If you were shopping for a ford performace head, what would you buy?

[mikeb]

What does everyone consider to be "the" performance ford head?

This is a thread as a result of the stangtamer thread.

if other please specify.

[slow55]

If for what ever reason in hell I was going to build a ford out of your selection I would go with Afr's. Now if I was personaly going bother with building a ford for myself I would use the Chi cleveland style heads and make some serious power.

[mikeb]

If for what ever reason in hell I was going to build a ford out of your selection I would go with Afr's. Now if I was personaly going bother with building a ford for myself I would use the Chi cleveland style heads and make some serious power.

Sorry, i'm not totally up to speed on the current ford head selections. The point of this thread is to count the "edel performer rpm" selections, if any.

[Andrew]

I would buy the edelbrock performer rpm heads if they flowed the same as the pontiac offering.

[mikeb]

I would buy the edelbrock performer rpm heads if they flowed the same as the pontiac offering.

290cfm?

[slow55]

Sorry, i'm not totally up to speed on the current ford head selections. The point of this thread is to count the "edel performer rpm" selections, if any.
I'm not either, I was looking at ford heads for a project motor and came across the Chi heads. After reading up the flow numbers and the layout of the heads they are really bad ass heads. The canted valves and port locations are nice on them.

[NEAL]

http://www.foxlakeracing.com/twisted.php enough said.;)
Those who know will only choose TFS !!

[mikeb]

I'm not either, I was looking at ford heads for a project motor and came across the Chi heads. After reading up the flow numbers and the layout of the heads they are really bad ass heads. The canted valves and port locations are nice on them.

Current head technology is freaking amazing, isn't it? When I first started the hot setup was to find a set of factory hipo heads and port them for a miserable flow increase and getting to blow iron dust out of your nose for a week.

[Andrew]

290cfm?

Chad's flowed quite a bit more. Ford performer rpm heads are junk. The comparison between the ford and pontiac heads is like the pontiac vs. BBC. No comparison at all. Just because the heads say 'performer rpm' across brands or styles of head means little to nothing.

[Andrew]

I'm not either, I was looking at ford heads for a project motor and came across the Chi heads. After reading up the flow numbers and the layout of the heads they are really bad ass heads. The canted valves and port locations are nice on them.


Brodix BF202, maybe the CFE pro kings if you need an inline head.

[mikeb]

Chad's flowed quite a bit more. Ford performer rpm heads are junk. The comparison between the ford and pontiac heads is like the pontiac vs. BBC. No comparison at all. Just because the heads say 'performer rpm' across brands or styles of head means little to nothing.

chad's flowed 335cfm.

But yet someone is running in the 5's with ford performer rpms. Must not be junk!

Where is the victor head for the pontiac?

[Andrew]

chad's flowed 335cfm.

But yet someone is running in the 5's with ford performer rpms. Must not be junk!

Who is running 5's with ford performer rpms?

Edit: I went 5.5's with 304 cfm heads....

[mikeb]

Who is running 5's with ford performer rpms?

Edit: I went 5.5's with 304 cfm heads....

orangechevyII. Or i guess they were chevy performer rpms.

Oh, and boost rules and to some degree makes head flow irrevelant. Marty Palbykn made 1600hp on ported pontiac factory iron d ports.

[slow55]

Brodix BF202, maybe the CFE pro kings if you need an inline head.
Thats getting up there in price range and also a more complicated motor build up than what most people are experianced to do. I was talking about a bolt on head that uses damn near all stock style componets. Cfe's are about the best heads you could buy, but If I was spending that much on a motor it would have a set of 14 degree big chief's setting on it.

[slow55]

orangechevyII. Or i guess they were chevy performer rpms.

Oh, and boost rules and to some degree makes head flow irrevelant. Marty Palbykn made 1600hp on ported pontiac factory iron d ports.
Big head are totaly different than small block heads, the only comparison between a smblk performer and bbc performer is the name.

[mikeb]

Big head are totaly different than small block heads, the only comparison between a smblk performer and bbc performer is the name.

still, is the performer RPM your first choice when selecting a head for either a small block or a big block?

[Andrew]

orangechevyII. Or i guess they were chevy performer rpms.

Oh, and boost rules and to some degree makes head flow irrevelant. Marty Palbykn made 1600hp on ported pontiac factory iron d ports.

Didn't chad say that orange's rpm heads were a canted valve head?

[slow55]

still, is the performer RPM your first choice when selecting a head for either a small block or a big block?
Not for me. When it comes to small blocks a favor Afr heads and Dart's for big blocks. I wouldn't even concider a performer head unless I was building a daily driver. To many other heads out there that make good bolt on power to mes with the edelbrocks. They are still nice heads just wouldn't be my first or fourth choice in heads.

[StangTamer]

Chad's flowed quite a bit more. Ford performer rpm heads are junk. The comparison between the ford and pontiac heads is like the pontiac vs. BBC. No comparison at all. Just because the heads say 'performer rpm' across brands or styles of head means little to nothing.


Yeah, mine flowed 335cfm maxed out unless you did some serious work to make them wide ports. I agree that the name RPM doesn't mean much when you compare them. You just can't compare a canted valve head to a wedge. There is so much better R&D in the Ford/Chevy world vs the Pontiac world it isn't even close. The biggest reason is not just the heads, it is the bore spacing. For a motor that has been out of production for 30 years I think the Pontiac world is getting stronger every day.

[StangTamer]

Didn't chad say that orange's rpm heads were a canted valve head?


When i looked up BBC RPM heads they looked canted to me.

[slow55]

When i looked up BBC RPM heads they looked canted to me.
They are, 24 degree intake and I think 15 degree exhast valve angles.

[mikeb]

Yeah, mine flowed 335cfm maxed out unless you did some serious work to make them wide ports. I agree that the name RPM doesn't mean much when you compare them. You just can't compare a canted valve head to a wedge. There is so much better R&D in the Ford/Chevy world vs the Pontiac world it isn't even close. The biggest reason is not just the heads, it is the bore spacing. For a motor that has been out of production for 30 years I think the Pontiac world is getting stronger every day.

335 cfm at like .700 lift. All I have is about .575 on a flat tappet :D

There is no R&D on pontiac stuff being done by the big guys. The heavy lifting is being done by companies most of you have never heard of. It has been a long process but now we have good blocks, cranks, and (finally) heads. All you need is a thick wallet :( or a turbocharger :)

[Thehead]

this poll is alittle misleading! there are REAL performance heads that most wouldn't run on the street and then there are very good street/strip heads. IF i were going to build a motor to make big power on the street and some track duty, i would probably go with a set of VICTORs or some TFS HIGHPORTS!

[NEAL]

this poll is alittle misleading! there are REAL performance heads that most wouldn't run on the street and then there are very good street/strip heads. IF i were going to build a motor to make big power on the street and some track duty, i would probably go with a set of VICTORs or some TFS HIGHPORTS!
Your talking about a different level of street.

[spankustang]

AFR's :rolleyes:
The TFS Highport head is the best inline Ford head on the market!!!

[Andrew]

AFR's :rolleyes:
The TFS Highport head is the best inline Ford head on the market!!!

NOT true.

http://www.cferacing.com/cfesbfpk.php

THAT is the baddest inline Ford head that I am aware of. The Highport is not a 400+ cfm head.

[Roar's Boss]

AFR's :rolleyes:
The TFS Highport head is the best inline Ford head on the market!!!
My AFr's work just fine. If I need more, I'll throw some more psi at em.

[scott442]

There is no R&D on pontiac stuff being done by the big guys. The heavy lifting is being done by companies most of you have never heard of. It has been a long process but now we have good blocks, cranks, and (finally) heads. All you need is a thick wallet :( or a turbocharger :)

At least you Pontiac guys have aftermarket blocks. Us Oldsmobilians have to make do with spending big bucks modifying junkyard blocks to make power. For the record the Olds Edelbrock Performer RPM head is basically an aluminum copy of the C casting factory head. Quickest Olds guy in the country Bill Trovato is running 30 year old Batten heads.

[NEAL]

AFR's :rolleyes:
The TFS Highport head is the best inline Ford head on the market!!!
I agree ..........I think that the AFR's are junk. TFS FTW !!!:D

[Roar's Boss]

I agree ..........I think that the AFR's are junk. TFS FTW !!!:D

And what is your basis for calling them junk? Have you run them?

[Beenfetchedlately]

CFE is by far the best SBF head out of the box.

[Andrew]

And what is your basis for calling them junk? Have you run them?

How fast have you been with AFRs?

[turbostang]

TFS/R FTMFW!

(I have a set, anyone wanna buy them? :D )

[Roar's Boss]

How fast have you been with AFRs?

You know how fast its been so far, and we haven't even pushed it yet.

[truestreet5.8]

You know how fast its been so far, and we haven't even pushed it yet.Without a dought the little 205's WILL run in the 5.teen's! Anymore questions?? :eek:

Also Tony's car runs them and he will be just as quick.

[slow55]

CFE is by far the best SBF head out of the box.
I wouldn't really call them out of the box, since they come out of the box, go into the machine and then back into the box.

[fordracing19]

Yates?

[barronj]

And what is your basis for calling them junk? Have you run them?

Well, they might not be junk, but it irritated the shit out me how none of the threaded holes (exhaust, intake, valve cover) had steel inserts. Soft aluminum & no heli-coils made for easy cross threading.

Compare that little feature to it being standard on E-junks, and I'm scratching my head.

[Roar's Boss]

Well, they might not be junk, but it irritated the shit out me how none of the threaded holes (exhaust, intake, valve cover) had steel inserts. Soft aluminum & no heli-coils made for easy cross threading.

Compare that little feature to it being standard on E-junks, and I'm scratching my head.

I haven't had any cross thread issues yet and my motor has been apart many many times because of another issue. I hope I didn't just jinx myself! :eek: Joe Torres at Hans Fuestals flowed them out of the box and was impressed. No they don't flow the big numbers that some of the others do. But with forced induction there is some give and take. I prefer the smaller numbers and velocity with more boost with the small motor. I have not pulled any studs and the seat pressure is 800# on I think the closed side. They also have some thicker areas in the heads at certain places. I have had no problems with them at all. I had some Edelbrock Performer heads prior (not RPM and with the 190 exhaust) and they worked real well. I can't remember times right now, maybe Josh does, but they worked better than most would have thought.