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STROKD
04-28-2008, 08:46 PM
Anyone getting it? What consoles? I am getting it for both, not sure which console is better, but I hear online will be better on 360, and the game itself has loess load time and pop ups on the PS3... I kinda want only hte 360 version, but pop ups annoy the hell out of me, esp on a high def system. :(
Stevo
04-28-2008, 09:02 PM
[QUOTE=STROKD]Anyone getting it? What consoles? I am getting it for both, not sure which console is better, but I hear online will be better on 360, and the game itself has loess load time and pop ups on the PS3... I kinda want only hte 360 version, but pop ups annoy the hell out of me, esp on a high def system. :([/QUOTE]
Pop ups? I don't have a ps3 or 360 so can you explain what you mean? Pop-ups like the shit you get with a PC?
Stevo
Roliath
04-28-2008, 10:07 PM
I started one a few days ago
http://dfwstangs.net/forums/showthread.php?t=359132
but besides that, i'm picking mine up in two hours.
360, exclusive downloads ftw..
(collector's edition btw)
SVT Lurch
04-28-2008, 10:21 PM
Pop ups are the trees randomly appearing in the distance while you're driving, and stuff like that. The PS3 has a graphics accelerator or something that prevents that from happening. I might be getting it on 360 next week.
musclestang89
04-28-2008, 10:59 PM
As long as Walmart has it in about an hr I will be getting it tonight. If not then tomorrow. I will be getting for the 360.
hmmm I'm not really for sure when or if I ever do buy a game for the PS3 :D
Oh I hope there are cheats for the game, damn I always had a problem if I didn't use a cheat code ;) , yea yea yea I know
STROKD
04-28-2008, 11:20 PM
[QUOTE=musclestang89]As long as Walmart has it in about an hr I will be getting it tonight. If not then tomorrow. I will be getting for the 360.
hmmm I'm not really for sure when or if I ever do buy a game for the PS3 :D
Oh I hope there are cheats for the game, damn I always had a problem if I didn't use a cheat code ;) , yea yea yea I know[/QUOTE]
Metal Gear 4 comes out exclusively for PS3 in June, so I'd say around June you will get your first PS3 game... :p
musclestang89
04-30-2008, 01:40 AM
fuck i need help. how in the hell do you throw something threw the window? Man I can pick something up but by the time i get over there its not in my hand no more
johnP
04-30-2008, 01:57 AM
just shoot it out with pistol like i did.
musclestang89
04-30-2008, 01:58 AM
[QUOTE=johnP]just shoot it out with pistol like i did.[/QUOTE]
hmmm good idea, now I need a gun :(
momo stallion
04-30-2008, 07:57 AM
[QUOTE=STROKD]Metal Gear 4 comes out exclusively for PS3 in June, so I'd say around June you will get your first PS3 game... :p[/QUOTE]
that might be the reason i finally buy one!
SY04Mustang
04-30-2008, 08:13 AM
got it yesterday for ps3- pretty fuckin cool so far.. no online yet though
johnP
04-30-2008, 08:21 AM
i didnt buy the gun, got it from another guy doing one of his missions, little jacob was his name i think.
FATHERFORD
04-30-2008, 08:28 AM
Yeah, little jacob gives you one, and when you kill those 4 dudes you can get there shit also.
I got a shotty some how. No idea.
BTW don't try and cross the bridges with police gaurding them. Instant death!
Beto_GTZ
04-30-2008, 08:52 AM
I finally played it last night for a few hours...I didn't see a big problem with popups on my 360. i think some shrubs by the car wash were the only ones that did it. The game is fucken sweet though! And the window breaking part was annoying until I used a brick :D
71chevellejohn
04-30-2008, 08:59 AM
[QUOTE=FATHERFORD]Yeah, little jacob gives you one, and when you kill those 4 dudes you can get there shit also.
I got a shotty some how. No idea.
BTW don't try and cross the bridges with police gaurding them. Instant death![/QUOTE]
If you run along the railroad across the bridge you can get to the next island, just don't go above ground. Or use a cheat code and get the helicopter :D
Cobra_Killer
04-30-2008, 08:59 AM
[QUOTE=Beto_GTZ]I finally played it last night for a few hours...I didn't see a big problem with popups on my 360. i think some shrubs by the car wash were the only ones that did it. The game is fucken sweet though! And the window breaking part was annoying until I used a brick :D[/QUOTE]
Got it for the PS3 last night and played for a few hours, pretty damn fun, I wasted a lot of time taking out Michelle trying to get Nikko laid & it finaly paid off! :D
STROKD
04-30-2008, 09:34 AM
[QUOTE=FATHERFORD]Yeah, little jacob gives you one, and when you kill those 4 dudes you can get there shit also.
I got a shotty some how. No idea.
BTW don't try and cross the bridges with police gaurding them. Instant death![/QUOTE]
Really? It said to pa a $5 toll, and I did and then I went to the strip club on the north side of the middle island... fucken greatness, listen to what he sys to the girls in the private dances....
STROKD
04-30-2008, 09:35 AM
[QUOTE=musclestang89]fuck i need help. how in the hell do you throw something threw the window? Man I can pick something up but by the time i get over there its not in my hand no more[/QUOTE]
same as gernade, when you pick it up, run over there, don't press the trigger, and then left trigger to aim, then right trigger to toss... took me about 2 minutes for that level.
STROKD
04-30-2008, 09:37 AM
[QUOTE=Cobra_Killer]Got it for the PS3 last night and played for a few hours, pretty damn fun, I wasted a lot of time taking out Michelle trying to get Nikko laid & it finaly paid off! :D[/QUOTE]
yep i did that too! The pool playing on the game is fun as hell, you can put spin on the ball and draw and everything! I ran the table damn near once, and she's all dang you are pretty good, and then, OK I get the point! hahaha :D
Effigy
04-30-2008, 10:18 AM
I havent seen many problems that bug me in the 360 version
and multiplayer is awesome. xbox live is great and makes it easy as hell.
FATHERFORD
04-30-2008, 10:43 AM
[QUOTE=71chevellejohn]If you run along the railroad across the bridge you can get to the next island, just don't go above ground. Or use a cheat code and get the helicopter :D[/QUOTE]
Is that why those fuckers were attacking me?
I somehow got a truck and was driving on that. Next thing I know i was fucked.
Beto_GTZ
04-30-2008, 10:54 AM
[QUOTE=Cobra_Killer]Got it for the PS3 last night and played for a few hours, pretty damn fun, I wasted a lot of time taking out Michelle trying to get Nikko laid & it finaly paid off! :D[/QUOTE]
How many dates did you have to go on? I took her bowling then to the restaurant, but I didn't try my luck...
Effigy
04-30-2008, 10:57 AM
[QUOTE=Beto_GTZ]How many dates did you have to go on? I took her bowling then to the restaurant, but I didn't try my luck...[/QUOTE]
I went on 1 date and got into her house....
Michelle=easy apparently.
Effigy
04-30-2008, 10:59 AM
After I went in michelles and scored there a couple times I hit the strip joint with Roman...
BTW.....for some reason the bouncers attacked me after 3 lapdances with 2 strippers. I looked away a second and next thing I knew 2 dudes were trying to beat me up!
Thankfully I smacked em down and left the joint, hotwiring a new car of course.
I love the game! :D :D :D :D
I need to find a new clothes store though.
Effigy
04-30-2008, 11:05 AM
[QUOTE=musclestang89]fuck i need help. how in the hell do you throw something threw the window? Man I can pick something up but by the time i get over there its not in my hand no more[/QUOTE]
Lemme guess, bull in a china shop mission?
Go to the green dot on radar, to the bricks on the floor. Hit left bumper ONCE to pick one up, run back to the window dont hit a trigger on accident.
Then at the window, left trigger to lock on it and right trigger to throw it.
musclestang89
04-30-2008, 12:00 PM
[QUOTE=STROKD]same as gernade, when you pick it up, run over there, don't press the trigger, and then left trigger to aim, then right trigger to toss... took me about 2 minutes for that level.[/QUOTE]
where do you pick up a gernade?
Is there a gun store?
musclestang89
04-30-2008, 12:02 PM
[QUOTE=Effigy]Lemme guess, bull in a china shop mission?
Go to the green dot on radar, to the bricks on the floor. Hit left bumper ONCE to pick one up, run back to the window dont hit a trigger on accident.
Then at the window, left trigger to lock on it and right trigger to throw it.[/QUOTE]
i don't see a green dot, i'm on the mission right now. :o
STROKD
04-30-2008, 12:02 PM
[QUOTE=Effigy]I went on 1 date and got into her house....
Michelle=easy apparently.[/QUOTE]
haha yea, went bowling, called her up, shot pool, and then warm coffee... :D
STROKD
04-30-2008, 12:03 PM
[QUOTE=musclestang89]where do you pick up a gernade?
Is there a gun store?[/QUOTE]
no i said its like throwing the gernade... go get a brick in the construction site around the corner... teh GPS is your friend! ;)
musclestang89
04-30-2008, 12:09 PM
sweet got it, i found out throwing it at the door does not work :D
Cobra_Killer
04-30-2008, 12:13 PM
[QUOTE=musclestang89]sweet got it, i found out throwing it at the door does not work :D[/QUOTE]
LOL :D yea you gotta throw it at the window!
The Big Matt
04-30-2008, 12:38 PM
I think I'm about 20% complete as of last night.
Effigy
04-30-2008, 12:41 PM
[QUOTE=musclestang89]i don't see a green dot, i'm on the mission right now. :o[/QUOTE]
once you threaten the guy thru the door there should be a green dot,
its across the street behind you and behind the building, theres a buncha trash back there
The Big Matt
04-30-2008, 01:07 PM
[QUOTE=Effigy]once you threaten the guy thru the door there should be a green dot,
its across the street behind you and behind the building, theres a buncha trash back there[/QUOTE]
There's actually a rock or can by the trashcans right across the street you can use.
Walk across the street to the trashcans. right on the curb will be a can or rock. Press the LB to pick it up.
FATHERFORD
04-30-2008, 01:13 PM
I also heard you can just shoot the damn window...
The Big Matt
04-30-2008, 01:15 PM
[QUOTE=FATHERFORD]I also heard you can just shoot the damn window...[/QUOTE]
If you are following the story line, then you don't have a gun yet
71chevellejohn
04-30-2008, 01:34 PM
[QUOTE=The Big Matt]If you are following the story line, then you don't have a gun yet[/QUOTE]
I had a shotgun (from a cop car I guess) - I tried the cheats for weapons and for the helicopter but didn't save after so it didn't log it permanently.
Firing a rocket launcher gets [COLOR=Red][SIZE=5]a LOT [/SIZE] [/COLOR] of attention from the police
The Big Matt
04-30-2008, 01:38 PM
oh and a side note... When given the choice to Kill Dwayne or Playboy X... Choose Playboy X - nothing changes other than you get his safe house if you kill him, and nothing if you kill Dwayne.
wesman
04-30-2008, 01:39 PM
Got it on Mon for the 360....haven't played it yet tho.
I pre-ordered from Amazon.
--wes
Effigy
04-30-2008, 01:48 PM
[QUOTE=71chevellejohn]I had a shotgun (from a cop car I guess) - I tried the cheats for weapons and for the helicopter but didn't save after so it didn't log it permanently.
Firing a rocket launcher gets [COLOR=Red][SIZE=5]a LOT [/SIZE] [/COLOR] of attention from the police[/QUOTE]
I flew one in multi.
Its fun as hell but takes a while to adjust too.
I want to play more 16 player multi tho, when I played it was just a few of us jackin around. But i'd love to fly around with a crew and land near people, gun em down and hop in the helicopter and take off again.
Plus the chopper has machine guns :D
71chevellejohn
04-30-2008, 01:54 PM
[QUOTE=Effigy]I flew one in multi.
Its fun as hell but takes a while to adjust too.
I want to play more 16 player multi tho, when I played it was just a few of us jackin around. But i'd love to fly around with a crew and land near people, gun em down and hop in the helicopter and take off again.
Plus the chopper has machine guns :D[/QUOTE]
I flew a small chopper in the Sixaxis tutorial but it failed me because the chopper crashed. I jumped out instead of landing correctly. :eek:
Was your multi on XBOX360 or PS3 - I'm playing PS3 and haven't been able to get online yet :(
Effigy
04-30-2008, 02:03 PM
[QUOTE=71chevellejohn]I flew a small chopper in the Sixaxis tutorial but it failed me because the chopper crashed. I jumped out instead of landing correctly. :eek:
Was your multi on XBOX360 or PS3 - I'm playing PS3 and haven't been able to get online yet :([/QUOTE]
xbox baby!
I like xbox live and its achievements yadda yadda.
The game has an interesting way of tying it all in though. You use your cellphone to go to multi
71chevellejohn
04-30-2008, 02:07 PM
[QUOTE=Effigy] You use your cellphone to go to multi[/QUOTE]
Same on PS3 it just wouldn't connect - server may not not be fully operational, or it was over-run with people playing, will try again soon.
musclestang89
04-30-2008, 02:17 PM
[QUOTE=71chevellejohn]Same on PS3 it just wouldn't connect - server may not not be fully operational, or it was over-run with people playing, will try again soon.[/QUOTE]
gotta love that free stuff :eek: :p
well all need to get something going for us that own a 360 :p , but i can only play at night after 10:00pm.
Effigy
04-30-2008, 02:18 PM
[QUOTE=71chevellejohn]Same on PS3 it just wouldn't connect - server may not not be fully operational, or it was over-run with people playing, will try again soon.[/QUOTE]
Does the ps3 itself not have anything like xboxlive? cause I can also use that xboxlive menu to auto join friends gta sessions. Another perk to xbox. I like the ps3 looks and games just not to keen on what ive seen/heard of its multi community.
Downside to any multi community like that is the 12 year olds tho...but that's what friend lists are for!
Effigy
04-30-2008, 02:19 PM
[QUOTE=musclestang89]gotta love that free stuff :eek: :p
well all need to get something going for us that own a 360 :p , but i can only play at night after 10:00pm.[/QUOTE]
I'm down for a little gang warfare. DfwS vs the world I guess!
71chevellejohn
04-30-2008, 02:24 PM
I've never had any problems connecting with "Orange Box" or Burnout Paradise". I only attempted twice then I figured it may not be fully online yet - first day of the game being out and all.
.. but at least it is free
Effigy
04-30-2008, 02:29 PM
[QUOTE=71chevellejohn]I've never had any problems connecting with "Orange Box" or Burnout Paradise". I only attempted twice then I figured it may not be fully online yet - first day of the game being out and all.
.. but at least it is free[/QUOTE]
Probably.
But even tho xbox live does cost, its minimal. It has its ups and downs like anything. 50 bucks for 13 months is hardly anything though. And you get the occasional free movie downloads, shows, demos, addons to games etc etc.
musclestang89
04-30-2008, 02:29 PM
[QUOTE=71chevellejohn]I've never had any problems connecting with "Orange Box" or Burnout Paradise". I only attempted twice then I figured it may not be fully online yet - first day of the game being out and all.
.. but at least it is free[/QUOTE]
its only $50 a year for the 360, thats not going to break any of us multi millionaires on dfwstangs :D
I also have a PS3 ;)
Magnus
04-30-2008, 04:18 PM
[QUOTE=The Big Matt]BTW, May I recommend getting all of your "friends" respect and like up above 75%... not sure on exactly the ammount for each person, but, here's what you get..
You can call your friends for help:
Packie - Will wire a bomb in a car for you
Brucie - Will let you borrow his helicopter
Lil Jacob - Will come meet you and sell you guns
Dwayne - Will send a car of thugs to help you
Roman - Will send a cab for you for free
Dates:
Carmen - will help heal you over the phone
Kiki - will reduce your wanted level
Alex - will arrange discounts at the clothing store[/QUOTE]
Would kiki's ability work in a mission where the wanted level is part of the mission, or only on the wanted level accidently gained during a mission?
71chevellejohn
04-30-2008, 05:28 PM
[QUOTE=Godmagnus]If "free" means "getting things second" *cough*cod4 maps*cough*, i'll pass, and pay $50 a year. If you can't afford $4 a month, this is the wrong hobby to enjoy, and you should probably start living off of ramen noodles.
I just picked up gta4. . .. i couldn't resist for long.[/QUOTE]
<---- Doesn't play COD4, doesn't care about maps for COD4
I never said anything about not being able to afford $4 a month. What I meant was that for free I could live with a glitch here or there, but so far with my other online games I haven't had any.
From what I have read today the problem appears to be on Rockstar's side.
I'm not talking crap about your precious XBOX or their service - let's get this thread back to the game now.
BLAKE
04-30-2008, 05:46 PM
[QUOTE=Godmagnus]If "free" means "getting things second" *cough*cod4 maps*cough*, i'll pass, and pay $50 a year.[/QUOTE]
lol, so less than three weeks earlier is worth $50 to you? Jeebus, you are a fuckin' COD4 nerd.
The Big Matt
04-30-2008, 07:13 PM
30 percent completed as of right now, a few more hours to play before heading to the bar
71chevellejohn
04-30-2008, 07:21 PM
BTW, online mode is working now
Sean88gt
05-02-2008, 12:59 AM
I played for a couple hours last night, just creating general mayhem and fucking things up.
People fight back a lot harder in this game. I had a mexican guy that looked like Fred drag me off his bike and kick the shit out of me.
[QUOTE=Sean88gt]I played for a couple hours last night, just creating general mayhem and fucking things up.
People fight back a lot harder in this game. I had a mexican guy that looked like Fred drag me off his bike and kick the shit out of me.[/QUOTE]
the game is freaking excellent. the map is HUGE, as is the extent of what you can do. i'm still a little shocked at the breadth of gameplay.
Effigy
05-02-2008, 09:45 AM
[QUOTE=Sean88gt]I played for a couple hours last night, just creating general mayhem and fucking things up.
People fight back a lot harder in this game. I had a mexican guy that looked like Fred drag me off his bike and kick the shit out of me.[/QUOTE]
rofl yea and they defend each other....
I was trying to jack one guy and some other dude gets out of his car and starts punching me in the back of the head....
Damn new yorkers.
I have a pistol now tho so its all good. To the strip joint I go!
Magnus
05-02-2008, 10:02 AM
[QUOTE=Effigy]rofl yea and they defend each other....
I was trying to jack one guy and some other dude gets out of his car and starts punching me in the back of the head....
Damn new yorkers.
I have a pistol now tho so its all good. To the strip joint I go![/QUOTE]
Don't go on stage with the dancers, the bouncers will jump you!
03darkshadow
05-02-2008, 10:03 AM
dude,I love that game! not so good @ It but it's still fun! :cool:
Effigy
05-02-2008, 10:44 AM
[QUOTE=Godmagnus]Don't go on stage with the dancers, the bouncers will jump you![/QUOTE]
dude i got jumped for gettin 3 lap dances, i think the ladies were wantin to get frisky...or nico was.....lol
SY04Mustang
05-02-2008, 11:12 AM
i havent been in there once when they havent attacked me for no reason...
Effigy
05-02-2008, 11:31 AM
[QUOTE=SY04Mustang]i havent been in there once when they havent attacked me for no reason...[/QUOTE]
Jealous bastards IMO
[QUOTE=71chevellejohn]I had a shotgun (from a cop car I guess) - I tried the cheats for weapons and for the helicopter but didn't save after so it didn't log it permanently.
[/QUOTE]
I'm happy to say that this will be the first GTA that I play all of the way through without using cheats. I've started to do it before in previous games, and always just give up after a while :o
exlude
05-02-2008, 11:38 AM
[QUOTE=SOHC]I'm happy to say that this will be the first GTA that I play all of the way through without using cheats. I've started to do it before in previous games, and always just give up after a while :o[/QUOTE]
I did that for the first time with GTA:SA, I never knew the games were so damn hard :p
I actually reinstalled the first GTA (the 2D one) yesterday to reminisce.
The Big Matt
05-02-2008, 12:51 PM
I'm on the final island as of yesterday evening. I think high 30 percent completed.
I've played straight thru, no general mayhem or cheating on this profile. However on another profile, I've tested the cheats, and fucked around a bit.
There's some very tough missions in this game compared to San Andreas.
Effigy
05-02-2008, 04:31 PM
[QUOTE=The Big Matt]I'm on the final island as of yesterday evening. I think high 30 percent completed.
I've played straight thru, no general mayhem or cheating on this profile. However on another profile, I've tested the cheats, and fucked around a bit.
There's some very tough missions in this game compared to San Andreas.[/QUOTE]
I'm takin my sweet ass time and still on the V and R missions... lol...
But i've been playing too much R62.
That and when im in GTA I just go to the pool hall, darts and bowling alley... or drive around carjacking.
lolo89cpe
05-02-2008, 04:41 PM
Whats the cheat code for guns ? or the site name to get it from
bcoop
05-02-2008, 04:41 PM
[QUOTE=lolo89cpe]Whats the cheat code for guns ? or the site name to get it from[/QUOTE]
google
lolo89cpe
05-02-2008, 04:42 PM
well i thought there would be a gaming site to go to
lolo89cpe
05-02-2008, 04:45 PM
heres the link http://www.absolutegadget.com/200804291326/news/games/cheat-your-way-through-grand-theft-auto-iv/page-2.html
goober0709
05-02-2008, 08:14 PM
[QUOTE=momo stallion]that might be the reason i finally buy one![/QUOTE]
MGS4 is the only reason I'm picking up a PS3. Well also cuz of Rachet & Clank and Gran Turismo.
musclestang89
05-02-2008, 11:24 PM
[QUOTE=SOHC]I'm happy to say that this will be the first GTA that I play all of the way through without using cheats. I've started to do it before in previous games, and always just give up after a while :o[/QUOTE]
LMAO sounds like me. I'm going to give it a shot but I never finish a game. A new one always comes out before I can finish it. Its real hard for me to try and finish now due to online playing.
Now I came real close to beating SA but I cheated all the way through. lol. I knew codes from memory that would just about get me anything. I love the monster truck from that game. :eek:
71chevellejohn
05-02-2008, 11:45 PM
[QUOTE=Effigy]dude i got jumped for gettin 3 lap dances, i think the ladies were wantin to get frisky...or nico was.....lol[/QUOTE]
I got jumped for getting 2 dances back to back, of course I didn't have any money. :D
Magnus
05-03-2008, 11:03 AM
holy crap. 2 hours wasted last night on multiplayer, in the online-free roam lobby, there was nothing accomplished and still some of the most fun in awhile.
grove rat
05-03-2008, 11:06 AM
[QUOTE=Godmagnus]holy crap. 2 hours wasted last night on multiplayer, in the online-free roam lobby, there was nothing accomplished and still some of the most fun in awhile.[/QUOTE]
so what do you do in the multiplayer(online) game?
i played a few missions last night on a buddies ps3, badass game
Magnus
05-03-2008, 11:31 AM
[QUOTE=grove rat]so what do you do in the multiplayer(online) game?
i played a few missions last night on a buddies ps3, badass game[/QUOTE]there are deathmatches, objective based matches (like territory capture, kill the mob boss, racing) and just the cool ability to dick around.
grove rat
05-03-2008, 11:36 AM
badass
[QUOTE=Godmagnus]holy crap. 2 hours wasted last night on multiplayer, in the online-free roam lobby, there was nothing accomplished and still some of the most fun in awhile.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, its crazy how much fun you can have doin nothing. :D
Magnus
05-04-2008, 01:07 AM
Here's a pretty cool egg in the game:
Get inside the statue or liberty-thingie, (pain in the ass, have to use a helicopter to get in the door facing the south at the base of the feet), climb the latter, and here's what you'll see:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/1003/godmagnus/heart.jpg
Effigy
05-04-2008, 03:02 AM
[QUOTE=Godmagnus]Here's a pretty cool egg in the game:
Get inside the statue or liberty-thingie, (pain in the ass, have to use a helicopter to get in the door facing the south at the base of the feet), climb the latter, and here's what you'll see:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/1003/godmagnus/heart.jpg[/QUOTE]
wtf lol
SVT Lurch
05-04-2008, 03:32 AM
[QUOTE=Effigy]wtf lol[/QUOTE]
It's the Allspark. The Transformer movie was right about it being hidden in a national icon, but it wasn't in the Hoover Dam, it's in the Statue of Liberty.
PS The FBI are really good sharpshooters this time around. I was on a bike, hit a jump, flew off, and was shot dead in midair. :(
musclestang89
05-04-2008, 03:35 AM
damn driving while your drink, holy crap. I out ran the cops once but not the second time lol
The Big Matt
05-04-2008, 01:38 PM
42 percent, and a total of 27:23 game hours
Magnus
05-04-2008, 01:44 PM
[QUOTE=SVT Lurch]It's the Allspark. The Transformer movie was right about it being hidden in a national icon, but it wasn't in the Hoover Dam, it's in the Statue of Liberty.
PS The FBI are really good sharpshooters this time around. I was on a bike, hit a jump, flew off, and was shot dead in midair. :([/QUOTE]
Haven't pissed off enough people to get the fbi out yet.
I've spent the past two nites just dicking around with friends in multiplayer.
We went to the airport, and set up a helicopter just at the edge betwen to the plane loading ramps that are facing each other. If you ramp a car up into the rotors, it shoots the car off like crazy. If you do it with a motor cycle, it shoots your body easily 5+ football fields away, and is usually an instant, cool, very funny death.
musclestang89
05-04-2008, 03:11 PM
[QUOTE=Godmagnus]Haven't pissed off enough people to get the fbi out yet.
I've spent the past two nites just dicking around with friends in multiplayer.
We went to the airport, and set up a helicopter just at the edge betwen to the plane loading ramps that are facing each other. If you ramp a car up into the rotors, it shoots the car off like crazy. If you do it with a motor cycle, it shoots your body easily 5+ football fields away, and is usually an instant, cool, very funny death.[/QUOTE]
hell yea I've got to try that tonight. I love finding funny ways to die. :D
Do I have you on my friends list? i'm brandon89gt on XBL
Beto_GTZ
05-05-2008, 09:45 AM
I put in a few hours yesterday too...how about the static coming through the radio before your phone rings :eek: that's some nice detail. I don't have online yet since I have to get a wireless adaptor first. The AK is still fucken sweet!
WhiteOut
05-05-2008, 10:04 AM
Online is great, there is nothing more fun than loading up an SUV of your buddies and doing a drive by on the other team, pure greatness.
bcoop
05-05-2008, 10:36 AM
[QUOTE=musclestang89]damn driving while your drink, holy crap. I out ran the cops once but not the second time lol[/QUOTE]
I've been spending a lot of time at the bar, just because it's fun as shit to drive drunk. Pretty fucking realistic, too. :eek:
Magnus
05-05-2008, 10:47 AM
[QUOTE=bcoop]I've been spending a lot of time at the bar, just because it's fun as shit to drive drunk. Pretty fucking realistic, too. :eek:[/QUOTE]
It was only a matter of time. Barely even a week. I wonder which "mom" played the game and found out about it:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080501/ap_on_en_ot/games_gta_iv_madd
"Drunk driving is not a game, and it is not a joke," MADD said in a statement released Tuesday. "Drunk driving is a choice, a violent crime and it is also 100 percent preventable."
I didn't know that trying to make it to Whataburger was so violent. . . . .
bcoop
05-05-2008, 10:51 AM
[QUOTE=Godmagnus]It was only a matter of time. Barely even a week. I wonder which "mom" played the game and found out about it:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080501/ap_on_en_ot/games_gta_iv_madd
"Drunk driving is not a game, and it is not a joke," MADD said in a statement released Tuesday. "Drunk driving is a choice, a violent crime and it is also 100 percent preventable."
I didn't know that trying to make it to Whataburger was so violent. . . . .[/QUOTE]
I can't believe this game is rated 'Mature' to begin with. I guess that's the highest rating they've got?
I've got to send the kiddo in the other room when I'm playing :D , so I usually just play after he goes to bed.
The Big Matt
05-05-2008, 10:52 AM
[QUOTE=Godmagnus]It was only a matter of time. Barely even a week. I wonder which "mom" played the game and found out about it:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080501/ap_on_en_ot/games_gta_iv_madd
"Drunk driving is not a game, and it is not a joke," MADD said in a statement released Tuesday. "Drunk driving is a choice, a violent crime and it is also 100 percent preventable."
I didn't know that trying to make it to Whataburger was so violent. . . . .[/QUOTE]
So, shooting people in the head at point blank range isn't a violent crime?
At least the game gives you the option to take a cab, much like life! It's just more fun to drive drunk!
This game is full of violent crimes! It's what makes it great
The Dialoge in this game is amazing. Listening to what the bitches you take on dates to the bar have to say when they are drunk is awesome.
Magnus
05-05-2008, 11:18 AM
[QUOTE=bcoop]I can't believe this game is rated 'Mature' to begin with. I guess that's the highest rating they've got?
I've got to send the kiddo in the other room when I'm playing. :D[/QUOTE]
MADD and other organizations always attack the game developers, instead of the parents who don't pay attention to the game rating and let their 7 year old car jacking son/grandson play the game.
[QUOTE=The Big Matt]So, shooting people in the head at point blank range isn't a violent crime?
At least the game gives you the option to take a cab, much like life! It's just more fun to drive drunk!
This game is full of violent crimes! It's what makes it great
The Dialoge in this game is amazing. Listening to what the bitches you take on dates to the bar have to say when they are drunk is awesome.[/QUOTE]
I believe they're referring to the driving drunk as a violent crime part. Like everyone who gets behind the wheel drunk has the sole intention of killing as many people between point a and b.
The game is FULL of violent crime, but they're focusing on the drunk driving part in that statement.
Effigy
05-05-2008, 11:46 AM
That MADD stuff is ridiculous. Yes drunk driving is horrible. But on the plus side your friends in the game say "we should take a cab" yadda...
AND MAN O MAN do the cops swarm when you drunk drive. And the screen was moving so crazy I was almost feeling ill from it.....
But I did manage to evade police and make it home....lol....
But this game is mature to begin with. they should start looking into fixing the idiots that are influenced by the games and the parents that can't teach their kids right from wrong. Instead of wasting all their time attacking games/music/movies.
IMO its almost better to have games like this, and the more real the better. Do the stupid shit IN GAME so no one real is hurt........
Effigy
05-05-2008, 11:47 AM
[QUOTE=The Big Matt]So, shooting people in the head at point blank range isn't a violent crime?
At least the game gives you the option to take a cab, much like life! It's just more fun to drive drunk!
This game is full of violent crimes! It's what makes it great
The Dialoge in this game is amazing. Listening to what the bitches you take on dates to the bar have to say when they are drunk is awesome.[/QUOTE]
They are super easy too...what the heck. My stats has like 19 dates and 19 successful entries into their houses or however its worded. lol....
agiraldo
05-05-2008, 03:29 PM
WTF? What do I do in the Internet Cafe? I logged on but then what am I supposed to do... The game just keeps telling me to go to the inter net Cafe, but what am I supposed to do?
Any help??
Magnus
05-05-2008, 03:38 PM
[QUOTE=agiraldo]WTF? What do I do in the Internet Cafe? I logged on but then what am I supposed to do... The game just keeps telling me to go to the inter net Cafe, but what am I supposed to do?
Any help??[/QUOTE]
setup an email account. Top right help popups should do it.
Effigy
05-05-2008, 03:46 PM
[QUOTE=agiraldo]WTF? What do I do in the Internet Cafe? I logged on but then what am I supposed to do... The game just keeps telling me to go to the inter net Cafe, but what am I supposed to do?
Any help??[/QUOTE]
you dont see the logon button? Then check your email.
Also depending on the mission you may need to look at the love webpage. popups should help
STANGGT40
05-05-2008, 06:19 PM
i picked it up saturday night and played it a little bit yesterday...i'm at the part where you first get the gun, and you have to stand at the look-out and shoot someone. i was still learning the controls, so i didn't get the gun up in time and screwed that one up...i'll give it another try when i get some time to play again. it seems like a pretty cool game, though.
musclestang89
05-05-2008, 11:08 PM
how in the hell do you get in a cab?
every time I call for one so reason I end up stealing it. I think I'm hitting the right button
exlude
05-05-2008, 11:16 PM
[QUOTE=musclestang89]how in the hell do you get in a cab?
every time I call for one so reason I end up stealing it. I think I'm hitting the right button[/QUOTE]
You call for the cab by hitting the L1 button when one is in sight. Let it stop, then walk up to it and HOLD Y...and you'll get in. Be sure to hold it, not tap it. That's the mistake I kept making.
(This is for xbox incase you havn't guessed, but I'm sure the technique applies to PS3.)
musclestang89
05-05-2008, 11:34 PM
[QUOTE=exlude]You call for the cab by hitting the L1 button when one is in sight. Let it stop, then walk up to it and HOLD Y...and you'll get in. Be sure to hold it, not tap it. That's the mistake I kept making.
(This is for xbox incase you havn't guessed, but I'm sure the technique applies to PS3.)[/QUOTE]
thanks man, yea i have the 360
SVT Lurch
05-06-2008, 12:49 AM
[QUOTE=exlude]You call for the cab by hitting the L1 button when one is in sight. Let it stop, then walk up to it and HOLD Y...and you'll get in. Be sure to hold it, not tap it. That's the mistake I kept making.
(This is for xbox incase you havn't guessed, but I'm sure the technique applies to PS3.)[/QUOTE]
Where's the L1 button on XBOX?
[QUOTE=SVT Lurch]Where's the L1 button on XBOX?[/QUOTE]
Left bumper.
SVT Lurch
05-06-2008, 01:04 AM
[QUOTE=JKD]Left bumper.[/QUOTE]
Has it always been called L1? I've always seen LB. :o
PS
Good cheats (http://www.gamewinners.com/Cheats/index.php/More:Grand_Theft_Auto_4:_Cheat_Codes)
Maps to everything (http://grandtheftautoivmaps.com/) It said ***possible spoiler***, but I'm not sure what exactly is being spoiled?
EDIT: They're pretty small though... :mad:
The Big Matt
05-06-2008, 12:14 PM
a little over 60 percent before I went out last night. And I'm on the final mission of the game.
bcoop
05-06-2008, 03:29 PM
[QUOTE=The Big Matt]a little over 60 percent before I went out last night. And I'm on the final mission of the game.[/QUOTE]
Using cheats?
silverhatch
05-06-2008, 03:36 PM
I can't get my copy to work! It was fine the first time I used it now it just sits there locked up in a loading screen. Any one else with this problem? My copy is on ps3 mabe I should have got it for the 360.
bcoop
05-06-2008, 03:41 PM
[QUOTE=silverhatch]I can't get my copy to work! It was fine the first time I used it now it just sits there locked up in a loading screen. Any one else with this problem? My copy is on ps3 mabe I should have got it for the 360.[/QUOTE]
No problems whatsoever with mine, and I'm on a PS3 as well. :confused: Take it back and exchange it.
Magnus
05-06-2008, 04:26 PM
[QUOTE=silverhatch]I can't get my copy to work! It was fine the first time I used it now it just sits there locked up in a loading screen. Any one else with this problem? My copy is on ps3 mabe I should have got it for the 360.[/QUOTE]
I think you're on to something!!!!
j/k
That shouldn't have anything to do with it.
The Big Matt
05-06-2008, 04:46 PM
[QUOTE=bcoop]Using cheats?[/QUOTE]
I haven't used one cheat code... as you progress in the game, and date different chicks, you meet online, you'll find one you can call to increase your health, one you can call to lower your wanted level. One's a nurse, one's a lawyer...
I've used them, but no cheats
bcoop
05-06-2008, 04:48 PM
[QUOTE=The Big Matt] as you progress in the game, and date different chicks, you meet online, you'll find one you can call to increase your health, one you can call to lower your wanted level. One's a nurse, one's a lawyer...
I've used them, but no cheats[/QUOTE]
Kinda like going to get laid to relpenish your health. ;)
I wasn't accusing, just wondering. :)
The Big Matt
05-06-2008, 04:51 PM
[QUOTE=bcoop]Kinda like going to get laid to relpenish your health. ;)
I wasn't accusing, just wondering. :)[/QUOTE]
kind of, but you just call them from your cell phone in the middle of a mission, and they'll do it. If you are on good terms with them that is
Thurston
05-06-2008, 04:52 PM
Im right around 10 percent I think. This layout is freakin huge! I just moved into my new house, due to Roman's burning down.
Thurston
05-06-2008, 04:53 PM
Matt, you seem like a hardcore gamer. :D How many hours do you have in?
bcoop
05-06-2008, 04:54 PM
[QUOTE=The Big Matt]kind of, but you just call them from your cell phone in the middle of a mission, and they'll do it. If you are on good terms with them that is[/QUOTE]
Is there a trick to dating the online whores? Thankfully unlike real life, I keep getting denied. :(
Help a ninja get laid! That Michelle girls poon is worn out these days. :o
The Big Matt
05-07-2008, 12:49 AM
[QUOTE=bcoop]Is there a trick to dating the online whores? Thankfully unlike real life, I keep getting denied. :(
Help a ninja get laid! That Michelle girls poon is worn out these days. :o[/QUOTE]
not until you get the fat pad in algonquin... then the bitches start rollin in
I finished the main story line tonight, and now i'm doing all the bs in the game to get 100 percent. I play a few hours a day. So far I've got 42 hours of playing time. longest non-stop game was almost 11 hours, but i don't think that was in a row, i jst leave the machine on all day
I'm working on killing all of the pigeons in the game, there are 200, and spread way the fuck out...
Thurston
05-07-2008, 10:32 PM
[QUOTE=The Big Matt]not until you get the fat pad in algonquin... then the bitches start rollin in
I finished the main story line tonight, and now i'm doing all the bs in the game to get 100 percent. I play a few hours a day. So far I've got 42 hours of playing time. longest non-stop game was almost 11 hours, but i don't think that was in a row, i jst leave the machine on all day
I'm working on killing all of the pigeons in the game, there are 200, and spread way the fuck out...[/QUOTE]
If you kill all the pigeons without any cheat codes, you sir are a hardass. Thats almost impossible.
Maverick
05-08-2008, 07:42 AM
I played it finally last night, following the story line - awesome! Then, decided to goof off a bit and cause general chaos :p ...
Anyone find/use any of the following?:
Jet pack
Harrier Jet
Road grader (tractor) - LOL
Magnus
05-08-2008, 09:17 AM
[QUOTE=Maverick]I played it finally last night, following the story line - awesome! Then, decided to goof off a bit and cause general chaos :p ...
Anyone find/use any of the following?:
Jet pack
Harrier Jet
Road grader (tractor) - LOL[/QUOTE]
Did you?
If so, where are they?
Maverick
05-08-2008, 09:22 AM
[QUOTE=Godmagnus]Did you?
If so, where are they?[/QUOTE]
I went to the airport...friend of mine called me and said to try a few cheat codes he had, and that's what popped up (actually, you can use them anywhere I found out)
Like Big Matt, I'd rather try to finish the game without cheating (kudos to you sir!), but it was pretty fun tooling around the city in a jet pack:D
Sariat
05-08-2008, 10:42 AM
yeah so that nigga Playboy X is a bitch. I killed Dwyane like he wanted me to. Then he calls all saying we got beef. Fuck that nigga.... I keep it real bitch!!!! I shoulda killed both of them.
The Big Matt
05-08-2008, 11:29 AM
[QUOTE=Sariat]yeah so that nigga Playboy X is a bitch. I killed Dwyane like he wanted me to. Then he calls all saying we got beef. Fuck that nigga.... I keep it real bitch!!!! I shoulda killed both of them.[/QUOTE]
I told you to kill playboy... you get his pad
Basically when given the choices, which there are only 3
Kill Playboy, not Dwayne - you get the pad, but he has more bodyguards when you go to kill him
Kill Francis McCreary - Actually this one doesn't really matter, as one's a cop and one's a crackhead
Get Revenge
The decisions you make really don't affect the outcome of the game at all, which i think it a little bogus. I'd like a more choose your own adventure style, with multiple outcomes, endings, etc...
The Big Matt
05-08-2008, 11:34 AM
[QUOTE=Maverick]I played it finally last night, following the story line - awesome! Then, decided to goof off a bit and cause general chaos :p ...
Anyone find/use any of the following?:
Jet pack
Harrier Jet
Road grader (tractor) - LOL[/QUOTE]
You're playing San Andreas... There is no jet pack, harrier jet, or Road grader in GTA IV.
Maverick
05-08-2008, 11:56 AM
[QUOTE=The Big Matt]You're playing San Andreas... There is no jet pack, harrier jet, or Road grader in GTA IV.[/QUOTE]
YES THERE IS!!!!!!! (In GTA IV) (cheat codes, remember)
There are several hidden options if you use cheats....if you play the game normally, you won't find them (so I've found out)
71chevellejohn
05-08-2008, 12:14 PM
[QUOTE=Maverick]YES THERE IS!!!!!!! (In GTA IV) (cheat codes, remember)
There are several hidden options if you use cheats....if you play the game normally, you won't find them (so I've found out)[/QUOTE]
I'm with big matt in saying your playing San Andreas. Just for S's and G's if you are playing GTA IV, what is the cheat code for the jet pack?
Maverick
05-08-2008, 12:22 PM
[QUOTE=71chevellejohn]I'm with big matt in saying your playing San Andreas. Just for S's and G's if you are playing GTA IV, what is the cheat code for the jet pack?[/QUOTE]
Buncha no believin' haters...I swear
http://www.cheatcc.com/xbox360/grandtheftauto4cheatscodes.html
Maverick
05-08-2008, 12:39 PM
[QUOTE=Godmagnus]Here's a pretty cool egg in the game:
Get inside the statue or liberty-thingie, (pain in the ass, have to use a helicopter to get in the door facing the south at the base of the feet), climb the latter, and here's what you'll see:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/1003/godmagnus/heart.jpg[/QUOTE]
The "cheat" to get to here (but, 71chevelle and Big Matt say it isn't possible and that I'm playing San Andreas:rolleyes: )
View Statue Of Happiness' heart
Once you gain access to Happiness Island, find the Helicopter Tours, which is directly east of Happiness Island, and steal a helicopter. Fly to Happiness Island and over the Statue Of Happiness, then jump out of the helicopter at the statue's feet. You should land on the top-most tier of the statue, which is basically a square platform with a door in the center of each side. Run around the platform until you see a door with a plaque on either side of it that reads, "No Hidden Content Here". It may seem like you cannot go through the door, but you can -- it doesn't open, you simply walk through the door. You will find an empty room with a tall ladder inside. Climb it, and when you reach the top, look up to see a huge beating heart, held in place by chains.
71chevellejohn
05-08-2008, 12:48 PM
[QUOTE=Maverick]The "cheat" to get to here (but, 71chevelle and Big Matt say it isn't possible and that I'm playing San Andreas:rolleyes: )
View Statue Of Happiness' heart
Once you gain access to Happiness Island, find the Helicopter Tours, which is directly east of Happiness Island, and steal a helicopter. Fly to Happiness Island and over the Statue Of Happiness, then jump out of the helicopter at the statue's feet. You should land on the top-most tier of the statue, which is basically a square platform with a door in the center of each side. Run around the platform until you see a door with a plaque on either side of it that reads, "No Hidden Content Here". It may seem like you cannot go through the door, but you can -- it doesn't open, you simply walk through the door. You will find an empty room with a tall ladder inside. Climb it, and when you reach the top, look up to see a huge beating heart, held in place by chains.[/QUOTE]
That's not really a cheat
I read through the list on your link and didn't see any mention of a jetpack, Harrirer jet or road grader. Those are what we were saying isn't in GTA IV, they are in San Andreas.
I am more than willing to believe it with proof, so far you haven't provided any.
Sean88gt
05-08-2008, 12:52 PM
Matt,
I need your time!:eek:
The Big Matt
05-08-2008, 01:14 PM
[QUOTE=Maverick]YES THERE IS!!!!!!! (In GTA IV) (cheat codes, remember)
There are several hidden options if you use cheats....if you play the game normally, you won't find them (so I've found out)[/QUOTE]
They do not exist... hands down, I've looked up every cheat, there is and there are no jet packs, no winged aircraft, no parachutes.
Yes there is an easter egg for the optispark thing in the the statue of happiness
STANGGT40
05-11-2008, 06:50 PM
[QUOTE=The Big Matt]They do not exist... hands down, I've looked up every cheat, there is and there are no jet packs, no winged aircraft, no parachutes.
Yes there is an easter egg for the optispark thing in the the statue of happiness[/QUOTE]
the only aircraft that i know of is the helicopter...and that thing is difficult as hell to fly! i tried one of the codes, and a boat dropped out of the sky on that "F" guy's house...i can't remember his name now. i just wanted to see what all of the cheat codes did, so i tried them all; now they're all saved in my phone under "cheats".
FATHERFORD
05-12-2008, 02:17 PM
This is a LONG game... I have been playing what seems like 30 hours or so and only 40% done with it. It's just now starting to get real fun with more complex missions.
So far my most favorite mission is the bank robbery.
The Big Matt
05-12-2008, 02:21 PM
the story line game ends at about 60 percent
PPStangman
05-12-2008, 02:36 PM
man im stuck on this damn hard mission...where you have to kill 3 managers of the strip club..keep getting either tagged by multiple gunfire or beat up by the bouncers, sux
The Big Matt
05-12-2008, 02:38 PM
[QUOTE=PPStangman]man im stuck on this damn hard mission...where you have to kill 3 managers of the strip club..keep getting either tagged by multiple gunfire or beat up by the bouncers, sux[/QUOTE]
Dude, that's an easy one. Start at the back of the stripclub, in the private dance area... Kill the guy back there, and his buddy, go out the back door. The other two will come out the front door, try to kill them before they reach their cars.
Magnus
05-12-2008, 02:40 PM
[QUOTE=FATHERFORD]This is a LONG game... I have been playing what seems like 30 hours or so and only 40% done with it. It's just now starting to get real fun with more complex missions.
So far my most favorite mission is the bank robbery.[/QUOTE]
I fucking died on that one last night.
Starting it over when i get home.
The Big Matt
05-12-2008, 02:44 PM
BTW, May I recommend getting all of your "friends" respect and like up above 75%... not sure on exactly the ammount for each person, but, here's what you get..
You can call your friends for help:
Packie - Will wire a bomb in a car for you
Brucie - Will let you borrow his helicopter
Lil Jacob - Will come meet you and sell you guns
Dwayne - Will send a car of thugs to help you
Roman - Will send a cab for you for free
Dates:
Carmen - will help heal you over the phone
Kiki - will reduce your wanted level
Alex - will arrange discounts at the clothing store
Hollywood
05-12-2008, 02:58 PM
No fixed wing aircraft? That sucks. I still play San Andreas just to fly the harrier around and shoot down the other harrier's. Of course, I just figured out how to make it fly fast. For the past 3 years I only knew how to hover around. :o
Magnus
05-12-2008, 03:06 PM
[QUOTE=The Big Matt]BTW, May I recommend getting all of your "friends" respect and like up above 75%... not sure on exactly the ammount for each person, but, here's what you get..
You can call your friends for help:
Packie - Will wire a bomb in a car for you
Brucie - Will let you borrow his helicopter
Lil Jacob - Will come meet you and sell you guns
Dwayne - Will send a car of thugs to help you
Roman - Will send a cab for you for free
Dates:
Carmen - will help heal you over the phone
Kiki - will reduce your wanted level
Alex - will arrange discounts at the clothing store[/QUOTE]
Would kiki's ability work in a mission where the wanted level is part of the mission, or only on the wanted level accidently gained during a mission?
[QUOTE=Hollywood]No fixed wing aircraft? That sucks. I still play San Andreas just to fly the harrier around and shoot down the other harrier's. Of course, I just figured out how to make it fly fast. For the past 3 years I only knew how to hover around. :o[/QUOTE]
There are several aspects of San Andreas i wish would have been carried over:
Bicycles (come on, those were fun)
Character body building
Shop to customer cars.
harrier jet.
hell, i almost don't want to sell my PS2 so i can still play san andreas.
The Big Matt
05-12-2008, 03:28 PM
[QUOTE=Godmagnus]Would kiki's ability work in a mission where the wanted level is part of the mission, or only on the wanted level accidently gained during a mission?
There are several aspects of San Andreas i wish would have been carried over:
Bicycles (come on, those were fun)
Character body building
Shop to customer cars.
harrier jet.
hell, i almost don't want to sell my PS2 so i can still play san andreas.[/QUOTE]
I honestly don't know. I didn't get the power from kiki til after i finished the game, but i know the health one for carmen worked in one mission i did.
The reason I heard for not having jets in this game, was that it was to be centered around the small islands and nothing more, so there was no reason for you to fly anywhere. As for the body building, it would have been a nice add on with Brucie, to go work out. haha. I do miss the car customizing tho.
Evidently the same reason there is no gambling, is because this is NY and that was LA and Vegas in San Adreas.
I really wish more developers would take advantage of the online functionality now, and allow downloadable mission addons, cars, cities, etc... GTA would be a killer RPG style game
Magnus
05-12-2008, 03:32 PM
[QUOTE=The Big Matt]
I really wish more developers would take advantage of the online functionality now, and allow downloadable mission addons, cars, cities, etc... GTA would be a killer RPG style game[/QUOTE]
Some buds and i have been talking about that.
I would be surprised if they didn't take advantage of that.
TJ2001Cobra
05-12-2008, 04:41 PM
I got a gun a few missions before when I helped Jacob for Roman.
[QUOTE=The Big Matt]If you are following the story line, then you don't have a gun yet[/QUOTE]
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