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Mustangman_2000
01-28-2008, 02:57 AM
Hillary Clinton got stomped in South Carolina with a record turnout.
And this all coinciding with Ted Kennedy's ringing endorsement of Obama. It's not looking good for the Clinton camp. This must be a bitter pill to swallow for ol' Hillary. All those years being close personal friends of the Kennedy's and they are now publicly endorsing Obama and espousing his beliefs. Ted Kennedy befriended her in the Senate and took on a mentor like role for her. It just shows you what a duplicitous and cut throat business politics is.
Either way, it's very disappointing as a Democrat to have these two individuals as our leading candidates. Super Tuesday is right around the corner. We'll have our answers at that time.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22854377/
The entire field sucks balls.
32VfromHell
01-28-2008, 03:25 AM
Hillary Clinton got stomped in South Carolina with a record turnout.
And this all coinciding with Ted Kennedy's ringing endorsement of Obama. It's not looking good for the Clinton camp. This must be a bitter pill to swallow for ol' Hillary. All those years being close personal friends of the Kennedy's and they are now publicly endorsing Obama and espousing his beliefs. Ted Kennedy befriended her in the Senate and took on a mentor like role for her. It just shows you what a duplicitous and cut throat business politics is.
Either way it's very disappointing as a Democrat to have these two individuals as our leading candidates. Super Tuesday is right around the corner. We'll have our answers at that time.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22854377/
Who do you see as a good democratic candidate? As a republican, i see both Hillary and Obama (more so him) as VERY formidable candidates. Obama has very good appeal to the middle and to those not fully aware of political platforms, which, lets face it, is a large majority of the voting public.
Mustangman_2000
01-28-2008, 06:26 AM
Who do you see as a good democratic candidate? As a republican, i see both Hillary and Obama (more so him) as VERY formidable candidates. Obama has very good appeal to the middle and to those not fully aware of political platforms, which, lets face it, is a large majority of the voting public.
Ideally, I would like to vote for a centrist Democrat. There are currently none on the slate.
Obama is pretty far left of center on most issues. Hillary is closer to the center, but I have my reservations regarding her as well.
Obama is being touted as a potential watershed moment in American political history. He's an intelligent and capable individual, but his position on certain key issues are too far to the left of center for my taste. He is considered a hard core liberal in some circles and most political quizzes regard him as such.
I'm looking for a moderate and not someone who holds an extreme view point on any issue.
Common sense, dispassionateness, and reason reside in the center of the diamond. I'm uncomfortable with anyone who is to far to the left, right, top, and bottom of that diamond.
I've voted Democrat since I was of legal voting age, but that might change in '08.
Mustangman_2000
01-28-2008, 06:28 AM
The entire field sucks balls.
Agreed.
Denny
01-28-2008, 06:47 AM
I agree. I would feel "safer" with Hillary in the office as opposed to Obama just for the fact of his extreme stances. Too farr right, left, or anywhere is never a good thing. Unfortunately, I don't see anything good coming out of either the Democratic OR Republican parties this time around. :( I somehow think it's going to be the Dem. candidate that wins this one, though. I think that candidate will be whichever one receives Edwards' endorsement as soon as he bows out, which leads me to believe Obama has it.
99MustangGT
01-28-2008, 06:50 AM
Who do you see as a good democratic candidate? As a republican, i see both Hillary and Obama (more so him) as VERY formidable candidates. Obama has very good appeal to the middle and to those not fully aware of political platforms, which, lets face it, is a large majority of the voting public.
I totally agree!
Vertnut
01-28-2008, 06:59 AM
The voting public are pretty much morons when it comes to issues and foreign policy. They fall for all the BS and photogenic appearances, more than the substance of the candidates. There's not one candidate I wish to be president, but because of her previous failure at revamping health-care, Hillary scares me the most. I see her as being very devisive on her "pet" issues ,and would try to ram them down folks' throats' just to show she could. I also believe the U.S. would lose respect and credibilty with a woman in power, especially with the middle-eastern countries. We all know how they feel about women in general...
Denny
01-28-2008, 07:03 AM
The voting public are pretty much morons when it comes to issues and foreign policy. They fall for all the BS and photogenic appearances, more than the substance of the candidates. There's not one candidate I wish to be president, but because of her previous failure at revamping health-care, Hillary scares me the most. I see her as being very devisive on her "pet" issues ,and would try to ram them down folks' throats' just to show she could. I also believe the U.S. would lose respect and credibilty with a woman in power, especially with the middle-eastern countries. We all know how they feel about women in general...
If you think about it, she'd be a safe bet. Her health care ideas would never get passed and most other things would get bounced around for the duration of her short term. Not much would happen.
The glass is 1/2 full with her ;)
Vertnut
01-28-2008, 07:05 AM
If you think about it, she'd be a safe bet. Her health care ideas would never get passed and most other things would get bounced around for the duration of her short term. Not much would happen.
The glass is 1/2 full with her ;)
You're probably right, Denny. Nothing would get done for four years. I guess a little stagnation wouldn't be all bad.
I also believe the U.S. would lose respect and credibilty with a woman in power, especially with the middle-eastern countries.
Sad but true, a lot of people don't want to admit it but the middle east does have a very heavy influence over our monetary policy. If they stopped buying up our banks or unplugged the USD from their oil we would be screwed beyond belief. They are already starting to squeeze us because of our plummeting currency and massive debt. If Clinton came to the table and asked them to increase the oil supply to lower prices they would probably all walk away.
32VfromHell
01-30-2008, 12:56 AM
Ideally, I would like to vote for a centrist Democrat. There are currently none on the slate.
Obama is pretty far left of center on most issues. Hillary is closer to the center, but I have my reservations regarding her as well.
Obama is being touted as a potential watershed moment in American political history. He's an intelligent and capable individual, but his position on certain key issues are too far to the left of center for my taste. He is considered a hard core liberal in some circles and most political quizzes regard him as such.
I'm looking for a moderate and not someone who holds an extreme view point on any issue.
Common sense, dispassionateness, and reason reside in the center of the diamond. I'm uncomfortable with anyone who is to far to the left, right, top, and bottom of that diamond.
I've voted Democrat since I was of legal voting age, but that might change in '08.
its good that you vote platforms/positions and not parties. I cant remember the last presidential election, but i know i didnt just straight ticket the thing.
Was there a centrist candidate for the D's worth a lick this time? The only one i can think of is sort of Edwards, and he is pretty shallow when it comes to deep ideas behind his "two americas" discussion.
Mustangman_2000
01-30-2008, 09:03 AM
its good that you vote platforms/positions and not parties. I cant remember the last presidential election, but i know i didnt just straight ticket the thing.
Was there a centrist candidate for the D's worth a lick this time? The only one i can think of is sort of Edwards, and he is pretty shallow when it comes to deep ideas behind his "two americas" discussion.
I don't believe there was a true centrist Democrat in the '08 Campaign. Hillary Clinton markets herself as a "centrist", but she's still a little left of center.
I'm sure people will disagree with me, but I think the last centrist Democrat we had was Bill Clinton. There are still a few remaining centrists Democrats like Ben Nelson from Nebraska. However, they are growing more scarce. The same dynamic is happening to the Republicans as well. Not a Reagan Republican in the bunch.
Fox466
01-30-2008, 09:14 AM
If you think about it, she'd be a safe bet. Her health care ideas would never get passed and most other things would get bounced around for the duration of her short term. Not much would happen.
The glass is 1/2 full with her ;)
I'm not sure that I agree with this, as the democratic party is already in control. Add billary to the mix and they should be able to do as they please, for a period at least...
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