathetic deflections? Do you really think this "I know you are but what am I" third grade mentality of yours will fly? Maybe thats what they teach you in bible-drug-addiction camp, but in the real world when you actually have to give responses and come up with thoughts of your own on the spot it will not do you any good. Your ridiculous "Good job buddy, you're spot on as usual" shit is quite pathetic.

You made this thread about Obama's supposed "ties" to terrorists, and you're full of opinions when it comes to attacking someone you do not support. But you cannot even come up with a single rational thought of your own to offer in response to a very simple question. The quote is right up there, take a look at it and give us all a response. I'm not the only one requesting an answer to this, that's got to tell you something!!!
SS

[Vertnut]

Haha, that made me giggle a little bit too. LOL @ 3 point back at you, I wonder how many are now pointing back at Hookedoncrack-Em's direction???

HookEm, let me quote myself once again:



Still got nothing but pathetic deflections? Do you really think this "I know you are but what am I" third grade mentality of yours will fly? Maybe thats what they teach you in bible-drug-addiction camp, but in the real world when you actually have to give responses and come up with thoughts of your own on the spot it will not do you any good. Your ridiculous "Good job buddy, you're spot on as usual" shit is quite pathetic.

You made this thread about Obama's supposed "ties" to terrorists, and you're full of opinions when it comes to attacking someone you do not support. But you cannot even come up with a single rational thought of your own to offer in response to a very simple question. The quote is right up there, take a look at it and give us all a response. I'm not the only one requesting an answer to this, that's got to tell you something!!!
SS
Funny...nobody asked you anything about Canadian politics. No bitching, crying, hatred...nothing. Why is that? And why do you have such an interest in us? If I were the MOD for this forum (and I'm not), you would not be posting in this forum. Nothing personal, but you have nothing positive to offer. Just wondered about your fascination with our politics...because we damn sure don't care about yours.

[HookEm]

Good job, buddy, you're spot-on as usual!

Haha, that made me giggle a little bit too. LOL @ 3 point back at you, I wonder how many are now pointing back at Hookedoncrack-Em's direction???

HookEm, let me quote myself once again:



Still got nothing but pathetic deflections? Do you really think this "I know you are but what am I" third grade mentality of yours will fly? Maybe thats what they teach you in bible-drug-addiction camp, but in the real world when you actually have to give responses and come up with thoughts of your own on the spot it will not do you any good. Your ridiculous "Good job buddy, you're spot on as usual" shit is quite pathetic.

You made this thread about Obama's supposed "ties" to terrorists, and you're full of opinions when it comes to attacking someone you do not support. But you cannot even come up with a single rational thought of your own to offer in response to a very simple question. The quote is right up there, take a look at it and give us all a response. I'm not the only one requesting an answer to this, that's got to tell you something!!!
SS

[Stang Seller]

Funny...nobody asked you anything about Canadian politics. No bitching, crying, hatred...nothing. Why is that? And why do you have such an interest in us? If I were the MOD for this forum (and I'm not), you would not be posting in this forum. Nothing personal, but you have nothing positive to offer. Just wondered about your fascination with our politics...because we damn sure don't care about yours.
Dont get your panties in a bunch. I dont care much about Canadian politics either. But, I mainly post here because of the terrorism aspect of the forum. I am interested in American politics because it has and will continue to affect my life, let's not forget Jimmy Carter.

I do think that I have something positive to offer, as I'm kind of a neutral voice with intelligence and a fair/unbiased viewpoint on some matters. I also have connections/family in the Middle East who give me their opinions and information that I sometimes share here.

Either way, I wasnt asking your opinion on this matter. This question would have been better asked via PM, because now HookEm is probably going to use this to sidetrack the conversation and try to cater to you or others and instead try to make this about me. I wanted to hear HookEm's opinion because I wonder if he thinks Obama's very very thin connection to this "terrorist" individual/group is this important, then what is his take on the Bush family connection to proven supporters of terrorism and relatives to Osama bin Laden. That is all. Still waiting on an answer.
SS

[Stang Seller]

Good job, buddy, you're spot-on as usual!
LMAO, how predictable. You're always spot-on.
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[HookEm]

I find it appalling that you consider this man, who bombed US government buildings, to not REALLY be a terrorist, as evidenced by your "terrorist" remark.

But hey, you're a Canuck in an American forum. Why?
For you to color yourself as "neutral," "fair," or "objective" is laughable.




Dont get your panties in a bunch. I dont care much about Canadian politics either. But, I mainly post here because of the terrorism aspect of the forum. I am interested in American politics because it has and will continue to affect my life, let's not forget Jimmy Carter.

I do think that I have something positive to offer, as I'm kind of a neutral voice with intelligence and a fair/unbiased viewpoint on some matters. I also have connections/family in the Middle East who give me their opinions and information that I sometimes share here.

Either way, I wasnt asking your opinion on this matter. This question would have been better asked via PM, because now HookEm is probably going to use this to sidetrack the conversation and try to cater to you or others and instead try to make this about me. I wanted to hear HookEm's opinion because I wonder if he thinks Obama's very very thin connection to this "terrorist" individual/group is this important, then what is his take on the Bush family connection to proven supporters of terrorism and relatives to Osama bin Laden. That is all. Still waiting on an answer.
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[Stang Seller]

I find it appalling that you consider this man, who bombed US government buildings, to not REALLY be a terrorist, as evidenced by your "terrorist" remark.

But hey, you're a Canuck in an American forum. Why?
For you to color yourself as "neutral," "fair," or "objective" is laughable.
Evidenced? Wow, you're quite the sleuth! I never once said he wasn't a terrorist, and that's not even the fucking issue here. Stop deflecting you imbecile, and answer the motherfucking question. Cant you bring yourself to come up with ONE reasonable answer to a simple freakin question????
But hey, I'm a Canuck (apparently) in an American forum. This has been answered before so if you really want to know.... search!
For you to act holier than thou and attempt to insult anyone with your coloured history is more than quite laughable.
STOP DEFLECTING AND ANSWER THE SIMPLE QUESTION. How do you feel about the Bush family's ties to terrorists and family members of Osama Bin Laden??
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[HookEm]

Did you not type this?

I wonder if he thinks Obama's very very thin connection to this "terrorist"


It's obvious what you were implying. It's also rather obvious that you eat from the trough of Alex Jones and the rest of the "911 Truther" nuts.

Yes, W and Bin LAden planned 9/11. You have mad interwebz skillz! Ninja like!

Evidenced? Wow, you're quite the sleuth! I never once said he wasn't a terrorist, and that's not even the fucking issue here. Stop deflecting you imbecile, and answer the motherfucking question. Cant you bring yourself to come up with ONE reasonable answer to a simple freakin question????
But hey, I'm a Canuck (apparently) in an American forum. This has been answered before so if you really want to know.... search!
For you to act holier than thou and attempt to insult anyone with your coloured history is more than quite laughable.
STOP DEFLECTING AND ANSWER THE SIMPLE QUESTION. How do you feel about the Bush family's ties to terrorists and family members of Osama Bin Laden??
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[Vertnut]

Dont get your panties in a bunch. I dont care much about Canadian politics either. But, I mainly post here because of the terrorism aspect of the forum. I am interested in American politics because it has and will continue to affect my life, let's not forget Jimmy Carter.

I do think that I have something positive to offer, as I'm kind of a neutral voice with intelligence and a fair/unbiased viewpoint on some matters. I also have connections/family in the Middle East who give me their opinions and information that I sometimes share here.

Either way, I wasnt asking your opinion on this matter. This question would have been better asked via PM, because now HookEm is probably going to use this to sidetrack the conversation and try to cater to you or others and instead try to make this about me. I wanted to hear HookEm's opinion because I wonder if he thinks Obama's very very thin connection to this "terrorist" individual/group is this important, then what is his take on the Bush family connection to proven supporters of terrorism and relatives to Osama bin Laden. That is all. Still waiting on an answer.
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Actually, my panties aren't in a bunch. I was more curious than anything.