Two wrongs make a right?

[98COBRA#770]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070904/ap_on_re_us/school_fight

Sorry but the last sentence was to much for me!

[livinglegend_86]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070904/ap_on_re_us/school_fight

Sorry but the last sentence was to much for me!

:eek: i can't believe he said that... what a fuckin idiot :rolleyes:

[Mr Majestyk]

But he jus wanna go ta Gramblin'

[David]

So wait, 6 darkies beat up a white guy and they want to go scott free. But if 6 white guys beat up a black guy it's maximum punishible charges.

[Stevo]

Bastards should charged with committing a hate crime, god knows if it was six crackers beating a brotha or a vato down, they would looking at it.

This country needs more lynch mob justice.

Stevo

[mightyp]

If six whites beat up a black, the naacp would be protesting and it would be a hate crime, cnn would have nonstop coverage, but it was the other way around so, lets just move on.....amazing....anyone wanna place odds on a riot if they convict those "poor black kids"?

[AL P]

What the hell do you expect from the kid? Obviously his parents agree with his dumbass too. I hope the little son of a bitch goes to prison for a couple of years.

[Mr Majestyk]

....anyone wanna place odds on a riot if they convict those "poor black kids"?


Jena isn't big enough to support a full-scale riot.

[Stevo]

Jena isn't big enough to support a full-scale riot.

National Guard FTW.

Stevo

[PWTRTXSS]

If the noose was on the other neck, there would be all kinds of assholes involved in this inbred, backwoods, fuck-ur-sister, deliverance situation.

[Stevo]

If the noose was on the other neck, there would be all kinds of assholes involved in this inbred, backwoods, fuck-ur-sister, deliverance situation.

Naw, I don't see it, as there isn't an organization that caters only to "inbred, backwoods, fuck-ur-sister, deliverance" type people comparable to the NAACP.

Stevo

[supercharged99GT]

jesse jackson and sharpton are probably on their way there now.along with the rest of the black panther party...

[Muffrazr]

Naw, I don't see it, as there isn't an organization that caters only to "inbred, backwoods, fuck-ur-sister, deliverance" type people comparable to the NAACP.

Stevo



Yeah it's a damn shame too. We could try to come up with something similar, but it would get shot down as being KKK. NAACP and all the rest of the scared white people that feel we should give reparations(sp?) would be all over it. Maybe we could start up a coalition of all races and colors to overthrow the NAACP, because all their doing is keeping racism alive thru division of people.

[jones4stangs]

So wait, 6 darkies beat up a white guy and they want to go scott free. But if 6 white guys beat up a black guy it's maximum punishible charges.
Bastards should charged with committing a hate crime, god knows if it was six crackers beating a brotha or a vato down, they would looking at it.
If six whites beat up a black, the naacp would be protesting and it would be a hate crime, cnn would have nonstop coverage, but it was the other way around so, lets just move on......
Naw, I don't see it, as there isn't an organization that caters only to "inbred, backwoods, fuck-ur-sister, deliverance" type people comparable to the NAACP.
Yeah it's a damn shame too. We could try to come up with something similar, but it would get shot down as being KKK.

Now that's laughable. I'm truly amazed by all these "reverse racism" type comments and cries. Ya'll (i.e. white men) respond like your in this vast injustice where you're always the bad guy and the deck is stacked against you. You'll are crying like your some minority struggling against an oppressive culture. Scared of the big bad NAACP and Jackson hahahahaha

Bullshit! I don't believe it! Oppressed white men in these United States of America, what a myth!

Do ya'll represent some sub-culture of white men that don't enjoy the dominance that most white men have always had in this country?

Remy! That's it, ya'll must be Remy from the movie Higher Learning.

"Remy: Fuck all you damn Jews and Niggers! You stick together, don't you! You stick together to work against ME, the Pure White Christian Man! Don't you know he controls you, nigger? You're nothing without him. You're NOTHING! You're NOTHING! You're a SLAVE! I'll fucking take off my ficking belt, man, and I'll make you my fucking MONKEY!"

[exlude]

Now that's laughable. I'm truly amazed by all these "reverse racism" type comments and cries. Ya'll (i.e. white men) respond like your in this vast injustice where you're always the bad guy and the deck is stacked against you. You'll are crying like your some minority struggling against an oppressive culture. Scared of the big bad NAACP and Jackson hahahahaha

Bullshit! I don't believe it! Oppressed white men in these United States of America, what a myth!

Do ya'll represent some sub-culture of white men that don't enjoy the dominance that most white men have always had in this country?

Remy! That's it, ya'll must be Remy from the movie Higher Learning.

"Remy: Fuck all you damn Jews and Niggers! You stick together, don't you! You stick together to work against ME, the Pure White Christian Man! Don't you know he controls you, nigger? You're nothing without him. You're NOTHING! You're NOTHING! You're a SLAVE! I'll fucking take off my ficking belt, man, and I'll make you my fucking MONKEY!"

How does any of that tripe have anythiing to do with the topic at hand? 6 people beat up 1 guy. Now, these people happened to be black and the victim white. Now, ignoring all their ludicrous statements to "let them go scott free so they can go to college", if it was 6 white guys and 1 black victim there would be protest by the NAACP, Jesse Jackson would be walking the streets for the white guy's head.

It's not so much "reverse racism" as it is a commentary on the usual (almost typical) overeaction when the roles are reversed. It's people like Jesse Jackson exploiting race to make gains instead of trying to be equal but ignoring the responsibilities in cases like this.

[jones4stangs]

How does any of that tripe have anythiing to do with the topic at hand?
It doesn't deal with the case, it deals with the attitude in the previous post.

6 people beat up 1 guy. Now, these people happened to be black and the victim white.
No need to ignore the obvious, the whole incident was racial.

Now, ignoring all their ludicrous statements to "let them go scott free so they can go to college",
Yea, "let me go" was kinda funny. However, the whole college bond kid situation should influence sentencing.

if it was 6 white guys and 1 black victim there would be protest by the NAACP, Jesse Jackson would be walking the streets for the white guy's head.
The scenario isn't 6 black guy against 1 white guy. That's pretty damn indefensible. The scenario is 6 black teenagers against the school, police, DA, and judge. The scenario turns a 16 year old school fight into attempted murder tried as an adult.

It's not so much "reverse racism" as it is a commentary on the usual (almost typical) overeaction when the roles are reversed. It's people like Jesse Jackson exploiting race to make gains instead of trying to be equal but ignoring the responsibilities in cases like this.
Without the national attention these civil rights organizations have provided, these kids would be facing 22 years in prison for a high school fight. That kind of injustice is not unfounded in American history. That kind of injustice is why civil rights organizations are needed.

[Mustangman_2000]

Now that's laughable. I'm truly amazed by all these "reverse racism" type comments and cries. Ya'll (i.e. white men) respond like your in this vast injustice where you're always the bad guy and the deck is stacked against you. You'll are crying like your some minority struggling against an oppressive culture. Scared of the big bad NAACP and Jackson hahahahaha


There is a blatant double standard in this country regarding race. If the above scenario would have been 6 whites beating 1 black man, it would have been labeled a hate crime. There would have also been all kinds of minority advocacy groups like (NAACP, ACLU, etc..) that would have thrown their 2 cents worth into the fray. There would have also been significantly more media attention surrounding the event.

I think if you don't realize that then you are both deluded and naive. And what that dumbass said about dropping the charges was an outrageous statement. It's disturbing how the charges got reduced because of enough pressure from a Civil Rights group. Let's go ahead and further enable this type of behavior by publicly showing leniency towards it. :rolleyes:

This country is now being run by people on capitol hill and in corporate America that are slowly, but surely giving away the farm. Just look at the Immigration issue. Look at the concessions that are being made towards illegal immigrants in this country. I wouldn't say that whites necessarily feel opressed, but neither should minorities in modern America. In this country we concede to and placate to anyone who is "offended". Modern America has no backbone, pride, value it's positive heritage, nor has a modicum of integrity. This country is the "Mecca" for the people who label or consider themselves a minority. Probably the only place in the world that recognizes and yields to your sense of entitlement.

[mightyp]

Now that's laughable. I'm truly amazed by all these "reverse racism" type comments and cries. Ya'll (i.e. white men) respond like your in this vast injustice where you're always the bad guy and the deck is stacked against you. You'll are crying like your some minority struggling against an oppressive culture. Scared of the big bad NAACP and Jackson hahahahaha

Bullshit! I don't believe it! Oppressed white men in these United States of America, what a myth!

Do ya'll represent some sub-culture of white men that don't enjoy the dominance that most white men have always had in this country?

Remy! That's it, ya'll must be Remy from the movie Higher Learning.

"Remy: Fuck all you damn Jews and Niggers! You stick together, don't you! You stick together to work against ME, the Pure White Christian Man! Don't you know he controls you, nigger? You're nothing without him. You're NOTHING! You're NOTHING! You're a SLAVE! I'll fucking take off my ficking belt, man, and I'll make you my fucking MONKEY!"

you sir, are a moron, naw I take that back, a racist moron.

[black01gt]

This country is now being run by people on capitol hill and in corporate America that are slowly, but surely giving away the farm.
Nothing slow about it. Surely yes, but slowly no.

When racism ceases to be a tool for manilulation (OJ Simpson, affirmitive action, reperations for slavery...give me a break!, ebonics, etc.) then, and only then, will it be gone.
I have a black friend in Austin that is a brillient neuro surgeon that is from Alabama. He went home to see his mother and the local blacks hate him, and beat the glass out of his Mercedes because he ruins their argument that they can't be successful. Now he flies his mother to Austin to visit. He's not a racist at all, but is a victim of black racist. Go figure.

Hear about the black comedian that got yanked off the stage this week for repeatedly using the "n" word?
Color and nationality don't concern me at all. Your attitude and character is what matters. Example: "sagging" is about the most stupid thing I've ever seen and they come in all colors. However...next Halloween I'm going as a dumbassed hip hop punk. I mean, why wouldn't someone want to look at my ass while I'm walking down main street? :D yuck...

Racism is an attitude...adjust.
Ever see the movies Grand Canyon or Crash? Perspective.

[mikeb]

Now that's laughable. I'm truly amazed by all these "reverse racism" type comments and cries. Ya'll (i.e. white men) respond like your in this vast injustice where you're always the bad guy and the deck is stacked against you. You'll are crying like your some minority struggling against an oppressive culture. Scared of the big bad NAACP and Jackson hahahahaha

Bullshit! I don't believe it! Oppressed white men in these United States of America, what a myth!

Do ya'll represent some sub-culture of white men that don't enjoy the dominance that most white men have always had in this country?

Remy! That's it, ya'll must be Remy from the movie Higher Learning.

"Remy: Fuck all you damn Jews and Niggers! You stick together, don't you! You stick together to work against ME, the Pure White Christian Man! Don't you know he controls you, nigger? You're nothing without him. You're NOTHING! You're NOTHING! You're a SLAVE! I'll fucking take off my ficking belt, man, and I'll make you my fucking MONKEY!"

The problem is that there is a double standard in play. As others have said if the roles had been reversed jackson and sharpton and the ACLU would have been all over this deal. Since the crime was against a white person, one has to ask - where is jackson, sharpton, the ACLU, and the outrage? Is the crime somewhat different because the victim was white? If so, then it appears that jackson, sharpton, and the ACLU are simply hypocrites playing the race card, which makes them racist. What makes this even worse is that obstensibly both jackson and sharpton are men of the cloth. IMO God is going to have a field day with them on judgement day. Jackson has refused to apologize or retract his statements that vilified the white lacrosse players accused of the rape of that black stripper, even when the case fell apart and it was clear that they were not guilty. The bottom line is that white people are tired of being labeled as racist so that someone can gain an economic or political advantage when racism is so clearly evident all across the spectrum.

There is a tremendous demand for well educated employees right now of all colors and backgrounds. I see nothing in the US that is holding anyone back that really wants to live the American dream. Saying that a group of people is dominant is just bullshit and is an excuse.

[KJ94GT]

I'm truly amazed by all these "reverse racism" type comments and cries.

Reverse racism does not exist. That's a buzzword created by the good people at the NAACP. Reverse racism would mean that you love everyone regardless.
Racism is racism. It doesn't matter who's doing it or who they're doing it to.
And if you think caucasians in this country get equal treatment as African Americans, you couldn't be any more wrong. Should I really go down that road and bring up BET, Jet Magazine, the NAACP, the Black Caucus, Black History month, Black Panthers, etc etc?

[Stevo]

The scenario isn't 6 black guy against 1 white guy. That's pretty damn indefensible. The scenario is 6 black teenagers against the school, police, DA, and judge. The scenario turns a 16 year old school fight into attempted murder tried as an adult.


Two teenagers beating the hell out of each other over (insert various issues here) is a school fight, six teenage guys from one race planning, then beating the shit out of one guy from another race JUST BECAUSE HE IS OF A DIFFERENT RACE is a fucking hate crime.

If you look at the incident within the context of the law, those six guys attempted to murder another person due to their racial hatred, that is a fucking hate crime. The police, DA, etc had no hand in them nearly beating someone else to death due to his skin color, if you choose to be blind to that, so be it. For you to ignore the double standard is idiocy.

Stevo

[FreightTrain]

At my work we have HEN( Hispanic Employee Network) and BEN (Black Employee Network), but we have no WEN. Of course the BEN said we are welcome to join. :rolleyes:

[Pro88LX]

At my work we have HEN( Hispanic Employee Network) and BEN (Black Employee Network), but we have no WEN. Of course the BEN said we are welcome to join. :rolleyes:


Better have your union rep get on that!!!! :D j/k man

[Cartman]

Nothing slow about it. Surely yes, but slowly no.

When racism ceases to be a tool for manilulation (OJ Simpson, affirmitive action, reperations for slavery...give me a break!, ebonics, etc.) then, and only then, will it be gone.
I have a black friend in Austin that is a brillient neuro surgeon that is from Alabama. He went home to see his mother and the local blacks hate him, and beat the glass out of his Mercedes because he ruins their argument that they can't be successful. Now he flies his mother to Austin to visit. He's not a racist at all, but is a victim of black racist. Go figure.

Hear about the black comedian that got yanked off the stage this week for repeatedly using the "n" word?
Color and nationality don't concern me at all. Your attitude and character is what matters. Example: "sagging" is about the most stupid thing I've ever seen and they come in all colors. However...next Halloween I'm going as a dumbassed hip hop punk. I mean, why wouldn't someone want to look at my ass while I'm walking down main street? :D yuck...

Racism is an attitude...adjust.
Ever see the movies Grand Canyon or Crash? Perspective.

that is what kills me most about the majority of black people I have known in my life, which is a lot. If one has "made it" they don't like him because he is an "uncle tom" or a sell out, or the one that everytime I hear I can't help but laugh, "house nigger". ( I will admit I had to look that one up when I heard it, didn't understand it, then I saw Malcolm X(sp?) and he explained even better.)

but why are they not proud or happy for said person? I don't hate Trump because he knows how to use the system, or gates because he knows how to write programs, but let a brother make it, not in sports or music, and he sold out.
I don't get that.

but this fight will fall under the "angry black man" plea, if it sees the inside of a courtroom. If I was a black man I would be more pissed off that there is a plea called "angry black man" meaning that I am just barely above an animal in my judgement and self control. if you ask me they acted like a mob and from the story, I know white media, they tried to kill him, then they should be tried as adults and tried for attempted murder.

[ugly88gt]

Naw, I don't see it, as there isn't an organization that caters only to "inbred, backwoods, fuck-ur-sister, deliverance" type people comparable to the NAACP.

Stevo


The NRA?

[Mr Majestyk]

At my work we have HEN( Hispanic Employee Network) and BEN (Black Employee Network), but we have no WEN. Of course the BEN said we are welcome to join. :rolleyes:

HEN makes for good chikenshit

BEN makes for good rice (as in Uncle)

[Stevo]

The NRA?

So, you are trying to say the National Rifle Association is full of "inbred, backwoods, fuck-ur-sister, deliverance" type people?

Democrat much?

Stevo

[jones4stangs]

There is a blatant double standard in this country regarding race. If the above scenario would have been 6 whites beating 1 black man, it would have been labeled a hate crime.
Sure, it comes to mind, but I don't think it would be legally defensible or appropriate. All these kids knew each other. From what I understand the fight (jumping) occurred after a series of aggressive dialogue in the mist of several students. I guess is the lone student "crossed the line", which got his ass kicked. Take an extreme case, if a black guy was standing tough and cussed out a group of skin heads, would you be surprised he got jumped? Would you call it a hate crime? I wouldn't.

There would have also been all kinds of minority advocacy groups like (NAACP, ACLU, etc..) that would have thrown their 2 cents worth into the fray. There would have also been significantly more media attention surrounding the event. I think if you don't realize that then you are both deluded and naive.
Huh? The current media attention is due to minority advocacy groups. But I agree, if six white student were being railroaded I would expect more media attention (i.e. Duke). However it wouldn't be the result of minority advocacy, it would be due to the outrage of the majority. Instead of Jackson and Sharpton, you'd have O'Rilley and Rush. Honestly, I don't care who takes up the banner, so long as someone brings light to injustice.

And what that dumbass said about dropping the charges was an outrageous statement. It's disturbing how the charges got reduced because of enough pressure from a Civil Rights group. Let's go ahead and further enable this type of behavior by publicly showing leniency towards it. :rolleyes:
Disturbing? Leniency? They were originally charged the six with 2nd degree attempted murder and conspiracy to commit murder! In an adult court! And so far the DA lowered it to 2nd degree aggravated battery and conspiracy. They are calling tennis shoes the dangerous weapons!
http://www.dailykingfish.com/showDiary.do?diaryId=194

Probably the only place in the world that recognizes and yields to your sense of entitlement.
That word entitlement has been throw around a lot in post. It seems to me it's often used in conflict with the principle and application of protection of minorities in a democracy. As if the word minority should have no place in politics.
"...the fundamental features of a democracy include government based on majority rule and the consent of the governed, the existence of free and fair elections, the protection of minorities and respect for basic human rights."
http://www.economist.com/markets/rankings/displaystory.cfm?story_id=8908438

[Stevo]

Sure, it comes to mind, but I don't think it would be legally defensible or appropriate. All these kids knew each other. From what I understand the fight (jumping) occurred after a series of aggressive dialogue in the mist of several students. I guess is the lone student "crossed the line", which got his ass kicked. Take an extreme case, if a black guy was standing tough and cussed out a group of skin heads, would you be surprised he got jumped? Would you call it a hate crime? I wouldn't.



Good thing the DA doesn't have to ask you to define the law, as it is clearly written. One black guy talking smack to a group of skinheads is protected by law (freedom of speech). The six skinheads jumping the single black guy because he is black is a hate crime. Don't worry, the double standard with get them off with a lesser charge, racism will prevail, and our country will be a little shittier because of it. Congrats.

Stevo

[jones4stangs]

The bottom line is that white people are tired of being labeled as racist so that someone can gain an economic or political advantage when racism is so clearly evident all across the spectrum.
I get that white people are tired of being labeled as racist. Good. However, don't let the fact that you are white and not racist negate that there are still white racism problems in America. Spectrum of racism? You'll have to explain that better.

When the justice system takes a part in racial discrimination, that’s when people ought to demand change. This case is hot and has drawn the attention of civil rights groups and black radio stations because it appears to be exactly the kind of case that black people have historically negatively experienced and fought against.

The punishment must fit the crime. Does it in this case? From what I've heard and read thus far of this case the answer is... NO. Thank goodness for civil rights groups and concerned citizens. National attention has the good effect of making people play fair.

[Stevo]

The punishment must fit the crime. Does it in this case? From what I've heard and read thus far of this case the answer is... NO.

You are right, it isn't fair, THEY ARE GETTING OFF LIGHT according to the law. They committed a hate crime, some will be getting away with only being charged with assault, because they are black. The fact is, if the tables were turned and the six were white, there would be huge pressure from the same groups to push for a hate crime charge, instead they are black, so those groups are persuading the local government to downgrade the charges.

Stevo

[mikeb]

You are right, it isn't fair, THEY ARE GETTING OFF LIGHT according to the law. They committed a hate crime, some will be getting away with only being charged with assault, because they are black. The fact is, if the tables were turned and the six were white, there would be huge pressure from the same groups to push for a hate crime charge, instead they are black, so those groups are persuading the local government to downgrade the charges.

Stevo

Agreed. White suspects would have certainly been slapped with felony hate crime charges in this circumstance, and sharpton, jackson, and the aclu would have been making speeches and demands on TV.

[Kart21]

So wait, 6 darkies beat up a white guy and they want to go scott free. But if 6 white guys beat up a black guy it's maximum punishible charges.

X2

[jones4stangs]

Good thing the DA doesn't have to ask you to define the law, as it is clearly written. One black guy talking smack to a group of skinheads is protected by law (freedom of speech). The six skinheads jumping the single black guy because he is black is a hate crime. Don't worry, the double standard with get them off with a lesser charge, racism will prevail, and our country will be a little shittier because of it. Congrats.
Stevo
18 U.S.C. § 245 (b)(2), enacted in 1969, permits federal prosecution of people who "by force or threat of force willfully injures, intimidates or interferes with... any person because of his race, color, religion or national origin and because he is or has been" attempting to engage in one of six types of federally protected activities, such as voting or going to school.

I think I'm correct, as is the DA in this case, that it is not a hate crime.

[jones4stangs]

Racism is racism. It doesn't matter who's doing it or who they're doing it to.
And if you think caucasians in this country get equal treatment as African Americans, you couldn't be any more wrong. Should I really go down that road and bring up BET, Jet Magazine, the NAACP, the Black Caucus, Black History month, Black Panthers, etc etc?
Yes, please go down that road. You really have a problem with these things (excluding the Black Panthers)? Why? They represent racism to you?

[KJ94GT]

Yes, please go down that road. You really have a problem with these things (excluding the Black Panthers)? Why? They represent racism to you?

Would you have a problem with White Entertainment Television, Whites-Only Magazine, the National Association for the Advancement of White People, the White Caucus, White History month, KKK, scholarships for whites only because of their skin color, etc etc?
Any time you have separate this and separate that for different kinds of people, racial tension can prosper. Isn't that what MLK was trying to get rid of? Segregation? It's almost a form of segregation. For so long everyone has wanted equality. Now, they want separation. It makes no sense to me.
Not trying to pick a fight, only trying to make you see my point, as I'm trying to see your's.

[Stevo]

18 U.S.C. § 245 (b)(2), enacted in 1969, permits federal prosecution of people who "by force or threat of force willfully injures, intimidates or interferes with... any person because of his race, color, religion or national origin and because he is or has been" attempting to engage in one of six types of federally protected activities, such as voting or going to school.

I think I'm correct, as is the DA in this case, that it is not a hate crime.

Louisiana Law La. R.S. 14:107.2 cites a hate crime as:

A. It shall be unlawful for any person to select the victim of the
following offenses against person and property because of actual or
perceived race, age, gender, religion, color, creed, disability, sexual
orientation, national origin, or ancestry of that person or the owner or
occupant of that property; first or second degree murder, manslaughter,
battery, aggravated battery, second degree battery, aggravated assault,
terrorizing, mingling harmful substances, simple, forcible, or
aggravated rape, sexual battery, aggravated sexual battery, oral sexual
battery, aggravated oral sexual battery, carnal knowledge of a juvenile,
indecent behavior with juveniles, molestation of a juvenile, simple,
second degree, or aggravated kidnapping, simple or aggravated arson,
placing combustible materials, communicating of false information of
planned arson, simple or aggravated criminal damage to property,
contamination of water supplies, simple or aggravated burglary,
criminal trespass, simple, first degree, or armed robbery, purse
snatching, extortion, theft, desecration of graves, institutional
vandalism, or assault by drive-by-shooting.

No mention of interfering with, etc, any federally protected acts as a requirement in the state law.

EDIT:
By reducing the crimes to a misdemeanor, the DA circumvented this hate crimes law. I am sure this circumvention was a direct result of pressure from racist legal groups such as the NAACP, the ACLU, etc

Stevo

[jones4stangs]

Louisiana Law La. R.S. 14:107.2 cites a hate crime as:

No mention of interfering with, etc, any federally protected acts as a requirement in the state law.

EDIT:
By reducing the crimes to a misdemeanor, the DA circumvented this hate crimes law.
Stevo
Damn, I knew I should have checked the state law too :o I stand corrected.
I'm pretty doubt full it would apply to this situation, but I'll admit that it would be worth consideration. Nevertheless, from what I've heard/read about the case, I think it belongs in their juvenal system. What would you consider due punishment for kids fighting in school?

On Monday, December 4, at Jena High, a white student--who allegedly had been making racial taunts, including calling African American students "niggers" while supporting the students who hung the nooses and who beat up the black student at the off-campus party--was knocked down, punched and kicked by black students. The white victim was taken to the hospital treated and released. He attended a social function that evening. http://www.counterpunch.org/quigley07032007.html

[Cartman]

from that article you linked,

The LaSalle Parish clerk defended the all white group to the Alexandria Louisiana Town Talk newspaper saying that the jury pool was selected by computer. "The venire [panel of prospective jurors] is color blind. The idea is for the list to truly reflect the racial makeup of the community, but the system does not take race into factor." Officials said they had summoned 150 people, but these were the only people who showed up.


is it possible that out of the 150 summoned some of those could have been black and choose not to show up?

and the kid got hosed by his lawyer, that part sucks for him.

but it is still a hate crime any way you slice it. should the kids have gotten thrown out of school and maybe arrested for the noose thing sure, but two wrongs never makes anything right.

[Stevo]

What would you consider due punishment for kids fighting in school?



Two teenagers beating the hell out of each other over (insert various issues here) is a school fight, six teenage guys from one race planning, then beating the shit out of one guy from another race JUST BECAUSE HE IS OF A DIFFERENT RACE is a fucking hate crime.



Where does the state draw the line for the minimum age for being tried as an adult? If they are above that age, then they need to be tried according to what laws they have broken, in this case, committing a hate crime. The crime is aggravated assault with intent to cause bodily harm at the minimum (beating the person down then stomping/kicking them), and since it was committed due to racial hate, it is a hate crime. No other way to spin it, but I'm sure the slimballs from the ACLU will be helping the defense lawyers try just that.


Stevo

[Treadhead]

More than one against one is not a fight no matter where it happens or why. It is an assault and how much damage they do determines the severity of the charge. Did he deserve to get his ass kicked? I would say so but, not by 6 people at once. 16 year olds know enough to be charged in an adult court when it's something this serious. This applies to all skin colors.

[lefty1300]

Were Thier Any Other Whites Watching , That Didnt Help ??

[Denny]

TTT

Just to celebrate the ignorance that'll be on every news station today. :( I weep for this country.

[Fox466]

TTT

Just to celebrate the ignorance that'll be on every news station today. :( I weep for this country.


Saw that. In interviews the stupid motherfuckers are saying that "they feel like they are about to make history" and that "they are about to change the world forever".


Between the government throwing us under the bus on immigration and idiots like the ones you will see on the boob tube for the next week doing what they are, hope for a turn around in this country is rapidly growing dimmer... :(


Can anything be done or is the fat lady really warming up?

[Sean88gt]

If these fools had jobs, protesting would never happen.

And if the tables were turned these jerkoffs would be screaming foul and wanting white blood.

[Fox466]

If these fools had jobs, protesting would never happen.

And if the tables were turned these jerkoffs would be screaming foul and wanting white blood.


The news said that "the buses are pouring in"... :rolleyes:

[Sean88gt]

The news said that "the buses are pouring in"... :rolleyes:


Welfare should be cut off to everyone that is there that is collecting it, as they should be trying to get a job.

[Fox466]

Welfare should be cut off to everyone that is there that is collecting it, as they should be trying to get a job.

Fuck that. We need to set terrorists with RPGs up on all freeways leading into town...

[Sean88gt]

They would scream white conspiracy.

[fitzwell]

Welfare should be cut off to everyone that is there that is collecting it, as they should be trying to get a job.


I'm doing my part.

I'm at work, paying taxes to support all the people that took the bus ride today :mad:

[Sean88gt]

Likewise:mad:

[staticX]

Blacks can do no wrong....and if they do...the community bans together to help the opressed brotha out

Other countries have to see the issues we have and laugh, its embarrassing and it will never change until groups take responsiblity for there actions and label the crimes they commit for what they are and stop making excuses.

6 white kids beat up a black kid=hate crime
6 Black kids beat up white kid=he was angry so lets let him off the hook

Sorry it doesn't work that way

[jones4stangs]

Just to celebrate the ignorance that'll be on every news station today. I weep for this country.
Saw that. In interviews the stupid motherfuckers are saying that "they feel like they are about to make history" and that "they are about to change the world forever".
If these fools had jobs, protesting would never happen.
And if the tables were turned these jerkoffs would be screaming foul and wanting white blood.
Blacks can do no wrong....and if they do...the community bans together to help the opressed brotha out

Other countries have to see the issues we have and laugh, its embarrassing and it will never change until groups take responsiblity for there actions and label the crimes they commit for what they are and stop making excuses.

6 white kids beat up a black kid=hate crime
6 Black kids beat up white kid=he was angry so lets let him off the hook

Sorry it doesn't work that way
Your comments are ridiculous. You are so reminiscent of those assholes you see screaming and throwing stuff at protestors during the civil rights marches of old. Where is your sense of justice under the law? Not only are you uninterested in seeking it, you ignorantly criticize those who do have the courage to seek it.
You reticule people who think there is injustice in the prospect of sentencing a 16 year old as an adult for 2nd degree attempted murder or even 2nd degree aggravated battery for giving out a moderate ass kicking. Where are the checks and balances? The DA is overzealous, the defense attorney was incompetent, the jury was partial, and who knows what the judge was about to do. So you shine a big ass light on the situation and what happens? The conviction was overturned when a state appeals court said he should not have been tried as an adult. I'm all for punishing those who commit crimes; however the punishment must fit the crime. I commend those who are willing to go out of their way to seek justice for others.

I don't know where this idea that whites are treated harshly and black are treated leniently comes from. Most views of history and current studies all state the exact opposite. Hell, even in this situation all the white students involved have received light punishments if any punishment at all.

You talk a lot of shit. What would it take for you to deal out a good ass kicking? Are you some pussy who would never stand up for himself?

From all accounts I've read, they didn't beat the shit out of that kid.
The white teen who was beaten, Justin Barker, was knocked unconscious, his face badly swollen and bloodied, though he was able to attend a school function later that night. They should not have jumped his dumb ass. They deserved to get arrested for what they did. But you can't dismiss the circumstance of the kids and the school, nor prosecute them for crimes they didn't commit.

Then again, Remy can't see truth through all his own problems. Go head Remy, do your thing.

[Mustangman_2000]

I don't know where this idea that whites are treated harshly and black are treated leniently comes from.

Ask yourself this question...

If the situation was reversed what do you think the reaction would be from the ACLU, NAACP, and Al Sharpton camps? Do you think there would or would not be a public outcry from the black community? If you can't see the contrast or simply see the nauseating double standard then you are deluded.


From all accounts I've read, they didn't beat the shit out of that kid.
[COLOR=Navy]The white teen who was beaten, Justin Barker, was knocked unconscious, his face badly swollen and bloodied, though he was able to attend a school function later that night.

You're logic is skewed. In your mind getting knocked unconscious, swollen face, and bleeding is NOT getting your ass beat? :confused:

^That is possibly the worst case of equivocating I've seen in this thread as of yet.

[jones4stangs]

You're logic is skewed. In your mind getting knocked unconscious, swollen face, and bleeding is NOT getting your ass beat? :confused:

^That is possibly the worst case of equivocating I've seen in this thread as of yet.
What do you think of when you hear 6 on 1? Sounds kind of like something that could come close to attempted murder. Was it?
http://news.yahoo.com/photo/070919/480/7b4a6f668d1d457bb9a96cc57fc23abd

[black01gt]

What do you think of when you hear 6 on 1?
Gang activity.

[jones4stangs]

Gang activity.
:) That's fair, but in this case it was the football team.

[Denny]

:) That's fair, but in this case it was the football team.
A gang that just happened to be on the same football team. Your trying to defend their actions makes you out to be just like them, Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton, and all the rest that think they have a free ride and a right to do whatever because they're black. You fucking pathetic pieces of trash make me sick! Any opinion/statement you EVER make on here will not be taken with any seriousness, period.

Any way you look at it, six on one in an attempt to end a life (and chickenshit).

From every post you make, I can tell you were black. Why? Not because of ebonics, slang, etc., but because of your constant siding for people like this. It's pretty sad when people can read you that way.

[black01gt]

:) That's fair, but in this case it was the football team.
Still gang activity.

It's pretty clear that this whole thing has been blown way out of proportion. The kid that said.."can we just forget this happened?" needs a lesson in life but not an overstated situation.
The folks that boarded buses and headed for this small town are grandstanding IMO, and can only make things worse. The town should handle it's own affairs with the blacks and whites coming to their own understanding.

[Denny]

Still gang activity.

It's pretty clear that this whole thing has been blown way out of proportion. The kid that said.."can we just forget this happened?" needs a lesson in life but not an overstated situation.
The folks that boarded buses and headed for this small town are grandstanding IMO, and can only make things worse. The town should handle it's own affairs with the blacks and whites coming to their own understanding.
Gang activity- busing thousands from around the country to protest.

[jones4stangs]

Ask yourself this question...

If the situation was reversed what do you think the reaction would be from the ACLU, NAACP, and Al Sharpton camps? Do you think there would or would not be a public outcry from the black community? If you can't see the contrast or simply see the nauseating double standard then you are deluded.
Which parts do you want to look at as reversed?
Are you staying if 1 of 6 white students who beat up a black student, 16 years old, arrested, charged with 2nd degree attempted murder by a black DA, sat almost a year in jail cause he could pay bond in a town with a black majority, and convicted by an all black jury...that you wouldn't expect the white community (or yourself for that matter) to challenge the system he was in? You think people would be ok, and stand by while all six received maximum sentences for crimes that don't even equal their actions?

The organizations you mentioned specialize in giving a voice to those unable to do it themselves. If it was your child, what organizations would you contact? Who would relate to your circumstances and help speak out for you? What steps would you take to challenge the DA?

[Denny]

Which parts do you want to look at as reversed?
Are you staying if 1 of 6 white students who beat up a black student, 16 years old, arrested, charged with 2nd degree attempted murder by a black DA, sat almost a year in jail cause he could pay bond in a town with a black majority, and convicted by an all black jury...that you wouldn't expect the white community (or yourself for that matter) to challenge the system he was in? You think people would be ok, and stand by while all six received maximum sentences for crimes that don't even equal their actions?

The organizations you mentioned specialize in giving a voice to those unable to do it themselves. If it was your child, what organizations would you contact? Who would relate to your circumstances and help speak out for you? What steps would you take to challenge the DA?
It still sounds rational to civilized people either way. Those organizations are just puppet masters and all of you are on strings. Are you not embarrassed? :confused:

[jones4stangs]

The town should handle it's own affairs with the blacks and whites coming to their own understanding.
I agree, but this is not what happened in this town. In this town, those boys were getting railroaded. In this town, thing didn't start resimbling justice until it received national attention. In this country, black people did not receive equal treatment until they went out into the streets. Should of, would of, could of, if you want to fight injustice you better get out into the streets and make yourself heard.

[Denny]

I agree, but this is not what happened in this town. In this town, those boys were getting railroaded. In this town, thing didn't start resimbling justice until it received national attention. In this country, black people did not receive equal treatment until they went out into the streets. Should of, would of, could of, if you want to fight injustice you better get out into the streets and make yourself heard.
And you think they'll get equal treatment by making a dog & pony show of this?

[Casper]

I'm all for having special exceptions for those of inferior races.

Those who are less than human should be treated as less than human. Like dogs.

[Denny]

I'm all for having special exceptions for those of inferior races.

Those who are less than human should be treated as less than human. Like dogs.
Holy fuck! DAAAAAMN, I say!

BTW, I love you... no, really.

[Mustangman_2000]

The organizations you mentioned specialize in giving a voice to those unable to do it themselves. If it was your child, what organizations would you contact? Who would relate to your circumstances and help speak out for you? What steps would you take to challenge the DA?


All I can say is that it must be really sad to go through life seeing yourself as a victim of society.

How do you feel about people like Bill Cosby that are basically shunned by the black community for being honest about issues surrounding lifestyle. He openly criticized blacks who don't take responsibility for their economic status, blaming police and the system for their incarcerations, using welfare checks to buy 100 dollar shoes, teach their kids poor speaking habits, and blowing off education.

I would be too embarrassed to feel that I need an institution to advocate on my behalf. I would want to stand on my own two feet and make my own way. The opportunity is there for anyone in modern America.

Everything with blacks in particular is all about the double standard. i.e. Hate Crimes, Blacks casually calling each other a "nigger", etc...

It's all non-sense.

[Sean88gt]

I'm all for having special exceptions for those of inferior races.

Those who are less than human should be treated as less than human. Like dogs.


I could hug you right now you racist old fucker!:D

I'm not missing the point jones4stangs, I am saying I want equal justice. Not special justice. These black kids got what a group of white kids would have if the situation was reversed. Open your eyes and look at what is happening.

[Casper]

I could hug you right now you racist old fucker!:D

I'm not missing the point jones4stangs, I am saying I want equal justice. Not special justice. These black kids got what a group of white kids would have if the situation was reversed. Open your eyes and look at what is happening.

Hey, it is just common sense that those of like race will intermingle and reproduce within their race. I mean, it still is illegal in most places to have sex outside your race, and interracial marriages are not even recognized by law. The law applies across one race only, that is the human race.

Oh, did you think I meant...
:p

[jones4stangs]

All I can say is that it must be really sad to go through life seeing yourself as a victim of society.

How do you feel about people like Bill Cosby that are basically shunned by the black community for being honest about issues surrounding lifestyle. He openly criticized blacks who don't take responsibility for their economic status, blaming police and the system for their incarcerations, using welfare checks to buy 100 dollar shoes, teach their kids poor speaking habits, and blowing off education.

I would be too embarrassed to feel that I need an institution to advocate on my behalf. I would want to stand on my own two feet and make my own way. The opportunity is there for anyone in modern America.

Everything with blacks in particular is all about the double standard. i.e. Hate Crimes, Blacks casually calling each other a "nigger", etc...

It's all non-sense.
I don't see myself as a victim in society. The black community does not shun Bill Cosby. Labor unions and the NRA operate the same as civil rights organizations. A black double standard is a myth.

[GA Racer]

I don't see myself as a victim in society. The black community does not shun Bill Cosby. Labor unions and the NRA operate the same as civil rights organizations. A black double standard is a myth.

Labor unions, Coalition Push, and the NAACP do all operate very much the same. They work to get concessions given to their organizations and/or members through intimidation and coercion when their members are unable or unwilling to get same by their own initiatives, skills, and talents :( . But, the NRA? :confused:

[98COBRA#770]

I've been keeping up with this as it has now grown!

How close are we to a civil war really?

Let's say hummm Germany sends over 1000 hard ass white English speaking
people to start trouble. They hurry home and set back and watch the fun?

I only use them because if you know history they have tried this before in other
contries.

Somebody needs to say enough!

[jones4stangs]

I've been keeping up with this as it has now grown!

How close are we to a civil war really?

Let's say hummm Germany sends over 1000 hard ass white English speaking
people to start trouble. They hurry home and set back and watch the fun?

I only use them because if you know history they have tried this before in other
contries.

Somebody needs to say enough!
Civil War? Between whom? Whites and Blacks? I'd say race relations in this country have never been better.

[Stevo]

Civil War? Between whom? Whites and Blacks? I'd say race relations in this country have never been better.

I'd say is only your opinion.

Stevo

[Sean88gt]

Civil War? Between whom? Whites and Blacks? I'd say race relations in this country have never been better.


I think you are missing the obvious then. I think race relations are very volatile. Talk to most whites and they are either fed up getting blamed for everything or feeling like they are carrying everyone. You also have the whites that are ass kissing the other races and on some level anti-white, which only make it worse because it gives annoys the other races. There are so many double standards it is unreal.

[jones4stangs]

I think you are missing the obvious then. I think race relations are very volatile. Talk to most whites and they are either fed up getting blamed for everything or feeling like they are carrying everyone. You also have the whites that are ass kissing the other races and on some level anti-white, which only make it worse because it gives annoys the other races. There are so many double standards it is unreal.
These sound more like political party differences, not race. Do you think the Republican and Democratic Parties are at such a difference that it will start a civil war? What do you feel white people get blamed for in this country? What double standards are you referring to? Are you referring to affirmative action programs or something else? Maybe you could pull some example off the web to support your thoughts.

I can not see how race relations are currently more volatile now than in previous times in our history. What white vs. black issues can you think of that would be worth killing or dying?

[Sean88gt]

How about Imus? He made a throw away comment regarding a bunch of girls and it was automatically thought to be racist and he lost his job. Ever listen to Steve Harvey or Tom Joyner? They slay white people on there.

The case in Jena is a damn good one. If whites had been the attackers, they would have been charged with a hate crime, case closed. But when the blacks get hit with a hate crime, it is considered unexpected.

Affirmative action is BS. I've lost bids to minority owned companies when I was cheaper, but they got it due to race status. How is that fair?

Want to get into words and how certain groups can use them and certain groups can't? (this is a one way street BTW. Minorities have carte blanche when it comes to use of words, context, etc.)

I didn't say it was worth dying or killing for. But people will get fed up with it and being policed in their thoughts and just go on doing what they want, and that will lead to some issues, because everyone has to put their feelings on display.

[98COBRA#770]

Yea well go visit Janis right now if things are so great!


My white ass will be in BFE where I have already had to pull a AK-47 on 3 car loads
intent on beating my 18 year son to a pulp. They left after I explained the police
are 30 minutes away thats about 10 clips in my vest.....i.e. a work out 7.62 talking.

Never say what you will or will not do till you have over whelming odds in your yard armed as well (I am guessing) and making no bones anout what is about to happen to your first born. 18 or not he's my son i.e. you will pry my cold dead fingers off the trigger before they get into my house.


This was un provoked over a girl....... :rolleyes:

[98COBRA#770]

Ooops guess I struck a nerve.

Soooooooo whats the count up to today? 20K

Did anyone see that dumb ass inbreed driving around with nooses on his truck?
He got arressted for hate crimes and will be locked away.

What I have a problem with is the open hate for white people in general is this
not hate crimes as well. I have read some of there signs and well they cross
the line alot.

See dumb=dumb.

I am only racist againt those who are racist against me.