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Trip McNeely
08-10-2007, 08:18 PM
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20070809/ts_nm/russia_military_flights_dc



By Dmitry Solovyov Thu Aug 9, 11:45 AM ET

MOSCOW (Reuters) - Russia's strategic bombers have resumed Cold War-style long-haul missions to areas patrolled by NATO and the United States, top generals said on Thursday.
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A Russian bomber flew over a U.S. naval base on the Pacific island of Guam on Wednesday and "exchanged smiles" with U.S. pilots who had scrambled to track it, said Major-General Pavel Androsov, head of long-range aviation in the Russian air force.

"It has always been the tradition of our long-range aviation to fly far into the ocean, to meet (U.S.) aircraft carriers and greet (U.S. pilots) visually," Androsov told a news conference.

"Yesterday we revived this tradition, and two of our young crews paid a visit to the area of the (U.S. Pacific Naval Activities) base of Guam," he said.

President Vladimir Putin has sought to make Russia more assertive in the world. Putin has boosted defense spending and sought to raise morale in the armed forces, which were starved of funding following the fall of the Soviet Union.

Androsov said the sortie by the two turboprop Tu-95MS bombers, from a base near Blagoveshchensk in the Far East, had lasted for 13 hours. The Tu-95, codenamed "Bear" by NATO, is Russia's Cold War icon and may stay in service until 2040.

"I think the result was good. We met our colleagues -- fighter jet pilots from (U.S.) aircraft carriers. We exchanged smiles and returned home," Androsov said.

Ivan Safranchuk, Moscow office director of the Washington-based World Security Institute, said he saw nothing extraordinary in Moscow sending its bombers around the globe.

"This practice as such never stopped, it was only scaled down because there was less cash available for that," he said.

"It doesn't cost much to flex your muscles ... You can burn fuel flying over your own land or you can do it flying somewhere like Guam, in which case political dividends will be higher."

COLD WAR CAT-AND-MOUSE

The bombers give Russia the capability of launching a devastating nuclear strike even if the nuclear arsenals on its own territory are wiped out.

During the Cold War, they played elaborate airborne games of cat-and-mouse with Western air forces.

Lieutenant-General Igor Khvorov, air forces chief of staff, said the West would have to come to terms with Russia asserting its geopolitical presence. "But I don't see anything unusual, this is business as usual," he said.

The generals said under Putin long-range aviation was no longer in need of fuel, enjoyed better maintenance and much higher wages, a far cry from the 1990s when many pilots were practically grounded because there was no money to buy fuel.

The generals quipped that part of the funding boost was thanks to a five-hour sortie Putin once flew as part of a crew on a supersonic Tupolev Tu-160 strategic bomber, known as the "White Swan" in Russia and codenamed "Blackjack" by NATO.

The current state of Russia's economy, which is booming for the eighth year in a row, has allowed Russia to finance such flights, said Safranchuk from the World Security Institute.

"Maintenance and training are not the most expensive budget items of modern armies. Purchases of new weapons really are."

propellerhead
08-10-2007, 08:40 PM
The world was more peaceful during the Cold War. We kept our allies in check. The Soviet Union kept their allies in check. Other than the Cuban Missile Crisis, nobody messed with anyone.

Trip McNeely
08-10-2007, 08:42 PM
We're too nice to keep anyone in check anymore. God forbid we have to save the country one day from invasion, the Democrats will propose hugs and peace talks. :rolleyes: At this point we are our own worst enemy.

Zarathustra
08-10-2007, 08:51 PM
The world was more peaceful during the Cold War. We kept our allies in check. The Soviet Union kept their allies in check. Other than the Cuban Missile Crisis, nobody messed with anyone.


Are you kidding?

That_Is_My_El_Camino
08-10-2007, 08:51 PM
Russia just needs to STFU and keep selling us Wolf Ammunition.

Trip McNeely
08-10-2007, 08:52 PM
Russia just needs to STFU and keep selling us Wolf Ammunition.
lol

RyanB
08-10-2007, 08:53 PM
The Russians need to take us in one piece, and that's why they're here. That's why they won't use nukes anymore; and we won't either, not on our own soil. The whole damn thing's pretty conventional now. Who knows? Maybe next week will be swords.

That_Is_My_El_Camino
08-10-2007, 08:54 PM
Wolverines!

Strychnine
08-10-2007, 10:04 PM
Wolverines!


http://meekmok.com/muaddib/images/blog/wolverines.jpg

mikeb
08-10-2007, 10:18 PM
Putin longs for the cold war days and is taking actions to make them happen again. Idiot.

Sean88gt
08-11-2007, 12:27 AM
Commie prosperity.
Fuck the russians.

Denny
08-11-2007, 12:33 AM
Russia just needs to STFU and keep selling us Wolf Ammunition.
dirtiest shit I've ever fired...

BP
08-11-2007, 12:06 PM
I like our chances.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/ac/Tupolev_Tu_95_USAF.jpg/800px-Tupolev_Tu_95_USAF.jpg

ALLAN
08-11-2007, 02:04 PM
The Russians need to take us in one piece, and that's why they're here. That's why they won't use nukes anymore; and we won't either, not on our own soil. The whole damn thing's pretty conventional now. Who knows? Maybe next week will be swords.
The chair is against the wall.
John has a long mustache.

White trash wagon
08-11-2007, 09:26 PM
The world was more peaceful during the Cold War. We kept our allies in check. The Soviet Union kept their allies in check. Other than the Cuban Missile Crisis, nobody messed with anyone.


Yep, I reached that conclusion about 10 years ago. The world was MUCH more peaceful during the cold war. Think about it, with 2 fairly equal super powers in quiet conflict, the world was "balanced". Now with one superpower, no balance...... and the rest of the world is pissed off or scared.

Scott

jw33
08-11-2007, 11:48 PM
The chair is against the wall.
John has a long mustache.


So who's on our side?

ALLAN
08-12-2007, 02:53 PM
So who's on our side?
Six hundred million screaming Chinamen

46Tbird
08-12-2007, 03:42 PM
Oh yeah, I'm threatened by turboprop technology.

I heard they're going to provide fighter escort with a bunch of MiG-15s too...

Casper
08-12-2007, 03:46 PM
You have to admit, they took a lesson from Reagan on this. We are in an economic crucnh with military costs, all they have to do is fuel up a few planes each week and it costs us tenfold.

The average Russian really likes and respects the image of America, they just want to be taken seriously. Putin has his hands full with pro-market dissent right now. I can see a rosy future where we Govaryu Po-Russki instead of Habla Espanol. Call it a fantasy, I can deal with them much easier. It is time America became bilingual, and now is the time to take bids on what that second language will be.

jw33
08-12-2007, 07:26 PM
Six hundred million screaming Chinamen

I thought they had a billion?

ALLAN
08-12-2007, 08:13 PM
There were. :o