New Jersey repeals the Death Penalty.

[Trip McNeely]

Im surprised no one has mentioned anything about this yet. Fucking bullshit. What a slap in the face to the victims of crimes, especially the poor little girl Meghan whom the "Meghan Law" was created for. :( Thoughts??

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,316760,00.html



TRENTON, N.J. — The New Jersey Assembly approved legislation Thursday to abolish the state's death penalty, making Gov. Jon S. Corzine's signature the only step left before the state becomes the first in four decades to ban executions.

Assembly members voted 44-36 to replace the death sentence with life in prison without parole. The state Senate approved the bill Monday.

Corzine, a Democrat, has said he will sign the bill within a week.

The measure would spare eight men on the state's death row, including the sex offender whose crimes sparked Megan's Law.

A special state commission found in January that the death penalty was a more expensive sentence than life in prison, hasn't deterred murder and risks killing an innocent person.

"It's time New Jersey got out of the execution business," Democratic Assemblyman Wilfredo Caraballo said. "Capital punishment is costly, discriminatory, immoral and barbaric. We're a better state than one that puts people to death."

Among the death row inmates who would be spared is Jesse Timmendequas, a sex offender convicted of murdering 7-year-old Megan Kanka in 1994. That case sparked a Megan's Law, which requires law enforcement agencies to notify the public about convicted sex offenders living in their communities.

Senate Republicans had sought to retain the death penalty for those who murder law enforcement officials, rape and murder children, and terrorists, but the Senate rejected the idea.

Democrats control the state Legislature.

The nation has executed 1,099 people since the U.S. Supreme Court reauthorized the death penalty in 1976. In 1999, 98 people were executed, the most since 1976; last year 53 people were executed, the lowest since 1996.

Iowa and West Virginia halted executions in 1965. Other states have considered abolishing the death penalty recently, but none has advanced as far as New Jersey. According to the Washington-based Death Penalty Information Center, 37 states have the death penalty.

Bills to abolish the death penalty were recently approved by a Colorado House committee, the Montana Senate and the New Mexico House. But none of those bills has advanced.

The nation's last execution was Sept. 25 in Texas. Since then, executions have been delayed pending a U.S. Supreme Court decision on whether execution through lethal injection violates the constitutional ban on cruel and unusual punishment.

[David]

As much as I like seeing criminals die, I dont think the death penalty is very effective.

[Paladin]

As a conservative who supports the death penalty, I think it is a bad trend. As a conservative who believes in states rights, I think they should be able to do whatever they think is right for their state.

The pendulum is swinging to the left with all the gay rights stuff, secular-progressive agenda in full swing, and the moveon.org crowd dying to repeat history.

[Paladin]

As much as I like seeing criminals die, I dont think the death penalty is very effective.

How about for the guy who gets executed? :rolleyes: :D

[David]

How about for the guy who gets executed? :rolleyes: :D
Meh, he still committed the crime, we're still out thousands in tax dollars, and nothing happened.

[Vertnut]

Meh, he still committed the crime, we're still out thousands in tax dollars, and nothing happened.
Yeah, but we KNOW he won't be a repeat offender. The money is only an issue because we wait so long to kill them.

[FooFooTater]

Big fucking deal! The Jersey pusses haven't killed anyone since 1963.

[Paladin]

Meh, he still committed the crime, we're still out thousands in tax dollars, and nothing happened.

He won't kill again. Hell, if we actually executed the majority of the guys who are on death row maybe it would have a bigger impact. There have been quite a few guys go to death row and laugh at how old they will be before they even have a chance of being excecuted.

I say execute all the guys who confess or refuse to appeal almost immediately, and then shorten the appeal process for the others. So far, people have been taken off death row who were not guilty, but I know of no people who have been found not guilty after they were excecuted.

I sure hope no one claims that the anti-death penalty crowd hasn't tried to find one either, or I will laugh at your ignorant ass! (not intended for any one person, just a general comment Red)

[David]

Never said I was against it, just dont think it's effective. Sure he may not be a repeat offender, but neither is the guy getting sentenced to life.

I think they need to increase the rate at which people are executed or do something about it.

Personally Im all for intensive slave labor/death camps, whatever you want to call it.

[mikeb]

I'm all for the death penalty. I think it is a shame that we don't have public executions anymore.... sends a hell of a message. There are some real pieces of shit that don't deserve to walk this earth after what they have done, and i'd rather them have to face the electric chair rather than lethal injection, and would rather the event happen quickly at that. IMO It is a shame that executions are not a matter of public record, that anyone can witness on recorded media. I say this not from a warped angle but from an angle that if some of these homeboys were able to see what gangbanging would bring them (electric chair) then they might decide it's not such a good idea.

[Slowhand]

Great news! The biggest shithole in the Union just seperated itself even further from Delaware!

Personally Im all for intensive slave labor/death camps, whatever you want to call it.
At a time when our country's infrastructure could use some serious refreshening, I'm gonna say Chain Gangs FTW!

[Trip McNeely]

Never said I was against it, just dont think it's effective. Sure he may not be a repeat offender, but neither is the guy getting sentenced to life.

I think they need to increase the rate at which people are executed or do something about it.

Personally Im all for intensive slave labor/death camps, whatever you want to call it.
Nothing is effective for people who have nothing to lose, however if it deters a few, its done its job. And it is way more cost effective than housing, paying medical, feeding, etc multiple amounts of criminals. Tax payers pay for life or death of prisoners and in the long run, death is more efficient, if you would. On top of that, why should a capital murder suspect get to live when he has taken the life of another innocent, in my mind that just isnt right. IMO.

[Slowhand]

IMO It is a shame that executions are not a matter of public record, that anyone can witness on recorded media.

exactly! we have a criminal population that isn't afraid of the death penalty. they get at least 10 years or so more to their life while sitting on death row, and then they get a painless death.

you show them a video of a guy pissing himself, throwing up, convulsing and frying on an electric chair? they'd at least be more likely to straighten up. unfortunately, our leadership has been castrated by a far too politically correct society and will never make the move to change anything, except to ban the death penalty.

[David]

Great news! The biggest shithole in the Union just seperated itself even further from Delaware!

At a time when our country's infrastructure could use some serious refreshening, I'm gonna say Chain Gangs FTW!
Way I see it, we could learn a lot from the nazis. You could run a cost effective prison/slave labor/death camp etc, and im sure it'll be much more deterent to all crime than one maximum penalty on certain crimes.

[Cooter]

As much as I like seeing criminals die, I dont think the death penalty is very effective.

it's not... criminals are going to commit crimes... and the death penalty costs us TONS

but and armed citizen can bypass the whole fucking mess!

[Trip McNeely]

it's not... criminals are going to commit crimes... and the death penalty costs us TONS

but and armed citizen can bypass the whole fucking mess!
haha I love your way of thinking Forrest. Street Justice. :)

[Fox466]

They should set up a gallery to run them through after they are convicted, irrefutably.

Then let those that they wronged to earn that conviction do as they please with/to them.

Bet that lot's of this crap would stop overnight...

[Slowhand]

it's not... criminals are going to commit crimes... and the death penalty costs us TONS

but and armed citizen can bypass the whole fucking mess!

amen!

[FooFooTater]

Yea for MR. HORN and to hell with Quanell X!

Yea for Harry Smith!!!
http://www.knoxnews.com/news/2007/dec/16/man-shoots-and-kills-fleeing-burglar/

[black01gt]

Once again I present the best argument for the death penalty. The poster boy of the reason for the death penalty, Kenneth McDuff.

With the help of his partners in crime, the Texas Parole Board and the U.S. Supreme Court he murdered 14 innocent victims...at least. There was no doubt or "grey area" with this one. Just pure politics.

"McDuff, whose first death sentence was commuted in the 1970s when the death penalty was ruled unconstitutional, is believed to be the only condemned inmate in the nation ever paroled and then returned to death row for another murder."

http://www.texnews.com/1998/texas/mcd1118.html

[black01gt]

Yea for MR. HORN and to hell with Quanell X!


Quanell couldn't care less about the two theiving meskins dead. He just wants to get his goofy fuckin name heard. Sorry Quanell, Malcolm X beat ya to it. ;)

We should all be watching this deal real close. If they try to prosecute Horn they need to be told "we ain't takin it!!!"

[FooFooTater]

Quanell couldn't care less about the two theiving meskins dead. He just wants to get his goofy fuckin name heard. Sorry Quanell, Malcolm X beat ya to it. ;)

We should all be watching this deal real close. If they try to prosecute Horn they need to be told "we ain't takin it!!!"
Dey wuzn't meskins.

[black01gt]

Dey wuzn't meskins.
Columbians, Meskins...they're all ILLEGAL wetbacks to me.

They were Columbians as I read it, apparently still living by Columbian rules until....

[Slowhand]

Columbians, Meskins...they're all ILLEGAL wetbacks to me.

They were Columbians as I read it, apparently still living by Columbian rules until....

lookout, the dfwstangs morality police are about to come and lay down the law on racism on your ass! :rolleyes:

[PWTRTXSS]

I don't think God wants us to kill. :D

[black01gt]

lookout, the dfwstangs morality police are about to come and lay down the law on racism on your ass! :rolleyes:
OK...Columbians, Mexicans...they're all "undocumented immigrants" to me.

[black01gt]

I don't think God wants us to kill. :D
I don't either, but I think the bad guys missed that message.

So...I think God helps those who help themselves.

[PWTRTXSS]

I don't either, but I think the bad guys missed that message.

So...I think God helps those who help themselves.

I think you are telling God to fuck himself. Killing is killing. If you support one form of killing, you support it all.

Society has lowered itself to the level of the animals who murder and people think the answer is to sink it even lower.

[black01gt]

I think you are telling God to fuck himself. Killing is killing. If you support one form of killing, you support it all.

Society has lowered itself to the level of the animals who murder and people think the answer is to sink it even lower.
I think you are extremely wrong. I support good guys killing bad guys when necessary. I do not support bad guys killing good guys so therefore I do not support it all.

"...God to fuck himself." You shouldn't even be saying shit like that. Shame on you! What is that, some militant Christian crap?

[TexasStreetCars.com]

What a bunch of pussies.

[Vertnut]

What a bunch of pussies.
LOL! :D

[Fox466]

What a bunch of pussies.

Who you talking to willis?

[Mustangman_2000]

I for one don't like the idea of my taxes (If I was NJ resident) subsidizing a system that pays for a vicious murdering sociopath to get 3 squares a day and access to cable. I think that's wrong on general principle and I'm a Democrat for Christ's sake.

This has always been my philosophy on the death penalty.

If the DA has a prima fascia case supported by DNA evidence, credible witnesses, and inviolable testimony. I think that the Death Penalty should be enforced to act as a deterrent for future crime and simply to ease the tax burden of supporting these animals over the course of their life's in prison.

Finally, I've always felt that the sanctimonious people that abhor the death penalty have never been a victim of a violent crime. I don't think any of these numb-nuts have every had their child raped, murdered, and dismembered by a serial killer.

None of the the family members of John Wayne Gacy's 33 victims were standing on a picket line outside the fence advocating pro-life. In fact, there were execution parties. That's the way I see it. I think we should party and drink beer when violent offenders are executed.

[Paladin]

I for one don't like the idea of my taxes (If I was NJ resident) subsidizing a system that pays for a vicious murdering sociopath to get 3 squares a day and access to cable. I think that's wrong on general principle and I'm a Democrat for Christ's sake.

This has always been my philosophy on the death penalty.

If the DA has a prima fascia case supported by DNA evidence, credible witnesses, and inviolable testimony. I think that the Death Penalty should be enforced to act as a deterrent for future crime and simply to ease the tax burden of supporting these animals over the course of their life's in prison.

Finally, I've always felt that the sanctimonious people that abhor the death penalty have never been a victim of a violent crime. I don't think any of these numb-nuts have every had their child raped, murdered, and dismembered by a serial killer.

None of the the family members of John Wayne Gacy's 33 victims were standing on a picket line outside the fence advocating pro-life. In fact, there were execution parties. That's the way I see it. I think we should party and drink beer when violent offenders are executed.

Why are you a straight ticket Democrat voter?

[AL P]

The death penalty isn't a deterrent because people don't think they will be caught. That is the psychology of crime, IE everyone thinks they are smart enough to get away with it.

I fully support the death penalty. While the odds are likely that someone innocent has been executed in this country, those are the risks you take with such a system. It is also likely that we have executed many people who have never confessed to all of their crimes. Not only that but if a person is innocent, wouldn't it be cruel and unusual to have them be locked up for life?

Bring back the firing squad. Or drawing and quartering. Now that's a way to execute someone.

[240m3srt]

I think we should party and drink beer when violent offenders are executed.

Sounds conservative to me.

[Fox466]

Why are you a straight ticket Democrat voter?

Cause he's you a year or two prior to the conversion. ;)

[TexasStreetCars.com]

Who you talking to willis?

The entire population of New Jersey.

[Paladin]

Cause he's you a year or two prior to the conversion. ;)


I hope we get him to realize the error of voting for people who don't believe in the principles he does. :D

I finally did!

[Zarathustra]

I hope we get him to realize the error of voting for people who don't believe in the principles he does. :D

I finally did!


OH you're so ENLIGHTENED!!!

[Paladin]

OH you're so ENLIGHTENED!!!

And you aren't!

[Mustangman_2000]

Why are you a straight ticket Democrat voter?

Since 1996, I have only voted straight ticket one time.

I only have strong conservative opinions on a couple of issues, violent crime being one of them.

However,.....regarding gun control, role of the government, protecting the environment, supporting a woman's right to choose, tax reform, etc.. On those types of issues, I'm 100% Democrat (Liberal). Therefore, I tend to vote for people who are like minded on the bulk of the issues.

Unfortunately, being my kind of Democrat is becoming increasingly more challenging on election day. The Democratic party is inching further to the left as time goes on. The true centrist Democrats are becoming fewer and far between.

That's kind of why I'm starting to like Rudy Giuliani. He's a socially liberal Republican that I can somewhat identify with. And even with his controversies, he's still far from a hard core leftist like Obama.

[Muffrazr]

I was surprised at how much money is being spent on death row inmates. Millions of dollars for one individual to appeal the death penalty vs. $30,000 for them to stay in prison until they die. I'm still up in arms about whether I want the death penalty to stay or not. I think the biggest deterrant for me is that we are among the countries we consider to be uncivilized because we still use the death penalty. Most other countries have abolished the death penalty.

[Mustangman_2000]

I was surprised at how much money is being spent on death row inmates. Millions of dollars for one individual to appeal the death penalty vs. $30,000 for them to stay in prison until they die. I'm still up in arms about whether I want the death penalty to stay or not. I think the biggest deterrant for me is that we are among the countries we consider to be uncivilized because we still use the death penalty. Most other countries have abolished the death penalty.

I understand that a lot of people are on the fence with this issue.

However, let me offer some perspective. Our methods of execution are a tad more civilized than other countries.

A U.S. death row inmate gets a final meal of his choice, chaplain/counseling, and opportunity for final statement. And the lethal injection process starts with just simply putting them to sleep before they arrest the heart. From their perspective there is no pain and they are just falling asleep.

VS.

Public hangings, violent beheading made in cold blood, firing squads, bludgeoning, being stoned to death, dismembering, etc....

Wanting your taxes to feed, clothe, and shelter a brutal killer for the remainder of their life has no appeal to me. Kill them and take the thousands you would have spent sustaining their worthless life's and give it to the victims family's. That's the kind of justice I would like to see.

Like I've said before, you only care about the rights of criminals when you are on the outside looking in. If you have ever spoken with someone who has lost a family member due to homicide, their paradigm is forever changed. I read an editorial one time where a bereaving father actually requested that he got to be the one that got to inject the potassium chloride into the man that killed his little girl. Obviously, that is not something that would ever be allowed. However, that's my point in a nutshell. Everything is cool as long as life is hunky dory. Humanity, tolerance, civility, benevolence, and understanding all look great on paper. ;)

[AL P]

Like I've said before, you only care about the rights of criminals when you are on the outside looking in. If you have ever spoken with someone who has lost a family member due to homicide, their paradigm is forever changed. I read an editorial one time where a bereaving father actually requested that he got to be the one that got to inject the potassium chloride into the man that killed his little girl. Obviously, that is not something that would ever be allowed. However, that's my point in a nutshell. Everything is cool as long as life is hunky dory. Humanity, tolerance, civility, benevolence, and understanding all look great on paper. ;)

Exhibit A as to this fact is present in the back porch forum everyday

[Muffrazr]

I understand that a lot of people are on the fence with this issue.

However, let me offer some perspective. Our methods of execution are a tad more civilized than other countries.

A U.S. death row inmate gets a final meal of his choice, chaplain/counseling, and opportunity for final statement. And the lethal injection process starts with just simply putting them to sleep before they arrest the heart. From their perspective there is no pain and they are just falling asleep.

VS.

Public hangings, violent beheading made in cold blood, firing squads, bludgeoning, being stoned to death, dismembering, etc....

Wanting your taxes to feed, clothe, and shelter a brutal killer for the remainder of their life has no appeal to me. Kill them and take the thousands you would have spent sustaining their worthless life's and give it to the victims family's. That's the kind of justice I would like to see.

Like I've said before, you only care about the rights of criminals when you are on the outside looking in. If you have ever spoken with someone who has lost a family member due to homicide, their paradigm is forever changed. I read an editorial one time where a bereaving father actually requested that he got to be the one that got to inject the potassium chloride into the man that killed his little girl. Obviously, that is not something that would ever be allowed. However, that's my point in a nutshell. Everything is cool as long as life is hunky dory. Humanity, tolerance, civility, benevolence, and understanding all look great on paper. ;)


I agree with most everything you have there. The only thing that I think differently about is the amount of money spent on these worthless fucks. It costs us more tax dollars to allow them to appeal than it does to house them. We have to allow them to appeal because some of the ones locked up are innocent, according to DNA testing.

The only good thing I see coming from the death penalty is the possibility of helping the victims family get over the crime.

My dad told me some figures, but I don't think they were accurate. I'll see what I can find that might be true.

[Muffrazr]

Here's the first link I found, but it looks similar to other hoaky websites, so not for sure of accuracy yet. I'll verify shortly, but here's a tease.

http://www.mindspring.com/~phporter/econ.html

[Muffrazr]

Seems to be pretty close to accurate. Here's some more:

A 2003 study in Kansas determined that capital cases cost the state 70% more per case than comparable non-capital cases, including incarceration.

A 2002 study in Indiana found that it was 38% more expensive for capital cases including incarceration, and 20% of death sentences were later resentenced to life.

A comprehensive 1993 Duke University study found that a typical capital case cost the state $2.13 million dollars more than a typical non-death penalty murder case.

A 2000 report of every execution in Florida after 1976 found that Florida spends $51 million additional dollars per year on death penalty cases compared to first-degree murder cases with life without parole. The 44 executions have cost Florida approximately $24 million each.

A 1992 Dallas Morning News article found that the average death penalty case costs $2.3 million more than incarceration in maximum for 40 years. (SunFyre's Two Cents: Coincidentally, Texas executes by far the most people, you'd think they'd get a quantity discount.) This is no longer the case.

A 1988 study found that California spends $90 million annually on death penalty cases, and $78 million of that is incurred in court costs.

Source: Death Penalty Information Center FactSheet

[Mustangman_2000]

I agree with most everything you have there. The only thing that I think differently about is the amount of money spent on these worthless fucks. It costs us more tax dollars to allow them to appeal than it does to house them. We have to allow them to appeal because some of the ones locked up are innocent, according to DNA testing.

The only good thing I see coming from the death penalty is the possibility of helping the victims family get over the crime.

My dad told me some figures, but I don't think they were accurate. I'll see what I can find that might be true.

Yep, the appeals process is costly.

That's where you can blame all of those ACLU & Amnesty International assholes.

[Paladin]

Yep, the appeals process is costly.

That's where you can blame all of those ACLU & Amnesty International assholes.

I always find it funny when the groups who are causing the huge cost of appeals will then turn around and point out the huge cost of executing someone as the reason to stop doing it. :confused:

[PWTRTXSS]

I think you are extremely wrong. I support good guys killing bad guys when necessary. I do not support bad guys killing good guys so therefore I do not support it all.

"...God to fuck himself." You shouldn't even be saying shit like that. Shame on you! What is that, some militant Christian crap?

I like how you find yourself qualified to make the distinction between good guys and bad guys when all you really need to see is human beings.

You admit to supporting the systematic extermination of human beings by "good guys". Adolf Hitler did too and people thought he was a "good guy". Some people still feel that way. There were probably some "bad guys" in the people he removed from the earth. Would that make what he did ok for you?

I think that what Hitler did was wrong just like I think that capital punishment is wrong. A human life is a human life even if a total scumbag is attached to it. When a person decides to kill another person, it is murder whether it is state sanctioned or not.

And shame on you for retyping my blasphemy.