So....

[mikeb]

How have we gotten from this:

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to this:


"Despite what I view is your rather extraordinary efforts in your testimony both yesterday and today," said Clinton, "I think that the reports that you provide to us really require a willing suspension of disbelief."


http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/2007/09/giuliani-clinto.html

We are a different country now than we were on 9/12; so divided with people willing to put political agendas ahead of the good of the country (clinton, biden). I pray that hillary does not get elected. The vitriol I see politically is killing our country.

[jakesford]

lol I think its funny how for about a year after 9/11/01 people really were more united but that has quickly faded...

Hilary is just following her fellow democrats in their continued protest of the war or any part of it. Honestly if the roles were reversed, the republicans would be doing the same thing... Its not a matter of being "conservative" or "liberal", the only thing that our politicians are united on is being a "politician"... They will do and or say what ever they believe is necessary to maintain their position or be elected to a position.

[Sean88gt]

I pray that the American people aren't dumb enough to vote for her.

We need to go back to being countrymen and not defined by our agendas. Frustrating my friend, very frustrating:(

[mikeb]

I am absolutely disgusted at the cowardly "leadership" our country now has. A senator with no military experience and certainly no on the spot experience calling a respected general who has been there a "liar' is beyond comprehension. Biden said that he was "flat wrong". How the hell does he know? And the enemy sees this; and it strengthens them. We should have flattened Afghanistan and any other country friendly to terrorists after 9/11 to send a message. This just seems so unamerican to me.

[ayzo]

The reason we are so divided is that people's minds have been polluted with misinformation, not about the issues but about the people who believe in those issues. You see it all the time on liberal blogs saying Bush is a nazi and that republicans want to just kill or deport whatever scares them. Then you hear the conservative talk shows saying democrats hate the soldiers and want terrorists to take control over America. None of these accusations are true but both sides have 1 goal in common, colluding patriotism. Both will argue to the death that if you don't support their positions or even begin to question what they say that you must be un-American, but don't expect this divide to end anytime soon. Your Micheal Moore's and Ann Coulter's make much more money and have much higher ratings when everybody is focused on attacking each other instead of finding real solutions.

[Mustangman_2000]

lol I think its funny how for about a year after 9/11/01 people really were more united but that has quickly faded...


I too find that to be a sad aspect of this situation. All of the post 9/11 flag buying patriotism was indeed fleeting. And in the last few years has turned to indifference for a lot of people.

[Fox466]

It is indeed interesting to witness the apathy that is so visible in our country. Our leadership is now and will continue to be a joke, and are making decisions on many fronts that would seem to have outcomes to the detriment of us all. Illegal aliens and the lack of any sort of unified front on stopping that crisis is but one example, and an issue that will have a much more pronounced and immediate negative effect on us all.


If they were able to look at our current state of leadership our fore fathers would no doubt roll in their graves...

[Denny]

The problem is that we have too many bandwagoneers and not enough self-thinking individuals. They jumped on it to oppose terrorism, then they jumped off when things didn't go their way. Oh ya, a few catch a ride on it when the anniversary rools around as well. :rolleyes:

[jones4stangs]

President Bush took the momentum of 9/11 and Afghanistan and steered it into a grand plan of reshaping the Middle East. The invasion and reconstruction of Iraq has split American opinion and lost the nation momentum that resulted from 9/11. There is no getting it back.

[AL P]

She's got to spew some kind of bullshit to save face. The Dems repeatedly said that the troop "surge" wouldn't work and they've been proven wrong. It doesn't matter how you look at things over there, it improved things even if it was a very slight improvement.

Not only that but the general said the ugly, ugly truth of the matter that anyone with any common sense at all knows, IE, if U.S. forces leave it will be a fucking disaster over there. A god damned bloodbath. Even the NY Times has acknowledged that fact. So now we have to listen to the assholes who promised to end this war to get elected try to save face and not look like the fucking liars that we all know they are.

[black01gt]

President Bush took the momentum of 9/11 and Afghanistan and steered it into a grand plan of reshaping the Middle East. The invasion and reconstruction of Iraq has split American opinion and lost the nation momentum that resulted from 9/11. There is no getting it back.
Yep. I think making a bloody pulp of Bin Laden would have gone a lot further towards reshaping the middle east, but other agendas blocked that logic. I really hate the message we've sent the real terrorist through out the world.

What do OJ and Bin Laden have in common? ;)

They each got away with dispicable crimes. Watching BUSH/CHENEY handle the response to 9-11 is like watching Johnny Cochren handle the OJ trial.

We're not apathetic. We're helpless.

[Denny]

President Bush took the momentum of 9/11 and Afghanistan and steered it into a grand plan of reshaping the Middle East. The invasion and reconstruction of Iraq has split American opinion and lost the nation momentum that resulted from 9/11. There is no getting it back.
Well, then there's people like me who won't be swayed by anything else that's going on to chance the way I feel since September 11th. Sorry to hear that politics got the best of you.

[Denny]

Yep. I think making a bloody pulp of Bin Laden would have gone a lot further towards reshaping the middle east, but other agendas blocked that logic. I really hate the message we've sent the real terrorist through out the world.

What do OJ and Bin Laden have in common? ;)

They each got away with dispicable crimes. Watching BUSH/CHENEY handle the response to 9-11 is like watching Johnny Cochren handle the OJ trial.

We're not apathetic. We're helpless.
LMAO @ comparing OJ to Bin Laden... did Nancy or Hillary teach you that one?

He hasn't gotten away with shit. I don't consider having to cower in hiding for the last 6 years to avoid termination, "getting away with it."

[Fox466]

Yep. I think making a bloody pulp of Bin Laden would have gone a lot further towards reshaping the middle east, but other agendas blocked that logic.

Would you mind going over there and pointing out which cave in the thousands of square miles of nothing and hundreds of caves he's hiding in? We could certainly use the help and would appreciate it oh so much...


:rolleyes:

[AL P]

Yep. I think making a bloody pulp of Bin Laden would have gone a lot further towards reshaping the middle east, but other agendas blocked that logic. I really hate the message we've sent the real terrorist through out the world.

What do OJ and Bin Laden have in common? ;)

They each got away with dispicable crimes. Watching BUSH/CHENEY handle the response to 9-11 is like watching Johnny Cochren handle the OJ trial.

We're not apathetic. We're helpless.

I do agree with Black01GT on one thing and that is the fact that we should have invaded Pakistan long ago. I guess after the asshole pulls off another attack we will have the balls to do it.

[Paladin]

I do agree with Black01GT on one thing and that is the fact that we should have invaded Pakistan long ago. I guess after the asshole pulls off another attack we will have the balls to do it.

They don't have the stomach to support the attacks of Afghanistan and Iraq that they voted for, why would anyone trust them to support going into Pakistan if it takes more than 3-4 days? I love liberals like black01gt who say attack Pakistan while he is forgetting how he and his liberal friends all supported going into Iraq before we did.

<----Waits for black01gt to come in and say he didn't support going into Iraq. LOL