Orange Peel on 08 Super Duty

[TurboCobra]

I have a white 08 Super Duty. When it is clean and under certain light/angles you notice some minor orange peel. This seems common on alot of new domestic cars these days.

Can anything be done about it?

[Nick Chapman]

You can wet sand it down, then buff and polish. Problem that you're going to run into, is most people will not touch a full wet sand job on a factory paint job. Some will, but most won't.

What you need to think about is how important is removing that orange peel to you? An 08 Superduty is a LARGE truck. So, anyone that does tackle a job like this for you, is going to charge you an arm and a leg to complete it. Remeber, this truck is white, so any gains from doing a job like this on a white vehicle, are going to be minimal compared to the cost of the job. It will look a TON better, but not as good as if it were a black, red or another darker color.


Nick

[PooterWS6]

I wouldnt bother on a white truck, like Nick said...
On a black truck id consider it, just because when(rarely) clean, it would annoy me:o


It seems alot of factory paint jobs have more orange peel in them now, and from what ive heard from a few people in the biz(and witnessed first hand) its to cover up the shitty body panels they are producing with extra dents/creases from using press dies too many times...
Chrysler has some of the worst orange peel ive seen in factory paint jobs, and sure enough take a glance down the side of the panel, youll see an extra crease or two there:p

[TurboCobra]

I agree on all points, and I agree about it being a large truck. It takes me quite a while to wash, dry and hand wax it. Longer than any other vehicle I have done in the past.

Just thought I would check to see if Nick had a miracle trick. :D

[BOOSTED32V]

I know that the Hummers have some of the worst OP I have ever seen come from a factory that builds cars. Chrysler is a close second. FORD actually probably has some of the best refinish jobs in the industrie. Now before anyone throws in M/B, BMW, AUDI, etc. Those MFG's wet/sand and polish before they leave the factory. The Japanese actually have some nice refinish jobs as well.

3M makes a W/S and Polish system called Trizact consisiting of P3000 grit wet/dry sandpaper that attaches to a 6 inch Hook-it pad on an orbital D/A sander. It also uses the 3M Foam pad (white/black) for the actual polishing, it can safely remove OP from factory paint jobs without burning through*. It is pretty expensive but well worth the time and effort. It also uses it's own brand of polishing agents.

Of course with any W/S and polishing system it is very labor intensive, though the Trizact is probably the best and easiest to use...'Henry

* As with ANY W/S and polishing system, one must be careful and meticulous when W/S and polishing either factory or aftermarket substrates, unless you have a little experiance I wouldn't try this at home...'Henry

[Boost Addict]

The reason you're seeing so much more orange peel in the domestic paint jobs as of late is due to the fact that the EPA is not allowing the mfgr's to use near as much reducer. Less reducer = less flow of the clear coat upon application = rougher finish.

[BOOSTED32V]

The reason you're seeing so much more orange peel in the domestic paint jobs as of late is due to the fact that the EPA is not allowing the mfgr's to use near as much reducer. Less reducer = less flow of the clear coat upon application = rougher finish.
Most of the European refifnsh systems don't even use reducer in their Clearcoat applications. I use Standox refinish systems in my shop and my premuim clears don't even call for reducers...'H'

[Boost Addict]

Most of the European refifnsh systems don't even use reducer in their Clearcoat applications. I use Standox refinish systems in my shop and my premuim clears don't even call for reducers...'H'

Boosted,

The premium clears you're using work better because they've already got more of the mid-level petroleum distillates in them (C8-C12 range...C12 for the really high dollar, good stuff :) ). They're formulated this way from the get go to thin out the solids and lower level distillates, and thus lower the viscosity coefficient (less resistance to flow). At your shop, you're not as heavily governed by EPA regs because you're not a large volume user like an auto mfgr.. Basically, you can do a better paint job and use the better stuff. I'll take my stuff to you rather than the factory. LOL :)

[dc91gt]

I have a black truck I just bought new. It's a chevy with tons of orange peel. What is a ballpark cost to have it done? My truck looks pretty bad and I will probably be looking at it for 5 years.

[LT12NV-420]

I've done it several times for poeple high end later model cars...If the car is daily driven, the minor orange peel will help help scratches and swirls that are inevitable..

[LT12NV-420]

Most of the European refifnsh systems don't even use reducer in their Clearcoat applications. I use Standox refinish systems in my shop and my premuim clears don't even call for reducers...'H'

As the other guy already said, its already formulated into the clear and results in lower VOC's when sprayed..

[LT12NV-420]

I have a black truck I just bought new. It's a chevy with tons of orange peel. What is a ballpark cost to have it done? My truck looks pretty bad and I will probably be looking at it for 5 years.


Depending on size of your truck, I would charge probably $250-400 to wetsand and buff/and detail when completed, But I would not reccomend it on a black truck..

[MrSS]

Like people have stated orange peel is in all factory paint jobs, the only car Ive seen without it was a Rolls Royce and a couple other limited hand built cars, I can tell you BMW, Audi, M/B dont polish the orange peel out as stated earlier they just have paint machines that atomize the air and paint better for less orange peel.

[BlackSnake1996]

A little orange peal hides a multitude of sins. ;)

[Stephen]

anyone wanna explain wtf orange peel is??

[grape]

anyone wanna explain wtf orange peel is??

go look at a new corvette lol.

[Boost Addict]

Orange peel describes the texture of a clear coat. More texture = more orange peel. It's similar in appearance to the texture of an orange peel when it's visible.

[dc91gt]

Anybody second the idea that you wouldn't wet sand a black truck like mine?

[Nick Chapman]

Anybody second the idea that you wouldn't wet sand a black truck like mine?


I wouldn't do it unless you were showing it, and needed a top quality looking paint job.

[blackjack]

I know that the Hummers have some of the worst OP I have ever seen come from a factory that builds cars. Chrysler is a close second. FORD actually probably has some of the best refinish jobs in the industrie. Now before anyone throws in M/B, BMW, AUDI, etc. Those MFG's wet/sand and polish before they leave the factory. The Japanese actually have some nice refinish jobs as well.

ye i have a hummer that looks horrible, im used to it now hhaahhaaahah

[ClockwrkOrangeS4]

ye i have a hummer that looks horrible, im used to it now hhaahhaaahah


I have to say, just casually looking at cars in traffic, Hummers have the worst factory paint jobs.

[8mpg]

anyone wanna explain wtf orange peel is??

here are some great pics of orange peel.. its just ugly texturing of the paint. Manufacturers dont take enough time to properly sand and buff it to smooth it out.


http://i161.photobucket.com/albums/t229/budice21386/DSC_0380.jpg
http://i161.photobucket.com/albums/t229/budice21386/DSC_0020.jpg

[evil jose]

Wow! I never knew what orange peel looked like. Now I know :eek:

[Stephen]

so you can wet sand and buff it to take it out?? wont that take a lot of clearoat off??

[coors2003]

i need to save my pennies and have you buff out my truck nick i have a ton of swirls ( sp) and small scratches that dirve me insane after i wash it, and i have a variable speed buffer and some good 3m compounds but i an real worried about burning it

[ruffdaddy]

What type of painting process do they use on domestic automobiles?

[8mpg]

What type of painting process do they use on domestic automobiles?
a machine sprays it....goes from one machine to another getting paint. First the base, then the clear. No sanding in between

[4.6 Love]

I always noticed OP on newer cars but didn't know what it was called, up until now.. :o

[89gt-stanger]

My fender is covers with "pits". They are about 2-4 mm in diameter and look like craters. (No they are not rock chips!)