Early NFL Predictions... [Archive]

SouthernSVT

06-25-2007, 02:06 PM

With the draft over, and the majority of free agency done, I figure it's time for early predictions. If nothing else it will waste some time, and it's a nice change from the UFC threads. So who do ya'll pick to win each division?

These are mine....

AFC EAST
New England Patriots - Too many weapons for any of the others to even compete.
New York Jets
Buffalo Bills
Miami Dolphins

AFC NORTH
Baltimore Ravens - Wild Card
Cincinnati Bengals - If they keep thier players out of trouble I think they can beat out the Ravens.
Pittsburgh Steelers
Cleveland Browns

AFC SOUTH
Indianapolis Colts - Defending champs, still too good to beat.
Tennessee Titans
Jacksonville Jaguars
Houston Texans

AFC WEST
San Diego Chargers - Will be just as good as last year, maybe better.
Kansas City Chiefs
Denver Broncos - Wild Card
Oakland Raiders

NFC EAST
Philadelphia Eagles - Wild Card
Dallas Cowboys - Will be either Dallas or Philly, gotta go with the home team though.
New York Giants
Washington Redskins

NFC NORTH
Chicago Bears - Hester on offence just makes em harder to beat.
Green Bay Packers
Minnisota Vikings
Detroit Lions

NFC SOUTH
New Orleans Saints - They will just beat out Carolina cause of Delhomme.
Carolina Panthers - Wild Card
Atlanta Falcons
Tampa Bay Buccaneers

NFC WEST
Seattle Seahawks
St. Louis Rams
San Francisco 49ers - Will come out on top of a close all-out race.
Arizona Cardinals

Geor!

06-25-2007, 02:11 PM

STEELERS Super Bowl Champs.

SouthernSVT

06-25-2007, 02:13 PM

STEELERS Super Bowl Champs.
That's a joke right.

TOMMY

06-25-2007, 02:21 PM

If Moss has is head screwed on right...Pats should win the SuperBowl

Geor!

06-25-2007, 02:23 PM

That's a joke right.
You have faith in your team, I have faith in mine. Nothing wrong with that, right? But yes, half-way joking.

As far as your predictions go, I'm all with you except for your AFC North and AFC South Predictions. Everyone knows that All That Remains will be the SB Champs!

The Ravens, I feel, will be able to win the AFC North again this year. The Bengals are in bad shape, real bad shape, especially if their players continue on their downward spirals.

The Colts have lost too much on defense to really do much this year and I'm thinking that Tennessee is going to be much improved and will win their division.

Hollywood

06-25-2007, 02:24 PM

SouthernSVT

06-25-2007, 02:44 PM

You have faith in your team, I have faith in mine. Nothing wrong with that, right? But yes, half-way joking.

As far as your predictions go, I'm all with you except for your AFC North and AFC South Predictions. Everyone knows that All That Remains will be the SB Champs!

The Ravens, I feel, will be able to win the AFC North again this year. The Bengals are in bad shape, real bad shape, especially if their players continue on their downward spirals.

The Colts have lost too much on defense to really do much this year and I'm thinking that Tennessee is going to be much improved and will win their division.
Ya, you gotta stick with your team, i'll give ya that. I don't really see a metalcore band winning the SuperBowl, but these days you never know :rolleyes: . I also see your point about the Colts, but the Titans got worse in the off-season imo. Maybe Jacksonville, but I think that entire division is screwed this year.

SouthernSVT

06-25-2007, 02:45 PM

I pretty much agree with all your picks except Carolina for wild card. although i'm uncertain who gets that last wild card. Maybe someone in the NFC west like Seattle.
Seattle was my next wild card pick.

SVTVenom

06-27-2007, 01:19 AM

Mine. Only real differences are Tennessee getting the Wild Card instead of Denver and Seattle winning the NFC West.

AFC EAST
New England Patriots
New York Jets
Buffalo Bills
Miami Dolphins

AFC NORTH
Baltimore Ravens - Wild Card
Cincinnati Bengals
Pittsburgh Steelers
Cleveland Browns

AFC SOUTH
Indianapolis Colts
Tennessee Titans - Wild Card
Jacksonville Jaguars
Houston Texans

AFC WEST
San Diego Chargers
Kansas City Chiefs
Denver Broncos
Oakland Raiders

NFC EAST
Philadelphia Eagles - Wild Card
Dallas Cowboys
New York Giants
Washington Redskins

NFC NORTH
Chicago Bears
Green Bay Packers
Minnesota Vikings
Detroit Lions

NFC SOUTH
New Orleans Saints
Carolina Panthers - Wild Card
Atlanta Falcons
Tampa Bay Buccaneers

NFC WEST
Seattle Seahawks
St. Louis Rams
San Francisco 49ers
Arizona Cardinals

BlackCT9A

07-16-2007, 06:49 PM

The Colts have lost too much on defense to really do much this year and I'm thinking that Tennessee is going to be much improved and will win their division.

You have to remember how horrible the Colts' defense was all regular season. Nobody gave them a chance against KC. Then Baltimore. Then New England. It wasn't until they reached the Super Bowl did people give them any sort of chance.

Also...the Colts had many backups playing positions all season due to injuiries to starters. I don't think the youngin's will have too hard of a time picking up where the vets left off.

The Superbowl Champion team showed that defense doesn't always win championships...

hotdoggit18

07-16-2007, 07:11 PM

Miami Dolphins all the way to the bowl!!!!

SVTVenom

07-16-2007, 07:11 PM

You have to remember how horrible the Colts' defense was all regular season. Nobody gave them a chance against KC. Then Baltimore. Then New England. It wasn't until they reached the Super Bowl did people give them any sort of chance.

Also...the Colts had many backups playing positions all season due to injuiries to starters. I don't think the youngin's will have too hard of a time picking up where the vets left off.

The Superbowl Champion team showed that defense doesn't always win championships...

A big part of the defensive resurgence by the Colts was Bob Sanders' return from injury. He only played in 4 regular season games last season.

The only real rookie/backup that saw significant play-time was Anoine Bethea who replaced Bob Sanders.

The Colts lost both starting CB's Nick Harper to the Titans and Jason David to the Saints, LB Cato June to the Bucs, and S Mike Doss to the Vikings. Thats alot of players and talent to lose and not feel ANY effects.

Marlin Jackson is a good, proven replacement, but Kelvin Hayden is certainly not. Freddy Keiaho? Nuff said there. Bathea is serviceable at best and is certainly no Mike Doss.

I'm not saying that the Colts are DOOMED, but things are certainly going to be much tougher on them to repeat after losing so much talent on the defensive side of the ball. Even more pressure is going to be on Manning and the offense to keep the Colts in games because they are going to be giving up many more points than they have in the past few years. They'll win the AFC South, but its alot closer this year than in the past few years.

Miami Dolphins all the way to the bowl!!!!

Not likely. The AFC East is going to be won by the Patriots so the Dolphins will have to get a Wild Card spot to even be in it and there are lots of other teams in the AFC who are significantly better than the 'Fins who will be going after those Wild Card spots.

hotdoggit18

07-16-2007, 07:14 PM

The Lions are going to take the NFC north.

Grant

07-16-2007, 07:15 PM

The Lions are going to take the NFC north.

Where? Out to lunch?

SVTVenom

07-16-2007, 07:16 PM

The Lions are going to take the NFC north.

LMFAO! If the Dolphins Super-Bowl pick didn't make you look stupid enough, that pick did the trick. The Bears OWN the NFC North, period.

SVTVenom

07-16-2007, 07:20 PM

Interesting read from Peter King:

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/writers/peter_king/07/16/mmqb/index.html

I'm surprised to see Vince Young/Titans getting some media love after the horrible, no-major move offseason they had.

Cowboys at #14.

hotdoggit18

07-16-2007, 07:20 PM

SVT, First of all we all know I was joking about the miami pick. Second, the bears arnt shit. And did you forget the lions drafted by far the best player in the draft? Hes game changer. And the bears dont even believe in their own QB. Ask ol' Tommy, he'll tell ya.

SVTVenom

07-16-2007, 07:26 PM

First of all we all know I was joking about the miami pick. Second, the bears arnt shit. And did you forget the lions drafted by far the best player in the draft? Hes game changer. And the bears dont even believe in their own QB. Ask ol' Tommy, he'll tell ya.

Seeing as how there was no indication of you joking, it was a bit hard to tell. Add that with the picking of the Lions to win the NFC North and it seemed pretty legit.

Sorry, but drafting Calvin Johnson does not take the Lions from being a 3-13 team to winning the NFC North. You and Jon Kitna are higher than shit for thinking the Lions are going to be a 10+ win team, let alone a division winner.

Yes, the Bears have some question-marks with Grossman as the QB and Lance Briggs holding out, but those pale in comparison to the problems the Lions have. The Bears had that division locked up the second they left the field after being beaten by the Colts.

hotdoggit18

07-16-2007, 07:32 PM

Seeing as how there was no indication of you joking, it was a bit hard to tell. Add that with the picking of the Lions to win the NFC North and it seemed pretty legit.

Sorry, but drafting Calvin Johnson does not take the Lions from being a 3-13 team to winning the NFC North.

Saints
Bengals
Jets

are teams that turned it around within a year or two. I see you have a decent amount of NFL knowledge, but you should think before you post.

BlackCT9A

07-16-2007, 07:32 PM

A big part of the defensive resurgence by the Colts was Bob Sanders' return from injury. He only played in 4 regular season games last season.

The only real rookie/backup that saw significant play-time was Anoine Bethea who replaced Bob Sanders.

The Colts lost both starting CB's Nick Harper to the Titans and Jason David to the Saints, LB Cato June to the Bucs, and S Mike Doss to the Vikings. Thats alot of players and talent to lose and not feel ANY effects.

Marlin Jackson is a good, proven replacement, but Kelvin Hayden is certainly not. Freddy Keiaho? Nuff said there. Bathea is serviceable at best and is certainly no Mike Doss.

I'm not saying that the Colts are DOOMED, but things are certainly going to be much tougher on them to repeat after losing so much talent on the defensive side of the ball. Even more pressure is going to be on Manning and the offense to keep the Colts in games because they are going to be giving up many more points than they have in the past few years. They'll win the AFC South, but its alot closer this year than in the past few years.

Not likely. The AFC East is going to be won by the Patriots so the Dolphins will have to get a Wild Card spot to even be in it and there are lots of other teams in the AFC who are significantly better than the 'Fins who will be going after those Wild Card spots.

I applaud you. It's rare to find a football fan that's done their homework as you have.

I am a homer, so I will always be on my team's side. You are right, we got decimated by free agency, but I'm confident that they'll find some way to perservere.

And you're right about the AFC wild card. There's just too many better teams in the AFC than the Dolphins. San Diego, Indianapolis, and New England are almost shoo-in's for their respective conferences...Jacksonville, Denver, and New York are just a few that are better than the Dolphins. I don't think any quarterback short of Peyton Manning or Tom Brady could save that organization.

SVTVenom

07-16-2007, 07:55 PM

Saints
Bengals
Jets

are teams that turned it around within a year or two. I see you have a decent amount of NFL knowledge, but you should think before you post.

The Saints added Drew Brees, a Pro-Bowl QB, and had Deuce McAllister come back from injury. I'd say that had a little something to do with their offensive explosion last year along with the fact they played in a shitty division.

The Bengals took longer than a year or two to get things turned around. Only in Carson Palmer's 3rd season did they post a winning record and went back to 8-8 last season. With their problems off the field, they are far from getting things turned around.

I wouldn't call going 24 and 24 in the past 3 seasons as the Jets being turned around. They lucked out last season that the AFC North was weak as fuck in comparison to previous seasons.

Sorry, but those teams were way ahead of where the Lions were/are anyway. I have more than a decent amount of NFL knowledge and certainly a considerable amount more than you.

I applaud you. It's rare to find a football fan that's done their homework as you have.

I am a homer, so I will always be on my team's side. You are right, we got decimated by free agency, but I'm confident that they'll find some way to perservere.

And you're right about the AFC wild card. There's just too many better teams in the AFC than the Dolphins. San Diego, Indianapolis, and New England are almost shoo-in's for their respective conferences...Jacksonville, Denver, and New York are just a few that are better than the Dolphins. I don't think any quarterback short of Peyton Manning or Tom Brady could save that organization.

Well, some would have you believe I don't know a lick and that I am out of my mind. Of course those are the people who claim that one player like Bob Sanders or Greg Ellis can't affect a defense to where it completely falls apart NaSSty Nate, but I stand by my statements and simply laugh at the rest.

The Titans, Broncos, Bengals, Steelers, and Jets all have a better shot at the Wild Card spots than Miami does.

Cartman

07-19-2007, 01:39 AM

The Saints added Drew Brees, a Pro-Bowl QB, and had Deuce McAllister come back from injury. I'd say that had a little something to do with their offensive explosion last year along with the fact they played in a shitty division.

you forgot RB was a big part of it as well :D

07-19-2007, 08:45 AM

you forgot RB was a big part of it as well :D

Deuce McAllister isn't a running back?

I'm looking for Arizona to do really good this year. Their new head coach is the Steelers old offensive coordinator, Whisenhunt made Big Ben a total stud. Leinart has more talent and better targets to throw at. That and they've got one of the best running backs in the game still.

I'm looking for a Saints - Chargers superbowl, unless of course Rivers or LT go down with injuries. If so substitute the Bears.

Geor!

07-19-2007, 08:53 AM

Deuce McAllister isn't a running back?

I'm looking for Arizona to do really good this year. Their new head coach is the Steelers old offensive coordinator, Whisenhunt made Big Ben a total stud. Leinart has more talent and better targets to throw at. That and they've got one of the best running backs in the game still.

I'm looking for a Saints - Chargers superbowl, unless of course Rivers or LT go down with injuries. If so substitute the Bears.
Actually, Whisenhunt hindered Roethlisberger more than you claim with your statement. He never really let him open up the offense. For instance, they tried to run no-huddle (Ben's idea) and Whisenhunt refused to do it. The new OC in Pittsburgh, Bruce Arians, will hopefully have a bit more success than Whiz did and he has stated that it's Ben's offense and he's going to let him run the offense with more control the Whiz let him have.

Was Whiz a bad OC? Heavens no. He just never gave Ben the chance to do what he wanted to do to try and improve things. It's every manager's job (and we all know that coaches are managers) to listen to their employees. Whiz just didn't do a very good job at that. That's one of the reasons, I believe, the Steelers chose not to hire him as the new head coach of their organization once Cowhr left. And another one of the reasons that I believe Whiz will fail as a HC and the Cardinals will still be nothing but a mediocre team, at best, with him in control.

Just my assessment as a Steeler's fan.

bjtheman1

07-19-2007, 10:07 AM

GO 49ers!

Hollywood

07-19-2007, 10:08 AM

I applaud you. It's rare to find a football fan that's done their homework as you have.

You're new around here aren't you? july 07, yep, lol. Don't let him fool you, he dont' know jack squat and probably copied and pasted that from ESPN.

bcoop

07-19-2007, 10:09 AM

Deuce McAllister isn't a running back?

You misunderstood him. Reggie Bush. Which is why Cartman is ribbing him.

I think you are all high. It was a fluke that the Bears made it to the SB last year. I seriously don't think they'll be back.

Sean88gt

07-19-2007, 03:46 PM

Miami Dolphins all the way to the toilet bowl!!!!

The Broncos are going to win it all. Cutler will get a chance to show his skills this year.

bcoop

07-19-2007, 03:56 PM

The Broncos are going to win it all. Cutler will get a chance to show his skills this year.

That's an awful lot of pressure to put on an inexperienced QB.

Cartman

07-20-2007, 11:23 AM

The Broncos are going to win it all. Cutler will get a chance to show his skills this year.
no way if the broncos had VY then yea but no 2nd yr qb is going to win a super bowl other then him ;)

and thanks Bcoop I thought everybody knew that RB was reggie bush.
I think the pat's are going to be too hard to beat this year.

so I say Pat's
bengals
bronco's
Jaguar's
Steelers
Jets or KC

NFC
I don't like the boy's but I don't think philly has it this year
so
boy's
niner's
saint's
vik's
card's
hawks

and my dolphins get the number 1 or 2 pick next year :D

SVTVenom

07-22-2007, 11:19 PM

you forgot RB was a big part of it as well :D

Yeah, that whopping 3.6 YPC really made them a playoff contender. :rolleyes: His production was minimal at best compared to what Brees, McAllister, or Colston did for that team.

no way if the broncos had VY then yea but no 2nd yr qb is going to win a super bowl other then him ;)

To steal a famous line from you: VY did more with less last season. Both Cutler and Leinart had significantly more offensive talent around them last season and weren't able to make anywhere near the immediate impact VY did. Despite the Titans current youth and inexperience on offense, I'd say they have the best chance out of the three to make the playoffs/win a SB in the next few years.

You're new around here aren't you? july 07, yep, lol. Don't let him fool you, he dont' know jack squat and probably copied and pasted that from ESPN.

Wrong dumbfuck. 100% me. You can even do a search if you like and you'll find me stating the same thing when Colts haters were on here saying they wouldn't do shit because of their poor run 'D'. Bob Sanders was they key.

Also, the Colts just took a HUGE hit on the offense because Tarik Glenn has annouced he is going to retire.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2944430

Looks like Cartman's boy Tony Ugoh is going to have to take the diapers off and step up. Those are some big ass shoes to fill.

Cartman

07-24-2007, 03:32 PM

To steal a famous line from you: VY did more with less last season. Both Cutler and Leinart had significantly more offensive talent around them last season and weren't able to make anywhere near the immediate impact VY did. Despite the Titans current youth and inexperience on offense, I'd say they have the best chance out of the three to make the playoffs/win a SB in the next few years.

to correct you again, titans D did more than vy did to get those wins, but with pacman out who is gonna make up for the INT's or INCPLT of vy?

Hollywood

07-24-2007, 03:49 PM

To steal a famous line from you: VY did more with less last season. Both Cutler and Leinart had significantly more offensive talent around them last season and weren't able to make anywhere near the immediate impact VY did. Despite the Titans current youth and inexperience on offense, I'd say they have the best chance out of the three to make the playoffs/win a SB in the next few years.

.

Becareful not to choke on that VY kool-aid. Best chance to make the SB of those 3 in the next few years, lol. Yea, because the Titans have a better track record of success than the broncos, lmao. Cutler > VY

Juiced4V

07-24-2007, 03:51 PM

NFC - Dallas Cowboys (fav team) :D
AFC - San Diego

46Tbird

07-24-2007, 05:58 PM

Cowboys are coming home with the Lombardi, apologies in advance to all you Saints, Eagles, and 49ers idiots.

Geor!

07-24-2007, 06:21 PM

Cowboys are coming home with the Lombardi, apologies in advance to all you Saints, Eagles, and 49ers idiots.
And you're completely out of your fucking mind. Apologies in advance to your shattered dreams.

46Tbird

07-24-2007, 06:22 PM

And you're completely out of your fucking mind. Apologies in advance to your shattered dreams.
Oh yeah, you sensitive Steelers types are gonna be crying into your towels. Be sure to use unscented Downy, it's easier on the allergies.

Geor!

07-24-2007, 06:24 PM

Oh yeah, you sensitive Steelers types are gonna be crying into your towels. Be sure to use unscented Downy, it's easier on the allergies.
I'm no the one going into the season expecting my team to win the big game. I'd be happy just to make the playoffs, in all honesty. There's not going to be any crying this year, but I'll be a good sport and let you wipe your tears away with my towel when Tony Homo fucks up another game winning snap.

Yellowstang

07-24-2007, 07:50 PM

Cowboys and Raiders in the SB, mark my words.... Michael Vick wins the MVP too.

yeah right.

That_Is_My_El_Camino

07-24-2007, 08:04 PM

Cowboys are coming home with the Lombardi, apologies in advance to all you Saints, Eagles, and 49ers idiots.Fuckin' A. :cool:

bcoop

07-24-2007, 08:45 PM

There's not going to be any crying this year, but I'll be a good sport and let you wipe your tears away with my towel when Tony Homo fucks up another game winning snap.

Jesus tap dancing Christ! He shouldn't have been holding the fucking ball in the first place for crying out loud!

I'm not expecting the Boys to win, but I predict a 12-4 season. We'll see. :)

46Tbird

07-24-2007, 10:32 PM

I'm no the one going into the season expecting my team to win the big game. I'd be happy just to make the playoffs, in all honesty. There's not going to be any crying this year, but I'll be a good sport and let you wipe your tears away with my towel when Tony Homo fucks up another game winning snap.
The Boys are going 16-0 bitch! It's gonna be the best fucking football season of all time! You heard it here first!

Kaji

07-24-2007, 10:37 PM

Texans Cardinals SUPERBOWL BRAWL!!!!!!!!!!!

JMAC

07-25-2007, 12:30 AM

Pats!

Geor!

07-25-2007, 07:12 AM

The Boys are going 16-0 bitch! It's gonna be the best fucking football season of all time! You heard it here first!
Double or nothing our original bet? :D

46Tbird

07-25-2007, 07:44 AM

No! But you can buy the beer for the seaon's first Cowboy victory watching party as payment. :D

Geor!

07-25-2007, 07:45 AM

No! But you can buy the beer for the seaon's first Cowboy victory watching party as payment. :D
How bout I just send you a check?

Juiced4V

07-25-2007, 08:06 AM

The Boys are going 16-0 bitch! It's gonna be the best fucking football season of all time! You heard it here first!

damn right !!!

bcoop

07-25-2007, 08:46 AM

The Boys are going 16-0 bitch!

Come on now Danny. The Patriots are going to be pretty unstoppable this year, and we have to play them. 15-1. Bitch!

SouthernSVT

07-25-2007, 09:49 AM

Hell, the 'boys have as good a chance of anyone at winning the NFC this year. I would put them in the top three no matter if I was a fan or not. NFC will be either Dallas or New Orleans. AFC San Diego or New England.

...and the Cardinals will let the state of Arizona down once again.

SVTVenom

07-29-2007, 04:43 PM

to correct you again, titans D did more than vy did to get those wins, but with pacman out who is gonna make up for the INT's or INCPLT of vy?

LOL, the 31st ranked defense did more? Yeah, ok. :rolleyes: Again, you astound us with your idiocy. That defense was horrible and cost that team a chance at the playoffs. A good amount of the incompletions VY had last season were due to poor recievers. They'd get hit right in both hands with the ball and still drop it. Drew Bennett dropped passes all season long.

Becareful not to choke on that VY kool-aid. Best chance to make the SB of those 3 in the next few years, lol. Yea, because the Titans have a better track record of success than the broncos, lmao. Cutler > VY

The Broncos have been choke artists ever since Elway retired. They will be average at best. The Titans haven't done as well as Denver in the past 3-4 seasons, but were one of the best teams in the league from 1999-2003.

Hollywood

07-30-2007, 09:32 AM

LOL, the 31st ranked defense did more? Yeah, ok. :rolleyes: Again, you astound us with your idiocy. That defense was horrible and cost that team a chance at the playoffs. A good amount of the incompletions VY had last season were due to poor recievers. They'd get hit right in both hands with the ball and still drop it. Drew Bennett dropped passes all season long.

lol, you must have made that comment with the assumption we couldn't look up that stat. Nice try, but Bennett was hardly the problem. Hmmm, lets look at the league leaders in dropped passes.

1 Terrell Owens Dal 17
2t Darrell Jackson Sea 11
2t Andre Johnson Hou 11
2t Troy Williamson Min 11
5 Steve Smith Car 10
6 Reggie Brown Phi 9
7t Reggie Bush NO 8
7t Chris Chambers Mia 8
7t Donald Driver GB 8
7t Braylon Edwards Cle 8
7t Bubba Franks GB 8
7t Joey Galloway TB 8
7t Devery Henderson NO 8
7t Randy McMichael Mia 8
7t Randy Moss Oak 8
7t Reggie Wayne Ind 8
7t Reggie Williams Jac 8
18t Alge Crumpler Atl 7
18t Ahman Green GB 7
18t Marvin Harrison Ind 7
18t Torry Holt StL 7
18t Dennis Northcutt Cle 7
18t Michael Pittman TB 7
18t Roddy White Atl 7

Didn't make the list. Thats a shame. Didn't even have 7 dropped passes.

The Broncos have been choke artists ever since Elway retired. They will be average at best. The Titans haven't done as well as Denver in the past 3-4 seasons, but were one of the best teams in the league from 1999-2003.

2003, you'd think that was last season or something. That was 4 years ago.

SVTVenom

08-02-2007, 09:22 PM

lol, you must have made that comment with the assumption we couldn't look up that stat. Nice try, but Bennett was hardly the problem. Hmmm, lets look at the league leaders in dropped passes.

1 Terrell Owens Dal 17
2t Darrell Jackson Sea 11
2t Andre Johnson Hou 11
2t Troy Williamson Min 11
5 Steve Smith Car 10
6 Reggie Brown Phi 9
7t Reggie Bush NO 8
7t Chris Chambers Mia 8
7t Donald Driver GB 8
7t Braylon Edwards Cle 8
7t Bubba Franks GB 8
7t Joey Galloway TB 8
7t Devery Henderson NO 8
7t Randy McMichael Mia 8
7t Randy Moss Oak 8
7t Reggie Wayne Ind 8
7t Reggie Williams Jac 8
18t Alge Crumpler Atl 7
18t Ahman Green GB 7
18t Marvin Harrison Ind 7
18t Torry Holt StL 7
18t Dennis Northcutt Cle 7
18t Michael Pittman TB 7
18t Roddy White Atl 7

Didn't make the list. Thats a shame. Didn't even have 7 dropped passes.

I'd like to see where you got those #'s from because I'd like to see them first hand and I can guarantee you he dropped more than 7 passes last season. They might not have been recorded as official drops, but that guy along with the rest of the Titans' recievers needed some super-glue on their gloves because they were Butterfingers all year long.

2003, you'd think that was last season or something. That was 4 years ago.

Thats not a long time at all and its not really quite 4 years seeing as how it would have been the 2003-2004 season that was their last really good year. 3 seasons.

08-02-2007, 09:36 PM

The Broncos are going to win it all. Cutler will get a chance to show his skills this year.

Thank you. Maybe not win it all, but they'll be better than y'all hosers are giving them credit.

Aside from Peyton Manning, I don't know of one QB in the NFL that will be able to throw successfully against Champ Bailey and Dre Bly.

IF Cutler can play to his potential the Chargers will finish second in the AFC West.

And ROFLMMFAO at SVT picking the Chefs ahead of Denver in the AFC West. You're a fucking retard. Who's going to throw the ball to their Eddie Quitterson and co? Brody Croyle? Damon Huard? Who is their running back? Priest Holmes? Who knows if he's ever going to be as good as he was. Even if he is, their two plugs of offensive lineman are gone. Give me a fucking break.

08-02-2007, 09:38 PM

The Broncos have been choke artists ever since Elway retired. They will be average at best. The Titans haven't done as well as Denver in the past 3-4 seasons, but were one of the best teams in the league from 1999-2003.

Just stop now, please. The Titans made it to the Super Bowl ONCE because of some fucked up flukish play. And they lost. Not sure if you remember that or not...

Average at best....right....

Cartman

08-02-2007, 10:02 PM

SVTVenom

08-02-2007, 10:03 PM

Aside from Peyton Manning, I don't know of one QB in the NFL that will be able to throw successfully against Champ Bailey and Dre Bly.

Tom Brady, Drew Brees, and Carson Palmer come to mind.

And ROFLMMFAO at SVT picking the Chefs ahead of Denver in the AFC West. You're a fucking retard. Who's going to throw the ball to their Eddie Quitterson and co? Brody Croyle? Damon Huard? Who is their running back? Priest Holmes? Who knows if he's ever going to be as good as he was. Even if he is, their two plugs of offensive lineman are gone. Give me a fucking break.

Huard was quite serviceable when Green was down. He played in 10 games last season and had only 7 games with a QB rating of over 97. Thats pretty damn good for a backup.

Despite Johnson's holdout, he'll end up playing for them this season and with Priest Holmes making a comeback, that just adds to the lethality of their running attack.

Sorry, but Jay Cutler isn't on the level of Damon Huard right now due to his inexperience and Travis Henry isn't even in the same universe as Larry Johnson or Priest Holmes.

Just stop now, please. The Titans made it to the Super Bowl ONCE because of some fucked up flukish play. And they lost. Not sure if you remember that or not...

Average at best....right....

And the two other years in that stretch where they were good and made the playoffs, they were beaten by the eventual Super-Bowl teams representing the AFC in those years. They were good for more than just one year and yes, the Broncos will be average this season.

SVTVenom

08-02-2007, 10:30 PM

really so the d that had nothing to do with at least 3 of the wins, when golden boy vy had 89yrds throwing no td's? or when pac man jones saved them after vy turned the ball over, with an int. they wouldn't have beat houston with that d stepping up.

I'm not sure of all the games you are referencing, but I'll do my best to figure them out since you never really do cite specific examples, ever.

The first game I think you are referencing is their 1st game against the Colts where they lost 13-14. While VY didn't have a passing TD in that game, he did score their only TD of that game on a 19 yard run. Pac-Man didn't have an INT in that game. Chris Hope was the only player for the Titans to have an INT that day. The Titans were winning that game towards the end of the 4th quarter 13-7 and the defense couldn't get off the field and let Manning chew up the clock and toss the game winning score.

VY scored two TD's against Houston in their first game against them (1 passing/ 1 rushing) and scored the winning TD against Houston in their second game against them in OT. Without VY, they don't win either of those games as the defense gave up 20+ points in both games and over 700 total yards.

The other game(s) you are referencing are the two games against Jacksonville in which VY did not fare as well as his others:

The first game can be explained with the simple fact that Tennesee overall didn't perform well. VY didn't have a good game, Travis Henry definately didn't have a good game, and that defense gave up over 6 yards per play and almost 40 points. Nobody is going to win a game with a team performing like that.

The second game can be explained by the fact that the Titans defense couldn't ever get off the field and never could give VY and the offense the ball. The Jags had the ball for 44:22 out of 60:00. You can't expect a team's offense to be able to get in rhythm with only 15:38 worth of ball time. The Titans were lucky that day that they were playing David Garrard and he turned the ball over 4 times that day and were able to take 3 of those back for scores. That pretty much never, ever happens in a game like that.

You claim Pac-Man is going to be a huge loss for their 'D' when it comes to INT's, but he only had 4 all of last season. Thats not alot in comparison to other so-called 'elite' DB's. I'm definately not saying Pac-Man isn't good and his absence won't be felt, but he isn't the be-all, end-all of that team and still had some growth to do as an NFL DB.

08-03-2007, 03:37 AM

Tom Brady, Drew Brees, and Carson Palmer come to mind.

Huard was quite serviceable when Green was down. He played in 10 games last season and had only 7 games with a QB rating of over 97. Thats pretty damn good for a backup.

Despite Johnson's holdout, he'll end up playing for them this season and with Priest Holmes making a comeback, that just adds to the lethality of their running attack.

Sorry, but Jay Cutler isn't on the level of Damon Huard right now due to his inexperience and Travis Henry isn't even in the same universe as Larry Johnson or Priest Holmes.

And the two other years in that stretch where they were good and made the playoffs, they were beaten by the eventual Super-Bowl teams representing the AFC in those years. They were good for more than just one year and yes, the Broncos will be average this season.

Funny, because Carson Palmer and Tom Brady both have problems against just Champ Bailey with a mediocre CB opposite him. Denver owns New England, period.

Denver will be average huh...well tell that to everyone who matters that is predicting them to go anywhere from 10-6 to 13-3. I hardly call that "average", especially in the AFC...

Cartman

08-03-2007, 03:41 AM

I'm not sure of all the games you are referencing, but I'll do my best to figure them out since you never really do cite specific examples, ever.

The first game I think you are referencing is their 1st game against the Colts where they lost 13-14. While VY didn't have a passing TD in that game, he did score their only TD of that game on a 19 yard run. Pac-Man didn't have an INT in that game. Chris Hope was the only player for the Titans to have an INT that day. The Titans were winning that game towards the end of the 4th quarter 13-7 and the defense couldn't get off the field and let Manning chew up the clock and toss the game winning score.

VY scored two TD's against Houston in their first game against them (1 passing/ 1 rushing) and scored the winning TD against Houston in their second game against them in OT. Without VY, they don't win either of those games as the defense gave up 20+ points in both games and over 700 total yards.

The other game(s) you are referencing are the two games against Jacksonville in which VY did not fare as well as his others:

The first game can be explained with the simple fact that Tennesee overall didn't perform well. VY didn't have a good game, Travis Henry definately didn't have a good game, and that defense gave up over 6 yards per play and almost 40 points. Nobody is going to win a game with a team performing like that.

The second game can be explained by the fact that the Titans defense couldn't ever get off the field and never could give VY and the offense the ball. The Jags had the ball for 44:22 out of 60:00. You can't expect a team's offense to be able to get in rhythm with only 15:38 worth of ball time. The Titans were lucky that day that they were playing David Garrard and he turned the ball over 4 times that day and were able to take 3 of those back for scores. That pretty much never, ever happens in a game like that.

You claim Pac-Man is going to be a huge loss for their 'D' when it comes to INT's, but he only had 4 all of last season. Thats not alot in comparison to other so-called 'elite' DB's. I'm definately not saying Pac-Man isn't good and his absence won't be felt, but he isn't the be-all, end-all of that team and still had some growth to do as an NFL DB.
just do the search on here to find the games, I know that 3 of the games the d bailed vy out. one of the games he had 89yrds throwing. he had 4 ints but nobody threw at his side so it cut the field in half and he did alot on the returns as well.

Hollywood

08-03-2007, 05:35 PM

Funny, because Carson Palmer and Tom Brady both have problems against just Champ Bailey with a mediocre CB opposite him. Denver owns New England, period.

Denver will be average huh...well tell that to everyone who matters that is predicting them to go anywhere from 10-6 to 13-3. I hardly call that "average", especially in the AFC...

Venom lives in a world where his opinion is not only more valid than all of ours, but anyone who's played in the NFL or even been around the NFL reporting on it longer than he has been alive.

BOOSTED32V

08-03-2007, 07:03 PM

Can we get a Forum for just for SVT and Cartman, I was gonna reply, but fuck it now :rolleyes: ...'H'

COWBOY'S for the win :cool:

trickz

08-04-2007, 02:45 AM

cowboys to the SUPER BOWL!

5.0 svo

08-04-2007, 03:39 AM

Romomentum!!!!!!

5.0 svo

08-04-2007, 03:45 AM

lol, you must have made that comment with the assumption we couldn't look up that stat. Nice try, but Bennett was hardly the problem. Hmmm, lets look at the league leaders in dropped passes.

1 Terrell Owens Dal 17
2t Darrell Jackson Sea 11
2t Andre Johnson Hou 11
2t Troy Williamson Min 11
5 Steve Smith Car 10
6 Reggie Brown Phi 9
7t Reggie Bush NO 8
7t Chris Chambers Mia 8
7t Donald Driver GB 8
7t Braylon Edwards Cle 8
7t Bubba Franks GB 8
7t Joey Galloway TB 8
7t Devery Henderson NO 8
7t Randy McMichael Mia 8
7t Randy Moss Oak 8
7t Reggie Wayne Ind 8
7t Reggie Williams Jac 8
18t Alge Crumpler Atl 7
18t Ahman Green GB 7
18t Marvin Harrison Ind 7
18t Torry Holt StL 7
18t Dennis Northcutt Cle 7
18t Michael Pittman TB 7
18t Roddy White Atl 7

Didn't make the list. Thats a shame. Didn't even have 7 dropped passes.

2003, you'd think that was last season or something. That was 4 years ago.
I dont think that list is accurate either. Maybe Owens but that is because they scrutinize him so much. You also have to consider how many times they get dumped the ball. Like R. Bush gets thrown to very quick so he is apt to have some "dropped balls".

Sean88gt

08-05-2007, 08:35 AM

I dont think that list is accurate either. Maybe Owens but that is because they scrutinize him so much. You also have to consider how many times they get dumped the ball. Like R. Bush gets thrown to very quick so he is apt to have some "dropped balls".

Owens gets butter fingers because of scrutiny?! This is the NFL...where all players deal with some level of scrutiny.

Stephen

08-05-2007, 09:33 AM

i would love to see the cowboys win the superbowl but i would be really happy with winning a couple playoff games too since they havent done that in 10 years

SVTVenom

08-05-2007, 01:50 PM

Funny, because Carson Palmer and Tom Brady both have problems against just Champ Bailey with a mediocre CB opposite him. Denver owns New England, period.

While Denver has beaten NE the past 3 games they have played them, they haven't been able to shut down Brady. They were able to shut down NE's running game and made NE become a one-trick pony. If you can't run the ball, you aren't going to win in the NFL, plain and simple. They didn't have anyone rush over 70 yards in any of those games.

However, in those 3 games, Brady has averaged over 320 YPG. That's a "Bend, but don't break" defense which won't get a team where they want to be - the Super-Bowl.

Carson Palmer is 1-1 against Denver in his NFL career and even left your boy, Champ, face down on MNF while Chad Johnson took one to the house for 50 yards. Two games isn't enough to say either way, but both have been able to make plays against each other.

Denver will be average huh...well tell that to everyone who matters that is predicting them to go anywhere from 10-6 to 13-3. I hardly call that "average", especially in the AFC...

They lost their best safety after getting murdered for no reason, their #2 WR Rod Smith may or may not retire before the season starts, Dre Bly is getting booed in practice for getting burned by guys like David Kircus, and they are handing the franchise over to a QB with 5 games of starting experience - that oozes average, especially in the division they play in.

A 9-win season in the AFC barely got a team into the playoffs last season and they needed help from 3 teams to make it at that. Denver will need at least 10 wins to get a Wild-Card and I think thats going to be alot to ask from that team.

just do the search on here to find the games, I know that 3 of the games the d bailed vy out. one of the games he had 89yrds throwing. he had 4 ints but nobody threw at his side so it cut the field in half and he did alot on the returns as well.

Why search on here when I can go look at his game log/game recap and know what happend as well as me watching the games?

As I stated in by response to you, he did have poor games against Jacksonville, but both sides of the ball were at fault in those games.

Again, your poor attempt to minimize what VY did for the Titans last season has failed. He took a 3-win team and made them a playoff contender with a bunch of nobodies. Thats why he was ROY.

Pac-Man didn't even lead his team in passes-defended last season. Plenty of teams threw on him, including the Cowboys. I believe T.O. had a 46 yard catch against him last season. He's good, but he had a way to go too.

Returns are the least of Tennesee's concerns. More than likely, either Cortland Finnegan or Chris Davis will do their returns and guys on the Titans have said Finnegan is as fast, if not faster, than Pac-Man.

Cartman

08-05-2007, 09:04 PM

While Denver has beaten NE the past 3 games they have played them, they haven't been able to shut down Brady. They were able to shut down NE's running game and made NE become a one-trick pony. If you can't run the ball, you aren't going to win in the NFL, plain and simple. They didn't have anyone rush over 70 yards in any of those games.

However, in those 3 games, Brady has averaged over 320 YPG. That's a "Bend, but don't break" defense which won't get a team where they want to be - the Super-Bowl.

Carson Palmer is 1-1 against Denver in his NFL career and even left your boy, Champ, face down on MNF while Chad Johnson took one to the house for 50 yards. Two games isn't enough to say either way, but both have been able to make plays against each other.

They lost their best safety after getting murdered for no reason, their #2 WR Rod Smith may or may not retire before the season starts, Dre Bly is getting booed in practice for getting burned by guys like David Kircus, and they are handing the franchise over to a QB with 5 games of starting experience - that oozes average, especially in the division they play in.

A 9-win season in the AFC barely got a team into the playoffs last season and they needed help from 3 teams to make it at that. Denver will need at least 10 wins to get a Wild-Card and I think thats going to be alot to ask from that team.

Why search on here when I can go look at his game log/game recap and know what happend as well as me watching the games?

As I stated in by response to you, he did have poor games against Jacksonville, but both sides of the ball were at fault in those games.

Again, your poor attempt to minimize what VY did for the Titans last season has failed. He took a 3-win team and made them a playoff contender with a bunch of nobodies. Thats why he was ROY.

Pac-Man didn't even lead his team in passes-defended last season. Plenty of teams threw on him, including the Cowboys. I believe T.O. had a 46 yard catch against him last season. He's good, but he had a way to go too.

Returns are the least of Tennesee's concerns. More than likely, either Cortland Finnegan or Chris Davis will do their returns and guys on the Titans have said Finnegan is as fast, if not faster, than Pac-Man.

so you want to place money on the titans wins this year?

Hollywood

08-06-2007, 01:41 AM

I'd like to see where you got those #'s from because I'd like to see them first hand and I can guarantee you he dropped more than 7 passes last season. They might not have been recorded as official drops, but that guy along with the rest of the Titans' recievers needed some super-glue on their gloves because they were Butterfingers all year long.

Thats not a long time at all and its not really quite 4 years seeing as how it would have been the 2003-2004 season that was their last really good year. 3 seasons.

lol, now you're a statician for the NFL? lol.
Quit drinking the VY kool-aid and open up your eyes.
You want a link. Here you go

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/9805429
http://sports.myway.com/nfl/stats/league/passesdropped.html
http://snap.stats.com/stats/nflinfo/leaders.asp?year=Q&type=NFL+Receiving&rank=232&Submit=Go
http://sports.excite.com/nfl/stats/league/passesdropped.html
http://stats.washingtonpost.com/fb/leaders.asp?year=2006&range=NFC&type=Receiving&rank=232
http://realfootball365.stats.com/fb/leaders.asp?year=2006&range=NFC&type=Receiving&rank=232

5.0 svo

08-07-2007, 09:08 PM

Owens gets butter fingers because of scrutiny?! This is the NFL...where all players deal with some level of scrutiny.
You can not say they dont replay his dropped passes more than anyone elses. They will play it all the way into the next play half the time.
I didnt say he dont have butterfingers. He does. But I think alot of other people have as many drops as he does.

08-07-2007, 09:12 PM

They lost their best safety after getting murdered for no reason, their #2 WR Rod Smith may or may not retire before the season starts, Dre Bly is getting booed in practice for getting burned by guys like David Kircus, and they are handing the franchise over to a QB with 5 games of starting experience - that oozes average, especially in the division they play in.

A 9-win season in the AFC barely got a team into the playoffs last season and they needed help from 3 teams to make it at that. Denver will need at least 10 wins to get a Wild-Card and I think thats going to be alot to ask from that team.

You're retarded. Their best safety was not shot. Derrant (sp?) Williams was a CB and he was shot. Their best safety is still John Lynch.

Sharp as a bowling ball aren't ya?

Thurston

08-07-2007, 10:10 PM

Cartman

08-07-2007, 10:22 PM

Idiocy huh? Thats weird, alot of us think the same thing of yours truly. Speaking of dropped passes...I frankly recall you talking mad shit on Favre and his poor passer rating...Green Bay led the NFL in dropped passes last season.
no that arguement only works when it helps VY, now stop correcting venom

SVTVenom

08-08-2007, 08:28 PM

lol, now you're a statician for the NFL? lol.
Quit drinking the VY kool-aid and open up your eyes.
You want a link. Here you go

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/9805429
http://sports.myway.com/nfl/stats/league/passesdropped.html
http://snap.stats.com/stats/nflinfo/leaders.asp?year=Q&type=NFL+Receiving&rank=232&Submit=Go
http://sports.excite.com/nfl/stats/league/passesdropped.html
http://stats.washingtonpost.com/fb/leaders.asp?year=2006&range=NFC&type=Receiving&rank=232
http://realfootball365.stats.com/fb/leaders.asp?year=2006&range=NFC&type=Receiving&rank=232

Well, since no major site I frequent with any regularity i.e. NFL.com, Yahoo! Sports, ESPN, etc. has that statistic listed.

I checked those links out, but none have a key indicating what specifically warrants a dropped pass. Does that mean a player must have had both hands on the ball and then dropped it?

I was able to watch pretty much every game Vince Young started in and I know Drew Bennett "dropped" more than 7 passes in 16 games. Hell, you can go on any Titans related message board and you'll find them bashing Bennett for dropping passes all last season.

I did notice that according to those stats links you posted that he was in the Top-10 in "Passes Not Caught." So, what exactly is the difference between a "drop" and a "pass not caught?" Thats a bit ambiguous.

Here is a video example of a perfect pass by Vince Young to Drew Bennett and him "dropping" it:

<object width="425" height="350"> <param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/vETo1FKQbHg"> </param> <embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/vETo1FKQbHg" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" width="425" height="350"> </embed> </object>

Watch the very first play. Thats an example of what happened alot of last year not only with Bennett, but the rest of that recieving corps. Thats one of the main reasons why those guys didn't get re-signed - asking too much money for shitty production/play.

so you want to place money on the titans wins this year?

With your record of going against Vince Young, that wouldn't be fair to you. Either way, I don't do money bets. All I've stated about them in regards to this coming season as I think they will end up snagging one of the Wild-Card spots in the AFC.

You're retarded. Their best safety was not shot. Derrant (sp?) Williams was a CB and he was shot. Their best safety is still John Lynch.

Sharp as a bowling ball aren't ya?

S/CB, their both DB's.

I see you had no comment what so ever for the things I rattled off. I also find it funny you dog the Chiefs, yet Denver has been looking at making a trade with the Chiefs for another safety. So if the Chiefs suck and Denver is looking at trading for their players, what exactly does that make Denver, LOL!?

Denver has some good players and has potential, but they are not anywhere near the dominant team you act like they have been the past few years and have some SERIOUS question-marks at some key positions.

Idiocy huh? Thats weird, alot of us think the same thing of yours truly. Speaking of dropped passes...I frankly recall you talking mad shit on Favre and his poor passer rating...Green Bay led the NFL in dropped passes last season.

Dropped passes isn't the only reason why he had a shitty QB Rating. His 38 TD's to 47 INT's in the past two seasons did him in for those 70.9 and 72.7 season ratings.

You can even go back three seasons and he still has nearly a 1 TD/1 INT ratio with 68 TD to 64 INT's. Thats horrible.

He's old and washed up and is forcing throws he can no longer make. The only thing Brett Favre is doing right now is making that team an even bigger piece of shit once he leaves. The Packers are going to be up shit creek once he's gone when it comes to having a QB that can do anything.

Cartman

08-09-2007, 02:10 AM

Well, since no major site I frequent with any regularity i.e. NFL.com, Yahoo! Sports, ESPN, etc. has that statistic listed.

I checked those links out, but none have a key indicating what specifically warrants a dropped pass. Does that mean a player must have had both hands on the ball and then dropped it?

I was able to watch pretty much every game Vince Young started in and I know Drew Bennett "dropped" more than 7 passes in 16 games. Hell, you can go on any Titans related message board and you'll find them bashing Bennett for dropping passes all last season.

I did notice that according to those stats links you posted that he was in the Top-10 in "Passes Not Caught." So, what exactly is the difference between a "drop" and a "pass not caught?" Thats a bit ambiguous.

Here is a video example of a perfect pass by Vince Young to Drew Bennett and him "dropping" it:

<object width="425" height="350"> <param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/vETo1FKQbHg"> </param> <embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/vETo1FKQbHg" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" width="425" height="350"> </embed> </object>

Watch the very first play. Thats an example of what happened alot of last year not only with Bennett, but the rest of that recieving corps. Thats one of the main reasons why those guys didn't get re-signed - asking too much money for shitty production/play.

With your record of going against Vince Young, that wouldn't be fair to you. Either way, I don't do money bets. All I've stated about them in regards to this coming season as I think they will end up snagging one of the Wild-Card spots in the AFC.

S/CB, their both DB's.

I see you had no comment what so ever for the things I rattled off. I also find it funny you dog the Chiefs, yet Denver has been looking at making a trade with the Chiefs for another safety. So if the Chiefs suck and Denver is looking at trading for their players, what exactly does that make Denver, LOL!?

Denver has some good players and has potential, but they are not anywhere near the dominant team you act like they have been the past few years and have some SERIOUS question-marks at some key positions.

Dropped passes isn't the only reason why he had a shitty QB Rating. His 38 TD's to 47 INT's in the past two seasons did him in for those 70.9 and 72.7 season ratings.

You can even go back three seasons and he still has nearly a 1 TD/1 INT ratio with 68 TD to 64 INT's. Thats horrible.

He's old and washed up and is forcing throws he can no longer make. The only thing Brett Favre is doing right now is making that team an even bigger piece of shit once he leaves. The Packers are going to be up shit creek once he's gone when it comes to having a QB that can do anything.
I hate brett favre but don't even compare vy to him.

Hollywood

08-11-2007, 07:27 PM

I'm not sure of all the games you are referencing, but I'll do my best to figure them out since you never really do cite specific examples, ever.

The first game I think you are referencing is their 1st game against the Colts where they lost 13-14. While VY didn't have a passing TD in that game, he did score their only TD of that game on a 19 yard run. Pac-Man didn't have an INT in that game. Chris Hope was the only player for the Titans to have an INT that day. The Titans were winning that game towards the end of the 4th quarter 13-7 and the defense couldn't get off the field and let Manning chew up the clock and toss the game winning score.

VY scored two TD's against Houston in their first game against them (1 passing/ 1 rushing) and scored the winning TD against Houston in their second game against them in OT. Without VY, they don't win either of those games as the defense gave up 20+ points in both games and over 700 total yards.

The other game(s) you are referencing are the two games against Jacksonville in which VY did not fare as well as his others:

The first game can be explained with the simple fact that Tennesee overall didn't perform well. VY didn't have a good game, Travis Henry definately didn't have a good game, and that defense gave up over 6 yards per play and almost 40 points. Nobody is going to win a game with a team performing like that.

The second game can be explained by the fact that the Titans defense couldn't ever get off the field and never could give VY and the offense the ball. The Jags had the ball for 44:22 out of 60:00. You can't expect a team's offense to be able to get in rhythm with only 15:38 worth of ball time. The Titans were lucky that day that they were playing David Garrard and he turned the ball over 4 times that day and were able to take 3 of those back for scores. That pretty much never, ever happens in a game like that.

You claim Pac-Man is going to be a huge loss for their 'D' when it comes to INT's, but he only had 4 all of last season. Thats not alot in comparison to other so-called 'elite' DB's. I'm definately not saying Pac-Man isn't good and his absence won't be felt, but he isn't the be-all, end-all of that team and still had some growth to do as an NFL DB.

The Indianapolis game, it took a 60 yard MIRACLE field goal to win. The Buffalo game, with 40 seconds left on the 27 yard line, Dick Jauron decided to go for it on 4th and 5 instead of kicking the game winning field goal, and ended up having JP Losman's pass intercepted allowing Tennessee to win 30-29.

Trip McNeely

08-11-2007, 08:39 PM

49ers SUCK!!!

5.0 svo

08-12-2007, 04:33 AM

Pac-Man didn't even lead his team in passes-defended last season. Plenty of teams threw on him, including the Cowboys. I believe T.O. had a 46 yard catch against him last season. He's good, but he had a way to go too.

Returns are the least of Tennesee's concerns. More than likely, either Cortland Finnegan or Chris Davis will do their returns and guys on the Titans have said Finnegan is as fast, if not faster, than Pac-Man.
I agree 100%

08-12-2007, 10:33 AM

S/CB, their both DB's.

I see you had no comment what so ever for the things I rattled off. I also find it funny you dog the Chiefs, yet Denver has been looking at making a trade with the Chiefs for another safety. So if the Chiefs suck and Denver is looking at trading for their players, what exactly does that make Denver, LOL!?

Denver has some good players and has potential, but they are not anywhere near the dominant team you act like they have been the past few years and have some SERIOUS question-marks at some key positions.

For what you "rattled off"...maybe Brady had so many passing yards against Denver in the last three starts because Denver jumped out to early leads and he had no way of catching the score except by passing? That would make sense would it not?

Denver was trying to get Greg Wesley to back up Nick Ferguson and John Lynch, but the Chefs wanted Dominique Foxworth who, since Sam Brandon will not be with us this year, is going to be our Nickel CB. Too big of a pricetag for a backup safety IMO. And for the record, a team can be shitty and have good players. Look at the Cleveland Browns. I can't think of a team in the league that wouldn't love to have Kellen Winslow on their team. That doesn't make the team trying to acquire him shittier than the browns just because they're trying to get him from a shitty time. Savvy?

Since you seem to be the Denver Broncos expert...what is their "key positions" with question marks? The only one I see is SAM. I don't see ANY question marks anywhere else.

SVTVenom

08-12-2007, 11:16 PM

I hate brett favre but don't even compare vy to him.

Where did I do that? :confused:

I simply replied with the fact that Brett Favre has pretty much had a 1:1 TD/INT ratio over the past 3 years combined and that is horrible for a veteran QB.

The Indianapolis game, it took a 60 yard MIRACLE field goal to win.

Yeah, that VY helped set up after they were on their own 25 yard line with 2:32 left to go in the game.

The Buffalo game, with 40 seconds left on the 27 yard line, Dick Jauron decided to go for it on 4th and 5 instead of kicking the game winning field goal, and ended up having JP Losman's pass intercepted allowing Tennessee to win 30-29.

They were actually at the 28 yard line and Rian Lindell was going to have to kick a 45 yard FG into a 20 mph headwind. He's good, but there is no way that kick would have even made the endzone with that type of wind.

BTW, VY had all 3 TD's the Titans scored that game and 0 turnovers.

For what you "rattled off"...maybe Brady had so many passing yards against Denver in the last three starts because Denver jumped out to early leads and he had no way of catching the score except by passing? That would make sense would it not?

Just because a team jumps out early on you doesn't mean you have to abandon your running game. They had nobody worthwhile in two of those games and the other Maroney just got shut down, period.

Denver was trying to get Greg Wesley to back up Nick Ferguson and John Lynch, but the Chefs wanted Dominique Foxworth who, since Sam Brandon will not be with us this year, is going to be our Nickel CB. Too big of a pricetag for a backup safety IMO. And for the record, a team can be shitty and have good players. Look at the Cleveland Browns. I can't think of a team in the league that wouldn't love to have Kellen Winslow on their team. That doesn't make the team trying to acquire him shittier than the browns just because they're trying to get him from a shitty time. Savvy?

You mean the same Kellen Winslow Jr. who's had to have 2 knee surgeries already and has a big mouth/bad attitude? :rolleyes: He posted big yardage #'s last season because they had nobody else to throw to other than Braylon Edwards. There are plenty of teams that would pass on that injury risk/poor character type of guy.

Since you seem to be the Denver Broncos expert...what is their "key positions" with question marks? The only one I see is SAM. I don't see ANY question marks anywhere else.

Well, with your boy Cutler coming down with a case of tendinitis in his throwing arm so I'd say thats a question mark at a key position. That could end up lasting all season long.

Dre' Bly may or may not pan out as again he's been reported to be being beaten in practice by 3rd string guys.

Two other guys, Holdman and Moss, just went down with injuries which reduces their depth with some guys that could have made an impact this season.

They've got plenty of questions in a division that is OWNED by the Chargers.

08-13-2007, 02:27 PM

Well, with your boy Cutler coming down with a case of tendinitis in his throwing arm so I'd say thats a question mark at a key position. That could end up lasting all season long.

Dre' Bly may or may not pan out as again he's been reported to be being beaten in practice by 3rd string guys.

Two other guys, Holdman and Moss, just went down with injuries which reduces their depth with some guys that could have made an impact this season.

They've got plenty of questions in a division that is OWNED by the Chargers.

Nice to see you keep up on current events...Holdman wasn't going to be the starter anyway...that job will belong to D.D. Lewis or Nate Webster. Jarvis Moss twisted his knee and has already been practicing and expects to play some tonight. Cutler's tendonitis is gone. He wore a wrist brace for a year and has said as recently as last Friday that he doesn't feel any more pain, just wore the brace last week as a precaution. Bly had ONE bad day in practice. I'm sure if he wasn't going to "pan out" that the coaching staff would quit praising him as much as they do.

I'm fine with you and your bullshit about other teams, but I have a problem when YOU think you know more about MY team than I do. Obviously you don't. Just shut your fucking mouth already before the hole you're digging for yourself in this thread ends up popping through next to the Great Wall of China.

Geor!

08-13-2007, 02:41 PM

Nice to see you keep up on current events...Holdman wasn't going to be the starter anyway...that job will belong to D.D. Lewis or Nate Webster. Jarvis Moss twisted his knee and has already been practicing and expects to play some tonight. Cutler's tendonitis is gone. He wore a wrist brace for a year and has said as recently as last Friday that he doesn't feel any more pain, just wore the brace last week as a precaution. Bly had ONE bad day in practice. I'm sure if he wasn't going to "pan out" that the coaching staff would quit praising him as much as they do.

I'm fine with you and your bullshit about other teams, but I have a problem when YOU think you know more about MY team than I do. Obviously you don't. Just shut your fucking mouth already before the hole you're digging for yourself in this thread ends up popping through next to the Great Wall of China.
You just wasted about 5 minutes typing that up that could have been spent taking a dump or something. It's no use.

Hollywood

08-13-2007, 04:34 PM

You just wasted about 5 minutes typing that up that could have been spent taking a dump or something. It's no use.

Yep, its like arguing with a brick wall, only the brick wall is useful and practical. It probably even understands more.

08-13-2007, 09:17 PM

You just wasted about 5 minutes typing that up that could have been spent taking a dump or something. It's no use.

No worries Geof. I pinched off a nice Cleveland Steamer with his name all over it while typing that.

And that only took me maybe two minutes to type...not five. :D

SVTVenom

08-17-2007, 03:05 AM

Nice to see you keep up on current events...Holdman wasn't going to be the starter anyway...that job will belong to D.D. Lewis or Nate Webster. Jarvis Moss twisted his knee and has already been practicing and expects to play some tonight. Cutler's tendonitis is gone. He wore a wrist brace for a year and has said as recently as last Friday that he doesn't feel any more pain, just wore the brace last week as a precaution. Bly had ONE bad day in practice. I'm sure if he wasn't going to "pan out" that the coaching staff would quit praising him as much as they do.

I'm fine with you and your bullshit about other teams, but I have a problem when YOU think you know more about MY team than I do. Obviously you don't. Just shut your fucking mouth already before the hole you're digging for yourself in this thread ends up popping through next to the Great Wall of China.

Yet your supposed "Super-Bowl Contender" of a team stuggled against a shitty ass 49'ers team just the other day. I guess you can take solice in the fact that it was "just pre-season" for now. In about 3 weeks, that won't be the case.

Hollywood

08-17-2007, 09:53 AM

Yet your supposed "Super-Bowl Contender" of a team stuggled against a shitty ass 49'ers team just the other day. I guess you can take solice in the fact that it was "just pre-season" for now. In about 3 weeks, that won't be the case.

Too bad the 49ers are not a shitty ass team, but you'll find otu soon enough. You want to go ahead and throw out excuses for the Titans? Or wait, you'll just be a cowboys/VY fan this year?

Big Studly

08-17-2007, 10:53 AM

who would win, a team of all Vince Young's vs. a team of all Mike Ditka's?

Cartman

08-17-2007, 07:28 PM

Yet your supposed "Super-Bowl Contender" of a team stuggled against a shitty ass 49'ers team just the other day. I guess you can take solice in the fact that it was "just pre-season" for now. In about 3 weeks, that won't be the case.
it is preseason look no further than the colts last year, I think only won 1 preseason game, and won the title.

5.0 svo

08-18-2007, 01:31 AM

Vince Young (TEN-QB) 8/17 7:34p
News: Young had a rough time in Friday's preseason game at New England. He completed 5-of-17 passes for 102 yards. Young rushed four times for nine yards, lost a fumble and was sacked four times.
Impact: He said earlier in the week that he was seeking revenge for last year's elimination at the hands of the Patriots. Perhaps Young was too fired up or perhaps he had a bad night. Regardless, this was an ugly performance. He's still firmly entrenched as Tennessee's starter.

SVTVenom

08-21-2007, 12:12 AM

Too bad the 49ers are not a shitty ass team, but you'll find otu soon enough. You want to go ahead and throw out excuses for the Titans? Or wait, you'll just be a cowboys/VY fan this year?

They are shitty and they again struggled with another team, this time the fucking Raiders.

I'm not going to throw out excuses for anything. The Titans 1st team offense played like shit against the Patriots. They went into that game with a basic gameplan and the Patriots treated it like a regular season game. Jeff Fisher took the blame for it and it was his fault for not expecting more out of the opposition, especially considering how much talking Keith Bulluck was doing before the game.

it is preseason look no further than the colts last year, I think only won 1 preseason game, and won the title.

Its a bit different when you have guys like Peyton Manning, Marvin Harrison, and Reggie Wayne playing for you. You don't need to know what those guys can/can't do because they produce every year. Teams like the Broncos and 49'ers are still at the stage to where they are evaluating players at key positions and have to play those 2 quarters like they were regular season games.

I don't put a whole lot of stock into preseason, but it isn't totally meaningless either.

Hollywood

08-21-2007, 09:46 AM

They are shitty and they again struggled with another team, this time the fucking Raiders.

I'm not going to throw out excuses for anything. The Titans 1st team offense played like shit against the Patriots. They went into that game with a basic gameplan and the Patriots treated it like a regular season game. Jeff Fisher took the blame for it and it was his fault for not expecting more out of the opposition, especially considering how much talking Keith Bulluck was doing before the game.

Its a bit different when you have guys like Peyton Manning, Marvin Harrison, and Reggie Wayne playing for you. You don't need to know what those guys can/can't do because they produce every year. Teams like the Broncos and 49'ers are still at the stage to where they are evaluating players at key positions and have to play those 2 quarters like they were regular season games.

I don't put a whole lot of stock into preseason, but it isn't totally meaningless either.

Struggled? lmao. The defensive line: not one starter played a single minute in that game. CB? 1 starter out. Defensively, 5 starters did not play at all. Worried? Not at all, lol. The first string offensive, even without Gore, the NFC's leading rusher,looked damn good for the second game in a row and moved the ball at will. Alex Smith has looked confident and composed. You can sugar coat it all you want, but I know you are a bit concerned that you'll be eating plenty of crow by the end of the season.

And there you go picking and choosing the variables of an arguement. "Oh, preseason means something....oh thats different, it doesn't mean anything for them." Preseason doesn't mean shit. The Preseason record means jack shit. The only reason you are making a big deal out of it is because one of your teams has a good preseason record. If the cowboys were 0-2, you'd be going on and on about how preseason means nothing. And you'd be right. But you're not, because you're the worlds biggest homer.

SVTVenom

08-25-2007, 01:25 PM

Struggled? lmao. The defensive line: not one starter played a single minute in that game. CB? 1 starter out. Defensively, 5 starters did not play at all. Worried? Not at all, lol. The first string offensive, even without Gore, the NFC's leading rusher,looked damn good for the second game in a row and moved the ball at will. Alex Smith has looked confident and composed. You can sugar coat it all you want, but I know you are a bit concerned that you'll be eating plenty of crow by the end of the season.

I believe everyone looked good, confident, and composed against the Raiders last year. Once the season hits and your boys flop again, you'll either just not post up at all or make excuses. I'm going to enjoy it quite a bit.

And there you go picking and choosing the variables of an arguement. "Oh, preseason means something....oh thats different, it doesn't mean anything for them." Preseason doesn't mean shit. The Preseason record means jack shit. The only reason you are making a big deal out of it is because one of your teams has a good preseason record. If the cowboys were 0-2, you'd be going on and on about how preseason means nothing. And you'd be right. But you're not, because you're the worlds biggest homer.

If you think the preseason holds the same meaning for every team, you are dumber than I ever thought you were before. Teams use the preseason in different ways and for some it doesn't mean shit. For bad teams, it is a chance to evaluate talent to try and bolster their team. For good teams, it is a chance to get the rust off for a few plays and evaluate guys as backups/practice squad guys.

Again, the preseason may not be an exact barometer on what will happen in the regular season, but it isn't totally useless either.