Affirimitive action for white people coming?

[mikeb]

Apparently minorities now form majority in one-third of most-populous counties.

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/08/09/us/09census.html?ei=5090&en=acb30f0eee9fdb05&ex=1344312000&partner=rssuserland&emc=rss&pagewanted=print

[mopar63]

Rigghht. We could be so lucky.

[Slowhand]

they never got repirations. they'll always be minorities!

[Mustangman_2000]

that would be cool.

i would love for the government to grant me an automatic sense of entitlement just because of my skin color.

getting jobs that i'm not necessarily qualified for sounds appealing to me.

[Pro88LX]

that would be cool.

i would love for the government to grant me an automatic sense of entitlement just because of my skin color.

getting jobs that i'm not necessarily qualified for sounds appealing to me.


+1

[Denny]

I would take it and shove it straight up their ass. I don't need a crutch. That's for pathetic people.

[Fox466]

Where's my cheese nucca?


On the other hand, minority status as a business owner wouldn't be all bad, would it? Are there tax breaks in there?

I'm with Denny on the programs, but if I can save a dollar... :cool:

[jones4stangs]

Apparently minorities now form majority in one-third of most-populous counties.

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/08/09/us/09census.html?ei=5090&en=acb30f0eee9fdb05&ex=1344312000&partner=rssuserland&emc=rss&pagewanted=print

"The shift reflects the growing dispersal of immigrants and the suburbanization of blacks and Hispanics pursuing jobs generated by whites moving to the fringes of metropolitan areas."

So what. Why is this significant? The overall population percentages have not changed, people have just moved around.


Speaking of Affirmative action........
It seems to me that most of the white men is Texas are anti-aa. For those of you who hold this opinion; do you just feel it is inappropriate today or do you feel it was always inappropriate?

[Denny]

"The shift reflects the growing dispersal of immigrants and the suburbanization of blacks and Hispanics pursuing jobs generated by whites moving to the fringes of metropolitan areas."

So what. Why is this significant? The overall population percentages have not changed, people have just moved around.


Speaking of Affirmative action........
It seems to me that most of the white men is Texas are anti-aa. For those of you who hold this opinion; do you just feel it is inappropriate today or do you feel it was always inappropriate?
It was a good idea at first. It really was needed. Nowadays, it's definately not needed and abused. Anyone still relying on AA is just a sad case.

[jones4stangs]

It was a good idea at first. It really was needed. Nowadays, it's definately not needed and abused. Anyone still relying on AA is just a sad case.

Under what circumstance was is needed? In what ways have these circumstances changed?

[Denny]

Under what circumstance was is needed? In what ways have these circumstances changed?
To state the obvious, when affirmative action was enacted, the country was very biased on wh ogets hired by the color of their skin, their religion, sex, etc. After about 20 or so years, a good balance would be in place in the workforce (which it was for the most part), but yet, it still is used to this day. You tell me where there is a need for two people with identical qualifications need thier skin as the tie-breaker (or even the non-minority with slightly higher qualifications be denied), why is it that a minority owned company can be 10-20% higher on a bid and still win a contract, why are loan and grant limitations different for people of different races... I can go on all day (literally). Things like affirmative action is what keeps racism alive and well today in our country.

[fitzwell]

Apparently minorities now form majority in one-third of most-populous counties.

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/08/09/us/09census.html?ei=5090&en=acb30f0eee9fdb05&ex=1344312000&partner=rssuserland&emc=rss&pagewanted=print


Waiting for Jesse Jackson & Al SHarpton to comment :rolleyes:

[mikeb]

Waiting for Jesse Jackson & Al SHarpton to comment :rolleyes:

I think it is going to be quite interesting when certain minority groups become the majority and find themselves on the other side of the issue. What will also be interesting is whether a "white minority" will be allowed by society to qualify for the AA rules that are on the books. Personally as a business owner i'd love to be able to bid on some of the work that we are now excluded from bidding on because of the "must give the work to minority owned companies" rules.

[jones4stangs]

You tell me where there is a need for two people with identical qualifications need thier skin as the tie-breaker.
In theory, I don't think skin color should affect the decision. Nevertheless, when there is 1 opportunity and 2 equal candidates on paper, I do tend to think skin color becomes a factor. Not for the sake of the color, but for what cultural stereotypes are assumed by their skin color. The decision turns to stuff like: who would I relate to more, who would fit in better, and who am I more comfortable around. In my opinion, in these areas people pick the person most like themselves. I think it's a justifiable decision. As such, there is an inherent disadvantage to people who are considered minorities by virtue of their skin color in these situations. So to answer your question, I do not think skin should be a tie-breaker, however I do think it often is and it favors the majority.

why is it that a minority owned company can be 10-20% higher on a bid and still win a contract, why are loan and grant limitations different for people of different races...
That definitely sounds unfair. My guess would be it's a political decision. As such, the owner making the decision feels it will work to his advantage. But it lead right back to if these programs are still needed or not.

My take on affirmative action programs is that they should be seen as a temporary solution. I don't feel that these programs have accomplished their goals yet. I feel people who justifiably oppose them need to be more patient for another generation. The problem I currently have with some of these programs is that the middle class seems to be taking more advantage of them than the lower class.

[fitzwell]

Personally as a business owner i'd love to be able to bid on some of the work that we are now excluded from bidding on because of the "must give the work to minority owned companies" rules.


yep.....can't wait to see that :D

[line-em-up]

I think it is going to be quite interesting when certain minority groups become the majority and find themselves on the other side of the issue. What will also be interesting is whether a "white minority" will be allowed by society to qualify for the AA rules that are on the books. Personally as a business owner i'd love to be able to bid on some of the work that we are now excluded from bidding on because of the "must give the work to minority owned companies" rules.

We won't have to worry about getting the same breaks because as soon as the minorities take control, they will change all of the rules to suit them and we'll be SOL.

[jones4stangs]

We won't have to worry about getting the same breaks because as soon as the minorities take control, they will change all of the rules to suit them and we'll be SOL.
Oh please. White folk in the USA aren't endanger of losing anything. Even as the populations percentage shift things won't be changing culturally in any significant way that you should fear. The Constitution is solid.

[Denny]

Oh please. White folk in the USA aren't endanger of losing anything. Even as the populations percentage shift things won't be changing culturally in any significant way that you should fear. The Constitution is solid.
If anyone hasn't catched on yet... 'ol jonesy is one of dem minority folk. The world owes him a livin'.

[Vertnut]

... why is it that a minority owned company can be 10-20% higher on a bid and still win a contract, why are loan and grant limitations different for people of different races... I can go on all day (literally). Things like affirmative action is what keeps racism alive and well today in our country.


Years ago, I went to a "procurement meeting" with the officials of the "Collider", that was to be built in Ellis County. Because it was a federal project, 40% OF ALL MONEY SPENT FOR THE PROJECT, had to be spent with minority-owned businesses. Period. Costs' had no bearing, as that percentage had to be kept.

[Somewhere in Time]

I would take it and shove it straight up their ass. I don't need a crutch. That's for pathetic people.

I agree man. That's for retards and old people.

[line-em-up]

Oh please. White folk in the USA aren't endanger of losing anything. Even as the populations percentage shift things won't be changing culturally in any significant way that you should fear. The Constitution is solid.

Are you kidding me? We've got everything to lose. Are you saying that the mexican representatives won't vote in favor of their "constituents" once they get enough voting power? They already cry, bitch and moan about everything they perceive as racism and expect the laws to be changed to protect them. Only God knows what they will do when they have any real power.

[Casper]

I think it was always a bad idea. If you want to encourage economic opportunity then use economic status as a guideline. Period.

[White trash wagon]

Are you kidding me? We've got everything to lose. Are you saying that the mexican representatives won't vote in favor of their "constituents" once they get enough voting power? They already cry, bitch and moan about everything they perceive as racism and expect the laws to be changed to protect them. Only God knows what they will do when they have any real power.


Correct, 50 years from now when the Mexican's are running this country, it will become as fucked up as Mexico, then they will want to immigrate to Canada. But hopefully the Canadians will shut the door, right after most whites have already moved to Canada.

This is not racism, but fact..... the reason Mexico is so fucked up is because it's run by Mexicans.

Scott

[line-em-up]

This is a little off topic, but I was thinking the other day when they were talking on the news about how some of the diseases that the US hasn't seen in 50 years thta will be coming back, thanks to all of the kids that aren't immunized. Mexico has several of those diseases down there. What happens when someone brings it here and then you or your kids end up with it? When someone tries to tell you that you shouldn't be worried about all of the immigration and that it won't affect you, maybe you should think about it.

[RyanB]

Oh please. White folk in the USA aren't endanger of losing anything. Even as the populations percentage shift things won't be changing culturally in any significant way that you should fear. The Constitution is solid.

What do white people endanger again?

[slow99]

What do white people endanger again?

No no, they aren't endanger.

[RyanB]

No no, they aren't endanger.

Oh, sounds safe...

[turbodave]

[QUOTE=
This is not racism, but fact..... the reason Mexico is so fucked up is because it's run by Mexicans.[/QUOTE]

The same can be said for every country from South of the US border to the tip of South America ,with possible exception of Brazil and Argentina. The rest are all Hispanic run 3rd world shitholes. Only Africa has countries that are more evolution challenged than the countries of Central and South America

[rray]

they never got repirations. they'll always be minorities!


You give black folks repirations and the only thing that will happen is Cadillac will become number one car dealer. :D

[jones4stangs]

What do white people endanger again?

:D

[jones4stangs]

If anyone hasn't catched on yet... 'ol jonesy is one of dem minority folk. The world owes him a livin'.
So is yo mama.

[FreightTrain]

<----- standing in line impatiently waiting for my mule and 40 acres.

[DOHCTR]

/Mr. Burns

"For once the rich WHITE man is in charge"

/Mr. Burns

[Yale]

Bring it on! I need some free college, regardless of my shitty grades.

[Paladin]

i would love for the government to grant me an automatic sense of entitlement just because of my skin color.

getting jobs that i'm not necessarily qualified for sounds appealing to me.


Anyone else see some irony with this coming from a straight ticket democratic voter?

It's only a joke MM.

[jones4stangs]

I think it was always a bad idea. If you want to encourage economic opportunity then use economic status as a guideline. Period.
Why is that?

[Paladin]

Why is that?

I know I am answering for someone else, so excuse me. The reason race should not be considered anymore IMO is because it allows people of color to underachieve. You can score lower on entrance exams for college and still get in and get more money for scholarships, therefore there is less incentive to try harder. You can bid less competitively for government contracts if you are a minority business owner becuase there will be a certain percemntage of the contracts set aside specifically for you.

BTW, I have no clue how old you are, but if you are a minority, what gives you the right to affirmative action? I know its not quite the same, but my grandfathers were discriminated against in the early 1900's after they immigrated to the USA fro Ireland, does that give me the right to ask for special consideration, even though I have never personally suffered any direct discrimination? I just wonder when it will end, because I have never discriminated against anyone based upon race and my parents never said a racist thing that I ever heard.

[Casper]

This is a little off topic, but I was thinking the other day when they were talking on the news about how some of the diseases that the US hasn't seen in 50 years thta will be coming back, thanks to all of the kids that aren't immunized. Mexico has several of those diseases down there. What happens when someone brings it here and then you or your kids end up with it? When someone tries to tell you that you shouldn't be worried about all of the immigration and that it won't affect you, maybe you should think about it.

We start immunizing again?

Except for the tree huggers, they won't have any of that, and I fully support them in their defiance. Most of them are too young to know anyone crippled by polio, so its a case study in getting what you ask for :D

[Casper]

Why is that?

Because it is sold to the voter as an economic reform, yet economics have no standing in the criteria. That has always been a problem in the uneducated poor south. Why should a wealthy negro have economic bootstrap benefits not available to a poor white jew?

[Casper]

I know I am answering for someone else, so excuse me. The reason race should not be considered anymore IMO is because it allows people of color to underachieve. You can score lower on entrance exams for college and still get in and get more money for scholarships, therefore there is less incentive to try harder. You can bid less competitively for government contracts if you are a minority business owner becuase there will be a certain percemntage of the contracts set aside specifically for you.

BTW, I have no clue how old you are, but if you are a minority, what gives you the right to affirmative action? I know its not quite the same, but my grandfathers were discriminated against in the early 1900's after they immigrated to the USA fro Ireland, does that give me the right to ask for special consideration, even though I have never personally suffered any direct discrimination? I just wonder when it will end, because I have never discriminated against anyone based upon race and my parents never said a racist thing that I ever heard.

Pretty much, except I would replace "anymore" with "ever". In fact, it is a slap in the face for those minorities who succeeded in spite of discrimination (Irish? Cherokee? Polish? Chinese?).

[Paladin]

Pretty much, except I would replace "anymore" with "ever". In fact, it is a slap in the face for those minorities who succeeded in spite of discrimination (Irish? Cherokee? Polish? Chinese?).

Do you think that there is a correlation between the Democrats pushing affirmative action and the link between most people who benefit from it voting Democratic?

[Mr Majestyk]

Correct, 50 years from now when the Mexican's are running this country, it will become as fucked up as Mexico, then they will want to immigrate to Canada. But hopefully the Canadians will shut the door, right after most whites have already moved to Canada.

This is not racism, but fact..... the reason Mexico is so fucked up is because it's run by Mexicans.

Scott

Canada's not strong 'nuff to shut the door on anyone.

[Mr Majestyk]

Pretty much, except I would replace "anymore" with "ever". In fact, it is a slap in the face for those minorities who succeeded in spite of discrimination (Irish? Cherokee? Polish? Chinese?).

Jusy maybe, those minorities had a little more basic intelligence (and class) than today's illegal immigrants.

[jones4stangs]

Because it is sold to the voter as an economic reform, yet economics have no standing in the criteria. That has always been a problem in the uneducated poor south. Why should a wealthy negro have economic bootstrap benefits not available to a poor white jew?

"If you want to encourage economic opportunity then use economic status as a guideline. Period."

Sorry, I misread your original post. I tend to agree with you. I don't think wealthy negro's or their children should benefit from programs designed to help the economic poor. Similarly, any program which focuses on helping the poor should not exclude any ethnic group that wishes to take advantage of the opportunity.

[bcoop]

On the other hand, minority status as a business owner wouldn't be all bad, would it? Are there tax breaks in there?





I don't know if there are tax breaks. It wouldn't surprise me.


However, in the business I'm in, minority owned business' have the ability to clean house. The State has to award a certain percentage of bids to 'Minority Owned' companies. It is highly encouraged, throughout all the school districts, to go with a minority owned company. There is a particular customer of ours, who has a business in her name. Being a woman, she falls under the minority. Therefore, she takes full advantage. She doesn't even have to have the lowest price to be awarded a bid. She can be 12% high, and still get it due to her status. Not a bad deal if you are the owner.

[AL P]

I don't know if there are tax breaks. It wouldn't surprise me.


However, in the business I'm in, minority owned business' have the ability to clean house. The State has to award a certain percentage of bids to 'Minority Owned' companies. It is highly encouraged, throughout all the school districts, to go with a minority owned company. There is a particular customer of ours, who has a business in her name. Being a woman, she falls under the minority. Therefore, she takes full advantage. She doesn't even have to have the lowest price to be awarded a bid. She can be 12% high, and still get it due to her status. Not a bad deal if you are the owner.

What a great deal for the government! I can't figure out why taxes are so high.

[White trash wagon]

Canada's not strong 'nuff to shut the door on anyone.

Canada already has much better border security than the USA, although that's not saying much. :rolleyes:

Scott

[Casper]

Do you think that there is a correlation between the Democrats pushing affirmative action and the link between most people who benefit from it voting Democratic?

Entitlements are funny though; the new deal democrats created a huge middle class in this country who all ended up voting democratic.

But yes, it is a vote buy, like most all progressive entitlement programs.

[Casper]

Jusy maybe, those minorities had a little more basic intelligence (and class) than today's illegal immigrants.

I wouldn't go that far.

[jones4stangs]

The reason race should not be considered anymore IMO is because it allows people of color to underachieve. You can score lower on entrance exams for college and still get in and get more money for scholarships, therefore there is less incentive to try harder. You can bid less competitively for government contracts if you are a minority business owner becuase there will be a certain percemntage of the contracts set aside specifically for you.

I disagree with the whole line of thinking that says affirmative action elevates unqualified students. How can you stay that a student who meets the desire application level of the college is an underachiever? What you are considering a lower score, is still an acceptable admission score to the college. If the college is looking for a student who scores above 1300 on their SAT they are not taking an underachiever by selecting a black student who scored 1400 over a white student who scored 1500. Both students meet the desired SAT qualification of the college. As far as scholarship money, distribution of that money is bases on the biases of the organizations putting up the money. Nevertheless, the same idea applies that the students who meet the scholarship qualifications are not underachievers.

I don't know much about the business aspect of affirmative action programs to address them. In general, I'm cool with setting aside percentages of government construction for small businesses. I do not put academic opportunities and business opportunities in the same boat.

The heart of the matter remains: Are the reasons for affirmative action programs legitimate? Have these programs achieved the goals of their creation?

I think the reasons for the programs are fair to the American public. I do not think they have achieved their goals yet.

[jones4stangs]

BTW, I have no clue how old you are, but if you are a minority, what gives you the right to affirmative action? I know its not quite the same, but my grandfathers were discriminated against in the early 1900's after they immigrated to the USA fro Ireland, does that give me the right to ask for special consideration, even though I have never personally suffered any direct discrimination? I just wonder when it will end, because I have never discriminated against anyone based upon race and my parents never said a racist thing that I ever heard.
I am black/negro/African American, take your pick. I am a descendent of slavery in America. I'm 32 years old and the second generation of my family to go to college. I do not feel me nor my children have the right to further qualify for any race based affirmative action programs.

I do not think there is an equal comparison between immigrates and descendants of slavery in American as it relates to what this country "owes" them.

As far as this whole "right to" and "owes" situation. I do not think there are some inalienable rights that apply to African Americans. The people of America have always sought to better this nation. Affirmative action programs were born out of that bettering process. They are not rights, they are privileges granted by the American public. When the public no longer supports them, they should be ended.

[jones4stangs]

Do you think that there is a correlation between the Democrats pushing affirmative action and the link between most people who benefit from it voting Democratic?
That sounds like reasonable American politics to me. However, I hope it's not just for votes. There better be some well meaning people involved.

[jones4stangs]

I don't know if there are tax breaks. It wouldn't surprise me.


However, in the business I'm in, minority owned business' have the ability to clean house. The State has to award a certain percentage of bids to 'Minority Owned' companies. It is highly encouraged, throughout all the school districts, to go with a minority owned company. There is a particular customer of ours, who has a business in her name. Being a woman, she falls under the minority. Therefore, she takes full advantage. She doesn't even have to have the lowest price to be awarded a bid. She can be 12% high, and still get it due to her status. Not a bad deal if you are the owner.
I can see the unfairness in this situation. However, isn't the purpose of these programs to deliberately tilt the scale to promote minority business? It's not like your industry is dominated by minority owned businesses. As far as her price, is she the only minority businesses in the bid? When she is not, does her ability to get a bid overpriced diminish?

Why does this program she is taking advantage of exist? I think the "why" is what is important. The "how" should work itself out in the current system.

[bcoop]

I can see the unfairness in this situation. However, isn't the purpose of these programs to deliberately tilt the scale to promote minority business?

That's the purpose, but as we all know programs get abused....


It's not like your industry is dominated by minority owned businesses.

Nope. VERY few minority owned companies in this business.


As far as her price, is she the only minority businesses in the bid?

The mojority of the time, yes. Off the top of my head, I can think of 3 minority owned companies in this industry, in our territory (all of TX and OK). One of which doesn't even do any bid work. More of a showroom floor type place. So that knocks it down to two.

When she is not, does her ability to get a bid overpriced diminish?

If the other minority business owner bids lower than the main one, yes. However, I have yet to see them go head to head on any one bid. She won't get the bid. But if she goes up against 5 competitors, that are all men owned, she will typically get the bid.

[Mr Majestyk]

I wouldn't go that far.

They all (except the Cherokee) managed to become actual citizens, which shows some level of intelligence, not to mention a considerable amount of diligence. The Cherokee obviously didn't need to become citizens, they were here first, but look at the intelligence shown however by Native Americans who have set up $$$$$ generating casinos across the country....income they can justly take back from the greedy white man who only thought they had vanquished them by sticking them on reservations.

I don't see the majority of illegal immigrants today acheiving any of the accomplishments of the above through their own efforts,

[bcoop]

They all (except the Cherokee) managed to become actual citizens, which shows some level of intelligence, and diligence. The Cherokee obviously didn't need to become citizens, they were here first. Look at the intelligence shown however by Native Americans who have set up income generating casinos across the country....income justly taken back from the greedy white man who stuck them on reservations.

I don't see the majority of illegal immigrants today acheiving any of the accomplishemnts of the above through their own efforts,



That's just horseshit. Look at LULAC.






:rolleyes: :p

[Mr Majestyk]

I think I'd rather look at the NAACP

[Casper]

They all (except the Cherokee) managed to become actual citizens, which shows some level of intelligence, not to mention a considerable amount of diligence. The Cherokee obviously didn't need to become citizens, they were here first, but look at the intelligence shown however by Native Americans who have set up $$$$$ generating casinos across the country....income they can justly take back from the greedy white man who only thought they had vanquished them by sticking them on reservations.

I don't see the majority of illegal immigrants today acheiving any of the accomplishments of the above through their own efforts,

Consider african slaves. Intelligence aside, their social structures and education were very low. They had their entire social structures, languages and religions removed and replaced arbitrarily. I think this was a testimony to how resilient humans are, and also a testimony of how not having an original culture tends to breed a faux culture.

It can be said that desegregation destroyed many of the most succesful black families, especially in the South. Was it needed? Something was. Was it exploited by the powers that be? Like evrything else, yes.

How about another group, the Hmong?

[Mr Majestyk]

The Hmong in the U.S. are here as refugees, having been put in that unfortunate position by having sided with the U.S. in the Vietnam War. In that respect at least they are deserving of our gratitude.

[Ragincajun]

Well Good maybe we can get rid of the NAACP. Or White people can apply for a scholarship through them. Wouldn't that be nice...

[Mr Majestyk]

A scholarship would have to (I think) be applied for through the United Negro College Fund :D

[mikeb]

Well Good maybe we can get rid of the NAACP. Or White people can apply for a scholarship through them. Wouldn't that be nice...

or maybe replace NAACP with NAAWP? :D

[Paladin]

I am black/negro/African American, take your pick. I am a descendent of slavery in America. I'm 32 years old and the second generation of my family to go to college. I do not feel me nor my children have the right to further qualify for any race based affirmative action programs.

I am a second generation American and no one in my family ever owned a slave. I do not want my tax money going to descendants of slaves for reparations. Fine the people who owned slaves and try and get money form them, not me and my family.

I do not think there is an equal comparison between immigrates and descendants of slavery in American as it relates to what this country "owes" them.

I don't think America owes anything, in terms of reparations, to immigrants or descendants of slaves, so there is no difference.

As far as this whole "right to" and "owes" situation. I do not think there are some inalienable rights that apply to African Americans. The people of America have always sought to better this nation. Affirmative action programs were born out of that bettering process. They are not rights, they are privileges granted by the American public. When the public no longer supports them, they should be ended.

I agree AA is no right, and it's time has passed when 18 year olds who have suffered no ills from the past are getting preferential treatment solely based upon ills their ancestors suffered.

[Paladin]

I disagree with the whole line of thinking that says affirmative action elevates unqualified students. How can you stay that a student who meets the desire application level of the college is an underachiever? What you are considering a lower score, is still an acceptable admission score to the college. If the college is looking for a student who scores above 1300 on their SAT they are not taking an underachiever by selecting a black student who scored 1400 over a white student who scored 1500. Both students meet the desired SAT qualification of the college. As far as scholarship money, distribution of that money is bases on the biases of the organizations putting up the money. Nevertheless, the same idea applies that the students who meet the scholarship qualifications are not underachievers.

You think it is fair and correct to take a balck student who made a 1400 SAT over all of the students who made higher scores? I guess that student deserves a break from studying and trying as hard as the students who made a 1500 because their descendanst were slaves? I will never understand that logic.

I don't know much about the business aspect of affirmative action programs to address them. In general, I'm cool with setting aside percentages of government construction for small businesses. I do not put academic opportunities and business opportunities in the same boat.


The heart of the matter remains: Are the reasons for affirmative action programs legitimate?

Answer: Not anymore

Have these programs achieved the goals of their creation?

Answer: Absolutely. Their time has come and gone.

I think the reasons for the programs are fair to the American public. I do not think they have achieved their goals yet.

They are fair to the student who works hard, gets a 1500 and can't get into college because a less qualified student egts the spot? You gotta be kidding me.

Is it possible that the same minority student who scores a 1400 on the SAT didn't have to work as hard because he/she knew they would be given a slot for a lesser score? If that is possible, then allowing lower socres for minorities promotes underachieving and mediocrity IMO.

What if I told you that people from Texas get into medical school with lower scores than students from other states. You then have a medical emergency and have a choice between two doctors in the ER and all you knew was that one went to medical school in texas, and the other in another state. Who would you choose? I know I would choose the doctor from the other state under this scenario.

[Paladin]

That sounds like reasonable American politics to me. However, I hope it's not just for votes. There better be some well meaning people involved.

Yeah, John Edwards, Nancy Pelosi, John Kerry, who are all millionaires, have the best interest of minorities in mind when they support AA. It is just incidental that the people who benefit from it will vote for them. LOL