MMA has reached a new level..........

[SSMAN]

I just don't know what to say. :confused:


http://msn.foxsports.com/boxing/story/7959842?MSNHPHCP&GT1=39002

[KJ94GT]

What's wrong with it? It's no different than putting a kid in karate or tae-kwon-do.

My kid will be in it as soon as he's old enough and mature enough to understand.

[silvercobra03]

I say why not I think it will help kids in two ways:
1. Maturity
2. Registering for being lethal weapons :D

[DOHCTR]

this mma shit is a fad that will die out eventually

[silvercobra03]

this mma shit is a fad that will die out eventually


Really you think so? It seems to be building some momentum I read that CBS is throwing there hat into the MMA world.

[Dim Mak]

this mma shit is a fad that will die out eventually

LMAO.......you must be a boxer. :P

[8mpg]

What's wrong with it? It's no different than putting a kid in karate or tae-kwon-do.

My kid will be in it as soon as he's old enough and mature enough to understand.

the problem is that children in today's society are growing up with the wrong morals and atmosphere. Children are growing up in a world of no respect. Teaching kids to fight in something like MMA is completely different than Karate or tae-kwon-do. These forms of fighting are for self-defense and are forms of discipline. Encouraging children to fight is not a good thing. Children these days have take a turn for the worse. Encouraging stuff like this will only make things worse.

[jwalk]

well my kids already take Hapkido so whats the difference. We are taught striking, kicking, locks, breaks, throws and falls and we spar. I am all for it.

[Yellowstang]

That and a CHL and they might be able to walk down the street at night without getting mugged.

[KJ94GT]

the problem is that children in today's society are growing up with the wrong morals and atmosphere. Children are growing up in a world of no respect. Teaching kids to fight in something like MMA is completely different than Karate or tae-kwon-do. These forms of fighting are for self-defense and are forms of discipline. Encouraging children to fight is not a good thing. Children these days have take a turn for the worse. Encouraging stuff like this will only make things worse.
Not necessarily. Of course there are two sides to everything. If the child has a good base, martial arts will help them learn some discipline, control and other things. If the kid is already a little bastard, then they're just going to use their new-found skills for wrong doings.
MMA also can teach discipline and self-defense. I fail to see the difference between MMA with regard to tae-kwon-do and karate.

[jwalk]

Karate and TaeKwanDo are not designed for self defense (in 99% of dojo/dojangs), they teach discipline and strength and build confidence but they dont teach you to react to getting punched in the head.

Until they are old enough; I am taking care of the CHL part :)

[8mpg]

Not necessarily. Of course there are two sides to everything. If the child has a good base, martial arts will help them learn some discipline, control and other things. If the kid is already a little bastard, then they're just going to use their new-found skills for wrong doings.
MMA also can teach discipline and self-defense. I fail to see the difference between MMA with regard to tae-kwon-do and karate.

When I took tae-kwon-do many many years ago, we had sparring. That was the extent of actual physical fighting and always wore pads to protect ourselves. MMA does the opposite. They preached fighting was bad and should only be used to protect yourself in self defense

[HobieF3]

So why is mma any worse than boxing, wrestling, or traditional martial arts?

Combining them is somehow seriously different than keeping them separate? :rolleyes:

[KJ94GT]

When I took tae-kwon-do many many years ago, we had sparring. That was the extent of actual physical fighting and always wore pads to protect ourselves. MMA does the opposite. They preached fighting was bad and should only be used to protect yourself in self defense
I think any martial art is bad in the hands of someone with no self-control or maturity. Martial arts are supposed to help teach discipline. Just because you know you can whip ass doesn't mean you should. So yea, I'm all for kids learning self-defense, martial arts or a mix in MMA.

[Effigy]

this mma shit is a fad that will die out eventually


I dunno, its human nature to want to see this stuff. We've always had violent sports(gladiators etc, all those tribal games with human heads, yadda yadda), I don't think MMA is going anywhere for a very long time.

[fst_stng]

Im all for it and i dont see anything wrong with it. My kids will be getting into mma as soon as they get old enough.

[David]

this mma shit is a fad that will die out eventually
I hope so. I find it terribly boring to watch.

[ThreeFingerPete]

I hope so. I find it terribly boring to watch.

You wouldn't if they had guns! That's next year, You fucking commie.

[Nate]

this mma shit is a fad that will die out eventually
....yeah....I'm going to have to ask you how you actually think this is true? :confused:

[Nate]

the problem is that children in today's society are growing up with the wrong morals and atmosphere. Children are growing up in a world of no respect. Teaching kids to fight in something like MMA is completely different than Karate or tae-kwon-do. These forms of fighting are for self-defense and are forms of discipline. Encouraging children to fight is not a good thing. Children these days have take a turn for the worse. Encouraging stuff like this will only make things worse.
Sounds like a whole lot of back in the good ol days syndrome to me. Everything is always so much worse in today's kids then it was when you were a kid. I'm sure your parents/grandparents said the same thing about our generation growing up.

MMA fighters are much better suited for self defense in the real world then a couple of cute kicks from tae kwon do.

[Zinc_Stang]

If and when I have a son he will be doing MMA. Not for fighting or a career but for discipline, exercise, better grades, self-defense. I hope they offer it as a sport in high schools. I was watching Inside MMA and "El Guapo" was saying there is a high school in CA that has MMA as a sport.

I already have the MMA school's narrowed down to 3, I just need a son lol....One is more centered toward Muay Thai and then BJJ, the other is a little of everything, and the third is BJJ and then Muay Thai. All three have children programs starting at age 5.

[Nate]

I'll more than likely have my son if I ever have one start BJJ early in his life. He can learn striking later if need be.

[KJ94GT]

If and when I have a son he will be doing MMA. Not for fighting or a career but for discipline, exercise, better grades, self-defense. I hope they offer it as a sport in high schools. I was watching Inside MMA and "El Guapo" was saying there is a high school in CA that has MMA as a sport.

I already have the MMA school's narrowed down to 3, I just need a son lol....One is more centered toward Muay Thai and then BJJ, the other is a little of everything, and the third is BJJ and then Muay Thai. All three have children programs starting at age 5.
I live in Allen, too. Which schools are on your mind?

[Zinc_Stang]

I live in Allen, too. Which schools are on your mind?

http://www.saekson.com/home.htm

http://www.ndbjj.com/index_home_page.htm

The third one is on spring creek heading west? it's on the left on the second floor.

Do you know of any others or know of these first hand? I haven't been to any of these but they are local and doing some searches have pretty good reps.

[David]

You wouldn't if they had guns! That's next year, You fucking commie.
Maybe if there was more skull bashing, broken bones, and less WWE action; Id probably enjoy it.

I wanna see hardcore violence for the pay per view buck.

[jwalk]

I read that NDBJJ is pretty good - their head instructor is a black belt under Jacare.
There are a ton of good schools in the area.
DFW schools (mostly BJJ):

http://www.mohlerjiu-jitsu.com/

http://www.starbjj.com/

http://www.carlosmachado.net/

http://dfwjiujitsu.com/dfwjj/index.html

machado
mohler
alliance jd shelley
roberto kaelin
terry corkran
yousef
dfw jiujitsu
freddy pooles
marcus hicks
chris brennen

[ruffdaddy]

I say UFC is a fad that's dieing. MMA will continue to remain popular.

I went to a live UFC fight and lost most respect for the organization. Good thing there are more.

[busted90]

I see nothing wrong with kids getting into MMA, once my kids get old enough they will all have some training. My daughter wont have to have her brothers protect her.

[deso]

MMA fighters are much better suited for self defense in the real world then a couple of cute kicks from tae kwon do.
Truth, I watched a black belt in TKD get his ass kicked by a gangsta that fights like most people do in videos on the internet (wild arm flailing).

[The Big Matt]

When I took tae-kwon-do many many years ago, we had sparring. That was the extent of actual physical fighting and always wore pads to protect ourselves. MMA does the opposite. They preached fighting was bad and should only be used to protect yourself in self defense

so in those tournaments, and sparring, did you wait til you were attacked before you attacked?

Are you kidding me with this BS?

Tell me this... What's the difference between MMA and Karate, Jiu Jitsu, Judo, Wrestling?

[Jimi G]

My 4 year old is on my buddies wrestling team, which I help coach at and he loves it, that is all he wants to do and talk about some days. I don't know if I would put him into MMA just yet but it will be an option when I think he is ready.

As for the naysayers, my son had a problem with hitting other kids at his school when he didn't get what he wanted. But since he has been practicing his behavior has improved tremendously.

[01WhiteCobra]

Truth, I watched a black belt in TKD get his ass kicked by a gangsta that fights like most people do in videos on the internet (wild arm flailing).

TKD is all about show. Great in tourneys with rules not so good with some maniac flailing their arms and getting you to the ground.

so in those tournaments, and sparring, did you wait til you were attacked before you attacked?

Are you kidding me with this BS?

Tell me this... What's the difference between MMA and Karate, Jiu Jitsu, Judo, Wrestling?

TKD tournaments, at least when I was doing them in the 70s and early 80s, had contact to the body, none to the face and no grappling. Also, once a point had been made the match stopped and the fighters were put back to ready position. Next point, ready position, next point, ready position, etc. The matches ran to 5 (?) points with no rounds.

Wrestling obviously has no blatant striking although it does accidentally occur.

Having said all that, let the kids duke it out. As long as it is a controlled atmosphere it shouldn't be any different than two 9 years olds colliding head on during a youth league football game.

I suffered more concussions on the football field than I ever had fighting at high school parties.

[SSMAN]

Maybe if there was more skull bashing, broken bones, and less WWE action; Id probably enjoy it.

I wanna see hardcore violence for the pay per view buck.


It's kinda like deer hunting. You don't always see the buck, but eventually you will. Same with the good fights. I have no clue how you can say it is boring. :confused: But then I love watching it. I like the fact that though it is martial arts, it shows that it boils down do a street brawl in many cases. Unlike how the movies portray it.

[SSMAN]

To be honest, I have mixed feelings about kids that young getting into it. Kids are supposed to have fun and not hurt each other. I could see it as some sick fucking father trying to live out his childhood again through his son. A six year old should not know what it is like to be choked unconcious IMO. But then I am a father, I do love my son, and I don't want to see him hurt in any way. (or hurting anyone else.)

[David]

It's kinda like deer hunting. You don't always see the buck, but eventually you will. Same with the good fights. I have no clue how you can say it is boring. :confused: But then I love watching it. I like the fact that though it is martial arts, it shows that it boils down do a street brawl in many cases. Unlike how the movies portray it.
Just doesnt do anything for me. I hear all this hype and get to see nothing.

But it probably boils down to an understanding of the sport which I have no knowledge of. All I hear is hype and see two guys hugging on each other eventually fall down into some pretzel move.

[SSMAN]

Just doesnt do anything for me. I hear all this hype and get to see nothing.

All I hear is hype and see two guys hugging on each other eventually fall down into some pretzel move.

LOL! :D There are some bouts like that. I would have to agree those do get boring. But I watched some reruns of the Iceman last night. Now he is stand up all the way. Good punches thrown. Got to weed through the boring ones. Kinda like heavy weight boxing where they just lay all over each other at the end.

[avinson]

WOW some of you are clueless.

[The Big Matt]

To be honest, I have mixed feelings about kids that young getting into it. Kids are supposed to have fun and not hurt each other. I could see it as some sick fucking father trying to live out his childhood again through his son. A six year old should not know what it is like to be choked unconcious IMO. But then I am a father, I do love my son, and I don't want to see him hurt in any way. (or hurting anyone else.)

You don't think these kids are already doing this in an uncontrolled environment with their friends? Backyard wrestling, and fighting?

At least here it's a controlled environment, with martial arts based training, and rules. It's not like they are taking two kids off the street and saying, here put on these gloves and go fight it out.

[ThreeFingerPete]

To be honest, I have mixed feelings about kids that young getting into it. Kids are supposed to have fun and not hurt each other. I could see it as some sick fucking father trying to live out his childhood again through his son. A six year old should not know what it is like to be choked unconcious IMO. But then I am a father, I do love my son, and I don't want to see him hurt in any way. (or hurting anyone else.)

You're never required to be choked unconscious during training or a fight. You can walk away with the simple tap of a hand, and I'm certain that tapping is highly encouraged for children.

[avinson]

You're never required to be choked unconscious during training or a fight. You can walk away with the simple tap of a hand, and I'm certain that tapping is highly encouraged for children.


At that age they do not do full contact sparing at all. All they do is the basics and learn disipline as well.


I have my niece (turning 6 in 2 months) in Jui Jitsu and she loves it. Not only has she learned manners and discipline she is learning self defense as well and getting excercise. You guys have the total wrong idea of what they actually do with kids. You might want to go watch a class or two before you make judgement.

[Zinc_Stang]

WOW some of you are clueless.
Which ones are the clueless ones? :D

[Wario]

Which ones are the clueless ones? :D

If you have to ask...

[BlackSnake1996]

You don't think these kids are already doing this in an uncontrolled environment with their friends? Backyard wrestling, and fighting?

At least here it's a controlled environment, with martial arts based training, and rules. It's not like they are taking two kids off the street and saying, here put on these gloves and go fight it out.
I find it a little hard to believe you having this type of logic. Just because they might do it behind the backs of adults doesn't give them a license to practice in public. Much less to give them a place to practice or fulfill the indulgent.

MMA is a extreme sport that has but few rules. Giving kids the right or right away and or the knowledge to perform such acts as MMA is ridiculous and reckless. I would say that maturity plays a huge factor, and a 6 year old isn't even close. I would even go further to say that most 16 year olds are not mature enough.

I have spent a large amount of my life in the arts, and I have never experienced such recklessness as this. This is one of the very reasons as to why the adult classes are separated from the youth. The curriculum is completely different.

Think of it this way... The arts are making a human into a weapon, for say. Would you give your 6 year old a CHL. I think not.

I say, let the kids stay kids, and quit trying to make them what they are not.

[jwalk]

You do realize that MMA does not equal no holds barred fights, don't you?

Mixed Martial Arts, as in more than one kind, can be as simple as a school that teaches BJJ and Muay Tai or wrestling or boxing. If you took TKD and Karate you have MMA experience. I take Hapkido which encompasses strikes, kicks, locks, throws but it doesn't mean I am in bloody fights 3 nights a week. Nor are kids being given gloves and told to fight till someone is unconscious.

[BlackSnake1996]

You do realize that MMA does not equal no holds barred fights, don't you?

Mixed Martial Arts, as in more than one kind, can be as simple as a school that teaches BJJ and Muay Tai or wrestling or boxing. If you took TKD and Karate you have MMA experience. I take Hapkido which encompasses strikes, kicks, locks, throws but it doesn't mean I am in bloody fights 3 nights a week. Nor are kids being given gloves and told to fight till someone is unconscious.

Maybe then I need to be better educated on the MMA for kids. But if that is the case, then it has already existed for many years. Main difference may be that a take down is considered points, then brought back to your feet. But the fact that having different schools/arts fighting against each other is nothing new.

But for a child to actually put arm bars and such is still too much in my book. 6 years of age is way too young and is not developed enough to have those type of holds put on them. Further more, a 6 year old doesn't have the ability to judge whats too much pressure. Its hard enough for a adult to know.

So, when its said that we now have kids in MMA, it very well applies that they are way too involved in a sport that doesn't match up to their age.

Though MMA is "Mixed Martial Arts", (I very well understand what it stands for) it is still considered a extreme sport by reputation.

[wesman]

I find it a little hard to believe you having this type of logic. Just because they might do it behind the backs of adults doesn't give them a license to practice in public. Much less to give them a place to practice or fulfill the indulgent.

MMA is a extreme sport that has but few rules. Giving kids the right or right away and or the knowledge to perform such acts as MMA is ridiculous and reckless. I would say that maturity plays a huge factor, and a 6 year old isn't even close. I would even go further to say that most 16 year olds are not mature enough.

I have spent a large amount of my life in the arts, and I have never experienced such recklessness as this. This is one of the very reasons as to why the adult classes are separated from the youth. The curriculum is completely different.

Think of it this way... The arts are making a human into a weapon, for say. Would you give your 6 year old a CHL. I think not.

I say, let the kids stay kids, and quit trying to make them what they are not.


If I teach a kid the proper way to tackle because we're playing football, does that mean he's going to go tackle random people?

This is no different than what has always occurred in Karate, TKD etc. The classes are very structured and the kids learn what is taught to them, they practice it, and attempt to master it. It gives them interaction with other kids, teaches them discipline and all the other things that go with the arts.

--wes

[The Big Matt]

If I teach a kid the proper way to tackle because we're playing football, does that mean he's going to go tackle random people?

This is no different than what has always occurred in Karate, TKD etc. The classes are very structured and the kids learn what is taught to them, they practice it, and attempt to master it. It gives them interaction with other kids, teaches them discipline and all the other things that go with the arts.

--wes

Exactly...

These are classes, not "hey kids welcome to the gym, now start beating the shit out of eachother"

[The Big Matt]

Maybe then I need to be better educated on the MMA for kids. But if that is the case, then it has already existed for many years. Main difference may be that a take down is considered points, then brought back to your feet. But the fact that having different schools/arts fighting against each other is nothing new.

But for a child to actually put arm bars and such is still too much in my book. 6 years of age is way too young and is not developed enough to have those type of holds put on them. Further more, a 6 year old doesn't have the ability to judge whats too much pressure. Its hard enough for a adult to know.

So, when its said that we now have kids in MMA, it very well applies that they are way too involved in a sport that doesn't match up to their age.

Though MMA is "Mixed Martial Arts", (I very well understand what it stands for) it is still considered a extreme sport by reputation.

They said the same thing about Parker's American Kenpo. Do some research on an article called "overskill or overkill"

[Zinc_Stang]

If you have to ask...
Instead of calling people clueless why don't you state where you stand. That makes you clueless right? You are implying not stating.

[Zinc_Stang]

Kidds BJJ
http://www.ndbjj.com/multimedia_kids_bjj.htm

[BlackSnake1996]

If I teach a kid the proper way to tackle because we're playing football, does that mean he's going to go tackle random people?

This is no different than what has always occurred in Karate, TKD etc. The classes are very structured and the kids learn what is taught to them, they practice it, and attempt to master it. It gives them interaction with other kids, teaches them discipline and all the other things that go with the arts.

--wes
LOL. I wasnt even thinking about random acts. Made me laugh though. :p

[BlackSnake1996]

They said the same thing about Parker's American Kenpo. Do some research on an article called "overskill or overkill"

I'll see what I can find. Thanks.

Once Ed's Kenpo was established, wasn't the curriculum different for the youth and the adults. I was under the impression that he only had adult students for many years and then he and other schools under Parker began the wash down version of Kenpo for kids. Am I wrong?

[SSMAN]

You don't think these kids are already doing this in an uncontrolled environment with their friends? Backyard wrestling, and fighting?

At least here it's a controlled environment, with martial arts based training, and rules. It's not like they are taking two kids off the street and saying, here put on these gloves and go fight it out.

Can't knock what you are saying. I'm just saying there are some Dad's out there that would exploit their children. That part just does not seem right. They are kids and born very innocent. I just don't like to see that taken away from them at that early of an age. I am just a softy when it comes to kids. :o I am talking 12 years old and younger. 15-17 years old, not problem.

[avinson]

Good lord you guys seem to thing that a kid is going to turn deadly at the age of 6 lmfao. I watch the kids class at my gym everytime before i train. It's nothing like you guys are making it out to be. If you want you kids to live a sheltered life than go for it. But dont knock on something until you actually see what it does.