My buddy is a retard. Trying to purchase a gun while on probation.

[ThreeFingerPete]

I just found out a buddy of mine just tried to buy a Smith and Wesson 9mm. Apparently for target shooting and such. He just called me asking if I knew any good lawyers, because apparently he's scared shitless. LOL They denied his application and issued him a summons.

[wesman]

lol....dummy

--wes

[evil jose]

Why would they issue a summons? Did he lie on the app?

[Pro88LX]

Why would they issue a summons? Did he lie on the app?

i was wonderinth the same thing. is there something specific about this in his probation? is he on probation for a violent offense?

[Fox466]

Damnit! Unless they have him on video he should say it wasn't him. Don't know who it was they must have forged my signature but it wasn't me...

[Pro88LX]

Damnit! Unless they have him on video he should say it wasn't him. Don't know who it was they must have forged my signature but it wasn't me...

odds are it is on tape somewhere especially if it was at a large store. i think lying will make it worse....

[Fox466]

You're probably right.

But then again that's what discovery is all about. ;)

[Pro88LX]

You're probably right.

But then again that's what discovery is all about. ;)

lol

[Paladin]

Don't any of you guys giving legal advice to lie about a possible felony crime want to know what this guy did to get on probation? Geeeez :mad:

[ELVIS]

you should have sold him that drunk guys p95

god bless.

[ThreeFingerPete]

he got caught with a little bud. misdemeanor possession as far as I know.

[jammeejamm]

i bought two while on probation for dwi. first one i bought with no problems, and that was for an "assault rifle." second one got delayed. on the second day of the delay i got a call from my probation officer asking me what i needed a gun for. I told her it was a $1100 collectible 1911(just a Kimber bla bla). she said "oh" and that was about it. she did tell me to be safe though. if it is not something that maxs at i think 360 days in jail and not a violent crime, then there is not much they can do.

[Magnus]

i bought two while on probation for dwi. first one i bought with no problems, and that was for an "assault rifle." second one got delayed. on the second day of the delay i got a call from my probation officer asking me what i needed a gun for. I told her it was a $1100 collectible 1911(just a Kimber bla bla). she said "oh" and that was about it. she did tell me to be safe though. if it is not something that maxs at i think 360 days in jail and not a violent crime, then there is not much they can do.
Hmmm, that makes me wonder. I'm currently on probation for the biggest mistake of my life (dwi), and i may be moving back to austin soon. Well, i'm unsure of where i'll end up in Austin, and just in case, i'd like to have a firearm before i move. I've gone through my probation papers several times looking for anything about not being able to purchase a firearm, but haven't found anything. :(

[Geor!]

he got caught with a little bud. misdemeanor possession as far as I know.
I don't see how a petty marijuana charge prevents someone from purchasing a firearm, while on probation or not. Parole? That's a different story.

[ThreeFingerPete]

Hell, I don't know what the deal is, that's why I posted this. All I know is my buddy is stupid, he's on probation, and now he's shitting bricks. LOL

[That_Is_My_El_Camino]

Question 12e. on Form 4473 isAre you an unlawful user of, or addicted to, marijuana, or any depressant, stimulant, or narcotic drug, or any other controlled substance?

[Magnus]

Question 12e. on Form 4473 is
Ah, i can see how a drug charge would conflict with that.

[Fox466]

Don't any of you guys giving legal advice to lie about a possible felony crime want to know what this guy did to get on probation? Geeeez :mad:


Valid point Don, and I was wrong. :o


That said, I'm a little biased due to my still not being able to 'legally' purchase firearms 20 years after I got stuck in the ass by the legal system because I made a stupid decision at the ripe old age of 17...

But, you live and learn. :cool:

[red04gt]

I know there are some weird laws in regards to drugs and firearms.

[Geor!]

Valid point Don, and I was wrong. :o


That said, I'm a little biased due to my still not being able to 'legally' purchase firearms 20 years after I got stuck in the ass by the legal system because I made a stupid decision at the ripe old age of 17...

But, you live and learn. :cool:
Highway rest stop?

[Fox466]

Highway rest stop?

Unfortunately. I learned the hard way that you have to keep your feet together when you take a crap in a public restroom... :(

[Chili]

Question 12e. on Form 4473 is

Just because you were caught with pot in the past doesn't mean that you meet that criteria. It is asked in the present tense after all. :confused:

[ELVIS]

Valid point Don, and I was wrong. :o


That said, I'm a little biased due to my still not being able to 'legally' purchase firearms 20 years after I got stuck in the ass by the legal system because I made a stupid decision at the ripe old age of 17...

But, you live and learn. :cool:


oh shit. :D

god bless.

[66Deuce]

Hell, I don't know what the deal is, that's why I posted this. All I know is my buddy is stupid, he's on probation, and now he's shitting bricks. LOL

And as his buddy, you confirm his guilt of attempting the purchase by posting it on the internet.

Nice.

[David]

Is it against the law for someone with a record trying to buy a gun?

I mean I guess if the terms of your probation prevents it, but....

Assuming he went through a dealer etc.; wouldnt they just say, "no"

[ThreeFingerPete]

And as his buddy, you confirm his guilt of attempting the purchase by posting it on the internet.

Nice.

LOL, yeah, because of all of the people in the world that I could know, somehow someone is going to track this down.

[Fox466]

oh shit. :D

god bless.


Shhh... :D


I totally agree that there should be laws prohibiting people with criminal records that are a danger to society from the purchasing of firearms.

But I also know that if you make a mistake when you are not even old enough to buy beer and then be a good boy for over 20 years you should be given a second shot at it, instead of living your entire life as a damned pariah... :rolleyes:

[David]

Shhh... :D


I totally agree that there should be laws prohibiting people with criminal records that are a danger to society from the purchasing of firearms.

But I also know that if you make a mistake when you are not even old enough to buy beer and then be a good boy for over 20 years you should be given a second shot at it, instead of living your entire life as a damned pariah... :rolleyes:
You can file paperwork with the ATF to be able to purchase and own a firearm(s). Of course they haven't green lighted anyone in the last 20yrs, but I guess it never hurts to try.

[Fox466]

Seriously? Didn't know this. If you happen to run across what specific form numbers I would really appreciate it. And thanks, that may be beneficial to me.


<---Off to try and investigate that a wee bit.

[Fox466]

Have to do it after while though. Right now I gotta go meet a guy to buy another gun... :D

[David]

I dont know how it works, I just know it can be done. I'll do some more reading into it.

[Magnus]

And as his buddy, you confirm his guilt of attempting the purchase by posting it on the internet.

Nice.
Yea, because the signed application of his buddy at the gun store means jack. . . What the fuck does it matter if he posted it online?

[bcoop]

I don't see how a petty marijuana charge prevents someone from purchasing a firearm, while on probation or not. Parole? That's a different story.



A non violent misdemeanor will not keep anyone from getting a firearm. A felony will. In most cases, someone that is on parole isn't on parole from a misdemeanor. Most of the time parole = felony.

[ELVIS]

And as his buddy, you confirm his guilt of attempting the purchase by posting it on the internet.

Nice.

if i wasnt 100% positive adam has only 1 freind i would call you an idiot.

god bless.

[ThreeFingerPete]

if i wasnt 100% positive adam has only 1 freind i would call you an idiot.

god bless.

But aren't you glad that you're that 1 friend?

[jluv]

And as his buddy, you confirm his guilt of attempting the purchase by posting it on the internet.

Nice.


Are you serious? LOL!

[jluv]

But aren't you glad that you're that 1 friend?

The truth comes out. Zero friends!

[Paladin]

I don't see how a petty marijuana charge prevents someone from purchasing a firearm, while on probation or not. Parole? That's a different story.

I agree, that's also why I asked.

[Paladin]

Valid point Don, and I was wrong. :o

No biggie Mike.



That said, I'm a little biased due to my still not being able to 'legally' purchase firearms 20 years after I got stuck in the ass by the legal system because I made a stupid decision at the ripe old age of 17...

But, you live and learn. :cool:

I know, that's why I asked for the specifics. It makes a huge difference if it was a small little marijuana charge or a violent crime IMO.

BTW, have you looked into an expunction or some type of record clearing because of the long time since your conviction and your lack of any other CH?

[Fox466]

Yep. Basically if you are 17 or older, you're screwed. If 16 or under, no problem. :(

[turbopaez]

I was trying to read some info and if i'm right after 5 years of release date or some thing like that you can own one at home. You are able to own one at home but not buy one, it makes no sense.

[66Deuce]

if i wasnt 100% positive adam has only 1 freind i would call you an idiot.

god bless.

Why hesitate to call me an idiot? It's just the internet.

[RoadW3@aol.com]

A non violent misdemeanor will not keep anyone from getting a firearm. A felony will. In most cases, someone that is on parole isn't on parole from a misdemeanor. Most of the time parole = felony.

Yes, parole is a release from a state correctional facility ie; prison. While probation is for misdemeanor charges. Now a person can be on probation for a felony but cannot be a parole for a misdemeanor since a person cannot go to prison for a misdemeanor, now if the misdemeanor is enhanced and brings the charge to a felony level than prison is a possibility. Like a person that is arrested for DWI but has two previous convictions (not arrests) then the third DWI would be a SJF (state jail felony). This is for Texas.

Also a person with a felony conviction that has five years from the final conviction date can own a firearm in his/her home, but cannot transport the weapon or have the weapon in their possession outside the home.

[WhoaTX5.0]

Also a person with a felony conviction that has five years from the final conviction date can own a firearm in his/her home, but cannot transport the weapon or have the weapon in their possession outside the home.[/QUOTE]


Are you sure on that?
Anywhere that is in black and white? ATF website?

My buddy went to jail for that.
He was convicted of a non violent crime 6 years ago and bought a registered gun and had it at his house. he just bought the gun less than 4 months ago
He was still on probation. Had like 6months left until he was off probation. But he last conviction was 6 years ago.
Waitng for him to go to court and see what they are going to do.