Great quote from Bush

[fitzwell]

"Mission Accomplished"

[5.0_CJ]

"Mission Accomplished"

It's getting more and more accurate with every day that passes.

[5.0_CJ]

"Mission Accomplished"

It's getting more and more accurate with every day that passes.

[Zarathustra]

It's getting more and more accurate with every day that passes.


Yea that's right you save that face.

[Slowhand]

Yea that's right you save that face.

name change ftw! lolz

[black01gt]

It's getting more and more accurate with every day that passes.
He just missed it a little. 4 years, a trillion dollar$, and 4000 young American lives, etc etc........etc, for blue sky.

This is still my favorite, quote and flip flop:
"Osama Bin Laden, dead or alive!" (yeaaaah, and a roar goes up from the pissed off crowd looking for revenge) That's an all time classic hoax right there.

"It's great to be here among the haves, and the have mores. You are my base." Not exactly an honorable and distinguished dignitary is he. Pompous ass!

"Fool me once and...uh..well..fool me twice..and...uh...well ya can't fool me again." :D What a clown.

"Brownie, you're doing a heck of a job here." He's never had a clue about life beyond his Yale fraternity and what the grownups tell him to do.

[89gt-stanger]

He just missed it a little. 4 years, a trillion dollar$, and 4000 young American lives, etc etc........etc, for blue sky.

so are pro bush?

[Zarathustra]

This is still my favorite, quote and flip flop:
"Osama Bin Laden, dead or alive!" (yeaaaa, and a roar goes up from the pissed off crowd looking for revenge) That's an all time classic hoax right there.



False. Flag. Operation.

[black01gt]

so are pro bush?
:D

[FSON]

"Mission Accomplished"
If you think really, really hard, it depends on what the meaning of the word "IS" is.

[black01gt]

If you think really, really hard, it depends on what the meaning of the word "IS" is.
Or what the meaning of the word "MISSION" is.
Or what the meaning of the word "ACCOMPLISHED" is.

[BP]

Nothing like taking something out of context to make a point. The ships deployment was over, meaning their mission was accomplished.

Bush's speech was that major combat operations were over and they were. Our 3rd and 4th Army weren't advancing since they had already occupied the country, the 82nd Airborne wasn't landing troops and we weren't flying 3,000 sorties a day.

Only an idiot would think that by saying major combat operations are over would mean the war is over with.

[black01gt]

Nothing like taking something out of context to make a point. The ships deployment was over, meaning their mission was accomplished.

Bush's speech was that major combat operations were over and they were. Our 3rd and 4th Army weren't advancing since they had already occupied the country, the 82nd Airborne wasn't landing troops and we weren't flying 3,000 sorties a day.

Only an idiot would think that by saying major combat operations are over would mean the war is over with.
Like I said, it depends on what the words "mission accomplished" mean. I didn't see a disclaimer to the statement. Apparently it didn't mean a damned thing but sounded good. I do wish he had meant what he said tho. Again.

[mikeb]

Nothing like taking something out of context to make a point. The ships deployment was over, meaning their mission was accomplished.

Bush's speech was that major combat operations were over and they were. Our 3rd and 4th Army weren't advancing since they had already occupied the country, the 82nd Airborne wasn't landing troops and we weren't flying 3,000 sorties a day.

Only an idiot would think that by saying major combat operations are over would mean the war is over with.

yeah, it didn't say "war over". A military conflict consists of thousands of missions.

[BP]

Like I said, it depends on what the words "mission accomplished" mean. I didn't see a disclaimer to the statement. Apparently it didn't mean a damned thing but sounded good. I do wish he had meant what he said tho. Again.

Basically his publicist was a dumbass for ever letting the sign be placed to begin with.

[5.0_CJ]

It's a war of misinformation. People believe what they're told. Unfortunately the tellers in this country and biased as hell (media).

[32VfromHell]

He just missed it a little. 4 years, a trillion dollar$, and 4000 young American lives, etc etc........etc, for blue sky.

This is still my favorite, quote and flip flop:
"Osama Bin Laden, dead or alive!" (yeaaaah, and a roar goes up from the pissed off crowd looking for revenge) That's an all time classic hoax right there.

"It's great to be here among the haves, and the have mores. You are my base." Not exactly an honorable and distinguished dignitary is he. Pompous ass!

"Fool me once and...uh..well..fool me twice..and...uh...well ya can't fool me again." :D What a clown.

"Brownie, you're doing a heck of a job here." He's never had a clue about life beyond his Yale fraternity and what the grownups tell him to do.


In a war lasting longer than WWII and having 8% of the total combat losses of WWII. Im okay with that. We all seem to post about how America is becoming soft with our childrens discipline, our laws, our litigations, and our rights but when it comes to warfare it seems we still expect things to get wrapped up like an hour long episode of CSI. Violence levels are dropping, our troops are fighting hard to sweep out the scum, and former enemies are becoming allies.

Osama Bin Ladin has to live every day of his existance in fear of capture now, because he has what amounts to several million people wanting to turn him in for reward money. It could even be percieved having him not be captured has hurt Al Queda more than his death or capture could, because as now, he is still the de facto leader even though his effectiveness has been reduced.

[Zarathustra]

Osama Bin Ladin has to live every day of his existance in fear of capture now, because he has what amounts to several million people wanting to turn him in for reward money. It could even be percieved having him not be captured has hurt Al Queda more than his death or capture could, because as now, he is still the de facto leader even though his effectiveness has been reduced.

You're a funny guy...

[AL P]

You're a funny guy...

Not nearly as funny as you, Fudgepecker

[Zarathustra]

Not nearly as funny as you, Fudgepecker

Eat shit, son.

[DOHCTR]

fuck you guys

http://illegaltees.com/bush.gif

[AL P]

Eat shit, son.

No thanks, Denton is too far to drive.

Oh snap.

[Mustangman_2000]

It's getting more and more accurate with every day that passes.

Sure, almost 5 years after he made the statement we are starting to see measured progress and positive change. Not in 2003, which is when the original quote was made.

[Zarathustra]

Sure, almost 5 years after he made the statement we are starting to see measured progress and positive change. Not in 2003, which is when the original quote was made.


They can't understand that, it's an attempt to save face because they were dead wrong.

[black01gt]

Basically his publicist was a dumbass for ever letting the sign be placed to begin with.
Yep. They've (Rove) outsmarted themselves a few times for the sake of image.

[Paladin]

He just missed it a little. 4 years, a trillion dollar$, and 4000 young American lives, etc etc........etc, for blue sky.

This is still my favorite, quote and flip flop:
"Osama Bin Laden, dead or alive!" (yeaaaah, and a roar goes up from the pissed off crowd looking for revenge) That's an all time classic hoax right there.

"It's great to be here among the haves, and the have mores. You are my base." Not exactly an honorable and distinguished dignitary is he. Pompous ass!

"Fool me once and...uh..well..fool me twice..and...uh...well ya can't fool me again." :D What a clown.

"Brownie, you're doing a heck of a job here." He's never had a clue about life beyond his Yale fraternity and what the grownups tell him to do.

No angry hate-fille liberal around here, right? :rolleyes:

Where do I get this stuff, huh? :D

[Paladin]

They can't understand that, it's an attempt to save face because they were dead wrong.


Look at MM2000, black01gt, and Zurethra bonding again. Funny how people of similar hate, anger, Bush hating, moveon.org loving, ACLU loving thought processes seem to do that. LOL

[Paladin]

Or what the meaning of the word "MISSION" is.
Or what the meaning of the word "ACCOMPLISHED" is.

Please tell us your definitions oh wise one. :rolleyes:

[Zarathustra]

Look at MM2000, black01gt, and Zurethra bonding again. Funny how people of similar hate, anger, Bush hating, moveon.org loving, ACLU loving thought processes seem to do that. LOL

Bears a striking resemblance to what you and your family of covalently-bonded sheep share so diligently. I harbor no hate or anger, it's ironic that you're so intent on shouting out accusations of alliances with fucking political action committees and think tanks, which seem to be the very core of the political party you adhere so strongly to. You're so backwards I don't even acknowledge your posts anymore, you represent all to me that does not matter. Your arguments lack substance and in a dying attempt to say something the least bit relevant, you resort to reciting various stereotypes and assumptions, sloganizations and implications of ill-will. You're really bad at this critical discussion stuff, really truly sub-par for your age bracket. And to top that off, you can't even come up with anything witty or insightful to say. Nothing, just more blabbering about how we're wrong and everything you think is 100% correct... :rolleyes:

[Mustangman_2000]

Look at MM2000, black01gt, and Zurethra bonding again. Funny how people of similar hate, anger, Bush hating, moveon.org loving, ACLU loving thought processes seem to do that. LOL

You are stereotyping people again.

I don't hate Bush, never even think about moveon until someone like you mentions it, and I abhor the practices of the ACLU.

[That_Is_My_El_Camino]

They can't understand that, it's an attempt to save face because they were dead wrong.LOLz

[black01gt]

Please tell us your definitions oh wise one. :rolleyes:
Uh.......nope.

[Paladin]

Uh.......nope.

What a cowardly liberal you are. You can only criticize without offering solutions.

I am shocked you would refuse. :rolleyes:

[Muffrazr]

Osama Bin Ladin has to live every day of his existance in fear of capture now, because he has what amounts to several million people wanting to turn him in for reward money. It could even be percieved having him not be captured has hurt Al Queda more than his death or capture could, because as now, he is still the de facto leader even though his effectiveness has been reduced.



You're a funny guy...


Could you elaborate as to why he is a funny guy with regards to his statement?

The way I see it, if we had killed him off he would become a martyr, no? I'm not incredibly informed on how radical muslims think, but I get the idea that if they had Bin Laden as a martyr then they would beleive all the hype that he had brainwashed them with. This would have given them more drive to do what they do.

Am I ASSuming too much here?

[Zarathustra]

Could you elaborate as to why he is a funny guy with regards to his statement?

The way I see it, OBL is being protected by the very same people who ACTUALLY planned and carried out the attacks. He'll never be found, it just won't happen. I guess my point is, I think he's Illuminati, and the only involvement he had in 9/11 was his agreement to be the scapegoat and take responsibility, which a mountain of speculation surrounds, nonetheless. You cant argue he's a pretty good candidate. But you can probably see what I'm getting at. Might seem crazy or whatever, but it's still possible...He's mega-filthy ridiculously rich and his family has had ties with the bush family for decades. I've never trusted the Saudis, an oligarchy only invites corruption, especially when oil is high as it is and they're throwing around billions of dollars, in american money. I can't help but to think every time I fill up my tank I'm building palaces in Saudi Arabia...

[VETTKLR]

Well start walkin', bitch. :D

[Muffrazr]

The way I see it, OBL is being protected by the very same people who ACTUALLY planned and carried out the attacks. He'll never be found, it just won't happen. I guess my point is, I think he's Illuminati, and the only involvement he had in 9/11 was his agreement to be the scapegoat and take responsibility, which a mountain of speculation surrounds, nonetheless. You cant argue he's a pretty good candidate. But you can probably see what I'm getting at. Might seem crazy or whatever, but it's still possible...He's mega-filthy ridiculously rich and his family has had ties with the bush family for decades. I've never trusted the Saudis, an oligarchy only invites corruption, especially when oil is high as it is and they're throwing around billions of dollars, in american money. I can't help but to think every time I fill up my tank I'm building palaces in Saudi Arabia...


I see your angle, now, and I raise you an eyebrow. Illuminati, Masonry, and all the other conspiracy angles have always intrigued me. However, I still like to keep the idea open that OBL is simply an enemy of my open thoughts, much like how I feel about parts of our Gov't. I have seen so many stretched connections between OBL and the current clusterfuck that I have disregarded most of it. I do, however, feel the earlier connections with Bin Laden's family and the Bushes certainly don't help matters. I was under the impression that Osama was basicly disowned by his super rich family, but I recall that he is still loaded.

[Zarathustra]

Well start walkin', bitch. :D

literally laughed out loud, that's comedy.



I see your angle, now, and I raise you an eyebrow. Illuminati, Masonry, and all the other conspiracy angles have always intrigued me. However, I still like to keep the idea open that OBL is simply an enemy of my open thoughts, much like how I feel about parts of our Gov't. I have seen so many stretched connections between OBL and the current clusterfuck that I have disregarded most of it.


This is what happens when people are so wealthy and powerful, they live above the law. When a simple disregard to the rule of law is adopted, all the tyranny of evil men and the greed and corruption ports are open for traffic, in and out of the economic cell that is the world economy. I want to stay away from claiming or even insinuating that Bush and binLaden are are cohorts in this global game cast over our eyes and minds in a sick attempt to control the masses, but for purposes of discussion we'll say that it hypothetically exists as a possibility, even if the only purpose it serves is o be the opposite extreme. I feel like all the speculative rumors and accusations, implications and suppositions are offered up for the taking after the fact, these stretched connections are a product of the opposing force to this argument, possibly created and fed to us in order to subtract credibility form the real truth. This also seems to happen alot in other arenas; this mass misinformation tool is only one in the arsenal that can be deployed at any given time, and our leaders are no stranger to psychological tactics used to control the masses. Knowing this, it is exponentially more disturbing to uncover how many members of this global elite illuminati are in the business of purveying this aforementioned 'misinformation' to the masses i.e. through the media. Having said that, I have also disregarded most of it, because more than likely, most of it isn't true--aside from the fact that alot of it is synthesized (to coincide with the truth, along with certain fallacies) with the only goal being to discredit the original, clean, unmolested, unspun, truth.

To see you say that binLaden is enemy of your open thoughts, while also expressing the same sentiment about factions of our own government definitely raises an eyebrow over here as well. Now IF, what I have said above is true, who's the real enemy of your open thoughts?

[Muffrazr]

No argument here over enemies of open thought. This Nation was historically founded by people who grew tired of governing bodies oppressing open thought. It was also inhabited by criminals much like Australia. I have always wondered how many were actually criminals and how many were persecuted for going against the government.



You mentioned how you had to sift thru the "misinformation" in order to figure out a truth. How did you determine which bits were truth and which were put there to aid in a purposeful lie?

You know, I keep remembering Rumsfeild's quote about known knowns and unknown knowns and all that shit now. He made it kinda obvious that something's known to be unknown. What is it that they know that we don't?

[Zarathustra]

You mentioned how you had to sift thru the "misinformation" in order to figure out a truth. How did you dete mine which bits were truth and which were put there to aid in a purposeful lie?

Most of the misinformation involved elaborately drawn out claims and questionable contacts, through the air of simply drawn cunclusions that would've normally been pretty far off from reality. The truth is hard to find these days, and it's almost fun to chase, but this conclusion was arrived at through my own reasoning and facts weighing processes. But then again the word 'fact' itself is open to substantial debate on whether credibility should be ingrained into words themselves.
I'm sure this truth is among the most impossible to find, as I'm sure neither of them would be willing to talk (truthfully) about their relations past and present; and I'm sure that only they and a few people close to them know the real truth. That's why I think it's such a good lie, because it's nearly impossible to pull its card, to uncover this cover up, to unearth a deception. If they were suddenly confronted with reality and had to answer to the rule of law like everyone else, and were asked real questions; all they would have to do is tell a simple lie, that's it, story over--"get that quackhappy conspiract theorist outta here".


You know, I keep remembering Rumsfeild's quote about known knowns and unknown knowns and all that shit now. He made it kinda obvious that something's known to be unknown. What is it that they know that we don't?

A passionately flourishing democracy would topple under its own weight if its citizens knew the truth and all there is to know about their country's affairs. A well-informed society is a huge threat to any government, and the current administration embraces that fact. This is where the misinformation comes into play, and this information war can begin. There's so much information (most of which are opinions) out there, (specifically speaking, as if in one area or issue of our being) that no one person can cohesively fathom everything all at once, and couple that with the fact that some people actually despise thinking--and you have an all out information war. Our government has a wealth of information that it has and will keep behind closed doors, top secret documents and videotapes, and it's only gotten worse since 9/11. Something has to be done, and I think whoever steps into the white house after the current excuse, will have a monumental task ahead of them. To bring the entire fucking world back into a sphere and ground our logic, incite our intellect, reason through the world's problems and for good's sake be able to articulate an idea without falling on his face. Is it so much to ask for me to feel like the man that is in charge of the free world to at least appear to be educated and articulate, to the extent that it makes me feel like I have something to learn from him? We need an educated person in office, not a some good ol' boy entrepeneur with a speech impediment, bogus credentials, and a criminal record longer than mine...

[Muffrazr]

Sounds like a tall order. You're looking for someone that's well educated, yet dumb enough to run for President. LoL

How about someone with mediocre intellect, yet above average reasoning? An open-minded individual that is very independent in thought, yet works well with a team. I would imagine he would have a cabinet of advisors made up primarily of different professors or teachers, definitely no politicians. History teachers would be a high priority as to keep from repeating it.


Vote for me in 2016

[Zarathustra]

Sounds like a tall order. You're looking for someone that's well educated, yet dumb enough to run for President. LoL

How about someone with mediocre intellect, yet above average reasoning? An open-minded individual that is very independent in thought, yet works well with a team. I would imagine he would have a cabinet of advisors made up primarily of different professors or teachers, definitely no politicians. History teachers would be a high priority as to keep from repeating it.


Vote for me in 2016

Plato, in Republic, introduced the idea that the ideal leader would be one who has seen and studied the form of the good. Not just good things of objects that cause good things to come about, but the very essence of existence that makes things good. The primary candidate, one who is chock full of esoteric ethical wisdom and passion for his fellow man, brotherhood and unity for all of humanity, should be a philosopher king, and this requires over half his life to be consumed by education.

Pulled this off wiki
Plato describes the philosopher-kings' education as beginning with the general primary education until the age of eighteen and two years of intense physical training. Those performing exceedingly well receive ten years of rigorous mathematical education – because Plato believes the forms cannot be fully understood less they be tied in with the sacredness of mathematics. If successful at this stage, the student moves on to five years of training in dialectic. There is a final fifteen-year period of apprenticeship in managing the polis.

And when they are fifty years old, those who have lasted the whole course and are in every way best at everything, both in practice and in theory, must at last be led to the final goal, and must be compelled to lift up the mouth of their psyches towards that which provides light for everything, the good itself. And taking it as their model, they must put in good order both the polis and themselves for the remainder of their lives, taking turns with the others (540a4-b1).

After extensive education, the kings finally understand the form of the Good.

[Muffrazr]

If there were ever a candidate with that much determination, drive, concentration, or any other descriptive word relating to the awesome level of conscious works created, I would vote even if their ideals were different from mine.

How would that formula hold for an individual of today's world?

[Muffrazr]

I had a customer so I cut my question short.

I am assuming that in the 50 years they are away from society. I would also assume that this could have some problems down the road.

I don't mean that current trends or fads should be considered when today's information is considered for education. Current events would be a no-brainer as long as it has something to do with reality and not what some celebrity is doing.

I also see this as one side of a spectrum with the other being today's politician. Today's politician starts off in a similar fashion, but the focus quickly becomes one of appearance instead of action.

[Zarathustra]

I had a customer so I cut my question short.

I am assuming that in the 50 years they are away from society. I would also assume that this could have some problems down the road.

I don't mean that current trends or fads should be considered when today's information is considered for education. Current events would be a no-brainer as long as it has something to do with reality and not what some celebrity is doing.

I also see this as one side of a spectrum with the other being today's politician. Today's politician starts off in a similar fashion, but the focus quickly becomes one of appearance instead of action.

Couldn't agree with you more. That's the thing, politics today is so far off from what government should be, what with all these worldly pleasures out there in the world that everybody wants. These materialistic drives are only created by our modern society and the drive for power (which all too often comes in the form of currency. Ironically enough, this chase power more oft than not ends in some form of public office, with some shred of power over the people. From this standpoint, this prolonged detachment from society would inevitably prove to better the judging ability of the philosopher king, as he is altogether unchanged by norms, material wants, and stays away from all of society's appetitive tendencies. Thus, the form of the good will all but represent the man who would be wise, educated, articulate, and virtuous enough to be called a philosopher king. Plato described this perfect leader as a king because in his ideal city, the form of government would be a monarchy, with the aforementioned philosopher king at the helm--all wise, all powerful, all intelligent.


How would that formula hold for an individual of today's world?
I think it just might be what the world needs. A leader of the free world who is free himself of worldly desires. Now the question of who and how would come into fruition, this is where people start to get kind of freaked out. I haven't given it much thought, but I think that might be just what the world needs. At least a fresh start from scratch, with someone at least capable of the daunting task of presiding over 300 million people...

[Zarathustra]

I feel like all the speculative rumors and accusations, implications and suppositions are offered up for the taking after the fact, these stretched connections are a product of the opposing force to this argument, possibly created and fed to us in order to subtract credibility form the real truth.

Prime example--Micheal Moore

[Zarathustra]

ooooohhhhhhh

Controlled Opposition.

That's a good one...