So what happens when

[Ylw 98~~SNAKE~~]

Someone does the unthinkable and takes a life? Does that person have the chance to be forgiven even though they did something that bad?

[flashstang04]

Someone does the unthinkable and takes a life? Does that person have the chance to be forgiven even though they did something that bad?


We are not told that we shouldn't defend ourselves. It is a state of the heart. The term "kill" in the 10 commandments is actually translated "murder".

Short answer is yes, someone can be forgiven for anything. Sin is sin is sin. Earthly consequences are..and should be different. But a lie separates you from God with sin the same as murder or anything else.

[Phillystang]

Someone does the unthinkable and takes a life? Does that person have the chance to be forgiven even though they did something that bad?
The Apostle Paul oversaw the killing of Christians before his conversion, no one is beyond saving because salvation is an act of God's grace on undeserving sinners.

[Casper]

Far worse would be to sanctify killing in the name of God.

[Mr Majestyk]

Far worse would be to sanctify killing in the name of God.

Like killing in the name of Allah?

[Casper]

Like killing in the name of Allah?

Or slaughtering babies in the name of Jehovah. Or even condoning it.

[flashstang04]

Or slaughtering babies in the name of Jehovah. Or even condoning it.


Or killing babies in the womb in the name of choice....(we could go on and on here)

[exlude]

Or killing babies in the womb in the name of choice....(we could go on and on here)

What religion is that?

[Denny]

What religion is that?
Liberalism

[flashstang04]

What religion is that?


A particular religion was not part of the original question..just forgiveness, which can be found in any religion. This is more a statement of human ethics though, as discussed in the other thread. Atheism is a religion in it's own right, whether it is thought so or not.


Religion:

a. Belief in and reverence for a supernatural power or powers regarded as creator and governor of the universe.
b. A personal or institutionalized system grounded in such belief and worship.
2. The life or condition of a person in a religious order.
3. A set of beliefs, values, and practices based on the teachings of a spiritual leader.
4. A cause, principle, or activity pursued with zeal or conscientious devotion.

I would say it falls under number 4.

[Casper]

A particular religion was not part of the original question..just forgiveness, which can be found in any religion. This is more a statement of human ethics though, as discussed in the other thread. Atheism is a religion in it's own right, whether it is thought so or not.


Religion:

a. Belief in and reverence for a supernatural power or powers regarded as creator and governor of the universe.
b. A personal or institutionalized system grounded in such belief and worship.
2. The life or condition of a person in a religious order.
3. A set of beliefs, values, and practices based on the teachings of a spiritual leader.
4. A cause, principle, or activity pursued with zeal or conscientious devotion.

I would say it falls under number 4.

I have no problem with that categorization of atheism on a general level, but to make the blanket statement that atheists condone abortion is unfounded and untrue.

To classify atheism as a religion on its own you have to find common tenets. The only one I know of is the dismissal as irrelavent of any hypothesis involving the supernatural. In fact it really is an anti-religion in that respect, if you consider the acceptance of supernatural phenomenin to be a requirement of religion.

Likewise I don't see the Dao as a religious work, even though some adherents of Bhuddism are religious by my definition (the ones who invoke the supernatural argument, which is not a requirement for bhuddism).

[flashstang04]

I have no problem with that categorization of atheism on a general level, but to make the blanket statement that atheists condone abortion is unfounded and untrue.

To classify atheism as a religion on its own you have to find common tenets. The only one I know of is the dismissal as irrelavent of any hypothesis involving the supernatural. In fact it really is an anti-religion in that respect, if you consider the acceptance of supernatural phenomenin to be a requirement of religion.

Likewise I don't see the Dao as a religious work, even though some adherents of Bhuddism are religious by my definition (the ones who invoke the supernatural argument, which is not a requirement for bhuddism).

I would never equate atheism with abortion. I was referring to forgiveness. Atheists can forgive as well.

[Casper]

But we don't have to :D

[flashstang04]

But we don't have to :D


Sometimes I envy that haha.... :cool:

[Casper]

BUt on the other hand I am concerned about my kids' approach to philosophy. Too many people I think remove organized religion or even all aspects of religion without thinking about the hole that can leave.

I almost got a copy of Price's "A Purpose Driven Life" at half price books, wish I had grabbed it when I saw it. Instead I ended up with a box full of hardcover, leather bound Louis L'amour books for $2.

[flashstang04]

BUt on the other hand I am concerned about my kids' approach to philosophy. Too many people I think remove organized religion or even all aspects of religion without thinking about the hole that can leave.

I almost got a copy of Price's "A Purpose Driven Life" at half price books, wish I had grabbed it when I saw it. Instead I ended up with a box full of hardcover, leather bound Louis L'amour books for $2.


You Rick Warrens book?

[Casper]

You Rick Warrens book?

I'm sorry, my mistake. Price's book was "A Reason Driven Life" and was in part a response to Warren's book.

I wish more secular writers had a style like Price. One thing I can't stand is the "rabid atheist" style, like DM Morris (Acharya S).