So the Izzies did hit Syria

[ALLAN]

U.S. Confirms Israeli Strikes Hit Syrian Target Last Week
By MARK MAZZETTI and HELENE COOPER
WASHINGTON, Sept. 11 — After days of silence from the Israeli government, American officials confirmed Tuesday that Israeli warplanes launched airstrikes inside Syria last week, the first such attack since 2003.

A Defense Department official said Israeli jets had struck at least one target in northeastern Syria last Thursday, but the official said it was still unclear exactly what the jets hit and the extent of the bombing damage.

Syria has lodged a protest at the United Nations in response to the airstrike, accusing Israel of “flagrant violation” of its airspace. But Israel’s government has repeatedly declined to comment on the matter.

Officials in Washington said that the most likely targets of the raid were weapons caches that Israel’s government believes Iran has been sending the Lebanese militant group Hezbollah through Syria. Iran and Syria are Hezbollah’s primary benefactors, and American intelligence officials say a steady flow of munitions from Iran runs through Syria and into Lebanon.

In the summer of 2006, during fighting between Israeli and Hezbollah forces, the militant group fired hundreds of missiles into Israel, surprising Israel with the extent and sophistication of its arsenal. Israel has tried repeatedly to get the United Nations to prevent the arms shipments across the Syria-Lebanon border.

One Bush administration official said Israel had recently carried out reconnaissance flights over Syria, taking pictures of possible nuclear installations that Israeli officials believed might have been supplied with material from North Korea. The administration official said Israeli officials believed that North Korea might be unloading some of its nuclear material on Syria.

“The Israelis think North Korea is selling to Iran and Syria what little they have left,” the official said. He said it was unclear whether the Israeli strike had produced any evidence that might validate that belief.
The officials spoke on condition of anonymity because they were discussing a military action by another government.

In a letter circulated to members of the Security Council on Tuesday, Syria’s ambassador to the United Nations, Bashar Jaafari, said Israel dropped munitions though they did not cause any “material damage.”

Syria made its protest via Qatar, the Arab representative on the Security Council, United Nations officials said. Security Council representatives discussed the issue on Tuesday, but did not come to any conclusions.

Neither Israel nor the United States has spoken publicly on the airstrikes. The State Department spokesman, Sean D. McCormack, referred all questions to Israel and Syria, and a spokesman for the Israeli Embassy in Washington declined to comment.

Tensions between Israel and Syria have escalated over the past year, since the end of the Israel-Hezbollah war in Lebanon, and both countries remain in a heightened state of alert along their common border.

Syria’s president, Bashar al-Assad, has said that if Israel is not willing to resume negotiations for the return of the Golan Heights, which Israel captured in the 1967 Arab-Israeli war, the alternative would be to try to regain the territory by force.

Formal peace talks between Israel and Syria broke down in 2000.

[jones4stangs]

Here's a couple other angles to the same story:

1)
http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20070911/wl_mideast_afp/mideastconflictsyria_070911184454;_ylt=AkWhFaK.FFG dIobg5aCXYAC9F4l4
CNN, which earlier reported on the strike, said the strike was believed to have targeted weapons either coming into Syria or moving through Syria from Iran to the Iranian-backed Hezbollah militia in Lebanon.

2)
http://www.debka.com/article.php?aid=1301
The purported Israeli air force flights over the Pantsyr-S1E site established that the new Russian missiles, activated for the first time in the Middle East, are effective and dangerous but can be disarmed. Western military sources attribute to those Israeli or other air force planes superior electronics for jamming the Russian missile systems, but stress nonetheless that they were extremely lucky to get away unharmed, or at worst, with damage minor enough for a safe return to base.

[mardyn]

Here's another link...

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3448829,00.html

this could be the start of some serious action by the Israeli military... and you can bet that they won't be hamstrung by a bunch of politicians.

Let the ass kicking begin. :cool:

mardyn

[AL P]

Syria is just like the other Arabs, they talk a big game but they don't really want any of the Jews. We all know what happened the last time they tried to fight the Jews in a real war. LOL

[Denny]

Syria is just like the other Arabs, they talk a big game but they don't really want any of the Jews. We all know what happened the last time they tried to fight the Jews in a real war. LOL
I must have blinked and missed it. LOL

[TexasDevilDog]

I must have blinked and missed it. LOL

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Six_days_war

Were you born yet?

Cliff notes.
Israel Vs. Eygpt, Syria, Jordan, Iraq.

Israel kicked their asses in Six days.

Isreal
779 killed,
2,563 wounded,
15 prisoners,
19 aircraft lost
(official casualties)

Others
21,000 killed,
45,000 wounded,
6,000 prisoners
over 400 aircraft destroyed
(estimates)

[SlowLX]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Six_days_war

Were you born yet?

Cliff notes.
Israel Vs. Eygpt, Syria, Jordan, Iraq.

Israel kicked their asses in Six days.

Isreal
779 killed,
2,563 wounded,
15 prisoners,
19 aircraft lost
(official casualties)

Others
21,000 killed,
45,000 wounded,
6,000 prisoners
over 400 aircraft destroyed
(estimates)
Not the most recent war..... just saying :p

[SlowLX]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Six_days_war

Were you born yet?

Cliff notes.
Israel Vs. Eygpt, Syria, Jordan, Iraq.

Israel kicked their asses in Six days.

Isreal
779 killed,
2,563 wounded,
15 prisoners,
19 aircraft lost
(official casualties)

Others
21,000 killed,
45,000 wounded,
6,000 prisoners
over 400 aircraft destroyed
(estimates)
Unless you're talking syrian involvement, then Ill concede to your point....I really just want a pb and j

[Denny]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Six_days_war

Were you born yet?

Cliff notes.
Israel Vs. Eygpt, Syria, Jordan, Iraq.

Israel kicked their asses in Six days.

Isreal
779 killed,
2,563 wounded,
15 prisoners,
19 aircraft lost
(official casualties)

Others
21,000 killed,
45,000 wounded,
6,000 prisoners
over 400 aircraft destroyed
(estimates)
That's what I meant. It went rather quickly. Not as quick as the next big one, but pretty fucking quick.

[ALLAN]

Turkish intelligence assisted IDF in attack on Syria – report


Kuwaiti newspaper says Turkish intelligence provided Israel with information on targets Air Force allegedly attacked last week without Turkish government's authorization

Roee Nahmias Published: 09.13.07, 16:11 / Israel News

www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3449145,00.html


Turkish intelligence provided Israel with information on the Syrian targets allegedly attacked by the Air Force last week without the Turkish government's authorization, Kuwaiti newspaper Al-Jareeda reported Thursday.


Al-Jareeda quoted several sources as saying that Israel and senior Turkish military personnel coordinated Israel's invasion of Turkish airspace during the operation to send a message to the ruling Justice and Development party, or AKP. Senior military officials in Turkey, most of whom are secular, oppose the Islamist party's platform.



According to the sources, AKP member and newly-elected President Abdullah Gul is not doing enough to prevent the transfer of arms from Iran to terror groups in Syria and Lebanon via Turkey.



However, the London-based Arabic newspaper al-Sharq al-Awsat reported that IDF Chief of Staff Gabi Ashkenazi refused to take a call from his Turkish counterpart, who asked for clarifications on the attack.



An Israeli diplomatic source said last Saturday that Turkey asked Israel for clarifications after finding two fuel tanks on its territory near the Syrian border allegedly belonging to Israeli warplanes,



Furthermore, Turkey's top-selling Hurriyet newspaper carried photographs of what it said were fuel tanks jettisoned by Israeli F-15Is sent to gather intelligence on Syrian installations near the Turkish border.

[Denny]

The Turks will turn on them in a heartbeat, though.

[BP]

In the red corner we have Venezuela, North Korea, Cuba, Syria and Iran. And in the white corner we have the undisputed heavy weight champion of the world, the United States of America and their allies.

Let's get ready to rumble!

[Denny]

In the red corner we have Venezuela, North Korea, Cuba, Syria and Iran. And in the white corner we have the undisputed heavy weight champion of the world, the United States of America and their allies.

Let's get ready to rumble!
And their allies... ya right. The US and Israel vs. the world. (Oh ya, we got the UK and the Aussies holding our towel)

[SlowLX]

And their allies... ya right. The US and Israel vs. the world. (Oh ya, we got the UK and the Aussies holding our towel)
I'd rather have the small force of Royal Marines over the entire National Gaurd, I most of em are nothing more than cannon fodder. Now Ill take the active guys still though theyre cool in my book. But I'll still never let it go that the national gaurd fucks from north dakota or wherever shot as US :mad:

[thesource]

Just another day in paradise .......

[JP135]

national gaurd fucks from north dakota or wherever shot as US

Thought you were haji?

[TexasDevilDog]

Unless you're talking syrian involvement, then Ill concede to your point....I really just want a pb and j

Was the discussion on Syria? :confused:

[SlowLX]

Thought you were haji?
apparently fucking faggots

[SlowLX]

Was the discussion on Syria? :confused:
no, but al p mentioned about what happened the last time arabs fought israel, and you and denny assumed the 6 day war. Although it wasn't the most recent Arab Israeli war. There was the yom kippur war as well as Israeli involvement and occupation of souther lebanon for quite a few years

[ALLAN]

Secret raid on Korean shipmentUzi Mahnaimi in Tel Aviv, Sarah Baxter in Washington and Michael Sheridan

www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/middle_east/article2461421.ece

IT was just after midnight when the 69th Squadron of Israeli F15Is crossed the Syrian coast-line. On the ground, Syria’s formidable air defences went dead. An audacious raid on a Syrian target 50 miles from the Iraqi border was under way.

At a rendezvous point on the ground, a Shaldag air force commando team was waiting to direct their laser beams at the target for the approaching jets. The team had arrived a day earlier, taking up position near a large underground depot. Soon the bunkers were in flames.

Ten days after the jets reached home, their mission was the focus of intense speculation this weekend amid claims that Israel believed it had destroyed a cache of nuclear materials from North Korea.

The Israeli government was not saying. “The security sources and IDF [Israeli Defence Forces] soldiers are demonstrating unusual courage,” said Ehud Olmert, the prime minister. “We naturally cannot always show the public our cards.”

The Syrians were also keeping mum. “I cannot reveal the details,” said Farouk al-Sharaa, the vice-president. “All I can say is the military and political echelon is looking into a series of responses as we speak. Results are forthcoming.” The official story that the target comprised weapons destined for Hezbollah, the Iranian-backed Lebanese Shi’ite group, appeared to be crumbling in the face of widespread scepticism.

Andrew Semmel, a senior US State Department official, said Syria might have obtained nuclear equipment from “secret suppliers”, and added that there were a “number of foreign technicians” in the country.

Asked if they could be North Korean, he replied: “There are North Korean people there. There’s no question about that.” He said a network run by AQ Khan, the disgraced creator of Pakistan’s nuclear weapons, could be involved.

But why would nuclear material be in Syria? Known to have chemical weapons, was it seeking to bolster its arsenal with something even more deadly?

Alternatively, could it be hiding equipment for North Korea, enabling Kim Jong-il to pretend to be giving up his nuclear programme in exchange for economic aid? Or was the material bound for Iran, as some authorities in America suggest?

According to Israeli sources, preparations for the attack had been going on since late spring, when Meir Dagan, the head of Mossad, presented Olmert with evidence that Syria was seeking to buy a nuclear device from North Korea.

The Israeli spy chief apparently feared such a device could eventually be installed on North-Korean-made Scud-C missiles.

“This was supposed to be a devastating Syrian surprise for Israel,” said an Israeli source. “We’ve known for a long time that Syria has deadly chemical warheads on its Scuds, but Israel can’t live with a nuclear warhead.”

An expert on the Middle East, who has spoken to Israeli participants in the raid, told yesterday’s Washington Post that the timing of the raid on September 6 appeared to be linked to the arrival three days earlier of a ship carrying North Korean material labelled as cement but suspected of concealing nuclear equipment.

The target was identified as a northern Syrian facility that purported to be an agricultural research centre on the Euphrates river. Israel had been monitoring it for some time, concerned that it was being used to extract uranium from phosphates.

According to an Israeli air force source, the Israeli satellite Ofek 7, launched in June, was diverted from Iran to Syria. It sent out high-quality images of a northeastern area every 90 minutes, making it easy for air force specialists to spot the facility.

Early in the summer Ehud Barak, the defence minister, had given the order to double Israeli forces on its Golan Heights border with Syria in anticipation of possible retaliation by Damascus in the event of air strikes.

Sergei Kirpichenko, the Russian ambassador to Syria, warned President Bashar al-Assad last month that Israel was planning an attack, but suggested the target was the Golan Heights.

Israeli military intelligence sources claim Syrian special forces moved towards the Israeli outpost of Mount Hermon on the Golan Heights. Tension rose, but nobody knew why.

At this point, Barak feared events could spiral out of control. The decision was taken to reduce the number of Israeli troops on the Golan Heights and tell Damascus the tension was over. Syria relaxed its guard shortly before the Israeli Defence Forces struck.

Only three Israeli cabinet ministers are said to have been in the know � Olmert, Barak and Tzipi Livni, the foreign minister. America was also consulted. According to Israeli sources, American air force codes were given to the Israeli air force attaché in Washington to ensure Israel’s F15Is would not mistakenly attack their US counterparts.

Once the mission was under way, Israel imposed draconian military censorship and no news of the operation emerged until Syria complained that Israeli aircraft had violated its airspace. Syria claimed its air defences had engaged the planes, forcing them to drop fuel tanks to lighten their loads as they fled.

But intelligence sources suggested it was a highly successful Israeli raid on nuclear material supplied by North Korea.

Washington was rife with speculation last week about the precise nature of the operation. One source said the air strikes were a diversion for a daring Israeli commando raid, in which nuclear materials were intercepted en route to Iran and hauled to Israel. Others claimed they were destroyed in the attack.

There is no doubt, however, that North Korea is accused of nuclear cooperation with Syria, helped by AQ Khan’s network. John Bolton, who was undersecretary for arms control at the State Department, told the United Nations in 2004 the Pakistani nuclear scientist had “several other” customers besides Iran, Libya and North Korea.

Some of his evidence came from the CIA, which had reported to Congress that it viewed “Syrian nuclear intentions with growing concern”.

“I’ve been worried for some time about North Korea and Iran outsourcing their nuclear programmes,” Bolton said last week. Syria, he added, was a member of a “junior axis of evil”, with a well-established ambition to develop weapons of mass destruction.

The links between Syria and North Korea date back to the rule of Kim Il-sung and President Hafez al-Assad in the last century. In recent months, their sons have quietly ordered an increase in military and technical cooperation.

Foreign diplomats who follow North Korean affairs are taking note. There were reports of Syrian passengers on flights from Beijing to Pyongyang and sightings of Middle Eastern businessmen from sources who watch the trains from North Korea to China.

On August 14, Rim Kyong Man, the North Korean foreign trade minister, was in Syria to sign a protocol on “cooperation in trade and science and technology”. No details were released, but it caught Israel’s attention.

Syria possesses between 60 and 120 Scud-C missiles, which it has bought from North Korea over the past 15 years. Diplomats believe North Korean engineers have been working on extending their 300-mile range. It means they can be used in the deserts of northeastern Syria � the area of the Israeli strike.

The triangular relationship between North Korea, Syria and Iran continues to perplex intelligence analysts. Syria served as a conduit for the transport to Iran of an estimated £50m of missile components and technology sent by sea from North Korea. The same route may be in use for nuclear equipment.

But North Korea is at a sensitive stage of negotiations to end its nuclear programme in exchange for security guarantees and aid, leading some diplomats to cast doubt on the likelihood that Kim would cross America’s “red line” forbidding the proliferation of nuclear materials.

Christopher Hill, the State Department official representing America in the talks, said on Friday he could not confirm “intelligence-type things”, but the reports underscored the need “to make sure the North Koreans get out of the nuclear business”.

By its actions, Israel showed it is not interested in waiting for diplomacy to work where nuclear weapons are at stake.

As a bonus, the Israelis proved they could penetrate the Syrian air defence system, which is stronger than the one protecting Iranian nuclear sites.

This weekend President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad of Iran sent Ali Akbar Mehrabian, his nephew, to Syria to assess the damage. The new “axis of evil” may have lost one of its spokes.

[line-em-up]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Six_days_war

Were you born yet?

Cliff notes.
Israel Vs. Eygpt, Syria, Jordan, Iraq.

Israel kicked their asses in Six days.

Isreal
779 killed,
2,563 wounded,
15 prisoners,
19 aircraft lost
(official casualties)

Others
21,000 killed,
45,000 wounded,
6,000 prisoners
over 400 aircraft destroyed
(estimates)

That was a serious ass kicking. Why couldn't we do that in Iraq?

[BP]

That was a serious ass kicking. Why couldn't we do that in Iraq?

Because most of the Iraqi military surrendered immediately and the "hard core" guys took off their uniforms and blended in with the population. They knew we'd slaughter them but the Arabs seriously thought they could defeat the Israelis.

[FSON]

Whoever controls the Golan Heights, controls Isreal.

[Stevo]

www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/middle_east/article2461421.ece



Ten days after the jets reached home, their mission was the focus of intense speculation this weekend amid claims that Israel believed it had destroyed a cache of nuclear materials from North Korea.



How reliable is this information?
If this can be proven, it would really shake up some things.

Stevo

[ALLAN]

How reliable is this information?
If this can be proven, it would really shake up some things.

Stevo
Fox has it too.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,296939,00.html

Th ROP is our friend

[Casper]

And their allies... ya right. The US and Israel vs. the world. (Oh ya, we got the UK and the Aussies holding our towel)

Turkey is our ally, by treaty. Not israel.

The turks would fuck up Israel bigtime. And do it right, having the global political power.

I think this is all an exercise in misdirection though.

[Denny]

Turkey is our ally, by treaty. Not israel.

The turks would fuck up Israel bigtime. And do it right, having the global political power.

I think this is all an exercise in misdirection though.
Do you honestly trust the Turks? I sure as hell don't! They have more radical Islamists than DFW Airport! The only thing the Turks would make effective is their first strike. Nothing more.

[Casper]

Do you honestly trust the Turks? I sure as hell don't! They have more radical Islamists than DFW Airport! The only thing the Turks would make effective is their first strike. Nothing more.

More than i trust the israelis.

Still, I think its a big misdirection thing. A way to tell Iran "yes, the israelis seem to be able to fly all the way around to your back door without being noticed".

[LMPChris]

No surprise, Israel stepped up back in 81' and took out the Iraqi nuke reactor.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Opera