View Full Version : A message to Kerry from Iraq
ALLAN
08-27-2007, 10:46 AM
:D
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thesource
08-27-2007, 12:38 PM
Is that retard running again this time around ?
Fobra
08-27-2007, 07:33 PM
HA! I almost missed it since I didn't see the message until I highlighted the picture :D
Mustangman_2000
08-28-2007, 08:58 PM
kind of shitty in a way.
regardless of his current political affiliation or beliefs it doesn't take away from the fact that john kerry is a decorated vietnam veteran.
he served his country just like those douchebags that made that graffiti are doing in iraq.
Pro Trash
08-28-2007, 09:40 PM
kind of shitty in a way.
regardless of his current political affiliation or beliefs it doesn't take away from the fact that john kerry is a decorated vietnam veteran.
he served his country just like those douchebags that made that graffiti are doing in iraq.
I found the statement on the bridge a little distasteful because it proves to insurgents that Americans are at odds with their own politicians. To me it feeds the insurgent ideals. I do feel that your statement about those serving is more pathetic though. You see these gentlemen serving our country in Iraq are earning the liberties that allow you to make dick headed comments about them.
Vertnut
08-28-2007, 10:06 PM
I found the statement on the bridge a little distasteful because it proves to insurgents that Americans are at odds with their own politicians. To me it feeds the insurgent ideals. I do feel that your statement about those serving is more pathetic though. You see these gentlemen serving our country in Iraq are earning the liberties that allow you to make dick headed comments about them.
Compared to congress, the comment on a shitty bridge will not "stoke the fire" any more for the insurgents about this country's "division"...
Mustangman_2000
08-28-2007, 10:44 PM
I do feel that your statement about those serving is more pathetic though. You see these gentlemen serving our country in Iraq are earning the liberties that allow you to make dick headed comments about them.
the reason i used the term douchebags is because they are exactly that for denigrating a fellow military servicemen and veteran.
just because someone wears a military uniform doesn't automatically imbue them with honor. if they have the maturity level of a 3 year old and show utter disregard for fellow servicemen it doesn't really mean much.
Johnsredgt50
08-28-2007, 11:13 PM
Some of you need to stop being political fags and stop putting your political fag spin on it. Like your a fucking politician or some shit. See it for what it is...a funny ass picture!
Good shit Allan!
Vertnut
08-29-2007, 06:10 AM
Some of you need to stop being political fags and stop putting your political fag spin on it. Like your a fucking politician or some shit. See it for what it is...a funny ass picture!
Good shit Allan!
It is very humorous, and Allan did post it in the "Political" forum...
Johnsredgt50
08-29-2007, 07:58 AM
It is very humorous, and Allan did post it in the "Political" forum...
only because it has something to do with a political fag :D
shrp88lx's
08-29-2007, 03:44 PM
just because someone wears a military uniform doesn't automatically imbue them with honor. if they have the maturity level of a 3 year old and show utter disregard for fellow servicemen it doesn't really mean much. you just described John Kerry to the letter!! Congrats!!
Mustangman_2000
08-29-2007, 04:28 PM
you just described John Kerry to the letter!! Congrats!!
sure....
john kerry is a decorated vietnam veteran.
what are you?
Treadhead
08-29-2007, 06:31 PM
Have you forgotten about John Kerry and his comments regarding those in the military? He is a piece of shit.
mikeb
08-29-2007, 06:45 PM
the reason i used the term douchebags is because they are exactly that for denigrating a fellow military servicemen and veteran.
Kerry did it first :)
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John Kerry is a piece of shit who came back from Vietnam and did his best to undermine the morale of the troops left in the field. I don't care how many medals he got over there it is still possible for him to be an asshat.
shrp88lx's
08-30-2007, 11:28 AM
sure....
john kerry is a decorated vietnam veteran.
what are you?decorated gulf war veteran..yourself?
Mustangman_2000
08-30-2007, 01:39 PM
decorated gulf war veteran..yourself?
if that's true, then i don't understand your lack of respect for a fellow veteran. he did oppose the war in vietnam, but he served and collected a handful of medals while he was there. george bush did everything in his power to avoid combat by getting into the air national guard and then subsequently had a dubious military record and ultimately got suspended from flight status for not taking the mandated physical/drug test.
you can vilify the man all you want because of his liberal values, but went to vietnam and even received a medal for bravery under fire. liberal or not he wasn't a coward.
i think people should look at the whole picture. a lot of "liberals" are military vets.
shrp88lx's
08-30-2007, 02:05 PM
if that's true, then i don't understand your lack of respect for a fellow veteran. he did oppose the war in vietnam, but he served and collected a handful of medals while he was there. george bush did everything in his power to avoid combat by getting into the air national guard and then subsequently had a dubious military record and ultimately got suspended from flight status for not taking the mandated physical/drug test.
you can vilify the man all you want because of his liberal values, but went to vietnam and even received a medal for bravery under fire. liberal or not he wasn't a coward.
i think people should look at the whole picture. a lot of "liberals" are military vets.
I dont give a crap about his liberal values it has nothing to do with it for me, He came back and LIED about other soldiers still over there calling them all kinds of things, you said it yourself
just because someone wears a military uniform doesn't automatically imbue them with honor. if they have the maturity level of a 3 year old and show utter disregard for fellow servicemen it doesn't really mean much.
Pro Trash
08-30-2007, 02:08 PM
Some of you need to stop being political fags and stop putting your political fag spin on it. Like your a fucking politician or some shit. See it for what it is...a funny ass picture!
Good shit Allan!
Hey Jarhead this is not the Marines, opinions are allowed, LOL!
Paladin
09-01-2007, 09:11 PM
If we could just get gpamp and black01gt in here getting their panties in a wad over this, we could make fun at them all at the same time! LOL
Paladin
09-01-2007, 09:13 PM
the reason i used the term douchebags is because they are exactly that for denigrating a fellow military servicemen and veteran.
just because someone wears a military uniform doesn't automatically imbue them with honor. if they have the maturity level of a 3 year old and show utter disregard for fellow servicemen it doesn't really mean much.
You type this stuff and have no clue how stupid you look, do you? Kerry came back from war and lied and denigrated his fellow service men, and you think we should honor him just because he wore the uniform, even though he disgraced himself while wearing it. LOL!
forever_frost
09-01-2007, 09:27 PM
You know, honestly, I'm suprised he came back at all. Bitches in combat tend to..... have accidents
GA Racer
09-03-2007, 08:44 PM
kind of shitty in a way.
regardless of his current political affiliation or beliefs it doesn't take away from the fact that john kerry is a decorated vietnam veteran.
he served his country just like those douchebags that made that graffiti are doing in iraq.
The swift boat veterans that served with Kerry don't think much of him and they know him better than you or I.
Pro Trash
09-03-2007, 09:32 PM
The swift boat veterans that served with Kerry don't think much of him and they know him better than you or I.
Others feel a little different, the date being the key. I would have had a lot more respect for these guys had they challenged his run for Senate but face it this was simply a rich guy trying to push his agenda on the American public using Vets as his mega horn. I don't think very highly of Kerry but I don't find the Vets very credible either.
Swift Boat Veterans for Truth (SBVT) "registered their group under Section 527 of the U.S. tax code and went public at a news conference held in the National Press Club in Washington, D.C. on May 4, 2004." [1]
The group, rebranded as Swift Vets and POWs for Truth, is an advocacy organization formed in 2004 by opponents of John Kerry's U.S. presidential campaign. (The group's name refers to the class of boat on which Kerry and some of the organization's members served in the Vietnam War.)
Primary projects have been: their www.swiftvets.com website, the book Unfit for Command: Swift Boat Veterans Speak Out Against John Kerry (released by the conservative Regnery Publishing), and a series of television advertisements challenging John Kerry's military record and activism against the Vietnam War.
The group's credibility has been challenged due to misleading, false or inconsistent statements. [2][3] A detailed review of the claims in their book is also available. [4]
The SBVT propaganda smear campaign was financed by Sam Fox, a billionaire and hardline rightwinger.[5] The fact that Fox financed this project was revealed during his Senate confirmation hearings to become US ambassador to Belgium. Although the Senate blocked his confirmation pointing out Fox's pernicious activities, George Bush appointed Fox over the authority of the Senate during a "Senate recess". Furthermore, the PR company responsible for the SBVT (and whose bill Fox paid) was Arthur J. Finkelstein and Associates run by Arthur J. Finkelstein, the "dirty-tricks guy for the Republicans". [6] Finkelstein is best know for his black-propaganda campaigns that are primarily character assassinations or smearing -- as the SBVT campaign demonstrates.
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Swift_Boat_Veterans_for_Truth
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sure....
john kerry is a decorated vietnam veteran.
what are you?
Decorated GWOT veteran...
You?
Pro88LX
09-03-2007, 09:55 PM
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LMAO
Mustangman_2000
09-04-2007, 12:42 AM
You type this stuff and have no clue how stupid you look, do you? Kerry came back from war and lied and denigrated his fellow service men, and you think we should honor him just because he wore the uniform, even though he disgraced himself while wearing it. LOL!
he didn't disgrace himself while wearing a uniform. he's a decorated vietnam veteran and is not something you can debase simply because you're critical of anyone who is liberal.
what is controversial, is how he joined a vietnam veterans opposition group while he was still in the reserves. he, along with many others, opposed the war in vietnam but still actually served in vietnam.
he or they didn't weasel their way into the air national guard to avoid combat, then subsequently got suspended from flight status for declining to take a mandatory physical/drug test. like your buddy george bush. ;)
Mustangman_2000
09-04-2007, 12:45 AM
The swift boat veterans that served with Kerry don't think much of him and they know him better than you or I.
The Swift Boat Veterans for Truth Group that tried to launch a smear campaign against John Kerry was subsidized by a conservative group.
It was a well organized smear campaign to try to discredit and embarrass John Kerry during his election run.
It was and has been debunked as being politically motivated and false.
They are and were a complete joke.
black01gt
09-04-2007, 01:05 AM
The Swift Boat Veterans Group that try to launch a smear campaign against John Kerry was subsidized by a conservative group.
It was a well organized smear campaign to try and discredit and embarrass John Kerry during his election run.
It was and has been debunked at being a serious of false statements and hyperbole.
They are and were a complete joke.
If you think you'll get your ass kicked in a fair fight...sucker punch the bastard. Who needs honor and integrity these days? ...Karl Rove :D
Paladin
09-04-2007, 05:47 AM
he didn't disgrace himself while wearing a uniform. he's a decorated vietnam veteran and is not something you can debase simply because you're critical of anyone who is liberal.
what is controversial, is how he joined a vietnam veterans opposition group while he was still in the reserves. he, along with many others, opposed the war in vietnam but still actually served in vietnam.
he or they didn't weasel their way into the air national guard to avoid combat, then subsequently got suspended from flight status for declining to take a mandatory physical/drug test. like your buddy george bush. ;)
So being in uniform while lying about soldiers killing and raping people is not disgracing the uniform? We can just agree to disagree on that point dude.
Paladin
09-04-2007, 05:49 AM
The Swift Boat Veterans for Truth Group that tried to launch a smear campaign against John Kerry was subsidized by a conservative group.
It was a well organized smear campaign to try to discredit and embarrass John Kerry during his election run.
It was and has been debunked as being politically motivated and false.
They are and were a complete joke.
It's funny how you say they were debunked and false. The men who served with him have their opinion about the events that transpired and you choose to believe Kerry's version even after he testified about killing and raping of women that never occurred. Who is the liar in all of this?
You have not let go of your liberal tendencies and biases, that is for sure.
Walsted
09-04-2007, 06:09 AM
he didn't disgrace himself while wearing a uniform. he's a decorated vietnam veteran and is not something you can debase simply because you're critical of anyone who is liberal.
what is controversial, is how he joined a vietnam veterans opposition group while he was still in the reserves. he, along with many others, opposed the war in vietnam but still actually served in vietnam.
he or they didn't weasel their way into the air national guard to avoid combat, then subsequently got suspended from flight status for declining to take a mandatory physical/drug test. like your buddy george bush. ;)
I think you missed the point. Veterans don't hate Kerry for being against Viet Nam - they hate him for falsely testifying before Congress that his fellow veterans were committing war crimes and other atrocities in Viet Nam. As a veteran, I believe that shows that he has no honor, especially among veterans. It was even worse since we were still involved in hostilities, and his comments were appreciated by our enemy.
Our buddy George Bush did not falsely testify that his fellow servicemembers were committing war crimes. He may have been a slacker, but at least in my opinion, he didn't dishonor other veterans.
Others may disagree.
Paladin
09-04-2007, 06:13 AM
I think you missed the point. Veterans don't hate Kerry for being against Viet Nam - they hate him for falsely testifying before Congress that his fellow veterans were committing war crimes and other atrocities in Viet Nam. As a veteran, I believe that shows that he has no honor, especially among veterans. It was even worse since we were still involved in hostilities, and his comments were appreciated by our enemy.
Our buddy George Bush did not falsely testify that his fellow servicemembers were committing war crimes. He may have been a slacker, but at least in my opinion, he didn't dishonor other veterans.
Others may disagree.
I agree. As bad as that bitch Jane Fonda was, Kerry makes her look good. She wasn't wearing a uniform while she aided the enemy.
Craizie
09-04-2007, 06:15 AM
You might be the biggest tool I have ever seen. Your whole argument is based around the "fact" that these people are bashing him solely because they are conservatives and he is a liberal. When every time you refute their argument, you bring up something about Bush or something that has nothing to do with the subject at hand. In fact I think the only reason you are defending him is because you are a liberal, and so is he. I have never understood the thought patterns of people like your self.
he didn't disgrace himself while wearing a uniform. he's a decorated vietnam veteran and is not something you can debase simply because you're critical of anyone who is liberal.
what is controversial, is how he joined a vietnam veterans opposition group while he was still in the reserves. he, along with many others, opposed the war in vietnam but still actually served in vietnam.
he or they didn't weasel their way into the air national guard to avoid combat, then subsequently got suspended from flight status for declining to take a mandatory physical/drug test. like your buddy george bush. ;)
Pro88LX
09-04-2007, 05:25 PM
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Mustangman_2000
09-06-2007, 12:29 AM
I think you missed the point. Veterans don't hate Kerry for being against Viet Nam - they hate him for falsely testifying before Congress that his fellow veterans were committing war crimes and other atrocities in Viet Nam. As a veteran, I believe that shows that he has no honor, especially among veterans. It was even worse since we were still involved in hostilities, and his comments were appreciated by our enemy.
Our buddy George Bush did not falsely testify that his fellow servicemembers were committing war crimes. He may have been a slacker, but at least in my opinion, he didn't dishonor other veterans.
Others may disagree.
You think those testimonies were false?
Do you realize that there are a plethora of well documented cases of atrocities in Vietnam committed by U.S. Servicemen. Over an 8 year period in Vietnam there were 278 U.S. Servicemen convicted of serious War crimes against the Vietnamese. One of the most infamous case being the My Lai Massacre...Hundreds killed, indiscriminate killing of women, children, infants, and rape.
False testimony of war atrocities you say? How naive.
I think it's certainly possible his allegations of misconduct and brutality were true.
and rape.
Gotta get that ass some how.
Walsted
09-06-2007, 09:00 PM
You think those testimonies were false?
Do you realize that there are a plethora of well documented cases of atrocities in Vietnam committed by U.S. Servicemen. Over an 8 year period in Vietnam there were 278 U.S. Servicemen convicted of serious War crimes against the Vietnamese. One of the most infamous case being the My Lai Massacre...Hundreds killed, indiscriminate killing of women, children, infants, and rape.
False testimony of war atrocities you say? How naive.
I think it's certainly possible his allegations of misconduct and brutality were true.
...I would like to talk, representing all those veterans, and say that several months ago in Detroit, we had an investigation at which over 150 honorably discharged and many very highly decorated veterans testified to war crimes committed in Southeast Asia, not isolated incidents but crimes committed on a day-to-day basis with the full awareness of officers at all levels of command. (emphasis mine)
They told the stories at times they had personally raped, cut off ears, cut off heads, taped wires from portable telephones to human genitals and turned up the power, cut off limbs, blown up bodies, randomly shot at civilians, razed villages in fashion reminiscent of Genghis Khan, shot cattle and dogs for fun, poisoned food stocks, and generally ravaged the countryside of South Vietnam in addition to the normal ravage of war, and the normal and very particular ravaging which is done by the applied bombing power of this country....
That quote is the one with which veterans have problems. Yes, there are criminals in the military. However, implying that all levels of the chain of command were aware of criminal activity and passively approving that activity paints the whole military as a criminal organization, and gives the enemy (which held our POWs at the time) a large propoganda victory. If he believed his allegations to be true, the time and place to bring them forward would have been privately, while he was in country, with his chain of command. To wait as long as he did, and then to do it in a public forum, shows he was not concerned with the alleged crimes. Instead, he did it in a public forum, gaining personal publicity and handing the Viet Cong a propoganda victory, and breaking faith with those serving and who have served. His testimony enabled the Viet Cong to justify their tortures of POWs by citing his congressional testimony stating that we did the same.
Again, the most important point is he broke faith. People in the military have to be able to have faith that other service members will not cause unnecessary harm to them during hostilities, and to their best to prevent others from harming them during hostilities, even if they hate their guts. His actions hurt POWs and the war effort. Being a veteran, he wouldn't get my vote if he were a conservative and the only Republican on the ticket.
I think the veterans here already know my point. Hopefully I have explained it well enough for those who haven't served to get the idea I am trying to express.
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