What would you buy? [Archive]

Pokulski-Blatz

08-22-2007, 07:18 PM

If you had $800 lying around for a new semi auto handgun what would you buy?

Ted

08-22-2007, 07:20 PM

I'd buy whatever I could find for the cheapest off the street, and then buy crack; lots of crack, and then I'd start my empire, and then I'd go out like Tony Montana.

Pokulski-Blatz

08-22-2007, 07:21 PM

I'd buy whatever I could find for the cheapest off the street, and then buy crack; lots of crack, and then I'd start my empire, and then I'd go out like Tony Montana.

lmao whatever man lol.

ELVIS

08-22-2007, 07:22 PM

an h&k or a 1911

god bless.

That_Is_My_El_Camino

08-22-2007, 07:26 PM

Well, if it had to be a semi-auto, I'd look for a Dan Wesson or Smith & Wesson in 10mm. Otherwise, it'd be a Taurus Raging Bull in .500 Smith & Wesson.

Trip McNeely

08-22-2007, 07:45 PM

Save a tiny bit more, and get a Sig Sauer P226.

Honneur 05

08-22-2007, 07:56 PM

Forget the P226! Pick up a P220 Equinox, Combat, or Elite!

Trip McNeely

08-22-2007, 07:57 PM

Forget the P226! Pick up a P220 Equinox, Combat, or Elite!
I prefer the .40 over the .45. ;)

jwalk

08-22-2007, 07:58 PM

H&K, because I am too cheap to own one.

Pokulski-Blatz

08-22-2007, 08:03 PM

Save a tiny bit more, and get a Sig Sauer P226.
I just bought a sig P6 ... the 226 is just a double stack 225 I dont see the sence in buying another

Pokulski-Blatz

08-22-2007, 08:04 PM

Well, if it had to be a semi-auto, I'd look for a Dan Wesson or Smith & Wesson in 10mm. Otherwise, it'd be a Taurus Raging Bull in .500 Smith & Wesson.

I think i want something in eather .45 or 9mm this time around

Pokulski-Blatz

08-22-2007, 08:06 PM

an h&k or a 1911

god bless.

what kind of 1911? I just sold a kimber pro carry II and didnt not have a very good experiance with it. I doubt i will ever buy another second series kimber again

as for H&k that has been one of my lusts ... p2000pk i think

Trip McNeely

08-22-2007, 08:10 PM

If you are looking for a .45 and you already own a Sig, Id definately look at a 1911. Colt or Dan Wesson IMO.

Pokulski-Blatz

08-22-2007, 08:23 PM

If you are looking for a .45 and you already own a Sig, Id definately look at a 1911. Colt or Dan Wesson IMO.

whatever i buy is also gonna doubble as a carry gun ... but i want it to be something i can shoot atleast 2 times a week and holsters are lmited for 4 inch 911s .. so think that might be out

Trip McNeely

08-22-2007, 08:25 PM

Well damn it, you keep adding criteria. lol Fuck it, get a Glock 23 and spend the other 300 modding it. :cool: I love mine.

propellerhead

08-22-2007, 08:29 PM

I'd go with a small 1911.

smoke14me

08-23-2007, 12:22 AM

Glock 30 45. Caliber, with a few hundred for mods.

Stephen

08-23-2007, 12:23 AM

i agree with ted!!!

03machman

08-23-2007, 12:32 AM

i want a glock so i can shoot a nigga :D

GrayStangGT

08-23-2007, 01:46 AM

1911

91whitebttlehatch

08-23-2007, 03:13 AM

1911 imo

Amackwantsabeast

08-23-2007, 03:15 AM

glock 23 ftw

Pokulski-Blatz

08-23-2007, 05:42 AM

shot a glock afew days ago and wasnt that fond of it ... I would be more apt to buying another 1911 ... are there conversions to go from .45 acp to 9mm ?

That_Is_My_El_Camino

08-23-2007, 06:29 AM

shot a glock afew days ago and wasnt that fond of it ... I would be more apt to buying another 1911 ... are there conversions to go from .45 acp to 9mm ?Check out an EAA Witness. You could get one in .45 ACP, and one in 9mm, and still have $100 or so left over.

Pokulski-Blatz

08-23-2007, 06:52 AM

I am really looking for a Pre series II kimber right now ... prefer a 4 inch

Pokulski-Blatz

08-23-2007, 08:00 AM

Check out an EAA Witness. You could get one in .45 ACP, and one in 9mm, and still have $100 or so left over.

However, the Witness does have some weaker points that need to be considered. Its accuracy was fairly mediocre, and this was the main reason it was eventually replaced by a Glock 20C. Its trigger has a long reach and is quite heavy, especially in double-action. Unlike most double-action pistols, however, it can be carried with the hammer cocked and the safety on ("cocked and locked") which somewhat makes up for this shortcoming. Also, the pistol was rather crudely finished, with visible tool marks and imperfections in the bluing that marred its appearance.

My .40 version of this gun has a problem with the plunger under the trigger bar. It "POPPED" out once and making the gun inop and released the mag release button from its place.

I dunno ... i think i would rather spend my money on one gun and trust it

Pokulski-Blatz

08-23-2007, 08:31 AM

Found a springfeild 1911 loaded for around 400 bucks and a colt python for around 600
the python was made in 1972 .... all original and it is nickle good deal for 600?

the 1911 has a bunch of work done list is below ... good deal for 400?

springfield loaded frame, with wilson xtra-wide thumb safety and extended slide release
stippled and relieved frontstrap
thinning in grip/trigger guard areas
Ajacx black "buffalo horn" grips,,ie: shiny black smooth, plastic. not cracked but a few scratches.
coated in Laur weaponry's Durabake flat black
steel upper, unmarked from Caspian, relieved ejection port and Hi VIz adjustable target sights..
also has a Kimber barrel with fitted barrel bushing
Coated with flat black Laur weaponry's Durabake.

which one to buy? whats the better deal?

GT98SVO

08-23-2007, 11:28 AM

Para Colonel .45 is around 800. I think it is an LDA PXT hi-cap model.

Some of the H&K's are in 800 range, USP or P30.

$1000 is magic number for a lot of semi-auto pistols. Then the polymers hover around $450-550, except for aforementioned H&K models, Kimber model.

The FN Five-seven pistol is around 800. I like the idea behind that type of round in a pistol, but don't know much about FN.

11B2V_Mike

08-23-2007, 12:58 PM

since you weren't a fan of the kimber pro carry II, i'd get a glock 19 ~450 ish and spend the rest of the money on a case of ammo and an advanced pistol or pistol/rifle class.

That_Is_My_El_Camino

08-23-2007, 01:12 PM

I dunno ... i think i would rather spend my money on one gun and trust itThe average group results in the chart show just how well a basic service-grade Standard Witness pistol will perform right from the box—well within the standard law enforcement and military performance threshold of 4.5-inch overall average group performance at 25 yards. The Silver Team’s performance shows just how precisely refined the basic Witness design can be made to be. And note that these groups were fired with iron sights. Give my tired old eyes the benefit of an optical sight on the match-grade Silver Team barrel and I judge they’d shrink by at least another half-inch.

EAA’s Witness pistols shoot well, and I’ve never had one quit. I’ve also seen and fired several highly customized Witness competition guns used at PASA Park in the USPSA National Championships by some of the world’s top shooters over the past dozen years, and I know for a fact that the basic Witness/CZ design is capable of 1.5-inch accuracy at 50 yards when properly tuned. As I’ve said regarding the Witness line before, it’s really just a matter of how accurate you want the gun to be and how much you’re willing to put into getting it there. The basics are built in.http://hunting.about.com/od/guns/l/aasteaapistolsa.htm My shooting test of the EAA P-Series Witness .45 ACP semiauto was pleasant. As mentioned earlier, the grip contour was such that the pistol was quite comfortable to shoot even with some of the stout +P 230-grain .45 ACP ammo from Federal and Cor-Bon. My accuracy tests were fired from a sandbag at 25 yards and were indicative of service-pistol accuracy in that they gave 2 1/2- to 3 3/4-inch groups at that range. More importantly, this Witness .45 didn’t fail to feed, fire, or engage into battery. Clearly the polymer-frame Witness is a reasonably priced handgun that is worthy of consideration and inclusion into a shooter’s personal-defense plan.
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This P-Series Witness .45 ACP pistol is well worthy of consideration by those who are seriously searching for a dependable defensive handgun. It shares some of the good features of the 1911 pistol. But the Witness also offers other features, particularly the choice between single-action and double-action operation, that are a distinct departure from the earlier generation of defense guns. It is a combination of polymer frame and European design that may just fill that vacant spot in your handgun cabinet and your defensive shooting program.http://www.galleryofguns.com/shootingtimes/Articles/DisplayArticles.asp?ID=22I recently purchased one and love it. Have put about 300 rounds through it without a single problem. There are sites online that provide instruction on how to lighten the trigger safely. I did this and it now has a 3lb SA pull.

From 50 feet (17 yds) seated, shooting five shots slow-fire, with reloads I got the following size group:

1 3/16 inches

No complaints here. Well, it could be a little lighter, but then full power loads in it would be a pain, which they are not now.http://www.pistolsmith.com/viewtopic.php?t=13745

I've never shot mine (compact steel with "Wonderfinish" in 10mm Auto) at anything more than cans, as I'm still working on the right load(s) for it, but it feels like it aims more naturally and is more accurate than my Glocks. I have no proof or evidence, though; that's just my opinion.
I also polished up some of the internals (home trigger job (http://savvysurvivor.com/tanfoglio_witness_gunsmithing.htm)), and the trigger has smoothed out soooo much. I'm not a fan of shooting in double action (pistol or revolver), but I appreciate the fact that you can fire without first cocking the hammer.

Casper

08-23-2007, 02:09 PM

http://hunting.about.com/od/guns/l/aasteaapistolsa.htmhttp://www.galleryofguns.com/shootingtimes/Articles/DisplayArticles.asp?ID=22http://www.pistolsmith.com/viewtopic.php?t=13745

I've never shot mine (compact steel with "Wonderfinish" in 10mm Auto) at anything more than cans, as I'm still working on the right load(s) for it, but it feels like it aims more naturally and is more accurate than my Glocks. I have no proof or evidence, though; that's just my opinion.
I also polished up some of the internals (home trigger job (http://savvysurvivor.com/tanfoglio_witness_gunsmithing.htm)), and the trigger has smoothed out soooo much. I'm not a fan of shooting in double action (pistol or revolver), but I appreciate the fact that you can fire without first cocking the hammer.

Did you get that extractor tuned? That was the worst part.

That_Is_My_El_Camino

08-23-2007, 02:24 PM

Did you get that extractor tuned? That was the worst part.Yeah. It's down to about 15 feet now, and I can live with that.

Pokulski-Blatz

08-24-2007, 04:25 AM

since you weren't a fan of the kimber pro carry II, i'd get a glock 19 ~450 ish and spend the rest of the money on a case of ammo and an advanced pistol or pistol/rifle class.

I shoot well now ... I am by no means perfect but I put 95% of my rounds int the X ring on standard CHL green targets.

I found a guy that is thinking of selling a 4 inch kimber pro carry pre series II in .45 acp stainless ...... if i can get it for 600 ISH i am defently buying it and having a holster made

11B2V_Mike

08-30-2007, 06:49 AM

I shoot well now ... I am by no means perfect but I put 95% of my rounds int the X ring on standard CHL green targets.

I found a guy that is thinking of selling a 4 inch kimber pro carry pre series II in .45 acp stainless ...... if i can get it for 600 ISH i am defently buying it and having a holster made

no disrespect intended... but is the consistent x ring group achieved while you are rapid firing like you would when your life depended on it or fired at a moderate pace in line with indoor range rules? train like you fight.

distances practiced? I've read 90% + of self defense shootings occur with 9 feet. roughly:

0 - 3 ft ---- 30%
3 - 6 ft ------40%
6 - 9 ft -------20%

Can't remember if the hit/miss ratio was for police or all people included was somewhere around 80% miss rate !!

Practice safe and often :)

Denny

08-30-2007, 06:58 AM

11B2V_Mike

08-30-2007, 09:30 AM

hands down my second and only choice for CC would be a glock19/17. mag capacity, fast time back on target~ negligible recoil in the 9mm platform, lightweight, and legendary reliability in any environment imaginable.

Pokulski-Blatz

08-30-2007, 10:42 AM

no disrespect intended... but is the consistent x ring group achieved while you are rapid firing like you would when your life depended on it or fired at a moderate pace in line with indoor range rules? train like you fight.

distances practiced? I've read 90% + of self defense shootings occur with 9 feet. roughly:

0 - 3 ft ---- 30%
3 - 6 ft ------40%
6 - 9 ft -------20%

Can't remember if the hit/miss ratio was for police or all people included was somewhere around 80% miss rate !!

Practice safe and often :)

they are pretty leanant at the range i go to, so i do preactice rapid fire ... those shots stay in the 9 ring ... with most of them in the unmarked "10" ring just outside the "x" ring

Pokulski-Blatz

08-30-2007, 10:44 AM

Ya, if something like the Kimber wasn't your cup 'o tea, I'd definately NOT get a 1911. Just try a few @ the range. You'll probably end up with a Glock and money in your pocket. Nothing wrong with that. I, myself, have been a Glock person for a while, but after firing the Kimber, I'd love to have one. Good thing I'm still going through a wheel gun phase. You can pick up some pretty nice guns, cheap.

I had a problem kimber i think ... i shot a 5 inch springfeild loaded and loved it. But my kimber was nowhere near as accurate. I also had the chance to shoot a 4 inch series 1 kimber and i loved it as well. Finely decided on another 4 inch kimber but a series 1 this time

Pokulski-Blatz

08-30-2007, 10:44 AM

11B2V_Mike

08-30-2007, 10:55 AM

they are pretty leanant at the range i go to, so i do preactice rapid fire ... those shots stay in the 9 ring ... with most of them in the unmarked "10" ring just outside the "x" ring

good to hear, accuracy wise... being consistent in rapidly grouping minute of a bad guy is all that matters. :D

David

08-30-2007, 11:18 AM

My $800 is going to some 40mm rounds.

Casper

08-30-2007, 11:36 AM

My $800 is going to some 40mm rounds.

Rapid fire?

:D

11B2V_Mike

08-30-2007, 11:39 AM

H.E. ? or the T.P.T. rounds (blue tip, orange marker)?

do DD's have to be expended that day or can you save them for a rainy day?

sounds like fun

David

08-30-2007, 11:45 AM

Rapid fire?

:D
As fast as I can break the breach open and insert another round.

H.E. ? or the T.P.T. rounds (blue tip, orange marker)?

do DD's have to be expended that day or can you save them for a rainy day?

sounds like fun
Right now I have 50 practice chalk rounds and a bunch of flares. Gonna buy me some flechette and buckshot rounds soon. Maybe a hornets nest.

But DD rounds such as HE can be held as long as one wants, but when you use it you have to provide proof of destruction to the ATF.

I'm just not sure if I want to spend the $500 per round, but looking into making my own loads.

Denny

08-31-2007, 07:08 AM

As fast as I can break the breach open and insert another round.

LMMFAO!!!!

reo

08-31-2007, 07:30 AM

As fast as I can break the breach open and insert another round.

Right now I have 50 practice chalk rounds and a bunch of flares. Gonna buy me some flechette and buckshot rounds soon. Maybe a hornets nest.

But DD rounds such as HE can be held as long as one wants, but when you use it you have to provide proof of destruction to the ATF.

I'm just not sure if I want to spend the $500 per round, but looking into making my own loads.

How do you get this stuff!?!?!

-Eric

David

08-31-2007, 08:10 AM

How do you get this stuff!?!?!

-Eric
Buy it. Pay a $200 Federal tax, get fingerprinted, photo ID, and then have a sherriff, chief, DA, or Judge sign me off. Then wait for the transfer.

Or one can create a trust or use their corporation and skip the above and just fill out the paperwork plus the $200 tax.

RoadW3@aol.com

08-31-2007, 10:31 AM

Check out the Springfield line of 1911's. You can get a very nice one in the 600 to 800 range and they come with a full lifetime warranty.

I would not consider Kimber, quality control has dumped the last few years. Check out personal reviews and you will see.

Eric

sanddragger28

08-31-2007, 11:15 AM

Glock 30 45 acp not to big has plenty of punch. Also it will use extended mags from the 21.

That_Is_My_El_Camino

08-31-2007, 12:57 PM

Glock 30 45 acp not to big has plenty of punch. Also it will use extended mags from the 21.Or check out a Glock 29; same size as the 30, uses mags from the 20, and packs just as much punch, if not more.

Pokulski-Blatz

08-31-2007, 02:42 PM