Nostradamus : Prophet or Coincidence?

[Osiris]

I posted this here because I wanted to keep this discussion civil.

I've been doing some reading on Nostradamus. This Quatrain stood out.
Obviously in his time, the astronomers didn't know that stars had a life and death (as far as I know) When the sun dies out, it will grow large enough to swallow Earth.



When twenty years of the Moon's reign have passed
another will take up his reign for seven thousand years.
When the exhausted Sun takes up his cycle
then my prophecy and threats will be accomplished.</pre>
Or was his writing in general, so open to interpretation, could mean anything? Meaning, one person reads a Quatrain, and says, hey this already happened?

[SlowLX]

I posted this here because I wanted to keep this discussion civil.

I've been doing some reading on Nostradamus. This Quatrain stood out.
Obviously in his time, the astronomers didn't know that stars had a life and death (as far as I know) When the sun dies out, it will grow large enough to swallow Earth.



When twenty years of the Moon's reign have passed
another will take up his reign for seven thousand years.
When the exhausted Sun takes up his cycle
then my prophecy and threats will be accomplished.</pre>
Or was his writing in general, so open to interpretation, could mean anything? Meaning, one person reads a Quatrain, and says, hey this already happened?
bingo... in my eyes anyways

[BrianC]

I posted this here because I wanted to keep this discussion civil.

I've been doing some reading on Nostradamus. This Quatrain stood out.
Obviously in his time, the astronomers didn't know that stars had a life and death (as far as I know) When the sun dies out, it will grow large enough to swallow Earth.



When twenty years of the Moon's reign have passed
another will take up his reign for seven thousand years.
When the exhausted Sun takes up his cycle
then my prophecy and threats will be accomplished.</pre>
Or was his writing in general, so open to interpretation, could mean anything? Meaning, one person reads a Quatrain, and says, hey this already happened?

When studying into Nostradamus, I found out that many people have faked a bunch of his stuff in order to make it sound like he's accurate on things. When in reality, he either never said anything like what we read, or people mistransted his stuff purposely to say something completely different in English. Lots of fabrication done. It's very hard to find sites online that have none of these fabricated prophecies of his.

All of his prophecies are extremely broad and open, just like any psychic, so that anyone can make it say what they want to. Read enough of his stuff and you'll see. It's WIDE open. A lot of people's interpretations of these prophecies and the fulfillments are way out in left feild, really stretching to make things fit. God says He is the only one that can tell the future, and that if someone's prophecy does not get fulfilled 100%, he is a false prophet and we are to stone him. So when demons are giving these prophecies, they will be very broad so that no one will say, "He was wrong on that, so he was obviously a false prophet." It's just another way to be distracted from God and get people believing in psychic activity (things other than trusting God).

[Brain_Mach1]

The thing about prophecies is that it help to understand them before something happens.

Like Jonah warning the people of Ninevah (sp). They understood him, they changed there ways and avoided disaster.

Or the path of so many other prothets ignored and bad things happen.

Nostradamus' "predictions" have not been helped to avoid any disaster that I am aware of.

[BrianC]

The thing about prophecies is that it help to understand them before something happens.

Like Jonah warning the people of Ninevah (sp). They understood him, they changed there ways and avoided disaster.

Or the path of so many other prothets ignored and bad things happen.

Nostradamus' "predictions" have not been helped to avoid any disaster that I am aware of.

What's interesting is that the Jews got warnings from the prophets, but the Jews never listened. And God knew full well when He prophecied that stuff, the Jews wouldn't listen and those prophecies would come to pass.

Yet, He warns the Ninevites and they heed the warning. lol

However, the prophecies about the end time were never meant to avoid disaster. They were meant to warn about what's coming, and to let us know that it's in our best interest to choose Jesus so we are protected during those last days and don't end up taking a mark of the beast or something like that (depending on your prophetic view, of course).

I've always thought the movies are funny that say, "A meteorite is supposed to hit the earth, and it's prophecied in the Bible. NASA see's the meteorite and we must survive it!" (Not that there's an actual meteorite prophecied) I find it hilarioius how mankind thinks they can beat God. God said things will happen in the end time, and nothing can change God's word. He didn't say it wouldn't happen if she change. He said it WILL happen. Hollywood cracks me up...

[flashstang04]

The bad part about prophecy (at least God's prophecy) is that man always looks back and says, "look what happened, it must be true", instead of trusting God first and preparing their souls for what WILL happen.

We are so quick to look back and find truth, but not so quick to look forward and trust truth.

[poopnut2]

It's Bullshit. You can take many things that have already happened and interpret them in many works of literature and say "Oooh, that must have been what he was talking about."

[ClockwrkOrangeS4]

When studying into Nostradamus, I found out that many people have faked a bunch of his stuff in order to make it sound like he's accurate on things. When in reality, he either never said anything like what we read, or people mistransted his stuff purposely to say something completely different in English. Lots of fabrication done. It's very hard to find sites online that have none of these fabricated prophecies of his.

All of his prophecies are extremely broad and open, just like any psychic, so that anyone can make it say what they want to. Read enough of his stuff and you'll see. It's WIDE open. A lot of people's interpretations of these prophecies and the fulfillments are way out in left feild, really stretching to make things fit. God says He is the only one that can tell the future, and that if someone's prophecy does not get fulfilled 100%, he is a false prophet and we are to stone him. So when demons are giving these prophecies, they will be very broad so that no one will say, "He was wrong on that, so he was obviously a false prophet." It's just another way to be distracted from God and get people believing in psychic activity (things other than trusting God).

Sounds a lot like the bible and all that stuff that "happened".

Personally I think Nostradamus is a joke.

[10sec302]

Sounds a lot like the bible and all that stuff that "happened".

Personally I think Nostradamus is a joke.


Agreed. There was a website I looked on not too long ago where a guy basically broke Nostradamus down and showed how much of a fake he was. I read that less than 25% of what he predicted came true and what he did predict was so far off that it was obvious that he was nowhere close to being accurate.

For instance...

Nostradamus, the most famous astrologer who ever lived, was born in France in 1503 and published his barely scrutable collection of prophecies, The Centuries, in 1555.

If the aftermaths of past catastrophes are any indication, in the coming weeks and months we can expect a bumber crop of arcane tracts purporting to show beyond doubt that Nostradamus foresaw the World Trade Center and Pentagon attacks of September 11, 2001. In fact, thanks to the efforts of anonymous Internet pranksters, the he-told-you-sos have already begun. "Spooky" quatrains allegedly foretelling the events of 9/11 with incredible specificity were circulating online within hours of the first jetliner crash in New York City — completely bogus quatrains, as it turned out. It wasn't a question of whether or not they accurately predicted anything; Nostradamus simply didn't write them.

New York, the 'City of God'???

The first quatrain to hit email inboxes on 9/11 contained the prediction that a "great thunder" would be heard in the "City of God":

"In the City of God there will be a great thunder, Two brothers torn apart by Chaos, while the fortress endures, the great leader will succumb",
The third big war will begin when the big city is burning"
- Nostradamus 1654


Ummmm.........if Nostradamus was born in in 1503 and made that prediction in 1654, he would have been 151 years old...... :rolleyes:

[BrianC]

Sounds a lot like the bible and all that stuff that "happened".

Personally I think Nostradamus is a joke.

Are you saying that the Bible "stuff" never happened? It sounds like a condescending remark. No offense taken. Just want to know what your statement meant so it can be properly responded to.

I find it interesting how the Bible predicts that in 724BC, the 10 tribes (Ephraim [aka - Israel]) will be dispersed into the nations and then 2500 years later will be planted in a pleasant land, guarded from the evil one by water, and that is found to the west of Israel. 724BC + 2500 = 1776AD, the year the United States became a nation at the signing of the Decloration of Independence.

I find it interesting that in 552BC a 2500 year prophecy in Daniel was given about Judah (Judah & Benjamin, the remaning two tribes). It talks about Judah being dispersed into the nations eventually, then when the scattering is finished (ie. - no more scattering), it will be 2500 years later. 552BC + 2500 years = 1948AD, the year Israel became a nation again without any Gentile powers ruling over them in 2500 years (or more, actually).

I find it interesting how the temple mount is discussed regarding Gentile control, and how it will be a 2500 year period from 533BC when the prophecy is given to the time the Gentiles no longer control the temple mount. -533BC + 2500 yrs = 1967, the year the Jews regained control of the temple mount with no Gentile control. They took it back from the Muslims in the six day war in 1967.

I find it interesting how a 1290 Hebrew year prophecy is given in Daniel (1271.533 solar years), and is said to start in 583BC, and ends 1271.533 years later in 688AD. The prophecy is about the ending of the sacrifices on the temple mount, and the setting up of the Abomination of Desolation on the temple mount. From one to the other, it's exactly 1271 years.

I find it interesting that if you look at the 42 months prophecy about the Two Witnesses that starts with the Abomination of Desolation, it comes out on another significant date. 42 months (each day equals a year prophetically, according to the Bible) of 30.44 day months (365.24 divided by 12 months = 30.44) equals 1278.48 years. Take 688.533AD and add 1278.48 years and you get 1967AD, the year the temple mount came back under Jewish control.

Now, I see all of those prophecies (and there are 13 total, though I've only listed a few of them) and I think to myself that it's a statistical impossibiliti that every one of these prophecies came true right to the year. God had to have done it. And we were told ahead of time. That kind of prophecy is dead on accurate. The Bible was finished around 90-95AD. The prophecies that were fulfilled hudreds and hundreds of years later are confirmation that this really was God's book and His prophecies.

Don't know what you were suggesting about the Bible, but what I just showed is plenty of proof of it's legitimacy.