Wrights latest comments...

[Nate]

EL OH EL... Seriously?

"At the press club, he jokingly offered himself as Obama's running mate and embraced Nation of Islam leader Louis Farrakhan even though he said he doesn't always agree with him. He criticized the U.S. government as imperialist and stood by his suggestion that the U.S. invented the HIV virus as a means of genocide against minorities. "Based on this Tuskegee experiment and based on what has happened to Africans in this country, I believe our government is capable of doing anything," he said. "

[Slowhand]

lmao, this guy gets better and better!

i read an article this morning that quoted Wright as saying that the backlash against him and his teachings is the racist white majority of this country trying to tear down the Black church :rolleyes:

[Somewhere in Time]

It think we should just take him around back and shoot him.

[forever_frost]

Nah, that would make him a martyr. What you do is run his name into the ground and make him hated by his own members. You do that, you take the teeth out of the wolf.

[Fox466]

We're getting a new all black church here in Wylie that is moving out of Oak Cliff.

True story.

[forever_frost]

What has always struck me is this: If I did an all white church people would scream bloody murder. How is an all black church different?

[5.0_CJ]

What has always struck me is this: If I did an all white church people would scream bloody murder. How is an all black church different?

racists can only be white. Black people do not possess the ability to see racism in their own race.

[Zarathustra]

Pretty sure you're of no authority to speak on the topic.

Oh wait, that's right, you're a mensa...

nevermind--

[HookEm]

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Engrish prease.


Pretty sure you're of no authority to speak on the topic.

Oh wait, that's right, you're a mensa...

nevermind--

[Slowhand]

Pretty sure you're of no authority to speak on the topic.

Oh wait, that's right, you're a mensa...

nevermind--

lmao, what the hell are you talking about?

[HookEm]

Poor Zara.....




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lmao, what the hell are you talking about?

[5.0_CJ]

lmao, what the hell are you talking about?

he is mentally impotent and has a serious inferiority complex towards me because I have some credentials when I tell him he is an idiot. It affected him so much he's never let it go, and it's hilarious... every time he brings it up I feel so proud to have nailed him right in his ego so damn well. He refuses to debate me anymore, and trolls my posts trying to find typos to make some pitiful attempt to justify his own conscience to his lack of intelligence. Just don't mind him, I've tested him over and over and his arguments are very unorganized, weak, and childish, he just isn't worth the time - he feeds on the crust of this forums ass.

[JP135]

What has always struck me is this: If I did an all white church people would scream bloody murder. How is an all black church different?

It's just different. You couldn't possibly understand (mainly because you're 100% correct and the people who support this nonsense cannot make a rational defense of their position).

[Zarathustra]

he is mentally impotent and has a serious inferiority complex towards me because I have some credentials when I tell him he is an idiot. It affected him so much he's never let it go, and it's hilarious... every time he brings it up I feel so proud to have nailed him right in his ego so damn well. He refuses to debate me anymore, and trolls my posts trying to find typos to make some pitiful attempt to justify his own conscience to his lack of intelligence. Just don't mind him, I've tested him over and over and his arguments are very unorganized, weak, and childish, he just isn't worth the time - he feeds on the crust of this forums
ass.

Please, sir. Don't flatter yourself.

Do I need, yet again, to display for everyone to see how much a fucking idiot you are?

You've never been worth my time. It's just funny to see you run away after I win.

You've never shown me up in ANY argument.

You have NO credentials.

Every confrontation between me and you ends with your cowering and fleeing the scene.

Big surprise.

You're the one that gets e-mailed every time I post.

[HookEm]

“Ridicule is the tribute that mediocrity pays to genius.”

Please, sir. Don't flatter yourself.

Do I need, yet again, to display for everyone to see how much a fucking idiot you are?

You've never been worth my time. It's just funny to see you run away after I win.

You've never shown me up in ANY argument.

You have NO credentials.

Every confrontation between me and you ends with your cowering and fleeing the scene.

Big surprise.

You're the one that gets e-mailed every time I post.

[slow06]

Pretty sure you're of no authority to speak on the topic.

Oh wait, that's right, you're a mensa...

nevermind--


Shit, not this again.

Zara, do you have to turn everything into a personal battle? Why can't you just comment on how you disagree or you don't think Wright said that. You think you are so smart, yet you bring this shit upon yourself time and time again.

If you have something to say on the topic please share, but the topic is Wright, not who is or is not in Mensa...

[bcoop]

Please, sir. Don't flatter yourself.

Do I need, yet again, to display for everyone to see how much a fucking idiot you are?

You've never been worth my time. It's just funny to see you run away after I win.

You've never shown me up in ANY argument.

You have NO credentials.

Every confrontation between me and you ends with your cowering and fleeing the scene.

Big surprise.

You're the one that gets e-mailed every time I post.


That's funny, because you've never swayed anyone's opinion on here.

You've never won an argument.

You have NO credentials.

You've never shown anyone how much of an idiot they may or may not be, etc.

[Stevo]

No use in placing someone on ignore when everyone quotes the bilge you are trying to avoid.

/sigh


Stevo

[bcoop]

No use in placing someone on ignore when everyone quotes the bilge you are trying to avoid.

/sigh


Stevo


My bad. :o


I think I'm going to try this ignore thing. Big Dudly and Zara top the list of those I wish would get suicide bombed, so I'll start with those two. :)

[jones4stangs]

EL OH EL... Seriously?

"At the press club, he jokingly offered himself as Obama's running mate and embraced Nation of Islam leader Louis Farrakhan even though he said he doesn't always agree with him. He criticized the U.S. government as imperialist and stood by his suggestion that the U.S. invented the HIV virus as a means of genocide against minorities. "Based on this Tuskegee experiment and based on what has happened to Africans in this country, I believe our government is capable of doing anything," he said. "
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080429/ap_on_el_pr/obama_pastor

On Tuesday, Obama sought to distance himself further from Wright.

"I gave him the benefit of the doubt in my speech in Philadelphia explaining that he's done enormous good. ... But when he states and then amplifies such ridiculous propositions as the U.S. government somehow being involved in AIDS. ... There are no excuses. They offended me. They rightly offend all Americans and they should be denounced."

[5.0_CJ]

Please, sir. Don't flatter yourself.

Do I need, yet again, to display for everyone to see how much a fucking idiot you are?

You've never been worth my time. It's just funny to see you run away after I win.

You've never shown me up in ANY argument.

You have NO credentials.

Every confrontation between me and you ends with your cowering and fleeing the scene.

Big surprise.

You're the one that gets e-mailed every time I post.

"don't flatter yourself" It's so funny that the moment I make a statement towards you, it ends up in all your future posts.

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I'm sorry but I just can't be respectful to you anymore. This kid is such a loser. Finish your weed so you can help mom and dad at those stores you "own" - which was ridiculously terrible lie, I don't think a single person in this forum believed that bullshit. But, it's just another example... much like your post... where you once again overreacted into a temper tantrum showing off of your inferiority complex once again. I haven't even checked the thread where you were called out, but I can just surmise that it consisted of you frantically changing the topic and ultimately bitching out like the pussy you are. It must really burn deep inside you to know you're a coward.

[white87306]

Quote:
Originally Posted by 5.0_CJ
he is mentally impotent and has a serious inferiority complex towards me because I have some credentials when I tell him he is an idiot. It affected him so much he's never let it go, and it's hilarious... every time he brings it up I feel so proud to have nailed him right in his ego so damn well. He refuses to debate me anymore, and trolls my posts trying to find typos to make some pitiful attempt to justify his own conscience to his lack of intelligence. Just don't mind him, I've tested him over and over and his arguments are very unorganized, weak, and childish, he just isn't worth the time - he feeds on the crust of this forums
ass.



Please, sir. Don't flatter yourself.

Do I need, yet again, to display for everyone to see how much a fucking idiot you are?

You've never been worth my time. It's just funny to see you run away after I win.

You've never shown me up in ANY argument.

You have NO credentials.

Every confrontation between me and you ends with your cowering and fleeing the scene.

Big surprise.

You're the one that gets e-mailed every time I post.
---
“Ridicule is the tribute that mediocrity pays to genius.”



Irony at it's finest.
Ignorant Fuckstick

[forever_frost]

See, I have asked quite a few people why there is an NAACP but if I make an organization to promote whites, I'm racist. There is a national black college that I had to do a report on for my Minorities class a couple semesters ago, yet we can't have an all white school. With 'minorities' they are able to take advantage of benefits and scholarships that as a disabled vet I just have to look at. Outside of the GI Bill, if I want to go to school, it comes out of my pocket, but they get full rides.

I want to know why when a white, Christian man does something it's racist or biggoted and when a minority or female does the same it's kosher. No one has been able to answer that rationally. It usually turns into an emotional plea. I don't want emotion, I want logic.

[Nate]

It usually turns into an emotional plea. I don't want emotion, I want logic.
You will never receive a logical answer.

[forever_frost]

That's what I'm learning. Affirmative action is racism, holding someone of a different skin color to a different measure than me is racism.

[Slowhand]

You will never receive a logical answer.

...there is no spoon.

[Nate]

...there is no spoon.
The spoon is feeding this reverse racism and double standard bull shit I see everyday.

[Paladin]

....Finish your weed....

...waits for gpamp to chime in for his liberal buddy and call 5.0_CJ a child molester. :(

[Paladin]

See, I have asked quite a few people why there is an NAACP but if I make an organization to promote whites, I'm racist. There is a national black college that I had to do a report on for my Minorities class a couple semesters ago, yet we can't have an all white school. With 'minorities' they are able to take advantage of benefits and scholarships that as a disabled vet I just have to look at. Outside of the GI Bill, if I want to go to school, it comes out of my pocket, but they get full rides.

I want to know why when a white, Christian man does something it's racist or biggoted and when a minority or female does the same it's kosher. No one has been able to answer that rationally. It usually turns into an emotional plea. I don't want emotion, I want logic.

I have a feeling the answer is not very simple. It is true that no white candidate could have gone to a church led by a racist America-hating minister and still get serious consideration, not even as a Dem.

The issue is that a lot of white people seem so worried about the racist tag that they overcompensate and will vote for them to have some ammunition to "show" peoiple how enlightened they are. They will ignore the obvious violations and concerns about Obama and other blacks because they are scared of the racist tag, which usually gets thrown around by racist people of color.

I especially believe this is true of the white liberals who are supporting Obama. I know no white conservative who would support any Republican if he had been going to a racist, hate-filled church for even 5 years, much less 20 like Obama.

[jones4stangs]

See, I have asked quite a few people why there is an NAACP but if I make an organization to promote whites, I'm racist. There is a national black college that I had to do a report on for my Minorities class a couple semesters ago, yet we can't have an all white school. With 'minorities' they are able to take advantage of benefits and scholarships that as a disabled vet I just have to look at. Outside of the GI Bill, if I want to go to school, it comes out of my pocket, but they get full rides.

I want to know why when a white, Christian man does something it's racist or biggoted and when a minority or female does the same it's kosher. No one has been able to answer that rationally. It usually turns into an emotional plea. I don't want emotion, I want logic.
Maybe your problem is because you see organizations that seek equality in American society as unnecessary, counter productive and racist/sexist.

I don't find your views on minorities rational or consistent with the way things are in real life.

http://www.naacp.org/about/mission/index.htm

NAACP

Our Mission
The mission of the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People is to ensure the political, educational, social, and economic equality of rights of all persons and to eliminate racial hatred and racial discrimination.

Vision Statement
The vision of the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People is to ensure a society in which all individuals have equal rights and there is no racial hatred or racial discrimination.

Objectives
The following statement of objectives is found on the first page of the NAACP Constitution — the principal objectives of the Association shall be:

To ensure the political, educational, social, and economic equality of all citizens.
To achieve equality of rights and eliminate race prejudice among the citizens of the United States.
To remove all barriers of racial discrimination through democratic processes.
To seek enactment and enforcement of federal, state, and local laws securing civil rights.
To inform the public of the adverse effects of racial discrimination and to seek its elimination.
To educate persons as to their constitutional rights and to take all lawful action to secure the exercise thereof, and to take any other lawful action in furtherance of these objectives, consistent with the NAACP's Articles of Incorporation and this Constitution.

If you founded an organization along these line, I disagree that you would be considered racist. However, I think you might find the organization moot, or better yet, filled with minorities of one kind or another.

There is nothing wrong with HBCU's (historically black colleges and universities). If you took a real look at their campuses you would see they are not all black. Their enrollment certainly does not exclude white students. HBCU's have and do contribute positively to American life. I'm a Morehouse College grad myself. I didn't get a free ride, I had to pay.

Minorities are able to take advantage of certain benefits and scholarships because the USA is a great nation and honorably seeks to improve itself with every generation. These kind of programs are a function of that goal.

Racism that comes from minorities is not kosher. I'll agree that real racism committed by minorities is not as recognizable as whites (the majority). However, I'd contend that racism without the power to enforce it is not an often perceived threat. Racism committed by white people in America is easy to recognize because you can see the power it welds and have plenty of historical examples to compare it to.

[forever_frost]

So my racism is stronger than a minorities? No, it isn't. It's the same. If I can't make racial jokes or comments, they can't either. If I have to work my way through college, minorities should too. However, if the NAACP comes on tv and says

"White America, we need these benefits, scholarships and affirmative action to compete with you. We cannot compete on a level playing field so please allow us these cheats and handouts so that we may better ourself."

Do that and I'll shut up. Admit that a black man who is healthy, never served and is mentally completely there requires more help than an ex soldier who was shot in the head, suffers from mental disorders and several physical disabilities.

[jones4stangs]

So my racism is stronger than a minorities? No, it isn't. It's the same. If I can't make racial jokes or comments, they can't either. If I have to work my way through college, minorities should too. However, if the NAACP comes on tv and says

"White America, we need these benefits, scholarships and affirmative action to compete with you. We cannot compete on a level playing field so please allow us these cheats and handouts so that we may better ourself."

Do that and I'll shut up. Admit that a black man who is healthy, never served and is mentally completely there requires more help than an ex soldier who was shot in the head, suffers from mental disorders and several physical disabilities.
So, are you saying there a no racial and/or sexual inequalities in the USA? Therefore, all the organizations who say they strive for equality have no legitimate reason to exist.

or

Are you saying there are inequalities, but you don't support actively trying to change them? So, play with the hand your dealt and never mind how the cards are being dealt.

or

Are you saying there are inequalities, but people are and have been going about solving them in the wrong ways? What solutions would you propose?

or

Are you saying....... fuck everyone else's problems, I've got my own.

[mightyp]

No use in placing someone on ignore when everyone quotes the bilge you are trying to avoid.

/sigh


Stevo

x2

[Zarathustra]

you guys are funny...

[Yale]

So, are you a Zoroastrian, or what?

[Zarathustra]

no.

[Mustangman_2000]

The guy is a deluded nut case.

[Paladin]

So, are you saying there a no racial and/or sexual inequalities in the USA? Therefore, all the organizations who say they strive for equality have no legitimate reason to exist.

or

Are you saying there are inequalities, but you don't support actively trying to change them? So, play with the hand your dealt and never mind how the cards are being dealt.

or

Are you saying there are inequalities, but people are and have been going about solving them in the wrong ways? What solutions would you propose?

or

Are you saying....... fuck everyone else's problems, I've got my own.

I think he is saying that a NAAWP would not go over very well. I think most white people feel that we have come far enough with equality that people of color have graduated from premier colleges, can get to be a serious candidate for president and that giving those same people of color advantages not based upon merit is not right.

[slow06]

http://www.naacp.org/about/mission/index.htm

NAACP

Our Mission
The mission of the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People is to ensure the political, educational, social, and economic equality of rights of all persons and to eliminate racial hatred and racial discrimination.

Vision Statement
The vision of the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People is to ensure a society in which all individuals have equal rights and there is no racial hatred or racial discrimination.

Objectives
The following statement of objectives is found on the first page of the NAACP Constitution — the principal objectives of the Association shall be:

To ensure the political, educational, social, and economic equality of all citizens.
To achieve equality of rights and eliminate race prejudice among the citizens of the United States.
To remove all barriers of racial discrimination through democratic processes.
To seek enactment and enforcement of federal, state, and local laws securing civil rights.
To inform the public of the adverse effects of racial discrimination and to seek its elimination.
To educate persons as to their constitutional rights and to take all lawful action to secure the exercise thereof, and to take any other lawful action in furtherance of these objectives, consistent with the NAACP's Articles of Incorporation and this Constitution.


The problem with that is the individuals within the NAACP have taken this Goal and used it to further their own agendas. Notice that NAACP stands for National Association for the Advancement of Colored People, yet in their objectives they say all citizens. Which is it? Colored people or all citizens?

Are they fighting for everyone?

[Vertnut]

The problem with that is the individuals within the NAACP have taken this Goal and used it to further their own agendas. Notice that NAACP stands for National Association for the Advancement of Colored People, yet in their objectives they say all citizens. Which is it? Colored people or all citizens?

Are they fighting for everyone?
I'm sure that helps contributions. It's probably just a "political" move.

[jones4stangs]

I think he is saying that a NAAWP would not go over very well. I think most white people feel that we have come far enough with equality that people of color have graduated from premier colleges, can get to be a serious candidate for president and that giving those same people of color advantages not based upon merit is not right.
I think if you could come up with an area where white people are suffering disproportionately from their counterparts then you could have a basics for an NAAWP.

Try this, what defines a black organization? Now, what defines a white organization? Can you say there are not currently good white organizations? Forget the title, look at the function. Look at the target audience.

Ok, so you feel the USA has come far enough with equality. What is your basis for equality? Someone black attending a premier college? Richard Greener, became Harvard's first African American graduate in 1870. What year would you say enough racial equality was achieved in the USA? What year would you say woman's equality was achieved in the USA?

What's with this merit argument? People in this thread have insinuated unqualified people are getting good scholarships. I find that hard to believe. Last time I checked you had to have some pretty good scores to qualify for a good scholarship of any kind. Schools choose between which qualified candidates receive scholarship money. However, once you get a pool of qualified candidates there are several factors that influence who from that pool gets selected. In my opinion, the justification from affirmative action programs is that minority candidates are often a part of the pool of qualified candidates, but seldom selected from this pool.

[Nate]

Jones - do you believe that a person should get preferential treatment solely based on race/color?

Yes or no, no extenuating circumstances.

[slow06]

I think if you could come up with an area where white people are suffering disproportionately from their counterparts then you could have a basics for an NAAWP.


Oh, so the NAACP is only there to make "colored" suffering equal to white suffering? WTF? Why not help everybody suffering? That would be true racial equality, would it not?

Schools choose between which qualified candidates receive scholarship money. However, once you get a pool of qualified candidates there are several factors that influence who from that pool gets selected. In my opinion, the justification from affirmative action programs is that minority candidates are often a part of the pool of qualified candidates, but seldom selected from this pool.

Why the should a "colored" person be chosen above an equally qualified white person? That should never happen, just like it should not happen the other way around. Merit should be the only damn thing that matters.

If "colored" people want color to not matter, they need need to stop using it as a crutch and get out there and earn it. Become the MOST qualified person in the pool, and then take the money, take the job, because you earned it, not because of your race.

Fuck this is too simple, I don't understand what the hell is wrong with people.

[jones4stangs]

The problem with that is the individuals within the NAACP have taken this Goal and used it to further their own agendas. Notice that NAACP stands for National Association for the Advancement of Colored People, yet in their objectives they say all citizens. Which is it? Colored people or all citizens?

Are they fighting for everyone?
What individual are you referring to? Are you talking about an individual or the group as a whole?

What has the NAACP supported that you feel is not consistent with their stated goals?

Do you really have a problem with their name? Maybe you should do a quick read of when and why this organization was founded. I find it hard to believe anyone who knows the history of the NAACP can state the organization has not had a positive contribution to racial equality in the USA.

http://www.naacp.org/about/history/index.htm
For more than ninety nine years, the NAACP built and grew on the collective courage of thousands of people. People of all races, nationalities and faiths united on one premise—that all men and women are created equal.

The nation's oldest civil rights organization has changed America's history. Despite violence, intimidation and hostile government policies, the NAACP and its grass-roots membership persevered.

[jones4stangs]

Jones - do you believe that a person should get preferential treatment solely based on race/color?

Yes or no, no extenuating circumstances.
No

[slow06]

What individual are you referring to? Are you talking about an individual or the group as a whole?

What has the NAACP supported that you feel is not consistent with their stated goals?

Do you really have a problem with their name? Maybe you should do a quick read of when and why this organization was founded. I find it hard to believe anyone who knows the history of the NAACP can state the organization has not had a positive contribution to racial equality in the USA.

http://www.naacp.org/about/history/index.htm
For more than ninety nine years, the NAACP built and grew on the collective courage of thousands of people. People of all races, nationalities and faiths united on one premise—that all men and women are created equal.

The nation's oldest civil rights organization has changed America's history. Despite violence, intimidation and hostile government policies, the NAACP and its grass-roots membership persevered.


Why put “Colored” in the name then? If they are fighting for equality how does pointing out color help? Why make your name “…Advancement of Colored People” if that is not your goal? Is it possible that their agenda is not quite what they lead you to believe?

Listen, I’m not colorblind, but I do my best to judge people on how they act, not on my pre-conceived notions about a certain race. Why can’t we teach people to judge based on actions and to hire based on merit? Wouldn’t that create equality?

We need to change the underlying way people think, not fight each and every action. We can treat the symptoms for generations and not change a damn thing, or we can teach our kids to think differently. Teach them that a black person is no different from a white person because of their color. They are only different when they have shown you by their own actions.

[jones4stangs]

Oh, so the NAACP is only there to make "colored" suffering equal to white suffering? WTF? Why not help everybody suffering? That would be true racial equality, would it not?



Why the should a "colored" person be chosen above an equally qualified white person? That should never happen, just like it should not happen the other way around. Merit should be the only damn thing that matters.

If "colored" people want color to not matter, they need need to stop using it as a crutch and get out there and earn it. Become the MOST qualified person in the pool, and then take the money, take the job, because you earned it, not because of your race.

Fuck this is too simple, I don't understand what the hell is wrong with people.
I cool with helping anyone worth helping regardless of race. Why not help everyone? In my opinion, affirmative action program are an extension of the desire to help everyone.

What is wrong is that merit is not the sole basic of most decision making. You can't separate your merit argument from opportunity. I do not support giving anyone anything they have not earned. I don't see how you can't recognize how networking and social circles play a big role is picking from pools of qualified people. Do you disagree that often it's not "what you know, but who you know"?

The affirmative action programs I support and participate/fund give deserving people opportunities and access to resources.

[jones4stangs]

Why put “Colored” in the name then? If they are fighting for equality how does pointing out color help? Why make your name “…Advancement of Colored People” if that is not your goal? Is it possible that their agenda is not quite what they lead you to believe?

Listen, I’m not colorblind, but I do my best to judge people on how they act, not on my pre-conceived notions about a certain race. Why can’t we teach people to judge based on actions and to hire based on merit? Wouldn’t that create equality?

We need to change the underlying way people think, not fight each and every action. We can treat the symptoms for generations and not change a damn thing, or we can teach our kids to think differently. Teach them that a black person is no different from a white person because of their color. They are only different when they have shown you by their own actions.
I think if you took a closer look at the NAACP you would find you don't have any real problem with it.

I am please to hear your outlook race. When more people become as enlighten as you then there will truly be no need for the NAACP or any race/sex based affirmative action programs. However, I think to be true to your ideas you have to ask the people "in the trenches" working for equality how things are going. If they say more work is needed, I think their recommendations and actions should be considered and supported.

[93coupelx]

I find it hard to believe anyone who knows the history of the NAACP can state the organization has not had a positive contribution to racial equality in the USA.


Inviting ass bags like Wright to speak doesn't help me see their positive contribution. It makes me sick to see this POS spout off his crap and then watch as the camera pans to a bunch of morons nodding in acceptance of the bullshit that comes out of his mouth.

[jones4stangs]

Why put “Colored” in the name then?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NAACP

The National Association for the Advancement of Colored People (usually abbreviated as NAACP) is one of the oldest and most influential civil rights organizations in the United States.[1] The NAACP was founded on February 12, 1909 by a diverse group composed of W. E. B. Du Bois (African American), Ida B. Wells (African American), Archibald Grimke (African American), Henry Moskowitz (Jewish), Mary White Ovington (white), Oswald Garrison Villard (German-born white), and William English Walling (white, and son of a former slaveholding family),[2][3] to work on behalf of the rights of African Americans. Its name, retained in accord with tradition, is one of the last surviving uses of the term "colored people."


In 1905, a group of 32 prominent, outspoken African Americans met to discuss the challenges facing "people of color" (a term that was used to describe those who were not white people) in the U.S. and possible strategies and solutions.


The organization held its second conference in May of 1910, where members chose the name the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People. [5] The name was formally adopted May 30, and the NAACP incorporated a year later in 1911. The association's charter delineated its mission:

To promote equality of rights and to eradicate caste or race prejudice among the citizens of the United States; to advance the interest of colored citizens; to secure for them impartial suffrage; and to increase their opportunities for securing justice in the courts, education for the children, employment according to their ability and complete equality before law.

The conference resulted in a more influential and diverse organization, where the leadership was predominantly white and heavily Jewish American. In fact, at its founding, the NAACP had only one African American on its executive board, Du Bois himself.

[jones4stangs]

Inviting ass bags like Wright to speak doesn't help me see their positive contribution. It makes me sick to see this POS spout off his crap and then watch as the camera pans to a bunch of morons nodding in acceptance of the bullshit that comes out of his mouth.
I agree. The more I hear from him the more pissed off I get. Who the hell is he speaking for anyway? Himself.

I wish Obama would loose it in an interview and just start cussin' dat muthafucka out!

[slow06]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NAACP

The National Association for the Advancement of Colored People (usually abbreviated as NAACP) is one of the oldest and most influential civil rights organizations in the United States.[1] The NAACP was founded on February 12, 1909 by a diverse group composed of W. E. B. Du Bois (African American), Ida B. Wells (African American), Archibald Grimke (African American), Henry Moskowitz (Jewish), Mary White Ovington (white), Oswald Garrison Villard (German-born white), and William English Walling (white, and son of a former slaveholding family),[2][3] to work on behalf of the rights of African Americans. Its name, retained in accord with tradition, is one of the last surviving uses of the term "colored people."


In 1905, a group of 32 prominent, outspoken African Americans met to discuss the challenges facing "people of color" (a term that was used to describe those who were not white people) in the U.S. and possible strategies and solutions.


The organization held its second conference in May of 1910, where members chose the name the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People. [5] The name was formally adopted May 30, and the NAACP incorporated a year later in 1911. The association's charter delineated its mission:

To promote equality of rights and to eradicate caste or race prejudice among the citizens of the United States; to advance the interest of colored citizens; to secure for them impartial suffrage; and to increase their opportunities for securing justice in the courts, education for the children, employment according to their ability and complete equality before law.

The conference resulted in a more influential and diverse organization, where the leadership was predominantly white and heavily Jewish American. In fact, at its founding, the NAACP had only one African American on its executive board, Du Bois himself.


You made my point for me...It says they started out as African Americans find ways to help African Americans. The leaders being White and Jewish doesn't really mean much in my opinion. I think sometimes in their effort to fight for "colored" rights they step all over white people.

I think if they were still exactly what the above quote says they are they would be alright. But they are not. If they are sitting around agreeing with this crazy bastard Wright then they are far from where they started.

Bottom line, I don't think the NAACP strives for equality. If they are in the pool, they have equality. Just because they are picked less doesn't mean they are being discriminated against. Did any ever stop to remember there are (correction WERE) less of them???

An office with 50 "coloreds" and 50 "Whites" is not equality...

[slow06]

Oh, and retaining that name out of "tradition" is a weak excuse. Just weak as when the 65 year old guy at work wants to call Black people the n word because that is what he grew up saying... ;)

[slow06]

I think if you took a closer look at the NAACP you would find you don't have any real problem with it.

I am please to hear your outlook race. When more people become as enlighten as you then there will truly be no need for the NAACP or any race/sex based affirmative action programs. However, I think to be true to your ideas you have to ask the people "in the trenches" working for equality how things are going. If they say more work is needed, I think their recommendations and actions should be considered and supported.

I'm not enlightened, just logical.

[jones4stangs]

EL OH EL... Seriously?

"At the press club, he jokingly offered himself as Obama's running mate and embraced Nation of Islam leader Louis Farrakhan even though he said he doesn't always agree with him. He criticized the U.S. government as imperialist and stood by his suggestion that the U.S. invented the HIV virus as a means of genocide against minorities. "Based on this Tuskegee experiment and based on what has happened to Africans in this country, I believe our government is capable of doing anything," he said. "
I heard the sound bits and headlines from Obama, so I assumed Wright said more crazy stuff. After listened to it all, I don't think he said anything crazy at this speaking engagement. I think his was arrogant and maybe an ass. However, I think the questions that were asked of him had nothing to do with the speech he presented in defense of "black liberation theology". I disagree that the attacks on him are really attacks on the “black church”. Then again, I may be victim of sound bits and lack of context.

Watch the whole thing and make an informed opinion.

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note: Videos 1-3 are his speach in defense of "black liberation theology". Videos 4-6 is the question and response part.

[forever_frost]

So, are you saying there a no racial and/or sexual inequalities in the USA? Therefore, all the organizations who say they strive for equality have no legitimate reason to exist.

or

Are you saying there are inequalities, but you don't support actively trying to change them? So, play with the hand your dealt and never mind how the cards are being dealt.

or

Are you saying there are inequalities, but people are and have been going about solving them in the wrong ways? What solutions would you propose?

or

Are you saying....... fuck everyone else's problems, I've got my own.

Actually what I am saying is this. They are being treated differently based on skin color, sex, etc. No matter if it's for worse or better, they are recieving differential treatment. Isn't this what they are fighting against? Or is it "Let's only do away with treatment that doesn't benefit us?" Are they equal or are they not?

Another point is this. I am disabled. Physically and mentally and they are able bodied and mind. I also served, they did not. I do realize some serve don't be a dick. But why should any one race recieve treatment over another? Why do I, as a white vet get treated as less than a black woman? Why are my values as a white male, age 28, disabled vet, Christian mean less and is more easily swept aside than the man who wants to wear the colors of his "motherland" and meet with an all black group and get scholarships based on that? Where is the equality that is being demanded?

My thought? They don't want equality. They want entitlement. "Well 200 years ago my ancestors.." Bull shit. You're not hurt by that. Whites have been enslaved too. Check history, but you don't see me bitching to the British because my ancestors were indentured servants and further back I'm sure some white Roman was beat to fuck by someone else of a different race because they lost in a war.

Equality or inequality? If they want equality then it's equal across the board. Stop screaming racism, bigotry and feeling you are owed something if you are just as bad.

[mightyp]

Actually what I am saying is this. They are being treated differently based on skin color, sex, etc. No matter if it's for worse or better, they are recieving differential treatment. Isn't this what they are fighting against? Or is it "Let's only do away with treatment that doesn't benefit us?" Are they equal or are they not?

Another point is this. I am disabled. Physically and mentally and they are able bodied and mind. I also served, they did not. I do realize some serve don't be a dick. But why should any one race recieve treatment over another? Why do I, as a white vet get treated as less than a black woman? Why are my values as a white male, age 28, disabled vet, Christian mean less and is more easily swept aside than the man who wants to wear the colors of his "motherland" and meet with an all black group and get scholarships based on that? Where is the equality that is being demanded?

My thought? They don't want equality. They want entitlement. "Well 200 years ago my ancestors.." Bull shit. You're not hurt by that. Whites have been enslaved too. Check history, but you don't see me bitching to the British because my ancestors were indentured servants and further back I'm sure some white Roman was beat to fuck by someone else of a different race because they lost in a war.

Equality or inequality? If they want equality then it's equal across the board. Stop screaming racism, bigotry and feeling you are owed something if you are just as bad.

I agree %100

[93coupelx]

I heard the sound bits and headlines from Obama, so I assumed Wright said more crazy stuff. After listened to it all, I don't think he said anything crazy at this speaking engagement. I think his was arrogant and maybe an ass. However, I think the questions that were asked of him had nothing to do with the speech he presented in defense of "black liberation theology". I disagree that the attacks on him are really attacks on the “black church”. Then again, I may be victim of sound bits and lack of context.

Watch the whole thing and make an informed opinion.

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note: Videos 1-3 are his speach in defense of "black liberation theology". Videos 4-6 is the question and response part.

I can't watch the video because I am deployed and streaming is blocked, but I have been watching the news and Wright has been making all kinds of comments .Granted I only get blurbs, but even in context they are f-ed up. Making fun of JFK's pronunciation of "ask" (I'll leave the irony alone here on this one) .Saying we're all immigrants if you want to get down to it. Which is the most tired argument for immigration ever. He actually thinks he is not "divisive". His arrogant demeanor alone makes him divisive. Watching CNN yesterday and what do they say about his comments...that Obama needs to come out and be angry about them. Pull up CNN this morning and Obama is furious. It is almost comical if it weren't so sad. Obama supporters will over look any of this mans skeletons.

[black01gt]

He does think he's some hot shit don't he? In the unlikely event that he did have anything worthwhile to say it would be lost with his strutting around like a peacock "for the world to see". Fool thinks it's his 15 minutes.

[Paladin]

I think if you could come up with an area where white people are suffering disproportionately from their counterparts then you could have a basics for an NAAWP.

How about qualified white college applicants being denied entry into a college in lieu of a less qualified person of color?

Try this, what defines a black organization? Now, what defines a white organization? Can you say there are not currently good white organizations? Forget the title, look at the function. Look at the target audience.

I think when you have an organization that represents a group and has a title, let's say Iron Workers Asociation, and then a group springs up and calls themselves the Black Iron Workers Association, or the Iron Workers Association for People of Color, that is when it has gone too far.

Ok, so you feel the USA has come far enough with equality. What is your basis for equality?

When a qualified applicant gets into a college, gets a job, or can get a major party nomination regardless of his race, and it is based upon his qualifications.

Hint: That is where we are today IMO.

Someone black attending a premier college? Richard Greener, became Harvard's first African American graduate in 1870. What year would you say enough racial equality was achieved in the USA? What year would you say woman's equality was achieved in the USA?

There is not a year that it happened, but I saw it happening as early as the 80's, it was definitely here by the 90's, and it is undeniably here today.

What's with this merit argument? People in this thread have insinuated unqualified people are getting good scholarships. I find that hard to believe. Last time I checked you had to have some pretty good scores to qualify for a good scholarship of any kind. Schools choose between which qualified candidates receive scholarship money. However, once you get a pool of qualified candidates there are several factors that influence who from that pool gets selected. In my opinion, the justification from affirmative action programs is that minority candidates are often a part of the pool of qualified candidates, but seldom selected from this pool.

I guess you missed the lawsuit filed by white students at UT's law school where better qualified white applicants got turned down for less qualified black students. It has happened in medical school, law school, and many other places. I guess you find it acceptable to have 100 spots for medical school, they have 2000 applications (all at least minimally qualified), decide to take the top 75 (all of whom are highly qualififed), then randomly go down the list until they find the rest of the candidates based solely on them having an affirmative action designation. I don't, because I don't want my family doctor to be a person who got in based upon his race, not on his qualifications. Would you?

How old are you? I am guessing less than 25, because anyone over that age would probably have been out in the real world enough to know the things you admit you have no knowledge of.

[black01gt]

I think when you have an organization that represents a group and has a title, let's say Iron Workers Asociation, and then a group springs up and calls themselves the Black Iron Workers Association, or the Iron Workers Association for People of Color, that is when it has gone too far.


Yeah, like when you have a group like the NBA and then.......oh..never mind. :o

[slow06]

90 Notch speaks the truth...

[slow06]

Yeah, like when you have a group like the NBA and then.......oh..never mind. :o

HaHa. I would love to see a White NBA...well maybe not. :D

[black01gt]

HaHa. I would love to see a White NBA...well maybe not. :D
I'm old enough to remember when.....

[67camino]

Wright, is a fucking idiot and the more he talks the more clearer it becomes how big an idiot he is :mad: .

[Paladin]

Wright, is a fucking idiot and the more he talks the more clearer it becomes how big an idiot he is :mad: .

How about the guy who sat in his church for 20 years listening to said idiot and then wants us to believe he makes wise choices and decisions? No, thanks!

[jones4stangs]

How about qualified white college applicants being denied entry into a college in lieu of a less qualified person of color?

I think when you have an organization that represents a group and has a title, let's say Iron Workers Asociation, and then a group springs up and calls themselves the Black Iron Workers Association, or the Iron Workers Association for People of Color, that is when it has gone too far.

When a qualified applicant gets into a college, gets a job, or can get a major party nomination regardless of his race, and it is based upon his qualifications.

Hint: That is where we are today IMO.

There is not a year that it happened, but I saw it happening as early as the 80's, it was definitely here by the 90's, and it is undeniably here today.

I guess you missed the lawsuit filed by white students at UT's law school where better qualified white applicants got turned down for less qualified black students. It has happened in medical school, law school, and many other places. I guess you find it acceptable to have 100 spots for medical school, they have 2000 applications (all at least minimally qualified), decide to take the top 75 (all of whom are highly qualififed), then randomly go down the list until they find the rest of the candidates based solely on them having an affirmative action designation. I don't, because I don't want my family doctor to be a person who got in based upon his race, not on his qualifications. Would you?

How old are you? I am guessing less than 25, because anyone over that age would probably have been out in the real world enough to know the things you admit you have no knowledge of.
Qualified applicants. If I say you need a 3.0 to qualify as an applicant. Student A has a 3.8 and Student B has a 3.5. Student B does not become a less qualified applicant. Both students are qualified under the 3.0 standard set for the applicant.

The question should be why is a Black Iron Workers Assoc. needed if an Iron Workers Assoc. already exists? As far as labeling something “black”. That’s just the way things are done. Subgroups use more descriptive labels. Why “Iron Workers”? Why don’t they just call themselves the Workers Association? Organizations are founded to meet the needs of their members. If the needs are justifiable and lawful, then I don’t see a problem.

I agree, that is a fair basis for equality.

I agree, things seem to be continually changing for the better. What organizations have been apart of this change? What governmental policies were involved in this change? You don’t think affirmative action programs have been apart of this change?

I grew up in Austin. My wife is a UT grad. I didn’t miss it at all. I am well aware of the changing landscape of affirmative action programs.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas_House_Bill_588

Texas House Bill 588
The law guarantees Texas students who graduated in the top ten percent of their high school class automatic admission to all state-funded universities.

Can you separate the UT law school admissions change from the top 10% law? I consider this House Bill to be another form of affirmative action.

http://www.news.harvard.edu/gazette/2003/07.17/13-affirm.html

In the June 23 decisions, the Supreme Court upheld the University of Michigan Law School's general use of race as a plus factor in an individualized admissions process, but struck down the university's specific undergraduate admissions policy that awarded a fixed number of points to every minority applicant from certain minority groups.

The ruling will not affect Harvard College's admissions policies, which have long considered race along with many other factors to assemble a diverse class of incoming students. Justices and attorneys referred to Harvard's undergraduate admissions plan as a model and cited Harvard research that demonstrates the benefits of student body diversity in higher education.

"A majority of the court, in the (Law School) case, unequivocally recognizes the essential educational benefits that flow from a diverse student body. It recognizes that 'the path to leadership' should be 'visibly open to talented and qualified individuals of every race and ethnicity.' And it confirms that universities are entitled to substantial deference on matters at the heart of their academic mission, such as the selection of their students,"

Are University and College admissions and scholarship programs based solely on academic performance? Hell No! How about sports, letters of recommendation, alumni, essays, ect….

I’ll agree race and gender are physical attribute not performance based. However, can you deny that race and gender are apart of the political process and decision making? How have these so-called unfair race and gender policies benefited the schools? Want kinds of school funding has been a result of the political process? The point being, whether you think affirmative action programs are fair or not, the schools involved have benefited from their usage. It isn’t all about “entitlement”. Often the schools take an easy road for monetary gain.


The problem I see is some folks say they want or appreciate equality, then speak against the very things, people, and organizations that work for equality. If you seek to reconcile an injustice, you can’t just put in an effort and then call it solved without seeking the council of the group that the injustice was committed against.

[slow06]

Qualified applicants. If I say you need a 3.0 to qualify as an applicant. Student A has a 3.8 and Student B has a 3.5. Student B does not become a less qualified applicant. Both students are qualified under the 3.0 standard set for the applicant.

The question should be why is a Black Iron Workers Assoc. needed if an Iron Workers Assoc. already exists? As far as labeling something “black”. That’s just the way things are done. Subgroups use more descriptive labels. Why “Iron Workers”? Why don’t they just call themselves the Workers Association? Organizations are founded to meet the needs of their members. If the needs are justifiable and lawful, then I don’t see a problem.



If organizations are named to describe their members, and they are founded to meet the needs of their members, then who is the National Association for the Advancement of "Colored People" trying to meet the needs of?

Do you see my point?

[Paladin]

Qualified applicants. If I say you need a 3.0 to qualify as an applicant. Student A has a 3.8 and Student B has a 3.5. Student B does not become a less qualified applicant. Both students are qualified under the 3.0 standard set for the applicant.

The question should be why is a Black Iron Workers Assoc. needed if an Iron Workers Assoc. already exists? As far as labeling something “black”. That’s just the way things are done. Subgroups use more descriptive labels. Why “Iron Workers”? Why don’t they just call themselves the Workers Association? Organizations are founded to meet the needs of their members. If the needs are justifiable and lawful, then I don’t see a problem.

I agree, that is a fair basis for equality.

I agree, things seem to be continually changing for the better. What organizations have been apart of this change? What governmental policies were involved in this change? You don’t think affirmative action programs have been apart of this change?

I grew up in Austin. My wife is a UT grad. I didn’t miss it at all. I am well aware of the changing landscape of affirmative action programs.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas_House_Bill_588

Texas House Bill 588
The law guarantees Texas students who graduated in the top ten percent of their high school class automatic admission to all state-funded universities.

Can you separate the UT law school admissions change from the top 10% law? I consider this House Bill to be another form of affirmative action.

http://www.news.harvard.edu/gazette/2003/07.17/13-affirm.html

In the June 23 decisions, the Supreme Court upheld the University of Michigan Law School's general use of race as a plus factor in an individualized admissions process, but struck down the university's specific undergraduate admissions policy that awarded a fixed number of points to every minority applicant from certain minority groups.

The ruling will not affect Harvard College's admissions policies, which have long considered race along with many other factors to assemble a diverse class of incoming students. Justices and attorneys referred to Harvard's undergraduate admissions plan as a model and cited Harvard research that demonstrates the benefits of student body diversity in higher education.

"A majority of the court, in the (Law School) case, unequivocally recognizes the essential educational benefits that flow from a diverse student body. It recognizes that 'the path to leadership' should be 'visibly open to talented and qualified individuals of every race and ethnicity.' And it confirms that universities are entitled to substantial deference on matters at the heart of their academic mission, such as the selection of their students,"

Are University and College admissions and scholarship programs based solely on academic performance? Hell No! How about sports, letters of recommendation, alumni, essays, ect….

I’ll agree race and gender are physical attribute not performance based. However, can you deny that race and gender are apart of the political process and decision making? How have these so-called unfair race and gender policies benefited the schools? Want kinds of school funding has been a result of the political process? The point being, whether you think affirmative action programs are fair or not, the schools involved have benefited from their usage. It isn’t all about “entitlement”. Often the schools take an easy road for monetary gain.


The problem I see is some folks say they want or appreciate equality, then speak against the very things, people, and organizations that work for equality. If you seek to reconcile an injustice, you can’t just put in an effort and then call it solved without seeking the council of the group that the injustice was committed against.

I am guessing you are either a hard core liberal or a person who has benefited from affirmative action. Your words and thought processes sure say so.

BTW, where does this "council" you speak of meet? :p

[Vertnut]

Qualified applicants. If I say you need a 3.0 to qualify as an applicant. Student A has a 3.8 and Student B has a 3.5. Student B does not become a less qualified applicant. Both students are qualified under the 3.0 standard set for the applicant.

The question should be why is a Black Iron Workers Assoc. needed if an Iron Workers Assoc. already exists? As far as labeling something “black”. That’s just the way things are done. Subgroups use more descriptive labels. Why “Iron Workers”? Why don’t they just call themselves the Workers Association? Organizations are founded to meet the needs of their members. If the needs are justifiable and lawful, then I don’t see a problem.

I agree, that is a fair basis for equality.

I agree, things seem to be continually changing for the better. What organizations have been apart of this change? What governmental policies were involved in this change? You don’t think affirmative action programs have been apart of this change?

I grew up in Austin. My wife is a UT grad. I didn’t miss it at all. I am well aware of the changing landscape of affirmative action programs.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas_House_Bill_588

Texas House Bill 588
The law guarantees Texas students who graduated in the top ten percent of their high school class automatic admission to all state-funded universities.

Can you separate the UT law school admissions change from the top 10% law? I consider this House Bill to be another form of affirmative action.

http://www.news.harvard.edu/gazette/2003/07.17/13-affirm.html

In the June 23 decisions, the Supreme Court upheld the University of Michigan Law School's general use of race as a plus factor in an individualized admissions process, but struck down the university's specific undergraduate admissions policy that awarded a fixed number of points to every minority applicant from certain minority groups.

The ruling will not affect Harvard College's admissions policies, which have long considered race along with many other factors to assemble a diverse class of incoming students. Justices and attorneys referred to Harvard's undergraduate admissions plan as a model and cited Harvard research that demonstrates the benefits of student body diversity in higher education.

"A majority of the court, in the (Law School) case, unequivocally recognizes the essential educational benefits that flow from a diverse student body. It recognizes that 'the path to leadership' should be 'visibly open to talented and qualified individuals of every race and ethnicity.' And it confirms that universities are entitled to substantial deference on matters at the heart of their academic mission, such as the selection of their students,"

Are University and College admissions and scholarship programs based solely on academic performance? Hell No! How about sports, letters of recommendation, alumni, essays, ect….

I’ll agree race and gender are physical attribute not performance based. However, can you deny that race and gender are apart of the political process and decision making? How have these so-called unfair race and gender policies benefited the schools? Want kinds of school funding has been a result of the political process? The point being, whether you think affirmative action programs are fair or not, the schools involved have benefited from their usage. It isn’t all about “entitlement”. Often the schools take an easy road for monetary gain.


The problem I see is some folks say they want or appreciate equality, then speak against the very things, people, and organizations that work for equality. If you seek to reconcile an injustice, you can’t just put in an effort and then call it solved without seeking the council of the group that the injustice was committed against.
You growing up in Austin explains a lot about your posts'. I, too, grew up in Austin, though probably in a different era. I left there in 1976.

When you choose a person that is less qualified for the job than another person, I think you are discriminating. Medical schools and law schools that use that logic, aren't using the best prospects for lawyers and doctors. It's like the old joke: What do you call a guy that had a 2.0 in medical school? Doctor...

[slow06]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas_House_Bill_588

Texas House Bill 588
The law guarantees Texas students who graduated in the top ten percent of their high school class automatic admission to all state-funded universities.

Can you separate the UT law school admissions change from the top 10% law? I consider this House Bill to be another form of affirmative action.

http://www.news.harvard.edu/gazette/2003/07.17/13-affirm.html

In the June 23 decisions, the Supreme Court upheld the University of Michigan Law School's general use of race as a plus factor in an individualized admissions process, but struck down the university's specific undergraduate admissions policy that awarded a fixed number of points to every minority applicant from certain minority groups.

The ruling will not affect Harvard College's admissions policies, which have long considered race along with many other factors to assemble a diverse class of incoming students. Justices and attorneys referred to Harvard's undergraduate admissions plan as a model and cited Harvard research that demonstrates the benefits of student body diversity in higher education.

"A majority of the court, in the (Law School) case, unequivocally recognizes the essential educational benefits that flow from a diverse student body. It recognizes that 'the path to leadership' should be 'visibly open to talented and qualified individuals of every race and ethnicity.' And it confirms that universities are entitled to substantial deference on matters at the heart of their academic mission, such as the selection of their students,"

Are University and College admissions and scholarship programs based solely on academic performance? Hell No! How about sports, letters of recommendation, alumni, essays, ect….

I’ll agree race and gender are physical attribute not performance based. However, can you deny that race and gender are apart of the political process and decision making? How have these so-called unfair race and gender policies benefited the schools? Want kinds of school funding has been a result of the political process? The point being, whether you think affirmative action programs are fair or not, the schools involved have benefited from their usage. It isn’t all about “entitlement”. Often the schools take an easy road for monetary gain.


The problem I see is some folks say they want or appreciate equality, then speak against the very things, people, and organizations that work for equality. If you seek to reconcile an injustice, you can’t just put in an effort and then call it solved without seeking the council of the group that the injustice was committed against.

That is not equality!

Equality does not mean diversity. This says that they take race into account for admissions. You love that when it helps you cause, but if a school went the other way with it the NAACP would be all over their case, wouldn't they?

[roberts]

I say put him in office.

He actually makes fuckin sense.

I like J Wright

[Yale]

no.
Ok then. Thanks.

[Zarathustra]

I say put him in office.

He actually makes fuckin sense.

I like J Wright

hehehehe

I like this guy...

[Mr Majestyk]

hehehehe

I like guys...


Do tell......

[jims93lx]

How about the guy who sat in his church for 20 years listening to said idiot and then wants us to believe he makes wise choices and decisions? No, thanks!

This is exactly the issue that I have. That Barack Obama sat in the pew at this church and listened to Wright spew this crap about how the white government has kept the black man down. To me, it seems like he was okay with whatever Wright said until someone called him on it and now he's renouncing the guy to get elected. Last time I checked, a tiger can't change his stripes.

And isn't this what this thread was started about in the first place. Yet, some liberal comes in and totally hijacks it to tell us all how great the NAACP is for ALL people...

[slow06]

From Wright's Video...not exactly his wording, correct me if you feel it necessary...
"The American People have not apologized to Africans for Enslaving them"

How long are people going to walk around with a fucking chip on their shoulder? Once we say "I'm sorry" will that make it all go away? Here is it "Africans", on behalf of all White America...

I AM SORRY YOU WERE ENSLAVED BY WHITE PEOPLE. IT WAS WRONG, IT NEVER SHOULD HAVE HAPPENED, AND YOU ARE NO MORE OR LEES OF A PERSON BECAUSE OF YOUR SKIN COLOR.

Are we good? :cool:

[jims93lx]

From Wright's Video...My wording, not his.

The American People have not apologized to Africans for Enslaving them

How long are people going to walk around with a fucking chip on their shoulder? Once we say "I'm sorry" will that make it all go away? Here is it "Africans", on behalf of all White America...

I AM SORRY YOU WERE ENSLAVED BY WHITE PEOPLE. IT WAS WRONG, IT NEVER SHOULD HAVE HAPPENED, AND YOU ARE NO MORE OR LEES OF A PERSON BECAUSE OF YOUR SKIN COLOR.

Are we good? :cool:

WHAT!?!?! Does he want white people to walk up to every black person that they see and apologize because our ancestors enslaved them.

That would be the funniest conversation in history. I'll start doing that today.

[slow06]

And upon this act, sincerely believed to be an act of justice, warranted by the Constitution, upon military necessity, I invoke the considerate judgment of mankind, and the gracious favor of Almighty God.

Translation - We F***ed up.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but Wright is not old enough to have ever been a slave.

How many White people alive today "owned" slaves.
How many Black people alive today were slaves.
Are these numbers enough bring up slavery as an excuse as often as we hear it?

[Vertnut]

WHAT!?!?! Does he want white people to walk up to every black person that they see and apologize because our ancestors enslaved them.

That would be the funniest conversation in history. I'll start doing that today.
He'd rather see you send "reparation" money...to him and his church, so he can finish that multi-million dollar mansion in the high-tone white neighborhood.