My letter to the City of Arlington regarding illegal immigrants, and their reply

[5.0_CJ]

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From: C.J. Shull [mailto:cjshull@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 1:27 PM
To: Robert Cluck
Subject: Concerned citizens in regards to illegal immigration



Dear Mr. Mayor,

Recently I have noticed a large increase in the amount of illegal immigrants loitering along S. Cooper St. Primarily between Arkansas Ln. and Arbrook Blvd. It appears several businesses have been able to remove them from their property, but they just relocate to another business or vacant lot. I have witnessed the largest amount directly on the Johnson Cemetery property. Wherever they are loitering there is a rapid dilapidation of the property and the image of the city. I personally refuse to patron any businesses within this area. I'm aware that failure to produce identification is a crime, and I don't see how an illegal immigrant would be able to produce any legal identification - thereby allowing officers to pick up these criminals and remove them from our streets. What is Arlington's stance on this growing problem? It has become increasingly worse within the last 5 years and I honestly have never seen a police officer intervening in any of these locations. This is a primary concern for myself as is it is for other citizens. I cannot imagine a just excuse for why this is not being addressed. These people were not on Cooper st. 5 years ago, and they should not be now. Please take care of this problem - I'm ashamed to live in a city which exercises apathy for this problem.


Sincerely,
C.J. Shull




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Mr. C.J. Shull,



First of all, let me introduce myself, I am Carolyn Allen and I am the newly assigned Deputy Police Chief for the West Patrol District. This area along Cooper St. that you mention in this e-mail is within West Patrol. The West Patrol District has been working directly with several of the businesses along S. Cooper Street to address Criminal Trespass Issues. They held several meetings last year and set up protocols with the businesses to contact the Police when they wanted to issue a Criminal Trespass Warning. It is important to know that it is the responsibility of the business to contact the Police regarding people whom they wish to issue a criminal trespass or if they have issued a criminal trespass warning already and no longer want the person or persons on the property. If they have issued a criminal trespass warning and the person returns to the property, we are authorized to make an arrest. Otherwise, the police department does not have the right to prohibit anyone from patronizing any local business.



There has been discussions of a variety of long term solutions, including creating exclusionary zones or a day laborer center, but there are complicated legal obstacles that don't make those feasible options at this time. There have also been discussions of options concerning temporary employment agencies to funnel these workers into their facilities.



Unfortunately, this problem will not go away with aggressive patrol tactics alone. We will continue in our partnerships with the businesses along S. Cooper and work directly with those businesses about their concerns. We will continue to monitor this area and address issues as needed.





Carolyn Allen, Deputy Chief

Arlington Police Department

West Patrol District

817-459-6042

carolyn.allen@arlingtontx.gov



Working Together to Make Arlington Better


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Can you fucking believe that shit. They want to build a day laborer center.. spend my tax dollars to cater to their crime. I can't believe this shit.

[AL P]

That's a lot of bullshit.

[Strychnine]

Glad I live off of north Cooper!


The Race-Trac down there is ridiculous in the mornings. It would be like shooting fish in a barrel, if anyone cared enough to do anything about it.

[bcoop]

Glad I don't live in Arlington. :D

[01WhiteCobra]

Day labor camp cleaned up Plano's problem.

Also, its alot of fun. I take the truck down there. Signal for 5 dudes... they run to jump in the truck and I take off before they do. Then I stop, laugh and wave for them and they do it again while I haul ass away.

Fun shit.

[paul_376]

Most Mexicans are cool people
like the one on this board Fred

[01WhiteCobra]

Most Mexicans are cool people
like the one on this board Fred

Fred's bored?

[paul_376]

Fred's bored?


LMFAOOO

[Muffrazr]

Yeah, that is a load of horseshit. I beleive your e-mail and response should be handed over to your local news station along with your feelings.

[AL P]

Day labor camp cleaned up Plano's problem.

Also, its alot of fun. I take the truck down there. Signal for 5 dudes... they run to jump in the truck and I take off before they do. Then I stop, laugh and wave for them and they do it again while I haul ass away.

Fun shit.

My method is better. I let them get in and then see how far I can go before they want out. Oklahoma City is my personal record.

[Somewhere in Time]

Good job on the letter man. Glad you are a fellow Arlington resident.

[01WhiteCobra]

My method is better. I let them get in and then see how far I can go before they want out. Oklahoma City is my personal record.

I thought about loading up a few and driving over to the Immigration Office.

[5.0_CJ]

My method is better. I let them get in and then see how far I can go before they want out. Oklahoma City is my personal record.

fuck that, I'd let them in and drive them to the local immigration office.

[5.0_CJ]

Good job on the letter man. Glad you are a fellow Arlington resident.

take some time to go to their page and write your own. They forwarded mine throughout city council, maybe it will do some good.

[gip99drop]

There not going to do anything, same as Farmers Branch.

[paul_376]

I thought about loading up a few and driving over to the Immigration Office.


repost

[5.0_CJ]

There not going to do anything, same as Farmers Branch.

farmer's branch just signed a new law into effect that effectively eliminates the illegal immigrants from living in the city, it should take care of the problem in due time. Farmers branch is by FAR the most proactive city on this problem in my opinion.

[bcoop]

There not going to do anything, same as Farmers Branch.



Farmers Branch had good ideas, they just sucked terribly in how they went about it.


Irving's doing something about it, and has been for over a year now. They haven't made national news just yet, but it did hit statewide news a couple months ago. Only because Irving ISD's Superintendent is a fucking moron. :mad:

[5.0_CJ]

Farmers Branch had good ideas, they just sucked terribly in how they went about it.


Irving's doing something about it, and has been for over a year now. They haven't made national news just yet, but it did hit statewide news a couple months ago. Only because Irving ISD's Superintendent is a fucking moron. :mad:

I retract my previous statement, Irving is certainly being more proactive.

[staticX]

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From: C.J. Shull [mailto:cjshull@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 1:27 PM
To: Robert Cluck
Subject: Concerned citizens in regards to illegal immigration



Dear Mr. Mayor,

Recently I have noticed a large increase in the amount of illegal immigrants loitering along S. Cooper St. Primarily between Arkansas Ln. and Arbrook Blvd. It appears several businesses have been able to remove them from their property, but they just relocate to another business or vacant lot. I have witnessed the largest amount directly on the Johnson Cemetery property. Wherever they are loitering there is a rapid dilapidation of the property and the image of the city. I personally refuse to patron any businesses within this area. I'm aware that failure to produce identification is a crime, and I don't see how an illegal immigrant would be able to produce any legal identification - thereby allowing officers to pick up these criminals and remove them from our streets. What is Arlington's stance on this growing problem? It has become increasingly worse within the last 5 years and I honestly have never seen a police officer intervening in any of these locations. This is a primary concern for myself as is it is for other citizens. I cannot imagine a just excuse for why this is not being addressed. These people were not on Cooper st. 5 years ago, and they should not be now. Please take care of this problem - I'm ashamed to live in a city which exercises apathy for this problem.


Sincerely,
C.J. Shull




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Mr. C.J. Shull,



First of all, let me introduce myself, I am Carolyn Allen and I am the newly assigned Deputy Police Chief for the West Patrol District. This area along Cooper St. that you mention in this e-mail is within West Patrol. The West Patrol District has been working directly with several of the businesses along S. Cooper Street to address Criminal Trespass Issues. They held several meetings last year and set up protocols with the businesses to contact the Police when they wanted to issue a Criminal Trespass Warning. It is important to know that it is the responsibility of the business to contact the Police regarding people whom they wish to issue a criminal trespass or if they have issued a criminal trespass warning already and no longer want the person or persons on the property. If they have issued a criminal trespass warning and the person returns to the property, we are authorized to make an arrest. Otherwise, the police department does not have the right to prohibit anyone from patronizing any local business.



There has been discussions of a variety of long term solutions, including creating exclusionary zones or a day laborer center, but there are complicated legal obstacles that don't make those feasible options at this time. There have also been discussions of options concerning temporary employment agencies to funnel these workers into their facilities.



Unfortunately, this problem will not go away with aggressive patrol tactics alone. We will continue in our partnerships with the businesses along S. Cooper and work directly with those businesses about their concerns. We will continue to monitor this area and address issues as needed.





Carolyn Allen, Deputy Chief

Arlington Police Department

West Patrol District

817-459-6042

carolyn.allen@arlingtontx.gov



Working Together to Make Arlington Better


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Can you fucking believe that shit. They want to build a day laborer center.. spend my tax dollars to cater to their crime. I can't believe this shit.


I would write back asking if they know their illegals around that area why are they not arresting them?

[TexasDevilDog]

Tell them.

Helping, harboring or aiding an illegal alien is against federal law.

[Johnny]

farmer's branch just signed a new law into effect that effectively eliminates the illegal immigrants from living in the city, it should take care of the problem in due time. Farmers branch is by FAR the most proactive city on this problem in my opinion.

yea they also hired a bunch of illegals to put up xmas decorations all over town after it was signed... :rolleyes: . I know a few guys who put them up hahahaha

[Zarathustra]

Sounds pretty much exactly like the attitude toward black people in the early 50's. What's so wrong with Mexican people? What have they done to you to force you not to 'patron' businesses in the area? Racism is strong in your arguments/letter. What if these people are white and affluent, but followed the mannerisms of the mexicans exactly? Or was it just their brown skin you didn't like? Racism, bigotry, intolerance, and ethnocentricism will never get you anywhere, we've already learned lessons from this in the past. MLK Jr. would turn over in his grave...

[Nestromo]

It's not the Mexican part, it is the Illegal part.

Where I work we have had employees get deported only to be re-hired with a different SS# and name. Now you tell me how in the hell that is the right way to do things.

[Fordboy91]

yea they also hired a bunch of illegals to put up xmas decorations all over town after it was signed... :rolleyes: . I know a few guys who put them up hahahaha


wow, very pro-cative. But first let them get them get all the cheap labor they can get first. They don't want to have to pay regular labor rates to any of the citizens that are legal!

[Fordboy91]

BTW, the reason they don't regularly look for illegals that are loitering is because it isn't like they stay in jail, they get let go soon after, they go right back to where they were. They might as well have an assembly line of cops running to that spot to pick them up again and again. They are not going to tie themselves up like that. They are too busy looking for speeding mustangs to pull over.

[Zarathustra]

There's no way to prove, upon first glance, that these guys are illegal. So, in retrospect, the racism is strong here because of the automatic assumption that these people are all illegal. Just because they're mexican, or look mexican, doesn't mean they're necessarily illegal, right?

[Nestromo]

There's no way to prove, upon first glance, that these guys are illegal. So, in retrospect, the racism is strong here because of the automatic assumption that these people are all illegal. Just because they're mexican, or look mexican, doesn't mean they're necessarily illegal, right?

I see your point, but I think it is pretty obvious.

[Fordboy91]

There's no way to prove, upon first glance, that these guys are illegal. So, in retrospect, the racism is strong here because of the automatic assumption that these people are all illegal. Just because they're mexican, or look mexican, doesn't mean they're necessarily illegal, right?



Yup. Like George Lopez!

[JP135]

Sounds pretty much exactly like the attitude toward black people in the early 50's. What's so wrong with Mexican people? What have they done to you to force you not to 'patron' businesses in the area? Racism is strong in your arguments/letter. What if these people are white and affluent, but followed the mannerisms of the mexicans exactly? Or was it just their brown skin you didn't like? Racism, bigotry, intolerance, and ethnocentricism will never get you anywhere, we've already learned lessons from this in the past. MLK Jr. would turn over in his grave...

Maybe YOU'RE the biggot; assuming everyone else is a racist.

You're also a self-important, misguided imbecile.

[Zarathustra]

But how? Prejudging someone based on outward appearance went out the window decades ago, and tolerance of different origins of people, regardless of legal status, flew back in. This is a telltale sign of transcultural retardation inherent in those who lack significant amounts of intelligence. I can't say I'm surprised somebody like CJ, who has a general disdain for wisdom, practical knowledge, and the truth, would actually write a letter to the police department, but I AM surprised nobody said anything about it before me, this just isn't right.

Or am I just completely wrong and I should tolerate intolerance, turn a blind eye to racist bigotry, and agree with you guys. I have the tendency to be a bit more of a humanitarian when it comes to issues such as this.

These people are on earth, regardless of geopolitical topographical location, and they have the right to stand wherever they want, just as CJ has the right to spew his douchisms...

[Nestromo]

Just because I'm 79lbs, have rashes all over me, a burn on my lip and I'm bouncing off the fuckin walls and chasing invisible bats at 4:30 AM doesn't mean I'm a skitzer.

[Zarathustra]

Maybe YOU'RE the biggot; assuming everyone else is a racist.

You're also a self-important, misguided imbecile.

Misguided, huh? hahahaha, that's good.

The first line of that post made absolutely no sense, and only further proves your incompetence when it come to analyzing complex problems. Go on child, play in your ignorance and your dangerously low level of awareness. Ignorance is bliss...

[Slowhand]

Sounds pretty much exactly like the attitude toward black people in the early 50's. What's so wrong with Mexican people? What have they done to you to force you not to 'patron' businesses in the area? Racism is strong in your arguments/letter. What if these people are white and affluent, but followed the mannerisms of the mexicans exactly? Or was it just their brown skin you didn't like? Racism, bigotry, intolerance, and ethnocentricism will never get you anywhere, we've already learned lessons from this in the past. MLK Jr. would turn over in his grave...

THUS SPOKE ZARATHUSTRA!

:rolleyes:

[Zarathustra]

Just because I'm 79lbs, have rashes all over me, a burn on my lip and I'm bouncing off the fuckin walls and chasing invisible bats at 4:30 AM doesn't mean I'm a skitzer.

Truism, you could be a crackhead, or use PCP, ketamine, LSD or other drugs. Not only meth keeps you up and has you see shit, burns your lips and makes you lose weight. Again, outward appearance tells nothing of ones legal status...

[Zarathustra]

THUS SPOKE ZARATHUSTRA!

:rolleyes:


;)

[Nestromo]

Truism, you could be a crackhead, or use PCP, ketamine, LSD or other drugs. Not only meth keeps you up and has you see shit, burns your lips and makes you lose weight. Again, outward appearance tells nothing of ones legal status...

Last time INS busted up the factory where I work there were mexicans running out of every escape route. The ones that didn't get away were checked. They didn't check the white guys. Wrong? Maybe. Effective? Yes. Like I said though half of them are back with fresh SS#s. Hell, one of them might be using YOUR social security number!

[Slowhand]

There's no way to prove, upon first glance, that these guys are illegal. So, in retrospect, the racism is strong here because of the automatic assumption that these people are all illegal. Just because they're mexican, or look mexican, doesn't mean they're necessarily illegal, right?

Shit, I'm for making sure that everyone is here legally, regardless of race.

Let's just start methodically with the non-english speaking members of the country that resides directly beneath Texas where most of the illegal immigrants come from. Then we can continue with the English speaking whities and English speaking (kind of) Black people.

[Zarathustra]

Last time INS busted up the factory where I work there were mexicans running out of every escape route. The ones that didn't get away were checked. They didn't check the white guys. Wrong? Maybe. Effective? Yes. Like I said though half of them are back with fresh SS#s. Hell, one of them might be using YOUR social security number!

Seems to me the problem lies with the employers themselves. If they don't work, then they stand around CJ's house. Catch 22. I'm glad you said that, because therein lies the actual problem, only the bigot who holds racist values and ethnocentric outlooks turns to intolerance for their release, or their solution to the problem.

[Nestromo]

Shit, I'm for making sure that everyone is here legally, regardless of race.

Let's just start methodically with the non-english speaking members of the country that resides directly beneath Texas where most of the illegal immigrants come from. Then we can continue with the English speaking whities and English speaking (kind of) Black people.


Uhhh..... By "Kind Of" I sure hope you meant the ones from other non english speaking countries...

[Zarathustra]

Shit, I'm for making sure that everyone is here legally, regardless of race.

Let's just start methodically with the non-english speaking members of the country that resides directly beneath Texas where most of the illegal immigrants come from. Then we can continue with the English speaking whities and English speaking (kind of) Black people.

Yea, well that country directly below Texas is about to be part of this country, you just wait... The North American Union is not far off...Maybe they should call it Oceania...

Chinese goods will necessitate a new superhighway path to be carved through mexico from the pacific coast all the way into Texas like an aorta for chinese imports. The government will never move to curb or stop the migration of mexicans into this country, they know better than that. The border between texas and mexico has all but disappeared, and it's definitely not going to change anytime soon.

[Zarathustra]

Uhhh..... By "Kind Of" I sure hope you meant the ones from other non english speaking countries...

You'll have to excuse him, he's 'kind of' 12.

[5.0_CJ]

There's no way to prove, upon first glance, that these guys are illegal. So, in retrospect, the racism is strong here because of the automatic assumption that these people are all illegal. Just because they're mexican, or look mexican, doesn't mean they're necessarily illegal, right?

there you go again, the innocent illegal aliens... Ridiculous, good job patriot - you fucking joke. Such a broken record... you want to disagree with any statement not because you think you're right, but because you want to get attention. Go smoke some pot - escape from reality.

[Nestromo]

there you go again, the innocent illegal aliens... Ridiculous, good job patriot - you fucking joke.

Looks like a duck, acts like a duck, doesn't speak English... like a duck, then it is probably a duck.

[Paladin]

My method is better. I let them get in and then see how far I can go before they want out. Oklahoma City is my personal record.


LMAO. Have you seen the video of the guy who did that and drove to the Federal Building where INS was located and got out and started yelling to the INS that he had some illegals in his truck. Very funny!

[Sean88gt]

Can we please just create a season for these fuckers, throw an extra $45 on the tag, set a bag limit of 9-12 and let us cure the problem??

[Paladin]

Can you fucking believe that shit. They want to build a day laborer center.. spend my tax dollars to cater to their crime. I can't believe this shit.

I can't believe they completely ignored the illegal alien question.


Well, yes I can. They will never admit that they will not ever arrest anyone solely based upon their illegal immigration status. Just like no PD that refuses to arrest illegals will not either.

[5.0_CJ]

But how? Prejudging someone based on outward appearance went out the window decades ago, and tolerance of different origins of people, regardless of legal status, flew back in. This is a telltale sign of transcultural retardation inherent in those who lack significant amounts of intelligence. I can't say I'm surprised somebody like CJ, who has a general disdain for wisdom, practical knowledge, and the truth, would actually write a letter to the police department, but I AM surprised nobody said anything about it before me, this just isn't right.

Or am I just completely wrong and I should tolerate intolerance, turn a blind eye to racist bigotry, and agree with you guys. I have the tendency to be a bit more of a humanitarian when it comes to issues such as this.

These people are on earth, regardless of geopolitical topographical location, and they have the right to stand wherever they want, just as CJ has the right to spew his douchisms...

They have NO rights, get it through your peanut head. If you are NOT a legal citizen, you do NOT have the right to free speech, you do NOT have the right to live here, you have NO rights at all. Do you not understand that? Why do you libs not understand that? People don't sit on the side of the road waiting for work because they are legal citizens, they do it because they are illegal -quit the stupid pandering and bullshit and use the brain you claim to have. You argue like a child, it's disgusting.

[Nestromo]

I can't believe they completely ignored the illegal alien question.


Well, yes I can. They will never admit that they will not ever arrest anyone solely based upon their illegal immigration status. Just like no PD that refuses to arrest illegals will not either.

What will your department allow you to do when you pull over a truckload of illegals (assuming that one is driving)?

[5.0_CJ]

What will your department allow you to do when you pull over a truckload of illegals (assuming that one is driving)?

request legal identification. When they can't produce it, arrest them for failure to identify, deport.

[5.0_CJ]

Yea, well that country directly below Texas is about to be part of this country, you just wait... The North American Union is not far off...Maybe they should call it Oceania...

Chinese goods will necessitate a new superhighway path to be carved through mexico from the pacific coast all the way into Texas like an aorta for chinese imports. The government will never move to curb or stop the migration of mexicans into this country, they know better than that. The border between texas and mexico has all but disappeared, and it's definitely not going to change anytime soon.

this is why you're a cockroach. Let me summarize your mentality:

"Oh well, fuck it"

nice "american". What a joke - you little parasite.

[Paladin]

But how? Prejudging someone based on outward appearance went out the window decades ago, and tolerance of different origins of people, regardless of legal status, flew back in. This is a telltale sign of transcultural retardation inherent in those who lack significant amounts of intelligence. I can't say I'm surprised somebody like CJ, who has a general disdain for wisdom, practical knowledge, and the truth, would actually write a letter to the police department, but I AM surprised nobody said anything about it before me, this just isn't right.

Or am I just completely wrong and I should tolerate intolerance, turn a blind eye to racist bigotry, and agree with you guys. I have the tendency to be a bit more of a humanitarian when it comes to issues such as this.

These people are on earth, regardless of geopolitical topographical location, and they have the right to stand wherever they want, just as CJ has the right to spew his douchisms...

It has been documented that people who hang out at known locations where day laborers can find work are overwhelmingly illegal immigrants.

Once again idiot, this is an illegal immigrant issue, not a race issue. Except for you of course. :cool:

The solution is to get a day labor center for documneted workers and make it a city ordinance that picking up people for work or people hanging out at non-apporved locations to try and find work is a violation. Then you issue citations to the American citizens who violate the law, and arrest and hold for INS all the illegal immigrants you find there. Just like you would for any other violation of the law. You arrest the illegals for the violation (the city ordinance violation in this case but also for any law violation), then place a hold on them for INS to come pick up.

[Paladin]

Truism, you could be a crackhead, or use PCP, ketamine, LSD or other drugs. Not only meth keeps you up and has you see shit, burns your lips and makes you lose weight. Again, outward appearance tells nothing of ones legal status...

Once again, there is much more than outward appearance in this instance. The persons actions are taken into account.

[Paladin]

What will your department allow you to do when you pull over a truckload of illegals (assuming that one is driving)?

I would rahter not get too much into my departments policy, but I doubt any illegal found in a truck would be arrested. If it got high profile media coverage or they were in poor health, then those factors would be taken into account. ICE may get involved, but not for sure.

Arrest and holding them for ICE would be the LAST resort decision made by any of our upper level leaders.

[5.0_CJ]

I can't say I'm surprised somebody like CJ, who has a general disdain for wisdom, practical knowledge, and the truth, would actually write a letter to the police department, but I AM surprised nobody said anything about it before me, this just isn't right.



Zarathustra I'm a member of mensa. I'm a certified genius. Shit, even on the entry test I had a perfect score for spatial reasoning - the only one in the tarrant county mensa chapter to do it. I'll invite you over to my house to come see the cute little certificate and allow you to actually converse with someone which is almost certainly of a higher intelligence. And i'm not pandering to insult you, it's most certainly true. You love to throw around big words and elitist statements, demeaning other forum members, and the funny thing is I really don't find you to be as open minded as you claim, whatsoever. You've finally push me to the point where I have to literally tell you you're an idiot.

[Cammin4V]

They have NO rights, get it through your peanut head. If you are NOT a legal citizen, you do NOT have the right to free speech, you do NOT have the right to live here, you have NO rights at all. Do you not understand that? Why do you libs not understand that? People don't sit on the side of the road waiting for work because they are legal citizens, they do it because they are illegal -quit the stupid pandering and bullshit and use the brain you claim to have. You argue like a child, it's disgusting.
exactly!

If all the cheap bastards would stop using the illegals for cheap labor, and start paying legal citizens, they would leave.

[Nestromo]

I would rahter not get too much into my departments policy, but I doubt any illegal found in a truck would be arrested. If it got high profile media coverage or they were in poor health, then those factors would be taken into account. ICE may get involved, but not for sure.

Arrest and holding them for ICE would be the LAST resort decision made by any of our upper level leaders.

Oh no sorry, I didn't mean that kind of truckload.. more like an '89 F350 with 8 undocumented workers in it. ;)

[mikeb]

These people are on earth, regardless of geopolitical topographical location, and they have the right to stand wherever they want, just as CJ has the right to spew his douchisms...

If they are here illegally they certainly do not have the right to be anywhere on US soil. Instead of understanding this simple concept you and many other people choose to play the race card.

I believe that the answer to this issue is a well run guest worker program. The program should document every non US citizen here to work, with time limits. After the time limit expires, the worker must leave, and their employer will be held responsible if they do not leave. The program must have a component where employers can verify guest worker status. Employers caught using illegal labor that were not verified thru the guest worker status verification program should face significant jail time or fines, or loss of business license. Guest workers caught here that are not enrolled in the guest worker program get immediately kicked out with no possibility of ever joining the program in the future. They get caught here again and they go to jail for a long time. Employers using guest workers from this program should be required to carry health insurance on the worker and his family meeting minimum guidelines, and should pay school taxes or a special assessment to help support the cost of educating a guest worker's children. Additionally, the employer should be required to arrange for transportation for his workers to the job site to avoid illegals driving with no insurance and no driver's license. If an illegal is caught breaking the law, they are kicked out and have no possibility of being a guest worker again. This includes driving with no license or insurance.

The carrot and the stick. It works every time. The above program would be more than fair to the guest workers, and would make their employers shoulder some of the social burden they will bring here.

[Paladin]

Oh no sorry, I didn't mean that kind of truckload.. more like an '89 F350 with 8 undocumented workers in it. ;)

Not much different. We basically only arrest and hold for ICE people who have committed other crimes.

I have recently pulled over people in very similar situations you describe and they are released by policy. It is not uncommon for illegals to openly admit their status and make no attempt to hide it. I have heard it is starting to be less common and open, but it still happens. I think the media attention has had some affect on this since it appears the tide is finally turning against the idiots like zurethra and his ilk who think illegal immigration is a racial issue instead of an illegal issue.

[Nestromo]

Zarathustra I'm a member of mensa. I'm a certified genius. Shit, even on the entry test I had a perfect score for spatial reasoning - the only one in the tarrant county mensa chapter to do it. I'll invite you over to my house to come see the cute little certificate and allow you to actually converse with someone which is almost certainly of a higher intelligence. And i'm not pandering to insult you, it's most certainly true. You love to throw around big words and elitist statements, demeaning other forum members, and the funny thing is I really don't find you to be as open minded as you claim, whatsoever. You've finally push me to the point where I have to literally tell you you're an idiot.

I like it when he says things like...

...telltale sign of transcultural retardation...
Or am I just completely wrong and I should tolerate intolerance... That is a good one. I AM COMPLETELY INTOLERANT OF INTOLERANCE!
These people are on earth, regardless of geopolitical topographical location...
...racist values and ethnocentric outlooks turns to intolerance for their release...
:D

[5.0_CJ]

If they are here illegally they certainly do not have the right to be anywhere on US soil. Instead of understanding this simple concept you and many other people choose to play the race card.

I believe that the answer to this issue is a well run guest worker program. The program should document every non US citizen here to work, with time limits. After the time limit expires, the worker must leave, and their employer will be held responsible if they do not leave. The program must have a component where employers can verify guest worker status. Employers caught using illegal labor that were not verified thru the guest worker status verification program should face significant jail time or fines, or loss of business license. Guest workers caught here that are not enrolled in the guest worker program get immediately kicked out with no possibility of ever joining the program in the future. They get caught here again and they go to jail for a long time. Employers using guest workers from this program should be required to carry health insurance on the worker and his family meeting minimum guidelines, and should pay school taxes or a special assessment to help support the cost of educating a guest worker's children. Additionally, the employer should be required to arrange for transportation for his workers to the job site to avoid illegals driving with no insurance and no driver's license. If an illegal is caught breaking the law, they are kicked out and have no possibility of being a guest worker again. This includes driving with no license or insurance.

The carrot and the stick. It works every time. The above program would be more than fair to the guest workers, and would make their employers shoulder some of the social burden they will bring here.
Hey mike, sporting a new motor now? (avatar)

See, he just doesn't understand the world. He doesnt understand that our constition states "We the people of the united states of america" Meaning, the citizens. He believes that every person has these rights, but they don't. Our soldiers fought for these rights, and the benefit of them is being a citizen. You don't just march into this country as a criminal, spawn offspring, and steal money from our government by not paying taxes, and then childen like zara come in here, and speak up for them. He does not understand the fundamentals of our country - he just doesn't.

My arguments are air tight because they are correct, and based on our constitution. The only way for him to continue a lie, is to attempt to discredit me by throwing in the race card. It's unforunate that I'm not racist at all, because it would make it easier on him. I simply can't be against illegal immigration if I'm not racist. If you're against illegal immigration, he will immediate tag you as racist, it's the only way to steer his lie. It's as simple and childish as that.

At UTA we have political lectures and debates. One evening, I had a debate with the UTA democratic student club. They brought case law documents. And I brought the constitution in full print. The debate consisted of them citing case law, and me citing the constitution - the supreme law of the land. It was pretty embarrassingly one sided.

[Nestromo]

Not much different. We basically only arrest and hold for ICE people who have committed other crimes.

I have recently pulled over people in very similar situations you describe and they are released by policy. It is not uncommon for illegals to openly admit their status and make no attempt to hide it. I have heard it is starting to be less common and open, but it still happens. I think the media attention has had some affect on this since it appears the tide is finally turning against the idiots like zurethra and his ilk who think illegal immigration is a racial issue instead of an illegal issue.

So what do they do down on the border? Once they are here they just say "Welcome to this lovely piniata we call the U.S.A. Please, feel free to beat her until all of the goodies fall out."?

[Nestromo]

You don't just march into this country as a criminal, spawn offspring, and steal money from our government by not paying taxes...

Yes you do.

[5.0_CJ]

Yes you do.

Haha, well.. if Zara had a say, they'd be welcomed. If I did, they'd be in containers at the seaport. It is simply the law of the land, people just won't enforce it. Disgusting. Once I finish my masters I will be running for local municipal positions, most likely as comptroller since I have finance and accounting background. And hopefully, maybe someday I will be in a position of influence.

[mikeb]

Hey mike, sporting a new motor now? (avatar)


Nah, same motor but I did just swap on some better heads. I'm hoping for some 6's now :)

Get out of here with that constitution stuff - you know the constitution and rule of law are not politically correct concepts anymore!

I'd like to see mr. "Z" go down to mexico and claim rights to stand illegally on a mexican street corner, and see what he thinks when they introduce the mexican constitution and law to him. We have the more relaxed imigration law and still somehow come out on the "blame" side :confused:

[Mustangman_2000]

I wrote a similar letter to the City of Lewisville about little Mexico i.e. Huffines Plaza. Those dudes are so aggressive over there they will jump in back of your truck without any solicitation on your part. It's almost surrealistic to see how bad that particular area has become.

I too received a similar response that acknowledged the problem, but didn't really offer a definitive explanation to address it. It was a wonderful discourse in legalese that basically says (my translation) that we "unofficially" turn a blind eye to the situation.

[Nestromo]

Yeah but pay your taxes and work legaly every day and try sparkin one up in public and see what happens. :mad:

[Mr Majestyk]

Nice to see that another country, Egypt, is now having to deal with illegals crossing their border at will from Gaza. You'd think they'd welcome their less-fortunate Islamic brethren wouldn't you? :D

[Muffrazr]

Armand, I'm kind of surprised that you are taking the stance of supporting illegal immigrants. Especially seeing as your family owns a business with a few locations. However, I would imagine they provide a substantial amount of your profits, so maybe that's why.

I am in a similar situation, family business, but ours does not cater to this type of customer. The increase of illegals have caused a spike in how much we pay in for different taxes in order to cover the cost of them getting better care of all kinds than most U.S. citizens.

I have stated in the past that I would have no problem with any person to come over to this country legally, with an education that allows them to efficiently work in our employment system, and pay their own taxes in order to benefit the country. The fact that they are here illegally states just that, illegal. That is the problem we have, not a race related one.

[Kart21]

Need to be more like Irving / Farmers Branch :)

[AL P]

But how? Prejudging someone based on outward appearance went out the window decades ago, and tolerance of different origins of people, regardless of legal status, flew back in. This is a telltale sign of transcultural retardation inherent in those who lack significant amounts of intelligence. I can't say I'm surprised somebody like CJ, who has a general disdain for wisdom, practical knowledge, and the truth, would actually write a letter to the police department, but I AM surprised nobody said anything about it before me, this just isn't right.

Or am I just completely wrong and I should tolerate intolerance, turn a blind eye to racist bigotry, and agree with you guys. I have the tendency to be a bit more of a humanitarian when it comes to issues such as this.

These people are on earth, regardless of geopolitical topographical location, and they have the right to stand wherever they want, just as CJ has the right to spew his douchisms...

I want to see if you are so forgiving after your SS# and essentially your identity is stolen and used by one of these people.

[fitzwell]

These people are on earth, regardless of geopolitical topographical location, and they have the right to stand wherever they want, ...


yep they have that right.


if they're Illegal, let 'em stand in Mexico, or Romania, or wherever the fuck they're from. Don't tell me how they have "rights" If they're Illegal, they have no rights. Period.

[livinglegend_86]

If they are here illegally they certainly do not have the right to be anywhere on US soil. Instead of understanding this simple concept you and many other people choose to play the race card.

I believe that the answer to this issue is a well run guest worker program. The program should document every non US citizen here to work, with time limits. After the time limit expires, the worker must leave, and their employer will be held responsible if they do not leave. The program must have a component where employers can verify guest worker status. Employers caught using illegal labor that were not verified thru the guest worker status verification program should face significant jail time or fines, or loss of business license. Guest workers caught here that are not enrolled in the guest worker program get immediately kicked out with no possibility of ever joining the program in the future. They get caught here again and they go to jail for a long time. Employers using guest workers from this program should be required to carry health insurance on the worker and his family meeting minimum guidelines, and should pay school taxes or a special assessment to help support the cost of educating a guest worker's children. Additionally, the employer should be required to arrange for transportation for his workers to the job site to avoid illegals driving with no insurance and no driver's license. If an illegal is caught breaking the law, they are kicked out and have no possibility of being a guest worker again. This includes driving with no license or insurance.

The carrot and the stick. It works every time. The above program would be more than fair to the guest workers, and would make their employers shoulder some of the social burden they will bring here.
That's a damn good idea, and it will always work. Lure them in, and fix the problem yourself. I love the idea of making them pay taxes as well. If they don't become a citizen or resident after the time limit has expired, and they get shipped out, at least we got the taxes out of them that we(as legal American citizens :cool: ) have to pay as well.

I'm open to letting people come here to work legally, pay taxes, get an education and better themselves in any way possible... with the key word being LEGALLY.

If you're going to be in America and work here, do it right.

[jewozzy]

request legal identification. When they can't produce it, arrest them for failure to identify, deport.

what makes you think they dont have mexican id? that is legal.

[JP135]

Misguided, huh? hahahaha, that's good.

The first line of that post made absolutely no sense, and only further proves your incompetence when it come to analyzing complex problems. Go on child, play in your ignorance and your dangerously low level of awareness. Ignorance is bliss...

I believe my first sentence made perfect sense. I'll break it down into little words even an idiot can understand: You've labeled an entire cross section of the population as racists and biggots. Your behavior is, by definition, biggotry.

I like your tactic of personally attacking anyone who doesn't agree with you; it's a tactic ignorant people tend to employ when they can't come up with a response that actually addresses the issue at hand. You don't need to worry about my competence; my IQ is above 150 and I will continue to do just fine.

I'm sure you're some 18 or 19 year old kid and you think you have everything all figured out. It's common - you'll outgrow it soon enough. But the fact is, you're swimming way beyond your depth here. The issue at hand is ILLEGAL aliens, not racism.

While I'm here, let me ask you to comment on something: When you used your old boring, non-intellectual screen name, your posts were dull and for the most part unintelligent (ie - Do people who get shot actually die of lead poisoning???). You read Nietzsche's book and it inspired you. That's nice. You adopted a new (and incredibly presumptuous) screen name and along with it seem to have assumed the role of self-appointed intellectual philosopher for the unwashed masses. My question to you is this: What process did you go through to change yourself from everyday run-of-the-mill dipshit to the condescending omnipotent philosopher? Please, enlighten me.

[Paladin]

So what do they do down on the border? Once they are here they just say "Welcome to this lovely piniata we call the U.S.A. Please, feel free to beat her until all of the goodies fall out."?

The difference between municipal LE (where I work) and federal LE is narrowing in regards to illegal immigration enforcement, but it still has a way to go. The border enforcement isuue is not something I am well informed of.

[Nate]

CJ, what do you teach/do at UTA?

<---recent UTA graduate.

[slow99]

I didn't realize Mensa gave out certificates. :confused:

[01WhiteCobra]

The illegal situation will resolve itself once the recession is in effect.

[Muffrazr]

The illegal situation will resolve itself once the recession is in effect.


How so?

[01WhiteCobra]

How so?

Unemployment will be high enough there won't be a market for their services.

If you ain't building houses, the brick layers stay in Mexico.
If you are cutting back on your expenses, you fire the maid, and they stay in Mexico. You start cutting your own grass.

So on and so on.

[Mr Majestyk]

Sounds pretty much exactly like the attitude toward black people in the early 50's. What's so wrong with Mexican people? What have they done to you to force you not to 'patron' businesses in the area? Racism is strong in your arguments/letter. What if these people are white and affluent, but followed the mannerisms of the mexicans exactly? Or was it just their brown skin you didn't like? Racism, bigotry, intolerance, and ethnocentricism will never get you anywhere, we've already learned lessons from this in the past. MLK Jr. would turn over in his grave...

What the fuck do you know firsthand about MLK Jr. or about African Americans in general FudgePecker? Obviously nothing more than what you can glean off the 'net while on mommie's computer, and even then you're too stupid to separate fact from fiction. The black man in America has your own piece of shit culture beat hands down today by anyone's measure. Gotta love the country formerly known as Persia and it's offspring that are stupid enough to allow themselves to be ruled over by some bitter, washed-up old clerics with a mindset 1000 years behind the times.

[ayzo]

I don't know about you guys but I just don't love the cowboys enough to build the new stadium for $7 an hour.

Lets them finish the stadium first THEN we can kick them out. :cool:

[Muffrazr]

Unemployment will be high enough there won't be a market for their services.

If you ain't building houses, the brick layers stay in Mexico.
If you are cutting back on your expenses, you fire the maid, and they stay in Mexico. You start cutting your own grass.

So on and so on.


Ah, simple and effective. Good point.

I can't afford to pay someone else for my own chores, so that didn't even occur to me.

[Zarathustra]

The premise under which I argued for racism as the origin of his ill will towards mexicans was one that implied that the only way Mr. Mensa knew these people were illegal was because of their DIRECT OUTWARD APPEARANCE. This is a classic and blatant example of racial profiling. It's a wonder many more of you can't see this, it's right out there in the open. To write a letter asking the police to rid him of his mexican infestation is only further proof of intolerance. This can only be explained as a deficiency of cross-cultural intelligence, and should (and is) frowned upon in the real world (outside of the reality that we'll call CJ's).

I'm not arguing the fact that there's a problem, furthermore I acknowledge the array of cultural and ethnically diverse contributions the Mexican people have had on this country, with a special emphasis on Mexico. Up until recently (relatively) Texas was literally part of Mexico. That alone is significant enough to bring your arguments to their knees.

They have NO rights, get it through your peanut head. If you are NOT a legal citizen, you do NOT have the right to free speech, you do NOT have the right to live here, you have NO rights at all. Do you not understand that? Why do you libs not understand that? People don't sit on the side of the road waiting for work because they are legal citizens, they do it because they are illegal -quit the stupid pandering and bullshit and use the brain you claim to have. You argue like a child, it's disgusting.


You reason like a child, it's even funnier. Of course these people have rights. Could you get any more anthropocentric? The origin of your numerous fallacies lies in your racially biased and ethnocentric interpretation of the documents upon which our government is based. The declaration of independence 'declares' that "ALL Men are endowed by their creator with certain UNALIENABLE rights" That's a far cry from saying, only those who are in America at their time of birth, or are properly naturalized have these rights, in fact those born outside our boundaries have no rights.---Yes they do, sir, because they are HUMAN. They think, reason, manipulate their environment, eat, sleep, shit and fucking lay your bricks. For this reason, they definitely have every right to do what ever the fuck they choose as far as I'm concerned. The rights we are so privileged to have are not American rights, they are HUMAN rights. These 'inalienable' rights transcend any geopolitical boundaries and apparently travel outside your consciousness.


Zarathustra I'm a member of mensa. I'm a certified genius. Shit, even on the entry test I had a perfect score for spatial reasoning - the only one in the tarrant county mensa chapter to do it. I'll invite you over to my house to come see the cute little certificate and allow you to actually converse with someone which is almost certainly of a higher intelligence. And i'm not pandering to insult you, it's most certainly true. You love to throw around big words and elitist statements, demeaning other forum members, and the funny thing is I really don't find you to be as open minded as you claim, whatsoever. You've finally push me to the point where I have to literally tell you you're an idiot.

So what does that mean? You took an IQ test and wanted to be a part of some greater good, so they let you in? Passing a mensa test is HARDLY qualification for self-declaration of genius, and you're even further away from reality to presume some sense of self worth and your pretentious attitude toward your supposed intellectual capability. Mensa literally translates in spanish to 'Stupid woman', rather fitting, if you ask me. Passing a mensa test can't be an intellectual feat if truck drivers can get in... But hey, way to gain a false sense of hope. I definitely don't look toward any establishment for acceptance or admittance, regardless of perceived qualification or to brag about my level of intelligence as a result of getting accepted to anything, like you did for your little sorority.


On a side note, why do you feel the need to prove your intelligence to me, especially over the internet? You can stop with the belittling personal attacks, as I'm sure they're a waste of time for your little fingers to type, they're not getting anything accomplished.



While I'm here, let me ask you to comment on something: When you used your old boring, non-intellectual screen name, your posts were dull and for the most part unintelligent (ie - Do people who get shot actually die of lead poisoning???). You read Nietzsche's book and it inspired you. That's nice. You adopted a new (and incredibly presumptuous) screen name and along with it seem to have assumed the role of self-appointed intellectual philosopher for the unwashed masses. My question to you is this: What process did you go through to change yourself from everyday run-of-the-mill dipshit to the condescending omnipotent philosopher? Please, enlighten me.

I read the book 10 years ago, that's hardly the reason I changed my name. I've always been philosophically inclined, as we all are. Some of us merely seek ends to our seemingly never-ending debate on a slew of normal everyday issues, but resign that which they do not know, or rather do not care to know to the doctrines of faith and hope that our religious establishments teach us.

This has already been through in another thread but allow me to reiterate. Zarathustra was a persian philosopher upon whose teachings the Zoroastrian faith was based. Many refer to zoroastrianism as the world's first monotheistic religion. Zoroastrianism was the dominant religion of the people inhabiting Persia until the Arab invasion which supplanted Islam as the main religion in the region. I am persian, so i saw it fitting to change my name. It has little to nothing to do with Nietzsche or any of his work. I only aim to further understanding my introducing different and oft opposing arguments to those that are advanced. That is assuming that with all the unintelligent bullshit that people say in here actually mildly resembles an argument. Sometimes it's hard to weed out all the stupid ignorant rants in order to extract some sort of cognitive substance. Alot of the time it's necessary to point out the lack of thoughthood of people's thoughts.

[black01gt]

I don't know about you guys but I just don't love the cowboys enough to build the new stadium for $7 an hour.

Lets them finish the stadium first THEN we can kick them out. :cool:
Screw that. Give Jerry and T.O. a hammer.

[black01gt]

There's no way to prove, upon first glance, that these guys are illegal. So, in retrospect, the racism is strong here because of the automatic assumption that these people are all illegal. Just because they're mexican, or look mexican, doesn't mean they're necessarily illegal, right?
I have many Tex-Mex citizen friends who are all for "profiling" cause it more quickly and effeciently ID's fucking parasites sucking on their blood as well as mine. I know an old Mexican man that will not hesitate to call La Migra when he knows of illegals. He's very frustrated that they will never respond. He thinks Bush wants to adopt the poor of Mexico yet doesn't give a shit about Americans. Hmmm...

But anyway, how do you feel about Mexico's strictly enforced immigration laws? Do you think they're unfair? Here they are:

1. There will be no special bilingual programs in the schools, no special ballots for elections, and all government business will be conducted in our language.

2. Foreigners will NOT have the right to vote, no matter how long they are here.

3. Foreigners will NEVER be able to hold political office.

4. Foreigners will not be a burden to the taxpayers. No welfare, no food stamps, no health care, nor any other government assistance programs.

5. Foreigners can invest in this country, but it must be an amount equal to 40,000 times the daily minimum wage.

6. If foreigners do come and want to buy land that will be okay, BUT options will be restricted. You are not allowed to own waterfront property. That property is reserved for citizens naturally born into this country.

7. Foreigners may not protest; no demonstrations, no waving a foreign flag, no political organizing, no "bad-mouthing" our president or his policies. If you do you will be sent home.

8. If you do come to this country illegally, you will be hunted down and sent straight to jail.

[Nestromo]

I have many Tex-Mex citizen friends who are all for "profiling" cause it more quickly and effeciently ID's fucking parasites sucking on their blood as well as mine. I know an old Mexican man that will not hesitate to call La Migra if when he knows of illegals. He's very frustrated that they will never respond. He thinks Bush wants to adopt the poor of Mexico yet doesn't give a shit about Americans. Hmmm...

But anyway, how do you feel about Mexico's strictly enforced immigration laws? Do you think they're unfair? Here they are:

1. There will be no special bilingual programs in the schools, no special ballots for elections, and all government business will be conducted in our language.

2. Foreigners will NOT have the right to vote, no matter how long they are here.

3. Foreigners will NEVER be able to hold political office.

4. Foreigners will not be a burden to the taxpayers. No welfare, no food stamps, no health care, nor any other government assistance programs.

5. Foreigners can invest in this country, but it must be an amount equal to 40,000 times the daily minimum wage.

6. If foreigners do come and want to buy land that will be okay, BUT options will be restricted. You are not allowed to own waterfront property. That property is reserved for citizens naturally born into this country.

7. Foreigners may not protest; no demonstrations, no waving a foreign flag, no political organizing, no "bad-mouthing" our president or his policies. If you do you will be sent home.

8. If you do come to this country illegally, you will be hunted down and sent straight to jail.

Fuckin Mexicans!! :mad: :mad: :mad:

...sounds like they have the right idea.

[JACKASS RACING]

[QUOTE=Zarathustra]The premise under which I argued for racism as the origin of his ill will towards mexicans was one that implied that the only way Mr. Mensa knew these people were illegal was because of their DIRECT OUTWARD APPEARANCE. This is a classic and blatant example of racial profiling. It's a wonder many more of you can't see this, it's right out there in the open. To write a letter asking the police to rid him of his mexican infestation is only further proof of intolerance. This can only be explained as a deficiency of cross-cultural intelligence, and should (and is) frowned upon in the real world (outside of the reality that we'll call CJ's).

I'm not arguing the fact that there's a problem, furthermore I acknowledge the array of cultural and ethnically diverse contributions the Mexican people have had on this country, with a special emphasis on Mexico. Up until recently (relatively) Texas was literally part of Mexico. That alone is significant enough to bring your arguments to their knees.



You reason like a child, it's even funnier. Of course these people have rights. Could you get any more anthropocentric? The origin of your numerous fallacies lies in your racially biased and ethnocentric interpretation of the documents upon which our government is based. The declaration of independence 'declares' that "ALL Men are endowed by their creator with certain UNALIENABLE rights" That's a far cry from saying, only those who are in America at their time of birth, or are properly naturalized have these rights, in fact those born outside our boundaries have no rights.---Yes they do, sir, because they are HUMAN. They think, reason, manipulate their environment, eat, sleep, shit and fucking lay your bricks. For this reason, they definitely have every right to do what ever the fuck they choose as far as I'm concerned. The rights we are so privileged to have are not American rights, they are HUMAN rights. These 'inalienable' rights transcend any geopolitical boundaries and apparently travel outside your consciousness.




So what does that mean? You took an IQ test and wanted to be a part of some greater good, so they let you in? Passing a mensa test is HARDLY qualification for self-declaration of genius, and you're even further away from reality to presume some sense of self worth and your pretentious attitude toward your supposed intellectual capability. Mensa literally translates in spanish to 'Stupid woman', rather fitting, if you ask me. Passing a mensa test can't be an intellectual feat if truck drivers can get in... But hey, way to gain a false sense of hope. I definitely don't look toward any establishment for acceptance or admittance, regardless of perceived qualification or to brag about my level of intelligence as a result of getting accepted to anything, like you did for your little sorority.


On a side note, why do you feel the need to prove your intelligence to me, especially over the internet? You can stop with the belittling personal attacks, as I'm sure they're a waste of time for your little fingers to type, they're not getting anything accomplished.




I read the book 10 years ago, that's hardly the reason I changed my name. I've always been philosophically inclined, as we all are. Some of us merely seek ends to our seemingly never-ending debate on a slew of normal everyday issues, but resign that which they do not know, or rather do not care to know to the doctrines of faith and hope that our religious establishments teach us.

This has already been through in another thread but allow me to reiterate. Zarathustra was a persian philosopher upon whose teachings the Zoroastrian faith was based. Many refer to zoroastrianism as the world's first monotheistic religion. Zoroastrianism was the dominant religion of the people inhabiting Persia until the Arab invasion which supplanted Islam as the main religion in the region. I am persian, so i saw it fitting to change my name. It has little to nothing to do with Nietzsche or any of his work. I only aim to further understanding my introducing different and oft opposing arguments to those that are advanced. That is assuming that with all the unintelligent bullshit that people say in here actually mildly resembles an argument. Sometimes it's hard to weed out all the stupid ignorant rants in order to extract some sort of cognitive substance. Alot of the time it's necessary to point out the lack of thoughthood of people's thoughts.[/QUOTE




somebody needs to shoot you in the head,as to release all of your cognitive substance onto the street......thats the thoughthood of my thoughts ;)

[black01gt]

Fuckin Mexicans!! :mad: :mad: :mad:

...sounds like they have the right idea.
I'm always amazed at how common sense law enforcement became labled "profiling". That's nothing but the bad guys making the laws. :confused:

Along the border it's called patrol. A few miles north of the border it's called "profiling". :D It's becoming evident that we're going to have take our country back from the politicians and their adopted new hopeful constituents. They're supposedly pissing down their legs about the Iraqi's yet let us be over run daily right here at home. Iraqi's don't worry me. Illegal Mexkins do. And I'm not that smart.

[JP135]

Since urethra or whatever is persian and claims the rights we have here are not just American but are human rights and universally recognized, why doesn't he go to "Persia" (Iran) and see how far his little bullshit universally recognized human rights fantasy gets him?

He won't, because he knows the premise sounds good but is a load of shit in reality.


5.0_CJ I apologize for taking your thread off track. I owe you a beer.

[mikeb]

The premise under which I argued for racism as the origin of his ill will towards mexicans was one that implied that the only way Mr. Mensa knew these people were illegal was because of their DIRECT OUTWARD APPEARANCE. This is a classic and blatant example of racial profiling.


Did it ever occur to you that the word "profiling" is a very politically charged word that was substituted for "observing" for a reason? The word "profiling" adds a certain intent to the basic action of making observations of the world and people around us and drawing reasonable conclusions. Libs want to make it "wrong" to use our powers of observation, because they are interested in protecting the illegals (for votes). "Profiling" has become some horribly politically charged incorrect thing. It makes sense that someone here illegally might have certain observable and identifiable characteristics. Use your own brain and think critically here. No one is hurt if someone is questioned whether they are here legally and are able to prove that they are. "profiling" is simply an acknowledgement that in many cases a certain premise has been proven to be true, like suicide bombers tend to be of middle eastern origin :)

One definition of profile from dictionary.com:

9. a set of characteristics or qualities that identify a type or category of person or thing: a profile of a typical allergy sufferer.


Of course these people have rights. Could you get any more anthropocentric? The origin of your numerous fallacies lies in your racially biased and ethnocentric interpretation of the documents upon which our government is based. The declaration of independence 'declares' that "ALL Men are endowed by their creator with certain UNALIENABLE rights" That's a far cry from saying, only those who are in America at their time of birth, or are properly naturalized have these rights, in fact those born outside our boundaries have no rights.---Yes they do, sir, because they are HUMAN. They think, reason, manipulate their environment, eat, sleep, shit and fucking lay your bricks. For this reason, they definitely have every right to do what ever the fuck they choose as far as I'm concerned. The rights we are so privileged to have are not American rights, they are HUMAN rights. These 'inalienable' rights transcend any geopolitical boundaries and apparently travel outside your consciousness.


Ummm.... they may have "human" rights according to the declaration of independence, but according to the US constitution and US laws they may not have "legal" rights. Under current US law a person that is here illegally has no standing whatsoever.

[mikeb]

Since urethra or whatever is persian and claims the rights we have here are not just American but are human rights and universally recognized, why doesn't he go to "Persia" (Iran) and see how far his little bullshit universally recognized human rights fantasy gets him?

He won't, because he knows the premise sounds good but is a load of shit in reality.


5.0_CJ I apologize for taking your thread off track. I owe you a beer.

"Z" is so caught up in his idealism and his intellectualism he has missed the boat on real life situations. Compound that with his belief that he is always right, and you have someone that is way out of touch with real life situations and real life people. He does not see the world as it truly is, or the nature of man as it truly is.

[Shaithis]

Passing a mensa test can't be an intellectual feat if truck drivers can get in... .
So you are implying that all truck drivers are incapable of being intelligent? You yell equality, yet in your own words descriminate. You fight a losing battle for people who entered this country illegally, yet you berate and belittle your fellow countrymen who have fought for your freedom and easy living. You sir, are no american nor should you be a United States citizen. You offer nothing but dessent and disdain for this great country. You are no better than Castro or Chavez. :mad:

[BHAM]

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[BHAM]

Ron Paul 2008!!!

[slow99]

So you are implying that all truck drivers are incapable of being intelligent? You yell equality, yet in your own words descriminate. You fight a losing battle for people who entered this country illegally, yet you berate and belittle your fellow countrymen who have fought for your freedom and easy living. You sir, are no american nor should you be a United States citizen. You offer nothing but dessent and disdain for this great country. You are no better than Castro or Chavez. :mad:

Oh, by the way...game, set, match.

[01WhiteCobra]

So you are implying that all truck drivers are incapable of being intelligent?

My parent's neighbor was a partner with one of the big 8 accounting firms for over 20 years.

Woke up one day and decided it wasn't what he wanted to do. Went to truck driving school and has been a cross country driver for the past 15 years.

He has a masters in accountancy and knowing him he probably also has a side job doing income tax returns at truck stops.

[Nestromo]

Some of the truckers that deliver to work make a lot of money.

[Muffrazr]

Well gaaawwwllyy. I guess I'm just a dumbass truck driver.


On a more serious note, Zarathusta, it would probably be beneficial for you to go cross country in a truck and see how diverse it really is. There are more free thinking intellectuals behind the wheels of those trucks than you could possibly ever imagine of all races, religions, or whatever profile you would like to put them in. Now don't take that as all truck drivers are this way, because there are some real idiots out there, but you can see that anywhere.


I only drive part time now, so I don't get the same broad spectrum I did when I drove cross-country, but you can still pick up on a good philosophical conversation coming across the C.B.

[black01gt]

I don't think you truckers need to justify a damned thing to that know-it-all shitass.

[bcoop]

The premise under which I argued for racism as the origin of his ill will towards mexicans was one that implied that the only way Mr. Mensa knew these people were illegal was because of their DIRECT OUTWARD APPEARANCE. This is a classic and blatant example of racial profiling. It's a wonder many more of you can't see this, it's right out there in the open. To write a letter asking the police to rid him of his mexican infestation is only further proof of intolerance. This can only be explained as a deficiency of cross-cultural intelligence, and should (and is) frowned upon in the real world (outside of the reality that we'll call CJ's).

I'm not arguing the fact that there's a problem, furthermore I acknowledge the array of cultural and ethnically diverse contributions the Mexican people have had on this country, with a special emphasis on Mexico. Up until recently (relatively) Texas was literally part of Mexico. That alone is significant enough to bring your arguments to their knees.



You reason like a child, it's even funnier. Of course these people have rights. Could you get any more anthropocentric? The origin of your numerous fallacies lies in your racially biased and ethnocentric interpretation of the documents upon which our government is based. The declaration of independence 'declares' that "ALL Men are endowed by their creator with certain UNALIENABLE rights" That's a far cry from saying, only those who are in America at their time of birth, or are properly naturalized have these rights, in fact those born outside our boundaries have no rights.---Yes they do, sir, because they are HUMAN. They think, reason, manipulate their environment, eat, sleep, shit and fucking lay your bricks. For this reason, they definitely have every right to do what ever the fuck they choose as far as I'm concerned. The rights we are so privileged to have are not American rights, they are HUMAN rights. These 'inalienable' rights transcend any geopolitical boundaries and apparently travel outside your consciousness.




So what does that mean? You took an IQ test and wanted to be a part of some greater good, so they let you in? Passing a mensa test is HARDLY qualification for self-declaration of genius, and you're even further away from reality to presume some sense of self worth and your pretentious attitude toward your supposed intellectual capability. Mensa literally translates in spanish to 'Stupid woman', rather fitting, if you ask me. Passing a mensa test can't be an intellectual feat if truck drivers can get in... But hey, way to gain a false sense of hope. I definitely don't look toward any establishment for acceptance or admittance, regardless of perceived qualification or to brag about my level of intelligence as a result of getting accepted to anything, like you did for your little sorority.


On a side note, why do you feel the need to prove your intelligence to me, especially over the internet? You can stop with the belittling personal attacks, as I'm sure they're a waste of time for your little fingers to type, they're not getting anything accomplished.




I read the book 10 years ago, that's hardly the reason I changed my name. I've always been philosophically inclined, as we all are. Some of us merely seek ends to our seemingly never-ending debate on a slew of normal everyday issues, but resign that which they do not know, or rather do not care to know to the doctrines of faith and hope that our religious establishments teach us.

This has already been through in another thread but allow me to reiterate. Zarathustra was a persian philosopher upon whose teachings the Zoroastrian faith was based. Many refer to zoroastrianism as the world's first monotheistic religion. Zoroastrianism was the dominant religion of the people inhabiting Persia until the Arab invasion which supplanted Islam as the main religion in the region. I am persian, so i saw it fitting to change my name. It has little to nothing to do with Nietzsche or any of his work. I only aim to further understanding my introducing different and oft opposing arguments to those that are advanced. That is assuming that with all the unintelligent bullshit that people say in here actually mildly resembles an argument. Sometimes it's hard to weed out all the stupid ignorant rants in order to extract some sort of cognitive substance. Alot of the time it's necessary to point out the lack of thoughthood of people's thoughts.


Get the fuck out then. Go back to your hut living, feces eating, ancestors. People who are here ILLEGALLY have no fucking rights. Period. Your bleeding heart is what's wrong with America. Typical, considering you aren't a true American/patriot.


Racial profiling saves lives. Remember that.


Don't you have some tacos to bend?

[agiraldo]

Racial profiling saves lives. Remember that.




It does. Everytime I see a black person I usually start a fight b/c I don't like them nigga-boys.

[Zarathustra]

"Z" is so caught up in his idealism and his intellectualism he has missed the boat on real life situations. Compound that with his belief that he is always right, and you have someone that is way out of touch with real life situations and real life people. He does not see the world as it truly is, or the nature of man as it truly is.

That might have been the most truthful think you ever said to me. But seriously though dude, people like me. :D

[Zarathustra]

Get the fuck out then. Go back to your hut living, feces eating, ancestors. People who are here ILLEGALLY have no fucking rights. Period. Your bleeding heart is what's wrong with America. Typical, considering you aren't a true American/patriot.


Racial profiling saves lives. Remember that.


Don't you have some tacos to bend?

I half expected you to say something like that, you ignorant gloat.

Typical.

Racial profiling did not save one single life before 9/11, so don't haul in your little fear tactics to try and support your already weak arguments.

[5.0_CJ]

I half expected you to say something like that, you ignorant gloat.

Typical.

Racial profiling did not save one single life before 9/11, so don't haul in your little fear tactics to try and support your already weak arguments.

I just scanned through your blathering and picked a post to actually read... and what do you know, more bullshit.


that's because we were not racially profiling before 9/11. It saved lives several times afterwards though, would you like me to show you evidence, or are you going to tuck your filthy tail between your legs and stop posting as usual?

[5.0_CJ]

That might have been the most truthful think you ever said to me. But seriously though dude, people like me. :D

you must not open your mouth around said people.

[Zarathustra]

I just scanned through your blathering and picked a post to actually read... and what do you know, more bullshit.


that's because we were not racially profiling before 9/11. It saved lives several times afterwards though, would you like me to show you evidence, or are you going to tuck your filthy tail between your legs and stop posting as usual?


You would just jump off and ignore my earlier posts which were addressed towards you, or maybe you're just the one tucking your little bitch tail between your legs.

WE WEREN'T RACIALLY PROFILING BEFORE 9/11???!!???


WHAT!?

ARE YOU KIDDING???

You must not be black...

You just keep dodging my arguments, simpleton. You're not worth my time.

[Zarathustra]

you must not open your mouth around said people.

All the time, those who take the time to understand where I'm coming from instead of generalizing my thought patterns right off the bat, stand to gain something from knowing and talking to me. You just might learn something if you don't let your little ego get in the way, you little girl. You've never met me and probably never will, so you have no information with which to judge me, my character, my political ideology, or physical stature. Your disrespectful narrow-minded posts just further my initial impression of you, you're just another lost soul among millions, I'm alright with that. You do your part, I'll do mine...

[Zarathustra]

I'll post if again for you, just for good measure...




The premise under which I argued for racism as the origin of his ill will towards mexicans was one that implied that the only way Mr. Mensa knew these people were illegal was because of their DIRECT OUTWARD APPEARANCE. This is a classic and blatant example of racial profiling. It's a wonder many more of you can't see this, it's right out there in the open. To write a letter asking the police to rid him of his mexican infestation is only further proof of intolerance. This can only be explained as a deficiency of cross-cultural intelligence, and should (and is) frowned upon in the real world (outside of the reality that we'll call CJ's).

I'm not arguing the fact that there's a problem, furthermore I acknowledge the array of cultural and ethnically diverse contributions the Mexican people have had on this country, with a special emphasis on Mexico. Up until recently (relatively) Texas was literally part of Mexico. That alone is significant enough to bring your arguments to their knees.

Quote:
Originally Posted by 5.0_CJ
They have NO rights, get it through your peanut head. If you are NOT a legal citizen, you do NOT have the right to free speech, you do NOT have the right to live here, you have NO rights at all. Do you not understand that? Why do you libs not understand that? People don't sit on the side of the road waiting for work because they are legal citizens, they do it because they are illegal -quit the stupid pandering and bullshit and use the brain you claim to have. You argue like a child, it's disgusting.


You reason like a child, it's even funnier. Of course these people have rights. Could you get any more anthropocentric? The origin of your numerous fallacies lies in your racially biased and ethnocentric interpretation of the documents upon which our government is based. The declaration of independence 'declares' that "ALL Men are endowed by their creator with certain UNALIENABLE rights" That's a far cry from saying, only those who are in America at their time of birth, or are properly naturalized have these rights, in fact those born outside our boundaries have no rights.---Yes they do, sir, because they are HUMAN. They think, reason, manipulate their environment, eat, sleep, shit and fucking lay your bricks. For this reason, they definitely have every right to do what ever the fuck they choose as far as I'm concerned. The rights we are so privileged to have are not American rights, they are HUMAN rights. These 'inalienable' rights transcend any geopolitical boundaries and apparently travel outside your consciousness.


Quote:
Originally Posted by 5.0_CJ
Zarathustra I'm a member of mensa. I'm a certified genius. Shit, even on the entry test I had a perfect score for spatial reasoning - the only one in the tarrant county mensa chapter to do it. I'll invite you over to my house to come see the cute little certificate and allow you to actually converse with someone which is almost certainly of a higher intelligence. And i'm not pandering to insult you, it's most certainly true. You love to throw around big words and elitist statements, demeaning other forum members, and the funny thing is I really don't find you to be as open minded as you claim, whatsoever. You've finally push me to the point where I have to literally tell you you're an idiot.


So what does that mean? You took an IQ test and wanted to be a part of some greater good, so they let you in? Passing a mensa test is HARDLY qualification for self-declaration of genius, and you're even further away from reality to presume some sense of self worth and your pretentious attitude toward your supposed intellectual capability. Mensa literally translates in spanish to 'Stupid woman', rather fitting, if you ask me. Passing a mensa test can't be an intellectual feat if truck drivers can get in... But hey, way to gain a false sense of hope. I definitely don't look toward any establishment for acceptance or admittance, regardless of perceived qualification or to brag about my level of intelligence as a result of getting accepted to anything, like you did for your little sorority.


On a side note, why do you feel the need to prove your intelligence to me, especially over the internet? You can stop with the belittling personal attacks, as I'm sure they're a waste of time for your little fingers to type, they're not getting anything accomplished.

[Mr Majestyk]

Cornhole redness after yet another weekend reaming, FudgePecker?

[Nestromo]

If that guy says "geopolitical" one more time I'm going to barf.

[mikeb]

That might have been the most truthful think you ever said to me. But seriously though dude, people like me. :D

You are a young guy pontificating about things when you have little life experience and you are coming across like a Berkeley liberal spewing idealism from all of your reading and professors. It all sounds rather pompous. It would serve you well to learn some humility and actually listen to old people that have lived a lot of life; they know how the world works. It's not all found in a textbook.

my .02

[Fox466]

Damn. When are you guys just going to put him on ignore?

[Mr Majestyk]

+1 on FudgePecker's inexperience of real-life issues.....it shows.

[Nate]

You are a young guy pontificating about things when you have little life experience and you are coming across like a Berkeley liberal spewing idealism from all of your reading and professors. It all sounds rather pompous. It would serve you well to learn some humility and actually listen to old people that have lived a lot of life; they know how the world works. It's not all found in a textbook.

my .02
Mikeb scores again!

[bcoop]

Racial profiling did not save one single life before 9/11



Really? Do you have facts, or are you just spewing your "know it all" ignorance again? Don't bother responding if you don't have facts. I won't bother reading.

[5.0_CJ]

You would just jump off and ignore my earlier posts which were addressed towards you, or maybe you're just the one tucking your little bitch tail between your legs.

WE WEREN'T RACIALLY PROFILING BEFORE 9/11???!!???


WHAT!?

ARE YOU KIDDING???

You must not be black...

You just keep dodging my arguments, simpleton. You're not worth my time.

oh yeah, time to throw in the race card. I got under your skin like a motherfucker didnt I? You know damn well you're wrong and it's evident by your belligerant back tracking in this post. It's hiliarious. Your arguments are absolutely childish, and you're an idiot and COMPLETELY unqualfied to be speaking about politics. Why? Because every point you make is not based on any fact whatsoever. Whenever I start pulling out the facts, you start personally insulting people and then stop posting. You just do your little drive bys, talk some shit, and then run away as usual. I've got to the point where I just laugh at your inability to prove a single one of your points and you jump headlong into a ranting rabid liberal personal insult spew knowing damn well you're wrong. Your own reaction is proof that you're not qualified to be debating anything. You simply do not have the ability to debate people - you will be just another lefty holding a picket whilst real men with real values and understanding are running the show.

lets talk facts here

you're working on a philosphy degree.
you're a pothead.
you've never been in a debate in person.

These are facts conceived by your own statements. This is why you'll never find respect in these forums.

[AL P]

The premise under which I argued for racism as the origin of his ill will towards mexicans was one that implied that the only way Mr. Mensa knew these people were illegal was because of their DIRECT OUTWARD APPEARANCE. This is a classic and blatant example of racial profiling. It's a wonder many more of you can't see this, it's right out there in the open. To write a letter asking the police to rid him of his mexican infestation is only further proof of intolerance. This can only be explained as a deficiency of cross-cultural intelligence, and should (and is) frowned upon in the real world (outside of the reality that we'll call CJ's)

Pure nonsense. Lets forget all of the obvious reasons why a large group of hispanic people standing on a street corner are illegal workers. What other reason would they have for being there? I noticed you haven't offered one valid reason. Go ahead and do so now. I'm sure it was a pinata party or something.

This is just another example of using an alarmist tactic on your part. Racial profiling is when someone makes broad and sweeping generalizations based on observations. Calling a large group of hispanic men waiting in a public place "illegals" is hardly a generalization when it happens every day in scores of places all over the city.

As I mentioned in another thread, you'll change your tune about this issue when someone steals you or someone in your family's identity so they can work.

[5.0_CJ]

As I mentioned in another thread, you'll change your tune about this issue when someone steals you or someone in your family's identity so they can work.

Al, from Zara's childish mindset, he will simply use this is an excuse for why they should be given citizenship, so his identity isn't at risk. You just can't argue with people that are not grounded in reality.

[Zarathustra]

Al, from Zara's childish mindset, he will simply use this is an excuse for why they should be given citizenship, so his identity isn't at risk. You just can't argue with people that are not grounded in reality.

What you mean is,
You just can't argue with people that are not grounded in YOUR reality. Reality is subjective, as you should know...

[Nate]

What you mean is,
You just can't argue with people that are not grounded in YOUR reality. Reality is subjective, as you should know...
Circular arguments and deflecting the point in question is the best you can come up with?

[Zarathustra]

Circular arguments and deflecting the point in question is the best you can come up with?

The argument was made, and I CLEARLY came out victorious. These are just the last blatherings in attempt to save face and otherwise persecute me and rain on my parade from another glorious victory over closet-fascism.

[5.0_CJ]

The argument was made, and I CLEARLY came out victorious. These are just the last blatherings in attempt to save face and otherwise persecute me and rain on my parade from another glorious victory over closet-fascism.

hahahahahahahaha.... you leave the guy alone and he's claiming victory. You sure have changed your dialog since my regular castigations of you, you use a lot of my common dialog now. I'm glad to see you're learning something.

[Nestromo]

Whatever, ignorance is bliss I suppose.

Hey Zar, can you give us some guidelines as to which laws to abide by and which ones to disregard?

[4.6 Love]

Sweet..I've yet to be picked up.. :cool:

[bmw2stang]

Sounds pretty much exactly like the attitude toward black people in the early 50's. What's so wrong with Mexican people? What have they done to you to force you not to 'patron' businesses in the area? Racism is strong in your arguments/letter. What if these people are white and affluent, but followed the mannerisms of the mexicans exactly? Or was it just their brown skin you didn't like? Racism, bigotry, intolerance, and ethnocentricism will never get you anywhere, we've already learned lessons from this in the past. MLK Jr. would turn over in his grave...I have to agree whole heartedy with this post.Mexicans are part of this country so pretty much learn to live in peace with them.I do however feel that they should go thru the proper channels to become legal citizens of this country.

[Nate]

The argument was made, and I CLEARLY came out victorious. These are just the last blatherings in attempt to save face and otherwise persecute me and rain on my parade from another glorious victory over closet-fascism.
You clearly came out victorious in your mind and your mind only.

[Nestromo]

You clearly came out victorious in your mind and your mind ownly.

He isn't telling convince us of that, he is trying to tell himself of that.

[Mr Majestyk]

The argument was made, and I CLEARLY came out victorious. These are just the last blatherings in attempt to save face and otherwise persecute me and rain on my parade from another glorious victory over closet-fascism.

Woof-Woof.....FudgePecker.......Woof-Woof........Woof

Now why would anyone want to persecute a fag like you, 'Pecker, and rain on your cornhole parade LOL

[bcoop]

The argument was made, and I CLEARLY came out victorious.


The only thing that you've EVER been CLEARLY victorious at, is sucking cock.

[Zarathustra]

You clearly came out victorious in your mind and your mind ownly.

Yea, and you're OWNLY a douche...

[Zarathustra]

The only thing that you've EVER been CLEARLY victorious at, is sucking cock.

Are you serious?

Come up with something new if you're going to be ignorant enough to only attempt to insult me over and over again. That's all you got, huh? Why persecutest thou me?

[Nate]

Yea, and you're OWNLY a douche...
You have a lot in common with Ruffdaddy. When losing/having lost an argument, resort to calling names and insults of the such.

[Zarathustra]

Read and comprehend, you dolt.

At least I can spell, homie.

[Nate]

Read and comprehend, you dolt.

At least I can spell, homie.
Typo does not equal bad spelling, friend.

[Zarathustra]

I'm pretty sure the W key is nowhere near the ANY of the keys you use to type the word ONLY, It's a matter of fact sir, that's actually how you think that word is spelled. For that, I will say spelling is not our strong suit, basic to language as it may be. I'm alright with that though, just don't jump in here and try to ridicule me for what you think is a lost argument when you lack the cognizance to accurately spell a word as simple as only.


wow.

[Zarathustra]

And to think, you've got somebody quoted in your sig making the same exact mistake...

hahahahahaha

[Nate]

I'm pretty sure the W key is nowhere near the ANY of the keys you use to type the word ONLY, It's a matter of fact sir, that's actually how you think that word is spelled. For that, I will say spelling is not our strong suit, basic to language as it may be. I'm alright with that though, just don't jump in here and try to ridicule me for what you think is a lost argument when you lack the cognizance to accurately spell a word as simple as only.


wow.
Sorry I was laughing in my head while typing my reply and thinking how you were getting OWNED and it slipped out. Bam you got me while still avoiding the original questions/arguments etc. Again you prove nothing while resorting to low level tactics in order to prove yourself to others. You insult my spelling and try to use big words to "talk down to me" but yet lack the substance in any of your arguments to prove anything.

CJ, mikeb and many others have already shown this.

So harp on my typo/spelling (whichever way you want to look at it) and then again realize you have said nothing to prove or support your stance and postion.

Sigs are turned off but yes maybe I committed a mr meanor by spelling a word incorrectly. now call me a douche or some childish insult while still not being able to support your argument or refute the other side correctly.

[bcoop]

Are you serious?




Maybe.

[03venom]

Thank you professor fuck head for that enlightening speech regarding the racism in this country. I was so moved by your passion for the illegal aliens. The next time there is a protest I will be right there with them eating all the churros and tacos I can! Bravo! Now go fuck a goat you dumb ass! IF YOU WANT TO COME TO THIS COUNTRY DO IT THE RIGHT WAY OR GET THE FUCK OUT! Thats what his letter was about.... Not racism.

Sounds pretty much exactly like the attitude toward black people in the early 50's. What's so wrong with Mexican people? What have they done to you to force you not to 'patron' businesses in the area? Racism is strong in your arguments/letter. What if these people are white and affluent, but followed the mannerisms of the mexicans exactly? Or was it just their brown skin you didn't like? Racism, bigotry, intolerance, and ethnocentricism will never get you anywhere, we've already learned lessons from this in the past. MLK Jr. would turn over in his grave...

[66Deuce]

request legal identification. When they can't produce it, arrest them for failure to identify, deport.

I agree with you.

The real problem to this is that LULAC will jump all over any city for doing this and say they were only asked for identification because of the color of their skin or ethnic features. Organizations such as this hide under the word "citizens" but they will not hesitate to support illegals.

[bcoop]

I agree with you.

The real problem to this is that LULAC will jump all over any city for doing this and say they were only asked for identification because of the color of their skin or ethnic features. Organizations such as this hide under the word "citizens" but they will not hesitate to support illegals.



You saw what happend to LULAC when they jumped all over the City of Irving and protested. :D :D :D :D :D

[Toy Cobra]

This is a problem not easily solved. I agree that everyone in the US should be here legaly, but lets just say we kick out every illegal person in the country. We will have bigger problems than we already do. What will happen to the vehicles, houses, and other posessions that they hold. Who will pay the outstanding dept for the forclosures, repo's, and the like. This would shoot our economy into certain failure!

There are many solutions to the problem but none that have a happy ending!

[66Deuce]

This is a problem not easily solved. I agree that everyone in the US should be here legaly, but lets just say we kick out every illegal person in the country. We will have bigger problems than we already do. What will happen to the vehicles, houses, and other posessions that they hold. Who will pay the outstanding dept for the forclosures, repo's, and the like. This would shoot our economy into certain failure!

There are many solutions to the problem but none that have a happy ending!

I bet most of the illegals pay cash for cars (no credit), cash to rent houses (no credit), and the other possessions paid for with cash (prolly at Traders Village because of no credit).

[Zarathustra]

This is a problem not easily solved. I agree that everyone in the US should be here legaly, but lets just say we kick out every illegal person in the country. We will have bigger problems than we already do. What will happen to the vehicles, houses, and other posessions that they hold. Who will pay the outstanding dept for the forclosures, repo's, and the like. This would shoot our economy into certain failure!

There are many solutions to the problem but none that have a happy ending!

I agree.

Migration is part of the human condition, human nature. Humans scour the planet, most of the time over invisible and relatively recently laid-out political lines we call borders or boundaries. It is only through these practices, mainly in the paleolithic era, that all habitable areas on earth were fully populated and settled. Democracy should not be imagined or thought of as a club, and only those who were brought into this world inside the US shouldn't be the only ones who reap the benefits. This immigration debate touch on the strongest of ideals held dear to many americans, sovereignty, democracy, and nationality in ways which are cut off and counterproductive from these very ideas for which we stand, steadfast.

The condition of of our economic gradient in contrast to the same in Mexico seems to be the biggest reason most of the migrants come here, especially illegally. But as 01WC said, that won't hold true for long, as recession is knocking on the door. It'd be hard to argue that these people are marginal or separate from our economy. They have helped and hindered and they will continue to do so, these people have a certain economic value, whether it's positive or negative.

Our misconceptions of the nature of the immigration debate are deeply rooted in mythical and archaic interpretations of the aforementioned American ideals, sovereignty, democracy, brotherhood, and nationalism. This doesn't necessarily mean that our values are outdated or misconceived, but in desperate need of a trans-valuation of values, an overhaul of interpretations made and stuck in the 19th century. When irresistible forces meet immovable ideas, the latter must give way.

On a side note: I disagree with the notion that I do think a naturalized mexican-american citizen of the US is the same as an illegal immigrant. My mom is a naturalized citizen of these United States, unbeknownst to many of you, but further persecution of me will only lead us down the wrong way on the wrong path, through a forest of superfluities.

[Nestromo]

I'm more interested in when irresistible fajita meat meets immovable amounts of cheese. :cool:

[Zarathustra]

I'll use this post to share a decent read on the subject...

linky (http://books.google.com/books?id=jpM47yyC_3kC&pg=PA8&lpg=PA8&dq=&source=web&ots=wAPlnSpZ1I&sig=7KeKGCL-qlFThutUhQBOD_53m30#PPA162,M1)

[Zarathustra]

I'm more interested in when irresistible fajita meat meets immovable amounts of cheese. :cool:

That's the problem...

[Nestromo]

That's the problem...

I was kidding.

But I do phucking love Mi Casita. :D

[veneno_stang]

That's the problem...
hahahahahaha arriva los mexicanos . me vale dick lo que digan los pinches bolillos keep your head up homies :D

[Mr Majestyk]

^^^^^

FudgePeckers new fuck (as in cornhole) buddy perhaps? Writes like a fag......

[Nestromo]

hahahahahaha arriva los mexicanos . me vale dick lo que digan los pinches bolillos keep your head up homies :D



Sacate la cabeza del culo y bete a Los Angeles, como te suena eso culero? ;)

[Zarathustra]

I was kidding.

But I do phucking love Mi Casita. :D

Cheers to that...Thanks alot

[jims93lx]

Can someone please define ILLEGAL for me, and explain why a person who's job it is to enforce the LAW, gets hammered by a civil rights group for arresting someone who is doing something ILLEGAL? I don't care what color their skin is, brown, black, white, red, green, fucking polka dots. If its against the law, its ILLEGAL, and you get caught, you should be arrested and punished for it, right???

[Casper]

Can you fucking believe that shit. They want to build a day laborer center.. spend my tax dollars to cater to their crime. I can't believe this shit.

In stead of giving millions to Jerry Jones' kids?

Hahaha!

Arlington deserves what it gets. The Chicago of Texas.

[8mpg]

Can someone please define ILLEGAL for me, and explain why a person who's job it is to enforce the LAW, gets hammered by a civil rights group for arresting someone who is doing something ILLEGAL? I don't care what color their skin is, brown, black, white, red, green, fucking polka dots. If its against the law, its ILLEGAL, and you get caught, you should be arrested and punished for it, right???

I didnt read but the original post and a couple replies...

From a legal standpoint (Im no lawyer) but you would figure you cant just go up to people and start asking for paperwork to prove they are legal. If you do, the next thing you have is harassment lawsuits. I would assume that is why it is the responsibility of the business owner to report illegal trespassing that would give the police department a reason for asking for identification and legal paperwork.

If some random cop came up to you and said "Let me see your paperwork, I just want to make sure you are legal" would probably irritate you. I know it would me. I have nothing to worry about because I was born and raised here but it sure would piss me off if they started harassing me cause people think I look Mexican. Im 1/2 white boy 1/2 Chinese

[Casper]

What about legitimate day laborers? I did a lot of that kind of work when I was younger. A central location has benefits. Especially for TEC, who try to regulate unemployment benefits.

[jims93lx]

I didnt read but the original post and a couple replies...

From a legal standpoint (Im no lawyer) but you would figure you cant just go up to people and start asking for paperwork to prove they are legal. If you do, the next thing you have is harassment lawsuits. I would assume that is why it is the responsibility of the business owner to report illegal trespassing that would give the police department a reason for asking for identification and legal paperwork.

If some random cop came up to you and said "Let me see your paperwork, I just want to make sure you are legal" would probably irritate you. I know it would me. I have nothing to worry about because I was born and raised here but it sure would piss me off if they started harassing me cause people think I look Mexican. Im 1/2 white boy 1/2 Chinese


I understand that part, that no assumption can be made. But if someone complains, a police officer is called, he asked for ID, I can't provide it because it doesn't exist, why the fuck is it wrong for him to call INS or ICE or what the fuck ever.
My biggest problem with the whole thing is 2 years ago, I am on my way home, when a dude decides that he doesn't want to stop when I did, and tries to drive thru the back of my 3/4 ton truck, in a 1981 Ford F150. Once I survey the damage, this dude comes up, "please don't call the police, sir, I will pay for the damage(yeah, right), I have no drivers license, no insurance" Come to find out he's illegal, doesn't own the POS he's driving, no insurance, no DL, nothing. Guess what happens, I'm out $400 for new bumper, and this dude walks away with nothing, no arrest, no deportment, just a busted ass truck. I pay my insurance, I pay for a nice truck, I pay my taxes, I pay all this shit, and some no account, piece of shit, fucks my truck and my day up, and I am the one who has to pay for it. PLight of the poor Illegal emigrant, my ass!

[8mpg]

I understand that part, that no assumption can be made. But if someone complains, a police officer is called, he asked for ID, I can't provide it because it doesn't exist, why the fuck is it wrong for him to call INS or ICE or what the fuck ever.
My biggest problem with the whole thing is 2 years ago, I am on my way home, when a dude decides that he doesn't want to stop when I did, and tries to drive thru the back of my 3/4 ton truck, in a 1981 Ford F150. Once I survey the damage, this dude comes up, "please don't call the police, sir, I will pay for the damage(yeah, right), I have no drivers license, no insurance" Come to find out he's illegal, doesn't own the POS he's driving, no insurance, no DL, nothing. Guess what happens, I'm out $400 for new bumper, and this dude walks away with nothing, no arrest, no deportment, just a busted ass truck. I pay my insurance, I pay for a nice truck, I pay my taxes, I pay all this shit, and some no account, piece of shit, fucks my truck and my day up, and I am the one who has to pay for it. PLight of the poor Illegal emigrant, my ass!


but thats the thing...someone has to give cause before they can start harassing people. You should have called the cops

[jims93lx]

but thats the thing...someone has to give cause before they can start harassing people. You should have called the cops
I did and nothing happened to the dude. I saw the same guy a month or so later. Now, could he have been deported and came back? Maybe, but I would hope the legal process would take longer than that, for the guy to be back living the same life 4-5 weeks later...

[Nestromo]

Jim, I feel for ya. That fucking sucks. I'm going to call up tomorrow and get theft/uninsured drivers. I don't know what I would do if some illegal totaled my baby and I was left with a check for $0 and a busted up car. Hopefully if it ever happens it will just be a bumper like yours, but you never know what is going to happen until it happens.

[jims93lx]

I'd recommend that to everybody. Think how quickly your life could be completely screwed if you didn't have uninsured/underinsured, and your car was totaled by someone like this guy. I know that if if happened to me, I would be up shit creek, without the paddle...

that is the biggest reason I have a problem with illegal aliens being here and not abiding by the law, but then again, if they did abide by the law, they wouldn't be illiegal. I just don't want to be considered a racist, because of the way that I feel about this, because I'm not.

[Mychael101]

American indians learned what happens when you can't control immigration.
Just sayin.... :D

[Nestromo]

American indians learned what happens when you can't control immigration.
Just sayin.... :D

You are correct. We need to get this shit under control before we end up on honkie reservations.

[Zarathustra]

American indians learned what happens when you can't control immigration.
Just sayin.... :D

Nice.

[Nestromo]

Nice.

Clean out your PMs.

[Zarathustra]

I've been needin' to do that. Done.

[svt01]

They have NO rights, get it through your peanut head. If you are NOT a legal citizen, you do NOT have the right to free speech, you do NOT have the right to live here, you have NO rights at all. Do you not understand that? Why do you libs not understand that? People don't sit on the side of the road waiting for work because they are legal citizens, they do it because they are illegal -quit the stupid pandering and bullshit and use the brain you claim to have. You argue like a child, it's disgusting.


I have to disagree with you on that one...Drive by Garland Rd. and Miller Rd. in Garland and you will see on the side of the road by the Labor Center...Hispanics on one side, Blacks and White mixed on the other....but wait maybe they're Canadian and Cuban so they could be illegal uh?...please hold while I go ask them :D

[Zarathustra]

another violently skewed viewpoint brought to you by economic self-interest.