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Mustangman_2000
12-15-2007, 12:53 AM
I'm going to something I don't think I've ever done in this forum. I'm going to credit President Bush for doing a good job in exercising diplomacy and showing restraint on this issue. In contrast to everything else happening in the global theater, this is a success story worth talking about. It doesn't fully satisfy the concerns of the folks in charge of National Security, but it is a big step forward. Hopefully, Kim Jong-il will follow through and not equivocate in the last minute.



By HELENE COOPER
Published: December 15, 2007

WASHINGTON — Responding to a recent letter from President Bush, North Korea agreed on Friday to follow through on its pledge to denuclearize the Korean Peninsula, provided the United States reciprocates by normalizing relations between the countries.

President Bush said Friday that his initial letter, which was delivered by Assistant Secretary of State Christopher R. Hill to the North Korean leader, Kim Jong-il, on Dec. 5, achieved its purpose.

“I got his attention with a letter and he can get my attention by fully disclosing his programs, including any plutonium he may have processed and converted some of that into whatever he’s used it for. We just need to know,” Mr. Bush told reporters in the Rose Garden after a cabinet meeting. “As well, he can get our attention by fully disclosing his proliferation activities.”

North Korea agreed in October to dismantle all of its nuclear facilities and to disclose all of its past and present nuclear programs by the end of the year in return for 950,000 metric tons of fuel oil or its equivalent in economic aid.

That agreement has come under fierce criticism from national security hawks, in part because it does not require North Korea to turn over its existing stockpiles of weapons-grade plutonium and any nuclear warheads it may already have produced. But many foreign policy experts point to it as a rare diplomatic success for President Bush in a period that has been dominated by frustration in Iran, Afghanistan, Pakistan and the Middle East.

“An important step is a full declaration of programs, materials that may have been developed to create weapons, as well as the proliferation activities of the regime,” Mr. Bush said.

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/12/15/washington/15korea.html?ref=world

D
12-15-2007, 01:04 AM
Good shit. What's even more surprising is that the NY Times actually reported it.

black01gt
12-15-2007, 08:38 AM
Any math wizards know the dollar value of 950,000 metric tons of fuel oil?

Geor!
12-15-2007, 10:05 AM
Any math wizards know the dollar value of 950,000 metric tons of fuel oil?
You than you or I will make in our lifetimes.

thesource
12-15-2007, 01:07 PM
Any math wizards know the dollar value of 950,000 metric tons of fuel oil?

Its just another check that we can't cover come pay day so who cares .........

Fox466
12-15-2007, 03:31 PM
Its just another check that we can't cover come pay day so who cares .........


Bingo!

This country will never be solvent...

Also it was said a year ago on here that this is his pattern. Make a nuisance of himself and settle for shitloads of money. Looks like it worked again. What number is this, four?

Denny
12-17-2007, 06:19 AM
I think one nuke over NK would cost less.

D
12-17-2007, 06:42 AM
I think one nuke over NK would cost less.

Either that or 1ea MOAB over the residence of Kim Jong Il.

Denny
12-17-2007, 06:45 AM
See... I was under the understanding that we did NOT negotiate with terrorists. Anyone that calls him anything less is extremely ignorant.

AL P
12-17-2007, 08:33 AM
Oh look, 1994 is back.

futant
12-17-2007, 08:58 AM
Kim Jong really is a wacko.
One bullet = way cheaper

Why are we negoiating for info? Aren't we supposed to have the best intelligence agency?

JP135
12-17-2007, 09:19 AM
Make a nuisance of himself and settle for shitloads of money. Looks like it worked again. What number is this, four?

Amen to that. It pays off like a slot machine. Why change if you've got a winning game plan?

Paladin
12-17-2007, 09:35 AM
See... I was under the understanding that we did NOT negotiate with terrorists. Anyone that calls him anything less is extremely ignorant.

I bet those who want us to negotiate with terrorists, other than MM2000, will not speak up if this goes bad and admit how stupid it is.

There is no negotiating with terrorists, because negotiations are pointless if there is not sincerity and integrity in the negotiations. Terrorists have no honor, sincerity, or integrity.

Denny
12-17-2007, 10:15 AM
I bet those who want us to negotiate with terrorists, other than MM2000, will not speak up if this goes bad and admit how stupid it is.

There is no negotiating with terrorists, because negotiations are pointless if there is not sincerity and integrity in the negotiations. Terrorists have no honor, sincerity, or integrity.
Seeing that we already tried this before as well...

Paladin
12-17-2007, 11:45 AM
Seeing that we already tried this before as well...

There is some saying about ignoring history and being doomed to repeat it, something to that effect. :cool:

TexasStreetCars.com
12-17-2007, 11:53 AM
Probably what is going to happen is Kim will take our $$$ and use it to hide his new nuke program.

Mustangman_2000
12-21-2007, 06:45 PM
The plot thickens.........

WASHINGTON — North Korea recently turned over to the United States equipment found to be contaminated with traces of highly enriched uranium — HEU — apparently contradicting the country's stance that it never had such a program, FOX News has confirmed.

The equipment was described as a set of "smelted aluminum tubes" suitable for an HEU centrifuge program, a step necessary to make a nuclear weapon.

"They got some 'splainin' to do," one U.S. arms control official said when first told of the discovery about a month ago, he recalled to FOX.

However, North Korea claims the tubes were intended for use in the development of a conventional "artillery" weapon, sources told FOX News.

As part of a six-nation disarmament deal, North Korea is disabling its Yongbyon nuclear reactor and related nuclear facilities, and is obligated to provide a "complete and correct" declaration of all their nuclear programs, weapons, and materiel by Dec. 31.

American officials anxiously have been waiting to see whether, and to what extent, the North Koreans will acknowledge the existence of their HEU program, about which the United States first confronted Pyongyang in October 2002.

The Koreans initially admitted to having an HEU program, said Mike Green, a former National Security Council staff aide who was present for the October 2002.

"It was in several sentences in a way that they were talking about it as if it existed," Green said. He summed up the initial North Korean response as: "If you want to negotiate about it, we have more — even more powerful programs. We have the right to this."

State Department spokesman Sean McCormack has confirmed as much.

During the October 2002 talks, U.S. officials "repeatedly asked, 'Are you actually saying that you have a highly enriched uranium program?' And the answer back was 'yes,' " McCormack told reporters Feb. 23.

But not long after that meeting five years ago, the North Koreans retracted their story and reverted to a stance of completely denying they ever had an HEU program.

Green told FOX News he believes the data supporting the existence of the North Korean HEU program: It was not like the intelligence on Iraq's weapons of mass destruction, and that there was no dissent from any quarter of the American intelligence community about the HEU program.

The Washington Post originally reported Friday that uranium traces were found on the North Korean tubes. http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,317899,00.html

Paladin
12-21-2007, 08:55 PM
The plot thickens.........

This news would only surprise those who advocate negotiating with terrorists or evil leaders of rogue nations. Some will never learn these types of people can not be trusted to be honest.