Left Wing Loonies in here!

[Slowhand]

Any of you have some crazy conspiracy theory on how the I-35 bridge collapse is Bush's fault?

I was listening to the news at work today and heard something about a senator going off into a rant about Bush while they were talking about the bridge collapse. When asked if he thought that Bush's spending had something to do with the bridge not being properly maintained, he simply stated "I can't quite make that statement yet."

Anyone going to try and make the connection?

[jyro]

on his weather machine Halliburton built for him. Cheney got the instructions for it from gitmo by personally torturing the Roswell aliens.

[Labora]

Bush doesn't like Bridges

[Ted]

I think it's the curse of Kirby.

[Mustangman_2000]

I think the only one thinking about Conspiracies is you. The rest of us are, who are interested, waiting for more information to surface about the accident. I don't think anyone knows definitely what happened as of right now.

It was a 40 y/o bridge that is 2,000 ft. long. There are a lot of things that can go wrong. Terrorism hasn't been completely ruled out, which I find very interesting. Who is too blame will be after they determine the exact cause of the collapse. If it's engineering and construction failures, then the onus falls on who provides funding. If it's terrorism, then we have bigger problems.

[Vertnut]

on his weather machine Halliburton built for him. Cheney got the instructions for it from gitmo by personally torturing the Roswell aliens.
LMAO @ Jyro. :D Some folks are strapping down their chinstraps on those tin-foil hats...

[Slowhand]

I think the only one thinking about Conspiracies is you. The rest of us are, who are interested, waiting for more information to surface about the accident. I don't think anyone knows definitely what happened as of right now.

It was a 40 y/o bridge that is 2,000 ft. long. There are a lot of things that can go wrong. Terrorism hasn't been completely ruled out, which I find very interesting. Who is too blame will be after they determine the exact cause of the collapse. If it's engineering and construction failures, then the onus falls on who provides funding. If it's terrorism, then we have bigger problems.

I'm not generating any conspiracies :confused:

I wasn't into the whole blame game to being with. I was just saying that i heard in an interview a senator not denying that he though bush might be partially responsible.

interview, conspiracy theory. easily mixed up. :rolleyes:

[FSON]

Minny-Sota is a near communist state so what do expect.

[gpamp]

I'm not generating any conspiracies :confused:

I wasn't into the whole blame game to being with. I was just saying that i heard in an interview a senator not denying that he though bush might be partially responsible.

interview, conspiracy theory. easily mixed up. :rolleyes:
I'd love to hear that interview. I'm pretty sure no one actually thinks that Bush is at fault. I mean, I guess you could go all out and say that he didn't sign some bill that would've allowed for all the bridges in the nation or something.

But I'm with Mustangman. You're trying to stir things up, because it somehow gives your life meaning to have an "enemy".

[Slowhand]

I'd love to hear that interview. I'm pretty sure no one actually thinks that Bush is at fault. I mean, I guess you could go all out and say that he didn't sign some bill that would've allowed for all the bridges in the nation or something.

But I'm with Mustangman. You're trying to stir things up, because it somehow gives your life meaning to have an "enemy".

Is that what I'm trying to do? You 100% on that? Any chance it might not be what I'm doing?

It doesn't give my life meaning to have an "enemy", I simply wanted to see if this was a thought that was actually being entertained by those on the left, because in the interview he did not deny that he thought bush could be culpable.

[Walsted]

Any of you have some crazy conspiracy theory on how the I-35 bridge collapse is Bush's fault?

I was listening to the news at work today and heard something about a senator going off into a rant about Bush while they were talking about the bridge collapse. When asked if he thought that Bush's spending had something to do with the bridge not being properly maintained, he simply stated "I can't quite make that statement yet."...
That last statement ("I can't quite make that statement, yet.") is one of the ultra-extreme liberal (left of pretty much anyone on this board,) tactics. You make a statement that passively implies the desired conclusion, but don't actually say it. Then, when questioned, you can say you didn't say that conclusion. The NY Times editorial section uses that a lot, as did the Austin editorialist that recently passed whose name I forget. Rosie used that tactic a lot when she was on The View, and the last time she did, it didn't work so well.

In this example, by saying "yet", the senator implies that he might be able to make that statement in the future, which implies that it is likely that it is Bush's fault, but he can't say so. When it comes to pass that it is proven that it is actually fatigue discovered and ignored through both party's administrations, or other non-partisan-attributable cause, he can deny having actually stated that it was Bush's fault. Personally, I believe it is a losing tactic, since it results in short-term negative feelings toward the target and long-term distrust of the source.

Or, I could have the Senator's intentions wrong. Others may disagree.

Edit: The Austin editorialist I referred to was Molly Ivins.

[agiraldo]

I love Bill Clinton............ AHHHHHHHHH...............


Greatest President Ever!...................... Go Hillary!

[agiraldo]

You said "loony" right :)

haha

[Paladin]

That last statement ("I can't quite make that statement, yet.") is one of the ultra-extreme liberal (left of pretty much anyone on this board,) tactics. You make a statement that passively implies the desired conclusion, but don't actually say it. Then, when questioned, you can say you didn't say that conclusion. The NY Times editorial section uses that a lot, as did the Austin editorialist that recently passed whose name I forget. Rosie used that tactic a lot when she was on The View, and the last time she did, it didn't work so well.

In this example, by saying "yet", the senator implies that he might be able to make that statement in the future, which implies that it is likely that it is Bush's fault, but he can't say so. When it comes to pass that it is proven that it is actually fatigue discovered and ignored through both party's administrations, or other non-partisan-attributable cause, he can deny having actually stated that it was Bush's fault. Personally, I believe it is a losing tactic, since it results in short-term negative feelings toward the target and long-term distrust of the source.

Or, I could have the Senator's intentions wrong. Others may disagree.


It seems like someone has figured the loony lefties out.

BTW, if this had happened during Clintons presidency I would have never insinuated or implied that he was at fault for the collapse. There have already been lots of left wing loonies that have said it was Bush's fault.

[jyro]

http://www.excludedmiddle.com/earthquake.htm

It was a option the aliens added to his weather machine after he saw the effects of Katrina, Scooter Libby and his buddy Mark Rich with Carl Rove in the lead told the President not to make hurricanes this year so he switched the selector to earthquakes.

It also has a volcano option in the works that Jimmy Carter used on Mount St Helens in 1980.

The aliens under torture also gave up the asteroid magnet and that's what the supercollider project was all about.

Video of weather machine, names and faces altered but it is Bush and Rove

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1IRq972FtiQ

[gpamp]

I heard John David Wells saying that he's blaming NAFTA and a few democrats.

You right wing loonies, you.

[AL P]

Well the lefties got to do something, the Iraq situation is looking better and they need something to cry about.

[Paladin]

Well the lefties got to do something, the Iraq situation is looking better and they need something to cry about.

Wouldn't that be something if the war keeps getting better and public approval continues to rise and then the newly elected Democrtic controlled congress continues to have the lowest approval ratings in history.

Yeah, those damn public opinion polls sure do matter to the Dems when they are against Bush, but watch how the liberals crawfish on their opinion of the polls when they are against the Dems. :D

[gpamp]

sense = 1
90 = 0

And if things are going so well in Iraq, then how come my copy of the Dallas Morning News Quick has "US Deaths Surge in Iraq" on the top right cover?

Again, Fox, 570AM, and 1080AM are just as biased as all the righties claim the "left wing media" is.

I guess if your idea of the war going well is "US Deaths" surging in Iraq, then hell yeah, it's great!!!

But I think if you ask most people on the left AND right, they'd probably like to see our Government try their hand at doing something more useful than whatever it is we're supposed to be doing in Iraq.

[AL P]

sense = 1
90 = 0

And if things are going so well in Iraq, then how come my copy of the Dallas Morning News Quick has "US Deaths Surge in Iraq" on the top right cover?

Again, Fox, 570AM, and 1080AM are just as biased as all the righties claim the "left wing media" is.

I guess if your idea of the war going well is "US Deaths" surging in Iraq, then hell yeah, it's great!!!

But I think if you ask most people on the left AND right, they'd probably like to see our Government try their hand at doing something more useful than whatever it is we're supposed to be doing in Iraq.

You saw it in the DMN so it must be absolutely true, huh dumbass?

I agree about the government, I'd like to see them provide you with a fucking haircut....

[Slowhand]

gpamp, don't you support the man who compared hillary to bush/cheney?

i mean, honestly? is he really that stupid?

[AL P]

Oh yea, I forgot to add....it has officially started:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070808/ap_on_el_pr/clinton_infrastructure

[Slowhand]

that (^) is actually not so bad, but what I don't agree with is:

"Something is very, very wrong when, at the dawn of the 21st century, in the richest country on earth, people are actually nervous about driving over bridges for fear that they'll collapse."

...I'm not afraid at all to drive across any bridge. in fact, i'm going to go out of my way to traverse bridges because i can.

what people fail to see in these things is that it's a one in a million chance that any one person will be involved in something like this, and since it already happened to 200-300 people, your chances of being involved in something similar drop even more.

[AL P]

that (^) is actually not so bad, but what I don't agree with is:

"Something is very, very wrong when, at the dawn of the 21st century, in the richest country on earth, people are actually nervous about driving over bridges for fear that they'll collapse."

...I'm not afraid at all to drive across any bridge. in fact, i'm going to go out of my way to traverse bridges because i can.

what people fail to see in these things is that it's a one in a million chance that any one person will be involved in something like this, and since it already happened to 200-300 people, your chances of being involved in something similar drop even more.

Don't let things like logic influence your vote though.

[46Tbird]

And if things are going so well in Iraq, then how come my copy of the Dallas Morning News Quick has "US Deaths Surge in Iraq" on the top right cover?

Sensationalism?

Nah.. couldn't be. :rolleyes:

[Slowhand]

Sensationalism?

Nah.. couldn't be. :rolleyes:

Once, i looked up liberal in the dictionary, and it said "see also: sensationalists"

true story.

[Paladin]

sense = 1
90 = 0

And if things are going so well in Iraq, then how come my copy of the Dallas Morning News Quick has "US Deaths Surge in Iraq" on the top right cover?

Again, Fox, 570AM, and 1080AM are just as biased as all the righties claim the "left wing media" is.

I guess if your idea of the war going well is "US Deaths" surging in Iraq, then hell yeah, it's great!!!

But I think if you ask most people on the left AND right, they'd probably like to see our Government try their hand at doing something more useful than whatever it is we're supposed to be doing in Iraq.

Why do you stop posting here for awhile after being embarrassed only to return and post somnething even more stupid than the last time? Maybe you go to moveon.org or dailykos.com and get your battery recharged and forget how stupid you look when you post this stuff. Or you have been smoking some of that wacky weed you so vehemently deny?

The biggest fear you liberal haters have is that this war goes good for us and you will have to admit you and your leaders were wrong by saying it could not be won. How sad to want your country to fail because you hate Bush so badly. This is the current state of the Democrats right now, they would rather wish harm to our soldiers and the country than try and be part of the solution to the war and admit they were wrong. Yeah, me accusing you of hate and anger is so off base!

Oh yeah, any chance an increase in deaths is attributed to the decrease we have had over the last 8 months? Yeah, it is unfortunate that when you are at war, which you idiots deny we are, people do have to die when there is a fight for good against evil. I guess it would be frustrating for you liberals to see these deaths as worthless because you have your head in the sand and deny we are at war or that our country is noble and fighting against terrorists.

[Paladin]

Oh yea, I forgot to add....it has officially started:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070808/ap_on_el_pr/clinton_infrastructure

I think her husband had 8 years to fix the bridge in question, since it was found to be structurally deficient in 1991, and didn't, but what does that matter, right?

[Paladin]

sense = 1
90 = 0

And if things are going so well in Iraq, then how come my copy of the Dallas Morning News Quick has "US Deaths Surge in Iraq" on the top right cover?

Again, Fox, 570AM, and 1080AM are just as biased as all the righties claim the "left wing media" is.

I guess if your idea of the war going well is "US Deaths" surging in Iraq, then hell yeah, it's great!!!

But I think if you ask most people on the left AND right, they'd probably like to see our Government try their hand at doing something more useful than whatever it is we're supposed to be doing in Iraq.

I just saw this, I wonder how you will rationalize this article. LOL



Iraq critics concede military progress
By TOM RAUM, Associated Press Writer
1 hour, 53 minutes ago

WASHINGTON - Even some critics of President Bush's Iraq war policies are conceding there is evidence of recent improvements from a military standpoint. But Bush supporters and critics alike agree that these have not been matched by any noticeable progress on the political front.

Despite U.S. pressure, Iraq's parliament went on vacation for a month after failing to pass either legislation to share the nation's oil wealth or to reconcile differences among the factions. And nearly all Sunni representatives in the government have quit, undermining the legitimacy of Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki, a Shiite.

Still, there have been signs of changes in attitudes, some on the ground in Iraq, some in the United States:

_Two critics of Bush's recent handling of Iraq, Michael O'Hanlon and Kenneth Pollack, both of the Brookings Institution, penned an op-ed opinion piece in The New York Times suggesting after a visit that "we are finally getting somewhere in Iraq, at least in military terms." They recommended Congress sustain the current troop buildup "at least into 2008."

_Leading anti-war Democrat Rep. John Murtha of Pennsylvania predicted that U.S. commanders will begin drawing down troop levels early next year and that Congress can be more flexible in setting a fixed deadline for ending the U.S. occupation.

_Polls suggest that Bush has had some degree of success in linking Islamic militants in Iraq with the al-Qaida terrorist movement.

"The administration is aggressively engaged in shifting (public) attitudes. And our side has been less aggressive than it needs to be," said Democratic pollster Celinda Lake. "The administration has been making inroads on their Iraqi argument, particularly linking it to terrorism."

After sliding to just 28 percent in June, within range of an all-time low, Bush's job approval rating on handling Iraq rose slightly to 31 percent in July, according to AP-Ipsos polling. And a recent CBS/NYT poll showed an increase in the percentage of Americans who think the U.S. did the right thing in going to war with Iraq, up to 42 percent from 35 percent in May.

"I don't claim our recommendation to keep surging into 2008 is a no-brainer. That can be debated. But I think people's opinions need to catch up with the battlefield facts," O'Hanlon said in an interview.

The op-ed piece he wrote with Pollack has been widely circulated by war supporters but denounced by many war critics. "As long as people start to get a sense that what's happening on the battlefield is different and better than what it was, then I feel like we've made our contribution," said O'Hanlon.

O'Hanlon and Pollack supported the 2003 invasion of Iraq, but they have been sharply critical of the administration's handling of the aftermath.

Like the Iraqi parliament, Congress has recessed for the rest of August, to return in September — when an eagerly awaited progress report on Iraq will be presented by Gen. David Petraeus, the top U.S. commander in Iraq, and Ryan Crocker, the U.S. ambassador to Iraq.

Bush previewed that report on Thursday, telling a news conference, "My own perspective is that they (Iraqis) have made some progress but not enough. I fully recognize this is a difficult assignment."

What lawmakers hear from their constituents during the next month could do a lot to shape the Iraq debate ahead of receiving that report.

Visiting Iraq, Illinois Sen. Dick Durbin, the second-ranking Democrat in the Senate, said Wednesday from Baghdad that American-led forces were "making some measurable progress, but it's slow going."

"As our troops show some progress toward security, the government of this nation is moving in the opposite direction. This is really unsustainable with the American people," Durbin said in an interview with National Public Radio.

House Minority Leader John Boehner, R-Ohio, said that Petraeus' plan was "producing good results. And the troops have achieved tactical momentum against al-Qaida. ...We're anxious to see what General Petraeus has to say in September. It will be a watershed moment in our efforts in Iraq."

Petraeus asserted that "we are making progress. We have achieved tactical momentum in many areas, especially against al-Qaida Iraq, and to a lesser degree against the militia extremists." Still, he told Fox News on Tuesday that "there are innumerable challenges."

Anthony Cordesman, an Iraq expert at the Center for Strategic and International Studies said, progress there "is a very mixed bag." After visiting Iraq, Cordesman cited recent military successes against al-Qaida terrorists — but said there has been less progress against Shiite extremist groups.

"I think senior Iraqi political leaders are talking to each other, but they're doing it around the prime minister (al-Maliki). It's not clear the prime minister is exerting any great leadership toward conciliation," Cordesman said.

"Barring a miracle, there will be very little political progress to point to in mid-September," Cordesman said Thursday in a briefing on his trip.

Michele Flournoy, a former Pentagon defense strategist and now president of the Center for a New American Security, said that "the clock in Washington is running down pretty fast. There's sort of a wall next March-April. That's when they'll have to start replacing units, which will hit the 15-month mark." Bush recently extended tours of duty from 12 months to 15 months.

"They're going to have some very tough choices then. Either the 'surge' will de facto end and they'll start bringing people out because there's no units to replace them. Or you're going to have to have a presidential decision to extend tours from 15 months to 18 months," Flournoy said.

Loren Thompson of the Lexington Institute, a Virginia-based think tank that follows defense issues, cites "significant progress" on the military front. "There's the backlash against al-Qaida in Anbar Province. There's a reduction in attacks in Baghdad. And there's the ongoing stabilization efforts in the suburban belt around Baghdad," Thompson said.

"The problem is that nobody in the United States sees any significant progress on the political front. The Shiites and Sunni factions in the government don't seem to be able to get along. And that makes Congress wonder whether we're making any real progress. Because, even with better security, the country can't figure out how to take care of itself," Thompson added.


gpamp= owned again
90 Notch= sorry, I have lost count how many times it has happened!

[AL P]

I wonder where Gpamp went?

[Paladin]

I wonder where Gpamp went?

//gpamps druggie band guy voice// It's close to the weekend dude, I have dope to smoke and alcohol to drink! //gpamps druggie band guy voice//

[gpamp]

//gpamps druggie band guy voice// It's close to the weekend dude, I have dope to smoke and alcohol to drink! //gpamps druggie band guy voice//
//90 Notch's douche-baggy 'I'm right because I listen to AM radio' voice// I have no life other than this board, and since gpamp has some form of life that I'm void of, I'll throw false accusations at him until SOMEONE actually listens to the bullshit I sling on a daily basis!//90 Notch's douche-baggy 'I'm right because I listen to AM radio' voice//

You, sir, have probably smoked far more pot than I. I've never touched anything harsher than alcohol in my entire life. And I didn't touch alcohol until I was 26.

You never embarrassed me. I stopped posting, because it became boring. Just as this thread proves. If I throw up a headline that says one thing, you and Al P are gonna throw some other reference that says the opposite... only because you say it, your source is, somehow, right. You counteract what you call "sensationalism" with more sensationalism. But for some reason, if it's conservative, it's not sensationalism. If that were true, your beloved AM talk radio (whitehouse mouthpiece) wouldn't exist.

I realize its embarrassing to have the president you voted for go into the sunset as a failure. But dammit. Accept it and move on. A president's success or failure is only public opinion for so long, before it becomes fact and history. You're betting on a lame horse. Don't take it out on me, with your slanderous lies. It's cool that you're a liar, 90. But please, lie about something that doesn't involve me. I don't like being called a druggie, or having insinuations of pot use being placed upon me by some liar, such as yourself. Go lie about yourself. Tell people you're a good person. And that you're smart. That should satisfy your thirst for untruths.

[Paladin]

//90 Notch's douche-baggy 'I'm right because I listen to AM radio' voice// I have no life other than this board, and since gpamp has some form of life that I'm void of, I'll throw false accusations at him until SOMEONE actually listens to the bullshit I sling on a daily basis!//90 Notch's douche-baggy 'I'm right because I listen to AM radio' voice//

Silly rabbit, the story is from the AP, not AM radio. Smoking that dope again and misread the article? LOL

You, sir, have probably smoked far more pot than I. I've never touched anything harsher than alcohol in my entire life. And I didn't touch alcohol until I was 26.

I never have touched dope of any kind. I do wish I had tried it since the trip you are on must be some wild ride, but it is too late for me, I should have tried when I was young like you. I have a wife, child and responsibilities that are contrary to that lifestyle. I will just sit on the sidelines and watch you guys who do stupid shit and laugh.

You never embarrassed me. I stopped posting, because it became boring. Just as this thread proves. If I throw up a headline that says one thing, you and Al P are gonna throw some other reference that says the opposite... only because you say it, your source is, somehow, right. You counteract what you call "sensationalism" with more sensationalism. But for some reason, if it's conservative, it's not sensationalism. If that were true, your beloved AM talk radio (whitehouse mouthpiece) wouldn't exist.

The fact that AM radio is the biggest growing media is because the majority of people have grown tired of liberal ilk like your self fabricating things to fit your agenda. It cost Rather his job and the ratings have tanked on your liberal news programs since. Just look at Katie Couric, the latest liberal news anchor to tank. She was supposed to save the nightly news segment, and that isn't happening.

The reality is that talk radio is putting out what people want to hear. You put out a product that people want, they tune in, and it becomes successful. The liberal message you spew with regularity is not resonating with people anymore. Just look at your beloved liberals screwing up a huge success in the last congressional elections, they have tanked in only a few months.


I realize its embarrassing to have the president you voted for go into the sunset as a failure. But dammit. Accept it and move on. A president's success or failure is only public opinion for so long, before it becomes fact and history. You're betting on a lame horse. Don't take it out on me, with your slanderous lies. It's cool that you're a liar, 90. But please, lie about something that doesn't involve me. I don't like being called a druggie, or having insinuations of pot use being placed upon me by some liar, such as yourself. Go lie about yourself. Tell people you're a good person. And that you're smart. That should satisfy your thirst for untruths.

In just figured that no sober person could be as stupid as you are, so the assumption is that you are high. I guess I could go with the complete idiot instead of druggie, but I thought the idea that you could stop smoking and reverse your idiocy is not as good as being a sober idiot to you. We can go either way, you decide. LOL

I guess if I was a liar I would take your accusations seriously, but why should I? Every drug induced rant I have ever heard in my 42 years has had wild, baseless crap in it, why should you be different? Take that and smoke it idiot.

[gpamp]

Silly rabbit, the story is from the AP, not AM radio. Smoking that dope again and misread the article? LOL



I never have touched dope of any kind. I do wish I had tried it since the trip you are on must be some wild ride, but it is too late for me, I should have tried when I was young like you. I have a wife, child and responsibilities that are contrary to that lifestyle. I will just sit on the sidelines and watch you guys who do stupid shit and laugh.



The fact that AM radio is the biggest growing media is because the majority of people have grown tired of liberal ilk like your self fabricating things to fit your agenda. It cost Rather his job and the ratings have tanked on your liberal news programs since. Just look at Katie Couric, the latest liberal news anchor to tank. She was supposed to save the nightly news segment, and that isn't happening.

The reality is that talk radio is putting out what people want to hear. You put out a product that people want, they tune in, and it becomes successful. The liberal message you spew with regularity is not resonating with people anymore. Just look at your beloved liberals screwing up a huge success in the last congressional elections, they have tanked in only a few months.




In just figured that no sober person could be as stupid as you are, so the assumption is that you are high. I guess I could go with the complete idiot instead of druggie, but I thought the idea that you could stop smoking and reverse your idiocy is not as good as being a sober idiot to you. We can go either way, you decide. LOL

I guess if I was a liar I would take your accusations seriously, but why should I? Every drug induced rant I have ever heard in my 42 years has had wild, baseless crap in it, why should you be different? Take that and smoke it idiot.

Why don't you just use more words than necessary to get your false points across. That way, everyone MIGHT think you have some form of intelligence. Even more, why don't you just say "you're an idiot" a bunch of times, and maybe we'll forget that you're an ignorant piece of garbage with a bigger mouth. Therefore, your point tends to be made more often, whether or not it's wrong. And it's usually wrong.

Enjoy your Sunday of surfing the internet, looking for people smarter than you, then calling them an idiot. I'm sitting in a recording studio, making music.

Go lie about someone. That seems to cheer you up.

[Paladin]

Why don't you just use more words than necessary to get your false points across. That way, everyone MIGHT think you have some form of intelligence. Even more, why don't you just say "you're an idiot" a bunch of times, and maybe we'll forget that you're an ignorant piece of garbage with a bigger mouth. Therefore, your point tends to be made more often, whether or not it's wrong. And it's usually wrong.

Enjoy your Sunday of surfing the internet, looking for people smarter than you, then calling them an idiot. I'm sitting in a recording studio, making music.

Go lie about someone. That seems to cheer you up.

Another drug induced rant, huh? LOL

I tell the truth, apparently the old adage about the truth hurting has rung true.

[Casper]

I never have touched dope of any kind.

Funny thing, that. I have ingested probably more legal psychoactive drugs (via prescription) than anyone I know and I still don't see the animosity towards Bush. Not my first choice for world leader, but shit, it is nice to have a person with some balls in the driver's seat. He'll go down as a top notch president in 100 years, my bet. Look what they did with that fucker Wilson. And FDR. And Jackson. W will someday be on currency.

[gpamp]

Another drug induced rant, huh? LOL

I tell the truth, apparently the old adage about the truth hurting has rung true.
Dude, seriously. You consistently project your feelings of "the truth hurts" all over this board. By saying that you're telling the truth, all the while telling a bold-face lie AND committing slander in the process, you subconsciously admit that you are exactly the person you accuse me of being.

Is calling me a drug addict (when I'm not) the only way you can feel like you've "won" something? You're ridiculous AND trivial.

[aceman85turbo]

gtampon, just so you know, you lost this argument just like the last 5.

dont feel bad though, we could not possibly think of you any less.

[Mustangman_2000]

I still don't see the animosity towards Bush. Not my first choice for world leader, but shit, it is nice to have a person with some balls in the driver's seat. He'll go down as a top notch president in 100 years, my bet.

I doubt that George W. Bush will ever be regarded as a good or great President. Actually, I believe history will not kind to this President. It will be a difficult sell to try and paint this President in a good light with those pesky record low 20% - 30% approval ratings. Even the Republicans jumped off the Bush bandwagon with his endorsement of allowing(sell/money) the UAE to control U.S. Seaports, then his recent dubious support of immigration reform and amnesty to illegal aliens.

I don't think anyone knows how to categorize President Bush. He's not a Conservative, He's not a Democrat, He's not a Libertarian. George Bush does what is good for business at the expense of the desires and wishes of the American people. The Bush Administration doesn't have the word Proletariat in their vocabulary.

90 Notch loves to preach about how Pro-Conservative mediums like AM Radio are become exceedingly popular and have the pulse of the nation. :rolleyes: Well, this President doesn't listen to views expressed on those type of programs. So, ultimately they are pointless. He makes decisions with or without the approval of the majority of this country. i.e. Immigration Reform/Amnesty. We are effectively disenfranchised under the current Bush Administration.

No, I would say that a century from now (If we are still here) history will reflect poorly upon this President. I will even go as far to say that he might even become the archetypical template on what not to do as President of the U.S.

- Tim

[Paladin]

Dude, seriously. You consistently project your feelings of "the truth hurts" all over this board. By saying that you're telling the truth, all the while telling a bold-face lie AND committing slander in the process, you subconsciously admit that you are exactly the person you accuse me of being. .

I haven't lied about anything. I guess if you keep writing it, maybe you will even start to believe it.


Is calling me a drug addict (when I'm not) the only way you can feel like you've "won" something? You're ridiculous AND trivial.

If I am so trivial, why do you keep getting your panties in a wad when I am making fun of you? Didn't you learn anything when you were in school and people made fun of you, which I know happened. You should ignore them, because once you whine and cry like a bitch at the abuse, it only get worse. LOL

[Paladin]

I doubt that George W. Bush will ever be regarded as a good or great President. Actually, I believe history will not kind to this President. It will be a difficult sell to try and paint this President in a good light with those pesky record low 20% - 30% approval ratings. Even the Republicans jumped off the Bush bandwagon with his endorsement of allowing(sell/money) the UAE to control U.S. Seaports, then his recent dubious support of immigration reform and amnesty to illegal aliens.

I don't think anyone knows how to categorize President Bush. He's not a Conservative, He's not a Democrat, He's not a Libertarian. George Bush does what is good for business at the expense of the desires and wishes of the American people. The Bush Administration doesn't have the word Proletariat in their vocabulary.

90 Notch loves to preach about how Pro-Conservative mediums like AM Radio are become exceedingly popular and have the pulse of the nation. :rolleyes: Well, this President doesn't listen to views expressed on those type of programs. So, ultimately they are pointless. He makes decisions with or without the approval of the majority of this country. i.e. Immigration Reform/Amnesty. We are effectively disenfranchised under the current Bush Administration.

No, I would say that a century from now (If we are still here) history will reflect poorly upon this President. I will even go as far to say that he might even become the archetypical template on what not to do as President of the U.S.

- Tim

I am shocked that you want to categorize Bush as conservative or libertarian or any other label. He does what he thinks is right, and doesn't worry about polls. If he did that, he would just be another weak minded liberal, since you guys get your nuts off every time a poll even remotely sides with your party. I guess it doesn't sit too well that the democratically controlled congress has lower poll numbers than Bush does, does it? Does that mean your Dems are worse than Bush or will you admit that doing what is best and right shouldn't be dictated by polls?

BTW, I am disappointed with Bsuh on immigration and for a few other reasons, so don't go down the Bsuh nut-hugging route. Bush is a man of honor and integrity, and if Clinton had been a similar man, he would have been known as being a great President. Instaed, Clinton will only be remembered for being a liar and not worthy of the office.

I think you are completely wrong about Bush's legacy. IMO he will go down as the President who started the fight against global terror and for starting us down the right path to victory against them. He is taking the fight to them instead of trying to negotiate with them like we did after the 1993 WTC attack.

Look at Carters legacy. He thought of himself as a peaceful President who was willing to utilize diplomacy to the extreme and it cost him dearly when he underreacted to Iran. It has only been 25-30 years since his Presidency and he is only remembered for having been the President who allowed a few college students bring the most powerful nation to it's knees. I think Bush's legacy will be as a strong leader.

Reagans legacy is that he ended the cold war, and to a lesser extent, the Iran-Contra affair. Bush Sr. has the first Gulf War for his legacy.

I have gone down the road of why talk radio is booming and liberal media is dying a rapid death with you, do we need to go there again? Remember, I will just ask you why no media outlet can take a mainstream liberal message and succeed. Just ask Air America how that liberal mesage sells to mainstream America. LOL

[Paladin]

Why do MM2000 and gpamp leave threads when they don't go their way?

[Mustangman_2000]

Why do MM2000 and gpamp leave threads when they don't go their way?

couple of reasons........

1 - Just now re-checked this particular thread.

2 - Was just stating my opinion and wasn't looking for or interested in a debate.

Bush is a man of honor and integrity

That's disturbing that you really think that. It just shows me how deluded you really are regarding this man.

George W. Bush a man of Honor and Integrity..huh? :rolleyes: Only someone like you could make that leap.

- Excluding all the many untruths he told during the course of this Presidency i.e. (Stating for the record that there were no WMDs found in Iraq, but people like Denny have pages and pages of pictures that serve to refute that claim.) I'll just casually mention a couple of indiscretions not relating to his time in office.

- He's was arrested for DUI in 1976, then subsequently buried the event not formally acknowledging it (after being questioned) until his 2000 campaign. He admittedly had an alcohol problem until his 40th birthday and claims he "learned his lesson". He's also has claimed that he has been sober and hasn't touched a drop since 1986. Well, we all know that's non-sense. Everyone has seen the infamous Weiss wedding videos where he is drunk of his ass in 1992. Even going as far to say people who don't drink are boring.

- His military career is full of embarrassing and loose details i.e. Not submitting to a physical and newly implemented drug test program in 1972, which resulted in him being suspended from flight status. And over the years he has since told many different version of why he quit flying, non of which including getting suspended. The story you get will just depend on the date and location of the interview. There are unanswered questions about his whereabouts from 1972-1973. No documentation to support his explanation of his activity during that time. Etc, Etc....

This summer President Bush had a recorded 26% approval rating. One of the lowest approval ratings for a President in almost 40 years. I think this country has figured out George Bush and are ready for him to finish his term. He has even lost the support of many insider Republicans due to his obvious abdication of conservative values as of late.

I'll leave you with this little interesting tid bit about someone people like you love to vilify all while you are exalting Bush at the same time.

John Kerry served with honor and distinction in the U.S. Navy. He served in the Vietnam War. He served aboard a Swift boat on hostile waters in South Vietnam. He was awarded a Silver Star, Bronze Star, and 3 Purple Hearts.

and in contrast.......

George W. Bush, a silver spoon blue-blood son of an influential father, avoided combat by getting placed into the National Guard. He never served a day in combat and has a dubious military record that has more holes in it than swiss cheese. His military record ends with being suspended from flight status for not participating in a mandatory physical/drug test. His fathers influence later allowed him to be honorably discharged when anyone else with his record would have been dishonorably discharged. There are lingering allegations of cocaine abuse during that time as well as a expunged arrest record.

[Paladin]

couple of reasons........

1 - Just now re-checked this particular thread.

2 - Was just stating my opinion and wasn't looking for or interested in a debate.



That's disturbing that you really think that. It just shows me how deluded you really are regarding this man.

George W. Bush a man of Honor and Integrity..huh? :rolleyes: Only someone like you could make that leap.

- Excluding all the many untruths he told during the course of this Presidency i.e. (Stating for the record that there were no WMDs found in Iraq, but people like Denny have pages and pages of pictures that serve to refute that claim.) I'll just casually mention a couple of indiscretions not relating to his time in office.

- He's was arrested for DUI in 1976, then subsequently buried the event not formally acknowledging it (after being questioned) until his 2000 campaign. He admittedly had an alcohol problem until his 40th birthday and claims he "learned his lesson". He's also has claimed that he has been sober and hasn't touched a drop since 1986. Well, we all know that's non-sense. Everyone has seen the infamous Weiss wedding videos where he is drunk of his ass in 1992. Even going as far to say people who don't drink are boring.

- His military career is full of embarrassing and loose details i.e. Not submitting to a physical and newly implemented drug test program in 1972, which resulted in him being suspended from flight status. And over the years he has since told many different version of why he quit flying, non of which including getting suspended. The story you get will just depend on the date and location of the interview. There are unanswered questions about his whereabouts from 1972-1973. No documentation to support his explanation of his activity during that time. Etc, Etc....

This summer President Bush had a recorded 26% approval rating. One of the lowest approval ratings for a President in almost 40 years. I think this country has figured out George Bush and are ready for him to finish his term. He has even lost the support of many insider Republicans due to his obvious abdication of conservative values as of late.

I'll leave you with this little interesting tid bit about someone people like you love to vilify all while you are exalting Bush at the same time.

John Kerry served with honor and distinction in the U.S. Navy. He served in the Vietnam War. He served aboard a Swift boat on hostile waters in South Vietnam. He was awarded a Silver Star, Bronze Star, and 3 Purple Hearts.

and in contrast.......

George W. Bush, a silver spoon blue-blood son of an influential father, avoided combat by getting placed into the National Guard. He never served a day in combat and has a dubious military record that has more holes in it than swiss cheese. His military record ends with being suspended from flight status for not participating in a mandatory physical/drug test. His fathers influence later allowed him to be honorably discharged when anyone else with his record would have been dishonorably discharged. There are lingering allegations of cocaine abuse during that time as well as a expunged arrest record.

All this coming from a guy who still defends Clinton and thinks he is an honorable and noble guy. LOL

OH BTW, nice ignoring all the points I made about legacy for presidents and go into your Democratic moveon.org talking points!

[gpamp]

Why do MM2000 and gpamp leave threads when they don't go their way?
I didn't leave. My computer at home is having issues.

Do you need me to constantly be here?

It's sweet. Really it is.

[Mr Majestyk]

So THAT'S why this site has seemed so much better lately :D

(J/K of course)

[Paladin]

I didn't leave. My computer at home is having issues.

Do you need me to constantly be here?

It's sweet. Really it is.

Operator error? LOL

I do need the comedic relief, but beyond that you serve little purpose.

[jyro]

His fathers influence later allowed him to be honorably discharged when anyone else with his record would have been dishonorably discharged.

Did you pull this out of Dan Rathers notes.