The Vince Young vs Matt Leinart Thread....

[The Big Matt]

ok so neither did so wonderful this week, but let's vote on better performance.

Young
11/18 - 78 yards
1 INT
11 rushes for 22 yards
1 rushing TD
1 Sack for a loss of 6 yards
1 fumble

Leinart
14/28 - 102 yards
1 TD
2 INT
6 rushes for 35 yards
1 Sack for a loss of 2 yards

So in my opinion
Positives:
Yards Passing - Leinart
Yards Rushing - Leinart
Passing TD - Leinart
Rushing TD - Young

Negatives:
INT - Leinart
Fumbles - Young
Sacks for loss - Young

So I guess that 3-1 Leinart on Positives, and 2-1 Young on Negatives.

Leinart with the win

[Hollywood]

Out of all the young QB's, Young by far had the worst outing, as expected.

[ZYouL8R]

Very scientific research you did there. However, Young got a W and Leinart got an L. I'd say that's more important than your 3:1 positives ratio.

[The Big Matt]

Very scientific research you did there. However, Young got a W and Leinart got an L. I'd say that's more important than your 3:1 positives ratio.

But did Young lead that team to victory? Or did the team lead Young?

[01WhiteCobra]

They both sucked last weekend.

[Big Studly]

SVTVenom to defend VY in...3, 2, 1...

[RyanB]

JaMarcus Russell had a better day than both of those jokers.

[46Tbird]

Who gives a flaming turd - Romo whooped their asses :D

[Who Needs 8]

SVTVenom to defend VY in...3, 2, 1...

He must still have his mouth full.

[Hollywood]

Venom won't be posting for a couple of days. He'll be back Thursday.

**edit** actually Monday, whoops.

[Pro Trash]

As much as I enjoy anything that makes Venom get the heebie jeebies, LOL, VY's team won and Leinarts team lost. VY gets my vote.

[01WhiteCobra]

Venom won't be posting for a couple of days. He'll be back Thursday.

LMAO.

SVTVenom to the penalty box!

[Vertnut]

As mediocre as VY was (along with his team), he still got the win...

[bcoop]

Pssstttttt



VY is a 'stupid motherfucker.'


Score one for Leinart!



























Just kidding, obviously.

[Juiceweezl]

ok so neither did so wonderful this week, but let's vote on better performance.

Young
11/18 - 78 yards
1 INT
11 rushes for 22 yards
1 rushing TD
1 Sack for a loss of 6 yards
1 fumble

Leinart
14/28 - 102 yards
1 TD
2 INT
6 rushes for 35 yards
1 Sack for a loss of 2 yards

So in my opinion
Positives:
Yards Passing - Leinart
Yards Rushing - Leinart
Passing TD - Leinart
Rushing TD - Young

Negatives:
INT - Leinart
Fumbles - Young
Sacks for loss - Young

So I guess that 3-1 Leinart on Positives, and 2-1 Young on Negatives.

Leinart with the win

One, neither was great. Two, VY won, and like it or not, that's what ultimately matters. I'd wager a large sum of money that Dan Marino would trade all of his stats for just chance to line the ball up right again for Ray Finkle. Whether it was VY's performance or not, he's the team leader. Three, your 3:1 is a ridiculous comparison. You can make numbers show whatever you want to show (you left out the important yards per attempt stat for example: VY = 4.3 ML = 3.6). Of course someone should have more passing yards if they make more attempts. Likewise, someone should have more rushing yards if they have more attempts (less sacks that count as attempts). Also, there isn't a lot of difference when stats are 2 yards vs. 6 yards. Finally, wait at least a few more games to make the comparisons. ML has more talent around him, but Young seems to have a way of winning. Carry on.

[CJ-95GT]

You got to also look at who they played. IMO-Jax def is more formidable than the San Fran def.

[ZYouL8R]

But did Young lead that team to victory? Or did the team lead Young?

Well VY scored when he needed to and put points on the board, so I'd say he led the team.

Besides, your stats are a little skewed since Leinart had 2 INTs, which is just as many turnovers as VY had.

[gonzo]

sacks dont count against rushing yards in the NFL, they count towards team passing yards

[Vertnut]

VY's QB rating will be considerably higher, due to the att/comp ratio...

[Juiced89lx]

This has got to be one of the gayest threads i have ever read.

You must be really bored, matt..



VY FTW

[Hollywood]

Look at the VY homers. Man, he threw for 78 yards. The ONLY reason they get out of that game with a win is the damn near 200 yards rushing from Chris Brown. This isn't baseball, last time I checked, QB's didn't have a Win-Loss record.

[Cartman]

One, neither was great. Two, VY won, and like it or not, that's what ultimately matters. I'd wager a large sum of money that Dan Marino would trade all of his stats for just chance to line the ball up right again for Ray Finkle. Whether it was VY's performance or not, he's the team leader. Three, your 3:1 is a ridiculous comparison. You can make numbers show whatever you want to show (you left out the important yards per attempt stat for example: VY = 4.3 ML = 3.6). Of course someone should have more passing yards if they make more attempts. Likewise, someone should have more rushing yards if they have more attempts (less sacks that count as attempts). Also, there isn't a lot of difference when stats are 2 yards vs. 6 yards. Finally, wait at least a few more games to make the comparisons. ML has more talent around him, but Young seems to have a way of winning. Carry on.
the dan marino thing is a true and false statement, he has said that he would have loved nothing more than to win a super bowl, but he also wouldn't have traded away the things he did to for one, because it takes a TEAM to win the super bowl and not one player.

[Trip McNeely]

Who gives a flaming turd - Romo whooped their asses :D
Word up. Matt Shaub whooped him too.

[Juiced89lx]

Look at the VY homers. Man, he threw for 78 yards. The ONLY reason they get out of that game with a win is the damn near 200 yards rushing from Chris Brown. This isn't baseball, last time I checked, QB's didn't have a Win-Loss record.

^^
Faggy-niner fan

[bucky]

They both sucked but i will take VY with the win.

[That_Is_My_El_Camino]

Look at the VY homers. Man, he threw for 78 yards. The ONLY reason they get out of that game with a win is the damn near 200 yards rushing from Chris Brown. This isn't baseball, last time I checked, QB's didn't have a Win-Loss record.It could be argued that he was able to get those 200 yards because the defense was focused on stopping Young's arm.

[Vertnut]

Look at the VY homers. Man, he threw for 78 yards. The ONLY reason they get out of that game with a win is the damn near 200 yards rushing from Chris Brown. This isn't baseball, last time I checked, QB's didn't have a Win-Loss record.
You'll never hear that when it's time for a contract renewal, because that is the bottom line.

[01WhiteCobra]

VY's QB rating will be considerably higher, due to the att/comp ratio...

waaaa? Both were stuck in the 40s last week... VY with a 47.9 and ML with a 41.1.

[Vertnut]

waaaa? Both were stuck in the 40s last week... VY with a 47.9 and ML with a 41.1.
For that game...

[The Big Matt]

It could be argued that he was able to get those 200 yards because the defense was focused on stopping Young's arm.

well if that was their focus then they succeeded

[That_Is_My_El_Camino]

But they failed in winning, unless their primary focus was to lose, in which case they succeeded.

[Hollywood]

It could be argued that he was able to get those 200 yards because the defense was focused on stopping Young's arm.

Why would they try to stop his arm? He's yet to beat anyone with his arm. If anything they would have an extra man in the box to stop him from running and force him to beat them with his arm.

[That_Is_My_El_Camino]

I didn't say that it would be a good argument.

[Pro Trash]

Well VY scored when he needed to and put points on the board, so I'd say he led the team.

Besides, your stats are a little skewed since Leinart had 2 INTs, which is just as many turnovers as VY had.

They both led their teams stupid, the difference was VY led his to a win, are you really to dumb to understand QB's lead, good or bad.

[Juiceweezl]

the dan marino thing is a true and false statement, he has said that he would have loved nothing more than to win a super bowl, but he also wouldn't have traded away the things he did to for one, because it takes a TEAM to win the super bowl and not one player.
Trust me, if Marino had a superbowl ring instead of the records he holds, he be tugging one off to it right now. It does take a team to win the super bowl, but it often comes down specifically to the play of one individual and how the team reacts to him. Marino was great, but not great enough to win the big one. For the sake of this argument, the same comparison can be made between VY and ML (except that they both sucked this past weekend).

[ZYouL8R]

They both led their teams stupid, the difference was VY led his to a win, are you really to dumb to understand QB's lead, good or bad.

No I didn't realize that, thanks!

I figured it was implied that he led them to a win, since they did win and all. Stupid. :rolleyes:

[D]

Is this a battle for second? Because we all know Cutler is better than both of 'em.

[CJ-95GT]

This thread is for the VY haters. We all know VY owned Leinart and Bush when TX last won the championship.

[Juiced89lx]

^^thread starter=aggie

[RJDCobra]

We must all be bored. VY scored the game winner for his team and got the WIN, which is the most important in a 16 game season. but who cares The Romo Empire out did almost every QB this last week.

[Pro Trash]

This thread is for the VY haters. We all know VY owned Leinart and Bush when TX last won the championship.

I am not sure which championship game you were watching but there was not a happy Texas fan in the room at the bar I was at with 25 seconds left in that game with UT trailing USC 38-33. With 19 seconds left VY rushed for then scored the lead TD and everyone cheered. Then they were quiet again with fingers crossed that USC didn't have the big play with 8 seconds left. Lienart hit Bush for a 26 yard pass to the UT 43, then everyone tensed up pucker factor 100 when Lienart let the last pass go to Dewayne Jarrett which fell incomplete as time expired. That was a great National Title game but UT didn't own USC with a come from behind Victory with less than 30 seconds to play, that would be like saying A&M owned UT last year with a last minute come from behind victory at DKR.

[Cartman]

Trust me, if Marino had a superbowl ring instead of the records he holds, he be tugging one off to it right now. It does take a team to win the super bowl, but it often comes down specifically to the play of one individual and how the team reacts to him. Marino was great, but not great enough to win the big one. For the sake of this argument, the same comparison can be made between VY and ML (except that they both sucked this past weekend).
well going off what he says, he would have loved to have a ring, but he wouldn't take away from anything he did.

[Vertnut]

I am not sure which championship game you were watching but there was not a happy Texas fan in the room at the bar I was at with 25 seconds left in that game with UT trailing USC 38-33. With 19 seconds left VY rushed for then scored the lead TD and everyone cheered. Then they were quiet again with fingers crossed that USC didn't have the big play with 8 seconds left. Lienart hit Bush for a 26 yard pass to the UT 43, then everyone tensed up pucker factor 100 when Lienart let the last pass go to Dewayne Jarrett which fell incomplete as time expired. That was a great National Title game but UT didn't own USC with a come from behind Victory with less than 30 seconds to play, that would be like saying A&M owned UT last year with a last minute come from behind victory at DKR.
What he stated, was that VY owned USC's two great Heisman winners in that game, and that is accurate.

Did you Aggies on the board read the great article that Jean-Jacques Taylor had in the DMN this morning? Pretty interesting...

[bcoop]

What he stated, was that VY owned USC's two great Heisman winners in that game, and that is accurate.






I didn't read it that way, and I don't remember it like that. But, different people have different views....

[Vertnut]

I didn't read it that way, and I don't remember it like that. But, different people have different views....
Did you not see the errors that Bush made that very well cost' USC that game? VY came through at crunch time, and the other two didn't. It's pretty clear cut.

[TATOM MACK]

jacksonvilles dfence> 49er d :confused:

[Pro Trash]

Did you not see the errors that Bush made that very well cost' USC that game? VY came through at crunch time, and the other two didn't. It's pretty clear cut.

How does Bush even get into this one, talk about dragging up old shit? I thought this was VY versus ML, where in the heck does Bush come in? Hwy the hell did I even argue the National title game in the NCAA that happened almost two years ago? RB went before VY in the draft, does that matter? Heck last year UT lost three games, oh shit VY wasn't there, that must be why? Seriously RB is an RB, VY is a QB they now play in the NFL, UT has not defended the National title as they lost the ranking of number 1 a while back.

Good God VY did better than ML the other night what the fuck else is supposed to be debated or voted on really, in this thread?

[Vertnut]

How does Bush even get into this one, talk about dragging up old shit? I thought this was VY versus ML, where in the heck does Bush come in? Hwy the hell did I even argue the National title game in the NCAA that happened almost two years ago? RB went before VY in the draft, does that matter? Heck last year UT lost three games, oh shit VY wasn't there, that must be why? Seriously RB is an RB, VY is a QB they now play in the NFL, UT has not defended the National title as they lost the ranking of number 1 a while back.

Good God VY did better than ML the other night what the fuck else is supposed to be debated or voted on really, in this thread?
Just referring to CJ- 95GT's remark, that's all. Not trying to compare those two, other than the fact that one impacted that particular game more than the other.

[D]

Cutler is still better than both of them. :D

[bcoop]

Did you not see the errors that Bush made that very well cost' USC that game? VY came through at crunch time, and the other two didn't. It's pretty clear cut.




If you knew how drunk I was by the end of that game, you'd understand. Hell, Matt was there. He knows. However, he might not have been any better off than I was. :D

[Vertnut]

If you knew how drunk I was by the end of that game, you'd understand. Hell, Matt was there. He knows. However, he might not have been any better off than I was. :D
:D I understand...

[bcoop]

:D I understand...



Put it this way. I got in to a fight that night, and don't remember a thing. Not a bruise or red mark in sight except for my back, and my hands were fucking busted up to shit. That's the only reason I knew anything happened. :D

[Pro Trash]

Put it this way. I got in to a fight that night, and don't remember a thing. Not a bruise or red mark in sight except for my back, and my hands were fucking busted up to shit. That's the only reason I knew anything happened. :D

You were punching the floor while someone was kicking your ass or back same thing whitey :D

[The Big Matt]

the only person i could see brent fighting that night was himself or the concrete... he was fine when he left. hell i was fine when he left, or at least that's what i remember.

[bcoop]

the only person i could see brent fighting that night was himself or the concrete... he was fine when he left. hell i was fine when he left, or at least that's what i remember.



Could have been a tree after I got home too. Hell, for that matter it could have been Haley. But she doesn't remember shit from that night either. :o I don't see any logical way I would have been coherent enough to fight, so it's confusing.


Either way, my fists were swollen and my hands were busted up. :(

[Hollywood]

jacksonvilles dfence> 49er d :confused:


Not this year.

[SVTVenom]

This thread makes me laugh.

Matt is upset because his "sleeper" draft team is a BUST and he's reaping the rewards of picking shitty players like Leinart.

Matt's claim that Matt Leinart would be more productive than Vince Young this season is already falling apart as VY has more fantasy points than Leinart currently does.

I'd also like to like to point out the fact that Leinart is only .1% better currently than his completion percentage last year 56.8% vs. 56.9% and also has a worse QB Rating 66.3 vs. 74.0. So far it doesn't look as if he has made an improvement over last year despite a year of maturity.

However, VY has made a jump in both completion percentage and QB Rating so far this season - 51.5% vs. 62.2% and 66.7 vs. 76.3

Gotta love a guy who outproduces and wins with less talent around him.

[Big Studly]

This thread makes me laugh.

Matt is upset because his "sleeper" draft team is a BUST and he's reaping the rewards of picking shitty players like Leinart.

Matt's claim that Matt Leinart would be more productive than Vince Young this season is already falling apart as VY has more fantasy points than Leinart currently does.

I'd also like to like to point out the fact that Leinart is only .1% better currently than his completion percentage last year 56.8% vs. 56.9% and also has a worse QB Rating 66.3 vs. 74.0. So far it doesn't look as if he has made an improvement over last year despite a year of maturity.

However, VY has made a jump in both completion percentage and QB Rating so far this season - 51.5% vs. 62.2% and 66.7 vs. 76.3

Gotta love a guy who outproduces and wins with less talent around him.

Great analysis with 2 games down so far in the season! :rolleyes:

[SVTVenom]

Great analysis with 2 games down so far in the season! :rolleyes:

That is kind of why this whole thread is funny. He used one game to equate Leinart being better simply because he threw for more yardage. He also failed to look at the quality of opponents each faced. AFC > NFC.

Leinart should have better stats with as much offensive talent he has at skill positions on his team, however that wasn't the fact last year and so far hasn't been this year either.

[SVTVenom]

Another SUPER peformance by Matt Leinart today against Baltimore. :rolleyes:

He goes 9/20, 53 yards, 0 TD 0 INT and then gets yanked and replaced by Kurt Warner who then goes off for 15/20, 258 yards, 2 TD 0 INT and has Arizona in the game until the end when Baltimore sealed with with a FG.

Through 3 games:

46/85, 54.1%, 454 yards, 2 TD 3 INT, 62.6 QB Rating, 1-2 record

Yep, he sure is being more productive and helping his team win games. :rolleyes:

[RPM]

fuck that usc faggit.....i think it is great he got pulled and replaced by warner :D

[TRAXX]

After this weekend....gotta TTT :p

[That_Is_My_El_Camino]

Is that game, set, and match?

[SVTVenom]

Is that game, set, and match?

I'd say so.

Vince Young (My Guy):

42/67, 62.7%, 426 yards, 3 TD 2 INT, 83.3 QB Rating, 2-1 Record

21 carries, 96 yards, 4.6 YPC, 1 TD

Matt Leinart (Matt's Guy):

46/85, 54.1%, 454 yards, 2 TD 3 INT, 62.6 QB Rating, 1-2 Record

8 carries, 33 yards, 4.1 YPC, 0 TD

Alex Smith (Anubis' Guy):

43/83, 51.8%, 461 yards, 1 TD 1 INT, 67.4 QB Rating, 2-1 Record

8 carries, 67 yards, 8.4 YPC, 0 TD


Time for a mea culpa? I'd say so. :cool:

[Juiced89lx]

thread backfire, imo

[Vertnut]

thread backfire, imo
No shit. I don't think this is the direction the author wanted it to go in. :cool:

[SVTVenom]

Just wanted to provide a little update since Matt seems to have abandoned his thread.

Leinart got benched AGAIN in favor of Warner and now they are in a time-share. LMFAO.

Alex Smith got driven into the ground on their first drive and he's now out indefinately with a separated shoulder. It's not like he made any difference for the 49'ers because they still got their ass handed to them by the class of that division, the Seahawks.

VY was simply chillin this week on the bye.

Matt? Anubis? Care to explain what has gone on with your respective QB's/teams?

[Vertnut]

Just wanted to provide a little update since Matt seems to have abandoned his thread.

Leinart got benched AGAIN in favor of Warner and now they are in a time-share. LMFAO.

Alex Smith got driven into the ground on their first drive and he's now out indefinately with a separated shoulder. It's not like he made any difference for the 49'ers because they still got their ass handed to them by the class of that division, the Seahawks.

VY was simply chillin this week on the bye.

Matt? Anubis? Care to explain what has gone on with your respective QB's/teams?
I think the enthusiasm for this thread has waned; along with Leinert's football future...

[Hollywood]

Just wanted to provide a little update since Matt seems to have abandoned his thread.

Leinart got benched AGAIN in favor of Warner and now they are in a time-share. LMFAO.

Alex Smith got driven into the ground on their first drive and he's now out indefinately with a separated shoulder. It's not like he made any difference for the 49'ers because they still got their ass handed to them by the class of that division, the Seahawks.

VY was simply chillin this week on the bye.

Matt? Anubis? Care to explain what has gone on with your respective QB's/teams?


Alex Smith got hurt. The team drowned without him, yet you say him not being there didn't matter...not sure how that makes sense but coming from you, nothing ever does. And seeing how Dilfer can't scramble and the O-line is playing like shit, save one player-Joe Staley (yea, that guy you said they shouldn't have took who not only earned a starting spot, is outplaying the rest of the line) they got owned. Your point? :confused:

[SVTVenom]

Alex Smith got hurt. The team drowned without him, yet you say him not being there didn't matter...not sure how that makes sense but coming from you, nothing ever does. And seeing how Dilfer can't scramble and the O-line is playing like shit, save one player-Joe Staley (yea, that guy you said they shouldn't have took who not only earned a starting spot, is outplaying the rest of the line) they got owned. Your point? :confused:

The 49'ers lost with him and they'll lose without him.

They have looked completely lost on offense without Norv Turner and that defense that was supposed to be good this year is pretty mediocre.

I know it hurts that you now have to realize the fact that the 49'ers STILL suck and are going to continue to do so for a while.

[Hollywood]

The 49'ers lost with him and they'll lose without him.

They have looked completely lost on offense without Norv Turner and that defense that was supposed to be good this year is pretty mediocre.

I know it hurts that you now have to realize the fact that the 49'ers STILL suck and are going to continue to do so for a while.


The defense is far from mediocre. Dominate? No, but vastly improved and better than medicore despite what you said prior to the season starting off. Yet another one of your predictions or analyzations that is incorrect. You should probably watch them play before you spout off such bullshit. But i've come to learn by now that you just say what ever garbage thought that comes into that brain of yours without any hesitation whatsoever. Moron.

[SVTVenom]

The defense is far from mediocre. Dominate? No, but vastly improved and better than medicore despite what you said prior to the season starting off. Yet another one of your predictions or analyzations that is incorrect. You should probably watch them play before you spout off such bullshit. But i've come to learn by now that you just say what ever garbage thought that comes into that brain of yours without any hesitation whatsoever. Moron.

I watched them play Arizona and they looked like shit. They've needed late scores in both of their wins which were against two sub-par teams.

As for the defense, they are mediocre.

They are ranked 20th in total defense allowing 23.3 PPG, 20th in yards allowed giving up 343.5 YPG, 25th in rushing defense giving up 130.0 YPG, 11th in passing defense giving up 213.5 YPG, tied for 17th in INT's with 3, 14th in FF's, 11th in sacks with 11.0

Pretty mediocre.

You also stated earlier in this thread that Jacksonville's 'D' wasn't as good as the 49'ers. You may want to recant on that as well because they are allowing a whole hell of alot less yardage and points than the 49'ers.

[Hollywood]

I watched them play Arizona and they looked like shit. They've needed late scores in both of their wins which were against two sub-par teams.

As for the defense, they are mediocre.

They are ranked 20th in total defense allowing 23.3 PPG, 20th in yards allowed giving up 343.5 YPG, 25th in rushing defense giving up 130.0 YPG, 11th in passing defense giving up 213.5 YPG, tied for 17th in INT's with 3, 14th in FF's, 11th in sacks with 11.0

Pretty mediocre.

You also stated earlier in this thread that Jacksonville's 'D' wasn't as good as the 49'ers. You may want to recant on that as well because they are allowing a whole hell of alot less yardage and points than the 49'ers.

Once again, you prove you're an idiot. As stated on ESPN and the ticket this morning, they have one of the better defenses in the league. Not sure how you can say they looked like shit against Arizona when they shut Boldin and Fitzgerald completely down, but you've never been too bright. Let me break it down for you and let you understand.

They are ranked 20th because the offense is so bad, that the defense is on the field for just about the whole game. The results are an accumulation of yards. Yesterday against Baltimore, Trent Dilfer sucked so much ass, he only completed 2 passes, so Baltimore had the ball 20 fucking minutes in the first half. Despite that, they held Baltimore to 3 field goals. I'm wasting my breath because even if the official rankings had them in the top 5, you still wouldn't give them credit. If not for the defense, this team would be 0-5.




Cole: If San Francisco had any semblance of an offense, it would be ranked in the top 12, easily. While Mike Nolan has done a terrific job of building the defense for the 49ers, the offense simply has no one outside of running back Frank Gore who strikes fear in the heart of opposing defenses. It's probably going to take another offseason, but the 49ers have to get a wide receiver that is a legitimate threat. Vernon Davis, who is banged up, has a ton of ability, but he's still a tight end and that's not enough to make an offense go.

[CJ-95GT]

VY sucked against Atlanta for all you nut huggers.

Passing: 20/33, 157 YDS, 0-TD's, 3-Int's.
Rushing: 8/ 27 YDS, 0-TD's

However, Lienart got sand in his vagina and a broken collar bone. (Pick up Warner if you need a QB)

[Vertnut]

VY sucked against Atlanta for all you nut huggers.

Passing: 20/33, 157 YDS, 0-TD's, 3-Int's.
Rushing: 8/ 27 YDS, 0-TD's

However, Lienart got sand in his vagina and a broken collar bone. (Pick up Warner if you need a QB)
Bottom line: Vince gets the win, and Leinerts' done...it's probably the best thing that's happened to him, so he can have an excuse.

[HookEm]

I think the enthusiasm for this thread has waned; along with Leinert's football future...



Leinart is not very good, at this point in his career. SanFran is, well, what they are. A medicore team, at best, at this point in the season. We'll see if that changes.

[bcoop]

Bottom line: Vince gets the win, and Leinerts' done...it's probably the best thing that's happened to him, so he can have an excuse.



Didn't he just BARELY squeeze a win out?


Is anyone else shocked by how well ATL is playing, all things considered? Don't get me wrong. I'm not saying they are good. I'm just surprised they are playing as well as they are, with all the bullshit that's been going on.

[Cartman]

Bottom line: Vince gets the win, and Leinerts' done...it's probably the best thing that's happened to him, so he can have an excuse.
got the win because the d bailed him out of yet another game :rolleyes:

[CJ-95GT]

Leinart is not very good, at this point in his career. SanFran is, well, what they are. A medicore team, at best, at this point in the season. We'll see if that changes.

<=Not following. :confused:

Arizona maybe?

[Vertnut]

got the win because the d bailed him out of yet another game :rolleyes:
Yeah, but it doesn't matter...a win is a win is a win. At contract time, that's what it's all about.

[Vertnut]

Didn't he just BARELY squeeze a win out?


Is anyone else shocked by how well ATL is playing, all things considered? Don't get me wrong. I'm not saying they are good. I'm just surprised they are playing as well as they are, with all the bullshit that's been going on.
At last, we agree. Atlanta is actually shocking me with how well they have "acclimated" to not having Vick. They should be proud of how they have re-grouped since all that shit hit the fan. The organization is really paying the price for something that is not their fault.

[HookEm]

<=Not following. :confused:

Arizona maybe?

oops?
;)

[Hollywood]

got the win because the d bailed him out of yet another game :rolleyes:

I like how ever since VY came into the league, Quarterbacks are now like Major League pitchers where W-L is suddenly all that matters. :rolleyes:

[Vertnut]

I like how ever since VY came into the league, Quarterbacks are now like Major League pitchers where W-L is suddenly all that matters. :rolleyes:
They don't "count" wins, but it is all that matters, especially for a QB. Remember the Bears last season? As bad as the QB was, they stuck with him BECAUSE THEY WERE WINNING.

[RJDCobra]

In today's 16 game NFL season, a win is a win. no matter if you beat a shitty team, barely won or how you won. its all about the W. and that goes double for AFC team's.

[Hollywood]

They don't "count" wins, but it is all that matters, especially for a QB. Remember the Bears last season? As bad as the QB was, they stuck with him BECAUSE THEY WERE WINNING.

But nobody was talking about how great a QB Rex was or even giving him credit for the wins. The Bears D was getting credit for the Wins. With Tennessee it's always "VY gets another win!". I'm sorry, did Tennessee win or did VY win, i'm confused. Thats what aggravates me.

[Vertnut]

But nobody was talking about how great a QB Rex was or even giving him credit for the wins. The Bears D was getting credit for the Wins. With Tennessee it's always "VY gets another win!". I'm sorry, did Tennessee win or did VY win, i'm confused. Thats what aggravates me.
Tennesee definitely gets the win. It's just that the QB sucks if they lose, and is great when they win. If a QB is "good enough to win", that's all folks are worried about.

[Cartman]

I like how ever since VY came into the league, Quarterbacks are now like Major League pitchers where W-L is suddenly all that matters. :rolleyes:
another win for VY with an almost passing yard record of 42 yards. he should just retire now and the NFL should put him in the hall of fame. :rolleyes:

[MR TINFOIL HAT]

another win for VY with an almost passing yard record of 42 yards. he should just retire now and the NFL should put him in the hall of fame. :rolleyes:
He did only attempt 14 passes. So he didn't really even get much of a chance. I think he may still be hurting.

[Cartman]

He did only attempt 14 passes.
and he completed 6 of his passes your point?

[MR TINFOIL HAT]

and he completed 6 of his passes your point?
My point is he didn't even get warmed up. He's most likely still hurting.

[Cartman]

My point is he didn't even get warmed up. He's most likely still hurting.
that can't be used as an excuse, we have to use venom logic, so he had yet another day of throwing less than 100 yards in a game, I wonder what the record is for starting qb's who throw for less than 100 yards in a game

[MR TINFOIL HAT]

that can't be used as an excuse, we have to use venom logic, so he had yet another day of throwing less than 100 yards in a game, I wonder what the record is for starting qb's who throw for less than 100 yards in a game
He's closing in on whatever the record is. I like him because he can burn you both ways. Give him another year or so. He definitely has his size as an advantage, and if he learns to control that cannon of a arm he has... He'll be lethal.

[Bones]

He's closing in on whatever the record is. I like him because he can burn you both ways. Give him another year or so. He definitely has his size as an advantage, and if he learns to control that cannon of a arm he has... He'll be lethal.
This thread shouldnt even be this long!! The bottom line is VY is a WINNER!!!

[Hollywood]

He did only attempt 14 passes. So he didn't really even get much of a chance. I think he may still be hurting.

He only "attempted" 14 passes, because he was sacked twice, so thats 2 on top of 14, then he ran the ball 7 times. How many of those were designed bootlegs? Or was he pulling the ball down and running with it. He had the opportunity to throw the ball over 20 times, but was only able to walk away with 42 yards and 6 completions. VY=nothing but hype

[MR TINFOIL HAT]

This thread shouldnt even be this long!! The bottom line is VY is a WINNER!!!
I agree, he's definitely a winner. I want to see him when he can throw 300+ yd games. It'll be rediculous.

[The Big Matt]

I think Leinart had a better week this week

[Bones]

I think Leinart had a better week this week
You might be on to something! :D

[Vertnut]

VY had a bad day, but he had three passes dropped (for scores), and a looong pass called back on a penalty. You guys always act like the Titans lost! Did they get the fucking win or not? They started him knowing he's still nursing a bad quad, so I doubt they were expecting him to do a whole lot. On a bad wheel, he's still the best they have.

[Bones]

Vince Young is a winner!! Someone please close this thread there is nothing else to talk about!!!!