Thoughts on .357 sig round

[Pokulski-Blatz]

Thinking about buying a H&k P2000sk in .357 sig .... any thoughts?

[That_Is_My_El_Camino]

I've never shot anything in .357 Sig, but I've heard good things about it. A 9mm bullet in a necked-down .40 Smith & Wesson case.

http://www.gunweek.com/2002/feature0210.html

[jwalk]

its snappy, 9mm on crack. High penetration possibility. Nice weapon.

[evil jose]

Heard a lot of good things about the round. I think the Texas DPS uses it and I want to say I've heard of a story where a trooper had to shoot into an 18 wheeler cab and it took out the perp. Lots of penetration power is what I see.

Only bad I see is recoil, expense of round, and ability to buy a box of ammo at the local Wally World.

[93coupelx]

You can try my uspc out if you want. It has some snap. I love it but ammo is expensive so I don't plink with it to much. P2000's are sweet.

http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d67/Benpeek893/IMG_0334.jpg

[Trip McNeely]

Never shot it, but Im content with my .40. Im sure its a pretty good round though. It is Sig developed.

[That_Is_My_El_Camino]

Only bad I see is recoil, expense of round, and ability to buy a box of ammo at the local Wally World.Yeah, it all boils down to what you're doing with it. If you're just looking for something to shoot, you might want to stick with a 9mm or .40 S&W, as ammunition for both is cheaper and easier to come by, and they'll still serve you well for defense.

[Pokulski-Blatz]

You can try my uspc out if you want. It has some snap. I love it but ammo is expensive so I don't plink with it to much. P2000's are sweet.

http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d67/Benpeek893/IMG_0334.jpg


have to get together when i get my kimber pro carry back

[93coupelx]

have to get together when i get my kimber pro carry back

Lemme know. Wally does carry .357 sig.

[Pokulski-Blatz]

Yeah, it all boils down to what you're doing with it. If you're just looking for something to shoot, you might want to stick with a 9mm or .40 S&W, as ammunition for both is cheaper and easier to come by, and they'll still serve you well for defense.



I am just gonna carry it and pout 100 - 200 rounds a month to keep fresh. not something i am gonna be shooting alot. I will shoot the kimber more than the p2000 i think. .45 acp ammo is cheap at wally world last i checked (9 bucks a box)

[Pokulski-Blatz]

Wally does carry .357 sig.
what is it a box?

[Yale]

You should be able to sawp your barrel with a .40 barrel on most H&K pistols. That would make plinking easier. If you don't want to go that route, reload. Other than that, it's a fantastic round, just almost a .357 mag in sheep's clothing.

[ThreeFingerPete]

You should be able to sawp your barrel with a .40 barrel on most H&K pistols. That would make plinking easier. If you don't want to go that route, reload. Other than that, it's a fantastic round, just almost a .357 mag in sheep's clothing.


The ballistics are close with a light bullet, but that is where the similarity stops.

[Pokulski-Blatz]

The ballistics are close with a light bullet, but that is where the similarity stops.


care to elaborate?

[wayne fontenot]

i carried a sig 239 for a little while. i had a 357 sig and a 40 barrel that could interchange. i loved it. the 357 sig is just a neched down 40 cal. round. it is loud as hell, alot louder than the 40 cal. round

[Casper]

care to elaborate?

a 125gr bullet is what the sig round was designed for, but on a 357 mag that is considered a very light bullet. 357 mag is better suited to a 148gr or better a 158gr. The velocity does not drop so much but the extra weight packs way more wallop and gives you more design choices. Depending on your pistol, you can go upwards of 180gr in a 357mag. The sig round is stuck with 125.

The reason it was designed off of the 125gr bullet is because some mall ninja named sanow pulled some figures out of his ass to proclaim something that sounded good in magazines. The most common police loading of the 357 was a 125gr loading, designed to have the recoil characteristics of the 38 special with a 158gr bullet. Kind of like a downloaded 10mm became a 40S&W.

Good points about the 357sig:
-> nice little round in and of itself, kind of an oddball, fills a niche that really never existed but works as well as anything else that goes bang.
-> Shares platforms with the 40S&W, 9mm & 41AE.

Not so good points:
-> not a common round like the big 3 (45, 9 & 40).
-> limited in bullet choices
-> not worth a damn for the reloader, the short shoulder is a PITA and manufacturers even resort to glueing the bullets in. Extremely sensitive to seating depth.
-> Doesn't offer anything ballistically that isn't also out there (38SA, 9x23), and gives up length for width (can be an advantage on mini platforms).
-> Headspaces on the shoulder, so some shoot like a dream and some never will without fireforming. All the bad things about a necked case apply (and the good, but this is a pistol).

[Pokulski-Blatz]

a 125gr bullet is what the sig round was designed for, but on a 357 mag that is considered a very light bullet. 357 mag is better suited to a 148gr or better a 158gr. The velocity does not drop so much but the extra weight packs way more wallop and gives you more design choices. Depending on your pistol, you can go upwards of 180gr in a 357mag. The sig round is stuck with 125.

The reason it was designed off of the 125gr bullet is because some mall ninja named sanow pulled some figures out of his ass to proclaim something that sounded good in magazines. The most common police loading of the 357 was a 125gr loading, designed to have the recoil characteristics of the 38 special with a 158gr bullet. Kind of like a downloaded 10mm became a 40S&W.

Good points about the 357sig:
-> nice little round in and of itself, kind of an oddball, fills a niche that really never existed but works as well as anything else that goes bang.
-> Shares platforms with the 40S&W, 9mm & 41AE.

Not so good points:
-> not a common round like the big 3 (45, 9 & 40).
-> limited in bullet choices
-> not worth a damn for the reloader, the short shoulder is a PITA and manufacturers even resort to glueing the bullets in. Extremely sensitive to seating depth.
-> Doesn't offer anything ballistically that isn't also out there (38SA, 9x23), and gives up length for width (can be an advantage on mini platforms).
-> Headspaces on the shoulder, so some shoot like a dream and some never will without fireforming. All the bad things about a necked case apply (and the good, but this is a pistol).



I dont know if i would be better off just getting the .40 cal or just sticking with my .45 acp for carry duty. I kinda want a 9mm due to uber cheap ammo

[futant]

My thoughts - Had a G33
I only see disadvantages , sorry I got rid of the gun

- muzzle flash rediculous in short barrel
- recoil excessive
- not much better than a P++ 9mm round
- I had numerous set back issues where rack / reracking the rounds cause OAL to diminish - then you have feed problems. They may have finally fixed this issues with ammo. Total BS though.
- expensive , hard to find ammo
- limited ammo choices
- to me slide velocity was really excessive, resulting in hard to follow up shots
- no advantages :D

[Casper]

I dont know if i would be better off just getting the .40 cal or just sticking with my .45 acp for carry duty. I kinda want a 9mm due to uber cheap ammo

Depending on what you get, you could use one platform and shoot all of those mentioned and then some.

[Casper]

- I had numerous set back issues where rack / reracking the rounds cause OAL to diminish - then you have feed problems. They may have finally fixed this issues with ammo. Total BS though.

Even gluing the bullets into the case doesn't stop this all the time.

[93coupelx]

The sig round is stuck with 125.


http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/AMM310-3560-155.html

I have seen some other choices too.

[Pokulski-Blatz]

Depending on what you get, you could use one platform and shoot all of those mentioned and then some.


like what platform? I am wanting a sig or a H&k but i have to be able to carry it.


I am open to other brand but it has to cost less than 800

[GT98SVO]

I think there are a few platforms you can shoot 9mm, .40S&W and .357SIG.
Try H&K, Sig Sauer, and Springfield XD.
You basically swap the barrels and magazines. I would think a spring swap might be in order as well.
I shot a Glock 33 which is a subcompact in .357Sig. It was really nice and I shot well with it.

[Pokulski-Blatz]

I think there are a few platforms you can shoot 9mm, .40S&W and .357SIG.
Try H&K, Sig Sauer, and Springfield XD.
You basically swap the barrels and magazines. I would think a spring swap might be in order as well.
I shot a Glock 33 which is a subcompact in .357Sig. It was really nice and I shot well with it.


gonna try to keep my distance from XD's due to my last one being super inacurate

[66Deuce]

One of the first semi auto pistols I owned was a P229. Very powerful round and high energy. FBI, DEA, various other local and federal agencies choose the Sig P229 in .357 as their carry piece. Many times at the range, the Sig would have people down range coming my way to have a look at what was making the big noise. Hogue soft grips will assist with recoil. Best overall round for carry and has great stopping power. Plus all the counter guys at the gun store of your choice will drool on your dick if you own a P229.

[Casper]

like what platform? I am wanting a sig or a H&k but i have to be able to carry it.


I am open to other brand but it has to cost less than 800

Tanfoglio. Many under $400. More swappability than anything else out there.

[wade_racing]

i have a sig p239 .357 and i love it. i was suprised at how much kick it had and the velocity and penetration is great. it has pretty good knock down power from what i have read as well. and its also small enough to conceal and carry... cant go wrong with the .357 sig round in my opinion. but they are expensive rounds to buy in comparison to say a .40 or .45

[Pokulski-Blatz]

Tanfoglio. Many under $400. More swappability than anything else out there.


not familiar with it

[Yale]

If you're looking for a carry gun, you'd do better to step down to a smaller framed auto, like a colt or sig/walther .380. .380 comes in winchester ranger flavor, and what you're shooting at can't tell it's 2mm shorter than 9mm, but otherwise of the same diameter. They're much easier to conceal, but hey, your choice. The biggest I'd go is a single stack 1911 with a 4" barrel for a carry gun, although I would never be opposed to having a .44mag under my seat. This weird obsession with rounds made for dragon slaying (for a carry gun) doesn't make any sense to me.

[Pokulski-Blatz]

If you're looking for a carry gun, you'd do better to step down to a smaller framed auto, like a colt or sig/walther .380. .380 comes in winchester ranger flavor, and what you're shooting at can't tell it's 2mm shorter than 9mm, but otherwise of the same diameter. They're much easier to conceal, but hey, your choice. The biggest I'd go is a single stack 1911 with a 4" barrel for a carry gun, although I would never be opposed to having a .44mag under my seat. This weird obsession with rounds made for dragon slaying (for a carry gun) doesn't make any sense to me.


I already have a kimber pro carry II 4inch ... but i cant find a damn holster like i want ... I think i will just skip buying another one for myself and get a holster made. I am after a small of the back that fits the 4 inch 1911, and if i get it made i am gonna want somewhere to put another mag just in case. shouldnt be too much bigger with somewhere to put a mag i dont think.

[Yale]

well there you go. a holster would probably be cheaper anyway.

[Pokulski-Blatz]

I was really wanting a 9mm. only reason i was concidering the .357 sig is i found a bad ass deal on a p2000sk for 590 NIB ... I wonder if there is a 9mm conversion kit for my kimber????? I know there is a .22 kit they have... might get that instead for plinking. or a .22 revolver, whatever is cheaper.

[Yale]

Why 9mm? you give up a lot for little to no advantage. .45acp ammo is cheap and plentiful by far compared to almost everything except 9mm, but 9mm isn't a great round in a full-frame gun. It just doesn't bring enough fight to the fight compared to the .45. That being said, you might look at handloading your .45 ammo, and it'd be about as cheap or cheaper than factory ammo 9mm. If you're dead set on a hot 9mm cartridge conversion for your 1911, you can't go wrong with .38 super. You could always get one of those conversions, and a .22 conversion for plinking.

[Pokulski-Blatz]

Why 9mm? you give up a lot for little to no advantage. .45acp ammo is cheap and plentiful by far compared to almost everything except 9mm, but 9mm isn't a great round in a full-frame gun. It just doesn't bring enough fight to the fight compared to the .45. That being said, you might look at handloading your .45 ammo, and it'd be about as cheap or cheaper than factory ammo 9mm. If you're dead set on a hot 9mm cartridge conversion for your 1911, you can't go wrong with .38 super. You could always get one of those conversions, and a .22 conversion for plinking.


I want a 9mm for the range ... I am about to go back into the army and i cant reload on post sadly. 10-15 bucks for 50 rounds fo .45 is a bit more than i would like to spend to shoot targets. I dont mind spending money on defansive rounds. I like the 6-7 buck a box when it comes to 9mm. But I will most likely just buy a .22 conversion sometime this week ... I wonder if that super cobri ammo at cheaper than dirt works in the conversion .. I know it wont cycle though

[That_Is_My_El_Camino]

not familiar with itCZ-75 clone

http://hunting.about.com/od/guns/l/aasteaapistolsa.htm

[GT98SVO]

gonna try to keep my distance from XD's due to my last one being super inacurate

Maybe an anomaly. Springfield's reputation is accuracy out of the box.

xd-talk.com has plenty of satisfied users.

[66Deuce]

This weird obsession with rounds made for dragon slaying (for a carry gun) doesn't make any sense to me.

When my brother got out of the Marines and told tale of them storming a room full of bg's in Iraq and them firing their trusty ol' govt issue rifle at center mass only to have a few bg's still moving in close enough to touch.... makes me a firm believer in stopping power.

There are plenty of videos out there of cops firing 9mm at bg's who just keep on attacking.

Some guns will hurt bg's, some guns will kill them tomorrow, but my gun will stop them right fackin now!

[66Deuce]

Maybe an anomaly. Springfield's reputation is accuracy out of the box.

xd-talk.com has plenty of satisfied users.


Ditto.

I've had the pleasure of firing quite a few rounds out of my friends XD .45 and can say that it was very accurate.

[Pokulski-Blatz]

Maybe an anomaly. Springfield's reputation is accuracy out of the box.

xd-talk.com has plenty of satisfied users.



I am putting more thought into the xd9 sub compact ... I wont carry it but my girl will

[360 Notch]

I carry the xd in .357

I have no issues or accuracy problems.

Great gun, waly world sells practice ammo and plenty of homedefence rounds are out there for it.

I also own a Kimber 1911, I carry the xd.

[Pokulski-Blatz]

I carry the xd in .357

I have no issues or accuracy problems.

Great gun, waly world sells practice ammo and plenty of homedefence rounds are out there for it.

I also own a Kimber 1911, I carry the xd.


Looks like i am buying a sig sauer p225 for 300 bucks .... should be a fun shooter for my girl ... I am prolly gonna stick with my kimber and buy a .22 conversion

[03trubluGT]

The most common police loading of the 357 was a 125gr loading, designed to have the recoil characteristics of the 38 special with a 158gr bullet. Kind of like a downloaded 10mm became a 40S&W.


When I hired on the S&W Model 65 was standard issue, and the Federal 158 gn hollow point was the issued ammo.

[Pokulski-Blatz]

When I hired on the S&W Model 65 was standard issue, and the Federal 158 gn hollow point was the issued ammo.


I know the .357 mag round is awesome ... i was thinking about buying a .357 sig


decided to go with another 9mm though ... dont want to try to feed the wrong ammo into one of my guns lol. I havent done it yet ... but i am sure in time it might happen. :eek: too many storys

[03trubluGT]

I know the .357 mag round is awesome ... i was thinking about buying a .357 sig


decided to go with another 9mm though ... dont want to try to feed the wrong ammo into one of my guns lol. I havent done it yet ... but i am sure in time it might happen. :eek: too many storys


I've shot a .357 Sig with some hot CorBon rounds. It was chrono'd at almost 1575 fps. I don't remember the weight, I think it was the 125 gns.


I would buy and carry a .357 Sig in a heartbeat. I carry a .40 for a duty gun, and have a S&W 642 Airweight with .38+P for off-duy/conceal carry.

I don't have a 9mm, but with ammo prices, they would make a good range gun, and they have little recoil.

IMHO, a .380 and smaller is too small, although I have seen one case where a single .25 auto round killed a man. It all comes down to shot placement.

[03trubluGT]

http://www.natchezss.com/ammo.cfm?contentID=productDetail&ammoGroup=2&brand=FA&prodID=FAP9HS2

If you go with a 9mm, might I suggest this for personal defense ammo.

[Pokulski-Blatz]

http://www.natchezss.com/ammo.cfm?contentID=productDetail&ammoGroup=2&brand=FA&prodID=FAP9HS2

If you go with a 9mm, might I suggest this for personal defense ammo.


I have 147 grain hornaday TAP JHP in my p225 right now

prolly get some hydrashock 135 grain 9mm for the next 9mm

[Pokulski-Blatz]

I don't have a 9mm, but with ammo prices, they would make a good range gun, and they have little recoil.

IMHO, a .380 and smaller is too small, although I have seen one case where a single .25 auto round killed a man. It all comes down to shot placement.


when i first shot the 9mm i didnt really love it. I really liked the 40 s&w. but after owning a xd in .40 I didnt like it as much as i thought i would. I went with a .45 acp after that and to be honest I love it. but for practice its sort of impractical as far as ammo prices at double what a box of 9mm costs. 14-15 bucks for a box of fmj .45 or 7 for a box of 9mm ... ill take 9mm please.

all that said i think i will stick with 9mm from now on. Although i will buy another .45 acp just cause its a bad motha at 230 grains of jhp loaded to p+ ..... the balistics are kick ass. But next 1911 i buy will be a fullsize and hand built i think

[jtm98snake]

I love it!!! It's awesome and fun to shoot.

[98BlownSS]

My XD45 Tactical is the most accurate pistol I have ever owned, out of the box. The debate about 9mm not being able to stop b.g. would be useless if people hit cns. However, when the shtf most people go back to training which is central mass. Most static range targets have the 10 ring where the diaphragm/stomach would be. So if you shoot the b.g. in the stomach it will not matter if you are using a .500 S&W or a .22 he will likely keep coming. This of course is just my humble opinion.

[Pokulski-Blatz]

My XD45 Tactical is the most accurate pistol I have ever owned, out of the box. The debate about 9mm not being able to stop b.g. would be useless if people hit cns. However, when the shtf most people go back to training which is central mass. Most static range targets have the 10 ring where the diaphragm/stomach would be. So if you shoot the b.g. in the stomach it will not matter if you are using a .500 S&W or a .22 he will likely keep coming. This of course is just my humble opinion.


aim for the chest ... problem solved.

and if a BG is comming at me I am not stoping with one round ... the BG is getting as many rounds as i see fit, wont stop till he stops comming.

[FastFord19]

I just got a glock 32 today that is .357. I can't wait to shoot it. It also came with the .40 barrel so it is the best of both worlds!

I'm now a Glock Owner!11