It may be early...but i'm going to go ahead and pre-heat the oven for SVTvenom

[Hollywood]

Consider this an appetizer if the numbers stay constant. The main course will be served at the duration of the NFL season.

I do believe Venom, you said the Rangers were stupid for not resigning Matthews? That Lofton was old and fragile? Well, we are nearly at the mid point of the season and I just can't help but laugh out loud. Now, I agree, the Rangers have made numerous decisions that were both confusing and dumb. However, I and several others stand by the notion that paying 50 million for an aging 1 year wonder would have been a stupid move. And that Kenny Lofton at the old age of 38, is still faster than most younger guys and can still get it done for much cheaper. His BA is lower than years on past, but when compared to Matthews numbers, lol, well, he's a real bargain.

The Tale of the Tape

Salary
Matthews 50 million
Lofton's 6 million

Batting Average
Matthews .277
Lofton .277

Runs
Matthews 46
Lofton 44



RBI's
Matthews 42
Lofton 15
*Now before you celebrate this lumpsided stat, allow me to explain the game of baseball to you. Lofton, bats in the "leadoff" position. Therefore, the bases are empty. RBI stands for "runs batted in". Since he is the first batter, there is no one on base to start the game. While later in the game, the bottom of the order, the weakest part mind you, typically can't get on base. So, the bases are typically empty. Matthews on the other hand has been batting in the clean up position for the Angels, therefore people like Lofton are already on base for him to drive in. Make sense?

Strikeouts

Matthews 54 (ouch)
Lofton 20

Stolen Bases
Matthews 11
Lofton 16

On Base Percentage
Matthews .334
Lofton .362

Hits
Matthews 76
Lofton 61

Walks
Matthews 24
Lofton 29

HR
Matthews 10
Lofton 4


We've looked at the batting stats....lets look at the fielding stats.

Errors

Matthews 3
Lofton 2

Assists
Matthews 3
Lofton 4

Double Plays
Matthews 1
Lofton 3

Fielding percentage
Matthews .984
Lofton .986

[ZYouL8R]

Do you really think numbers and factual evidence are enough to prove Venom wrong? Ha!

[Paladin]

I am sure someone will se those numbers and the word "intagibles" will come up to justify Matthews Jr.

[Hollywood]

Do you really think numbers and factual evidence are enough to prove Venom wrong? Ha!


lol, so true. The thing is, no matter what BS he pulls out of his hat, deep down inside he knows he's been made a fool of yet again.

[Casper]

Those numbers are probably lopsided because the Rangers have such a great pitching game.

[Big Studly]

lol, so true. The thing is, no matter what BS he pulls out of his hat, deep down inside he knows he's been made a fool of yet again.

dude, he is a Texas fan...which means you must put on blinders for any and all teams you root for and completely disregard anything said, proven or otherwise, that doesn't propegate the self imposed "fact" that said teams are infact the best at their respective sport. Another stipulation of being a Texas fan is that anything you say about any team or member of a team not in your realm of "fandom" is positively true, regardless of facts, statistics, popular consensus or otherwise.

That being said, Matthews is on the best team in baseball and a $50millon paycheck....so he has the last laugh. Still a good move for the Rangers...they could be in last place with or without Matthews.

[bert89coupe]

we're not even half way through the season, let's at least wait towards the END of the season. I'm not saying Gary will have better numbers, i'm just saying the Rangers as a whole tend to divebomb after the allstar break.

[Grant]

such an ass-whipping..

[Grant]

we're not even half way through the season, let's at least wait towards the END of the season. I'm not saying Gary will have better numbers, i'm just saying the Rangers as a whole tend to divebomb after the allstar break.

Not much 'dive bombing' you can do from the basement..

[DbonezNY]

HAHAHAHAHAHAH...great fk'n post man....however their's way more saber metric stats you could throw in there to show that GMJr was signed because of a miracle season and 1 miracle catch.

P.S. I shed a tear when you shed some light on RBI's being an inferior way of judging a player individual talent.

[Trip McNeely]

:CRICKETS:

SVTVenom doesnt know jack shit.

[Hollywood]

we're not even half way through the season, let's at least wait towards the END of the season. I'm not saying Gary will have better numbers, i'm just saying the Rangers as a whole tend to divebomb after the allstar break.

I fully expect for the bulk of GMJ's stats to be somewhat better. But the key point is 50 million vs 6 millino. Barely better than Lofton will prove my point that the Rangers made the right move...a very rare occurance. Which is why I went ahead an pointed it out.

[bucky]

He hasn't been heard from much lately.I am sure he will reappear as we get closer to football season.

[That_Is_My_El_Camino]

Lofton has a 1-year deal for $6 million; Matthews, Jr., is making $6.4 million this year, and an average ~$11 million per year over the next 4 years.

I'd take Matthews, Jr., over Lofton any day, though.

[Who Needs 8]

I kind of think you're setting yourself up for a Venom Moral Victory here. If the Angels win the WS this year . . . it won't matter what GMJ's numbers are at the end of the year, he's going to recall this thread to beat you down like no other.

And heaven forbid GMJ has a Game 7 Pennant Winning Homer . . . you might as well delete your account.

[TRAXX]

dude, he is SVTVenom...which means you must put on blinders for any and all teams you root for and completely disregard anything said, proven or otherwise, that doesn't propegate the self imposed "fact" that said teams are infact the best at their respective sport. Another stipulation of being a Texas fan is that anything you say about any team or member of a team not in your realm of "fandom" is positively true, regardless of facts, statistics, popular consensus or otherwise.


Fixed. dont make a blanket statement that all Texas fans are just like SVTVenom.

[SVTVenom]

Blah blah blah blah

Riddle me this Jr., why is it then that Kenny Lofton is getting offered up for trade bait while GMJ is part of a centerpiece for an Angels team that is looking like a WS contender each and every day? If he's so good, why trade him?

Lofton is a drifter player looking for a paycheck. He's not what the Rangers needed and thats why he's getting shopped. Daniels is finally realizing his moves didn't work and is now going to have to essentially blow the team up and start over.

Had he kept GMJ, he could have signed him for less and had a long-term player to build around. Sorry to burst your bubble, but 33 is significantly younger than 40.

Not only will GMJ have better #'s at the end of the year, but his team will be playing in the post-season while Lofton may or may not be on the Rangers and may or may not have a job.

Its the thinking of your ilk that have the Rangers where they are: DEAD LAST IN THE MLB.

:CRICKETS:

SVTVenom doesnt know jack shit.

He hasn't been heard from much lately.I am sure he will reappear as we get closer to football season.

Heaven forbid I actually take a week's vacation from work and not have to babysit you retards during my free time. :rolleyes:

Lofton has a 1-year deal for $6 million; Matthews, Jr., is making $6.4 million this year, and an average ~$11 million per year over the next 4 years.

I'd take Matthews, Jr., over Lofton any day, though.

I love how he skews the salaries, but forgets the fact that GMJ has out performed him all year long and his team is in 1st place while Lofton's is in last. Geee, I bet the Angels are really upset about that. :rolleyes:

I kind of think you're setting yourself up for a Venom Moral Victory here. If the Angels win the WS this year . . . it won't matter what GMJ's numbers are at the end of the year, he's going to recall this thread to beat you down like no other.

And heaven forbid GMJ has a Game 7 Pennant Winning Homer . . . you might as well delete your account.

Maston, let him keep digging his own grave. Not only has he done it with this but he's also done it with his 49'ers and how they are just going to supposedly kill everyone this season since they spent $80 million on a DB.

[DbonezNY]

What does the standings of either team have to do with what wach player is doing individually?????????

The angels are NOT IN FIRST because of GMJ

[SouthernSVT]

I don't care much about baseball, and could care less which of the two are better. But the 49ers are going to win the NFC West. Just sayin.

[SVTVenom]

What does the standings of either team have to do with what wach player is doing individually?????????

The angels are NOT IN FIRST because of GMJ

Seeing as how he is 12% of their total offense, I'd say he's got a pretty big part to do with them being where they are. Only Cabrera has a bigger percentage of their scoring and he's at 13%

[Big Studly]

Fixed. dont make a blanket statement that all Texas fans are just like SVTVenom.

fair enough if you don't want to associate youself with my steriotype, but, my experience isn't just limited to him! :)

[Casper]

I dunno, Lofton did pretty damn well last night in spite of that fucker tejeda. Send that monkey looking bitch back to cuba and get a pitcher without a gag reflex.

[Hollywood]

Riddle me this Jr., why is it then that Kenny Lofton is getting offered up for trade bait while GMJ is part of a centerpiece for an Angels team that is looking like a WS contender each and every day? If he's so good, why trade him?

Lofton is a drifter player looking for a paycheck. He's not what the Rangers needed and thats why he's getting shopped. Daniels is finally realizing his moves didn't work and is now going to have to essentially blow the team up and start over.

Had he kept GMJ, he could have signed him for less and had a long-term player to build around. Sorry to burst your bubble, but 33 is significantly younger than 40.

Not only will GMJ have better #'s at the end of the year, but his team will be playing in the post-season while Lofton may or may not be on the Rangers and may or may not have a job.

Its the thinking of your ilk that have the Rangers where they are: DEAD LAST IN THE MLB.





Heaven forbid I actually take a week's vacation from work and not have to babysit you retards during my free time. :rolleyes:



I love how he skews the salaries, but forgets the fact that GMJ has out performed him all year long and his team is in 1st place while Lofton's is in last. Geee, I bet the Angels are really upset about that. :rolleyes:



Maston, let him keep digging his own grave. Not only has he done it with this but he's also done it with his 49'ers and how they are just going to supposedly kill everyone this season since they spent $80 million on a DB.


LMFAO!!!! Oh man, I didn't think you had it in you, but you did manage to do it again. I'm sorry, but what #'s are you looking at? Lofton is out playing GMJ for LESS much LESS than GMJ is being paid. And if you think the Rangers could have had him for less than 50 million, you are sadly mistaken. Lofton is getting shopped much like Texieria is being shopped. Because the Rangers are a shitty team and need prospects so they can rebuild. Dumbass. Alex Rodriguez was used as trade bait once. I guess he sucks based on your logic.

[Big Studly]

Riddle me this Jr., why is it then that Kenny Lofton is getting offered up for trade bait while GMJ is part of a centerpiece for an Angels team that is looking like a WS contender each and every day? If he's so good, why trade him?

Lofton is a drifter player looking for a paycheck. He's not what the Rangers needed and thats why he's getting shopped. Daniels is finally realizing his moves didn't work and is now going to have to essentially blow the team up and start over.

Had he kept GMJ, he could have signed him for less and had a long-term player to build around. Sorry to burst your bubble, but 33 is significantly younger than 40.

Not only will GMJ have better #'s at the end of the year, but his team will be playing in the post-season while Lofton may or may not be on the Rangers and may or may not have a job.

Its the thinking of your ilk that have the Rangers where they are: DEAD LAST IN THE MLB.

Lofton is being shopped because everyone on the Rangers is trade bait these days. If he Rangers had overpaid for GMJ, they would never be able to unload him with the numbers he has. Lofton is much easier to deal with a small salary. At this point in the season, who wants to take on that large contract when you can find a guy with those numbers just about anywhere? GMJ is average at best, yes he is younger, but for the time being, he still can't outperform a 40 year old.

[SVTVenom]

Lofton is being shopped because everyone on the Rangers is trade bait these days. If he Rangers had overpaid for GMJ, they would never be able to unload him with the numbers he has. Lofton is much easier to deal with a small salary. At this point in the season, who wants to take on that large contract when you can find a guy with those numbers just about anywhere? GMJ is average at best, yes he is younger, but for the time being, he still can't outperform a 40 year old.

They basically make the same amount of money this year. The only difference is the fact that GMJ is younger and therefore got a longer deal. The Rangers are offering him up because he hasn't done what they wanted him to do this year and he has no future with the team. GMJ had a future with the team and could have given them something to build around at least for the next few years. Now they are having to blow it up because they signed a bunch of has-beens.

[Big Studly]

They basically make the same amount of money this year. The only difference is the fact that GMJ is younger and therefore got a longer deal. The Rangers are offering him up because he hasn't done what they wanted him to do this year and he has no future with the team. GMJ had a future with the team and could have given them something to build around at least for the next few years. Now they are having to blow it up because they signed a bunch of has-beens.

yea, I can see how $50 mil over 5 years is the same as making $6 mil for one because I suck at math. The only difference is that GMJ will be average at best for $10 mil a year while the Rangers can only pay $6 for a different average outfielder. GMJ's are a dime a dozen.

[SVTVenom]

yea, I can see how $50 mil over 5 years is the same as making $6 mil for one because I suck at math. The only difference is that GMJ will be average at best for $10 mil a year while the Rangers can only pay $6 for a different average outfielder. GMJ's are a dime a dozen.

My whole basis of my argument is that GMJ was a player the Rangers should have held on to because of his playing abilites and the fact that they needed players who would be around for longer than 1 year. Lofton was a waste of time and money to the Rangers because they are now going to blow the team up. Had they signed GMJ and not dicked around, they probably wouldn't be in the spot they are in now.

[Big Studly]

My whole basis of my argument is that GMJ was a player the Rangers should have held on to because of his playing abilites and the fact that they needed players who would be around for longer than 1 year. Lofton was a waste of time and money to the Rangers because they are now going to blow the team up. Had they signed GMJ and not dicked around, they probably wouldn't be in the spot they are in now.

so GMJ would have kept the Rangers out of the cellar? Don't think so. I promise you they can find a GMJ on any street corner, spending $50 on a guy that had one year is assinine. Why would they want to hold on to him and pay that money when the can get someone else to put up the same kind of numbers for much less? They will have someone new next year that will fill the role just fine.

[DbonezNY]

Seeing as how he is 12% of their total offense, I'd say he's got a pretty big part to do with them being where they are. Only Cabrera has a bigger percentage of their scoring and he's at 13%

GMJ winshares = 9
KL winshares = 6....

so with that he's worth 3 games more than lofton at...........................90% the cost.

take away the angels offense and pitching GMJ is NOT WORTH THE FK'N MONEY...how hard is that for you to understand???

[DbonezNY]

My whole basis of my argument is that GMJ was a player the Rangers should have held on to because of his playing abilites and the fact that they needed players who would be around for longer than 1 year. Lofton was a waste of time and money to the Rangers because they are now going to blow the team up. Had they signed GMJ and not dicked around, they probably wouldn't be in the spot they are in now.

are you really that...i dunno...air headed???

GMJ is NOT, I repeat NOT a franchise player, he's mediocre at best and thats the money he wanted and thats what the angels paid for...and the angels weren't the only team to over pay for mediocre talent.

The whole basis of your arguement holds NO water at all. There was NO reason at all to show the rangers that GMJ was someone to spend a ridiculous amount of money on know they needed other players and pitching...just wasn't worth it.

[SVTVenom]

so GMJ would have kept the Rangers out of the cellar? Don't think so. I promise you they can find a GMJ on any street corner, spending $50 on a guy that had one year is assinine. Why would they want to hold on to him and pay that money when the can get someone else to put up the same kind of numbers for much less? They will have someone new next year that will fill the role just fine.

I won't contend that GMJ would solely make the Rangers a winning organization, but he would have them closer to being that than where they are now and playing rent-a-player and now having to blow up the team.

Poke fun all you want, but GMJ is on pace to beat out his excellent #'s last year, beat out Lofton for the season, and be in the playoffs. I also believe my prediction of the Angels being the best AL West team this year and kicking the crap out of the Rangers each time they played is looking pretty good right now.

[Big Studly]

I won't contend that GMJ would solely make the Rangers a winning organization, but he would have them closer to being that than where they are now and playing rent-a-player and now having to blow up the team.

Poke fun all you want, but GMJ is on pace to beat out his excellent #'s last year, beat out Lofton for the season, and be in the playoffs. I also believe my prediction of the Angels being the best AL West team this year and kicking the crap out of the Rangers each time they played is looking pretty good right now.

way to go out on a limb picking the Angels! :rolleyes: A 20 HR 85 RBI outfielder is average at best. Give me a break, every team in baseball has a "GMJ".

[Hollywood]

I won't contend that GMJ would solely make the Rangers a winning organization, but he would have them closer to being that than where they are now and playing rent-a-player and now having to blow up the team.

Poke fun all you want, but GMJ is on pace to beat out his excellent #'s last year, beat out Lofton for the season, and be in the playoffs. I also believe my prediction of the Angels being the best AL West team this year and kicking the crap out of the Rangers each time they played is looking pretty good right now.


Again what numbers are you looking at? In fact, since I made this thread, Lofton has surpassed GMJ in BA and owns him in nearly every defensive category along with most of the offensive categories. Leading the rangers in Runs scored. What the fuck fantasy website are you looking at?

[SVTVenom]

Again what numbers are you looking at? In fact, since I made this thread, Lofton has surpassed GMJ in BA and owns him in nearly every defensive category along with most of the offensive categories. Leading the rangers in Runs scored. What the fuck fantasy website are you looking at?

Well, I guess I can use the old Hollywood "Its only _____ part of the season. Wait until _______ and then we'll look at it" excuse.

Wow, he's leading the Rangers in runs scored. Yep, that is a major accomplishment right there. :rolleyes:

way to go out on a limb picking the Angels! :rolleyes: A 20 HR 85 RBI outfielder is average at best. Give me a break, every team in baseball has a "GMJ".

Seeing as how I picked them right after they signed GMJ, which was wayyy before this season started, I'd say thats pretty damn good. I'd also say its pretty damn good that I picked them to whip the Rangers this year despite all the hope swirling about the Rangers before this season started.

Sure there are guys who can post up those #'s with regularity, but there is a problem.........they are on teams other than the Rangers.

[Hollywood]

Well, I guess I can use the old Hollywood "Its only _____ part of the season. Wait until _______ and then we'll look at it" excuse.

Wow, he's leading the Rangers in runs scored. Yep, that is a major accomplishment right there. :rolleyes:



Seeing as how I picked them right after they signed GMJ, which was wayyy before this season started, I'd say thats pretty damn good. I'd also say its pretty damn good that I picked them to whip the Rangers this year despite all the hope swirling about the Rangers before this season started.

Sure there are guys who can post up those #'s with regularity, but there is a problem.........they are on teams other than the Rangers.


Yea, you really called that one. Whens the last time the Angels haven't whipped the Rangers? The Angels would be winning the AL west without GMJ. If you looked at history, you'd see that they have done in recent seasons past without GMJ. Fucking tool. :rolleyes:

[Big Studly]

Yea, you really called that one. Whens the last time the Angels haven't whipped the Rangers? GMJ would be winning the AL west without GMJ. If you looked at history, you'd see that they have done in recent seasons past without GMJ. Fucking tool. :rolleyes:

That was my point...the Angels were clearly the best team in the West going into the season. GMJ has nothing to do with it. In fact, by the numbers, you could plug Lofton in and have the same results...and still have 44 million in the bank. This Oh So Great Year of GMJ that you refer to that he is on pace to do better than was nothing more that a VERY average year for an outfielder. For 50 Mil, he better do better than that for the next 5 years. The GMJ signing was a joke at the time, and is even more evident now. The only reason it isn't being ridiculed is because he is hiding on the best team in baseball. If the Rangers had made that move, everyone would be talking about how the Rangers wated $50 mil when they could have signed a pitcher...whither that is true or not, I guarantee that is what people would be saying.

[Kaji]

Mathews blows ass. He got lucky one year and some moron decided to pay him a ton of money. Happens all the time in MLB. He's definatley not a player to build a team on. You wanna be good, you better build around pitching.

That's the problem with baseball, you can have a miracle season and get payed big bucks, then suck the rest of your career and still make the money because of one great year.

[SVTVenom]

Yea, you really called that one. Whens the last time the Angels haven't whipped the Rangers? The Angels would be winning the AL west without GMJ. If you looked at history, you'd see that they have done in recent seasons past without GMJ. Fucking tool. :rolleyes:

I'm not going to take the time to go dig for the head-to-head records of the Rangers vs. the Angels as of the past few years, but the AL West as a whole has been pretty bad as of recent so its not like anyone was dominating. Hell, even with the Rangers being so bad last year, they still had a shot at winning the AL West towards the end of the season.

The Angels might still be winning the AL West w/o GMJ, but I guarantee you they wouldn't be as far ahead. That could be said for any team and taking away a quality player though.

Again, the Rangers gained nothing by signing Lofton and lost even more by not re-siging GMJ. After this season, the Rangers now have to go find yet another spare to put in the out-field instead of having a quality player locked up for the next 5 years and being able to focus on other areas of need.

Mathews blows ass. He got lucky one year and some moron decided to pay him a ton of money. Happens all the time in MLB. He's definatley not a player to build a team on. You wanna be good, you better build around pitching.

That's the problem with baseball, you can have a miracle season and get payed big bucks, then suck the rest of your career and still make the money because of one great year.

Getting paid after an excellent contract year happens in every sport, not just baseball. It just so happens that baseball has the highest payrolls of any major North American sports leagues.

I agree pitching is definately the key to winning, but you still have to score runs no matter how good your pitching is. The Rangers have lost their batting production now and still have the same shitty pitching as always.

I at least respect your opinion Brandon because I know you played both in HS and in college unlike Hollywood who played tee-ball in the backyard and has a player strategy that has the Rangers solidly in last place in the entire MLB.

[Hollywood]

I'm not going to take the time to go dig for the head-to-head records of the Rangers vs. the Angels as of the past few years, but the AL West as a whole has been pretty bad as of recent so its not like anyone was dominating. Hell, even with the Rangers being so bad last year, they still had a shot at winning the AL West towards the end of the season.

The Angels might still be winning the AL West w/o GMJ, but I guarantee you they wouldn't be as far ahead. That could be said for any team and taking away a quality player though.

Again, the Rangers gained nothing by signing Lofton and lost even more by not re-siging GMJ. After this season, the Rangers now have to go find yet another spare to put in the out-field instead of having a quality player locked up for the next 5 years and being able to focus on other areas of need.



Getting paid after an excellent contract year happens in every sport, not just baseball. It just so happens that baseball has the highest payrolls of any major North American sports leagues.

I agree pitching is definately the key to winning, but you still have to score runs no matter how good your pitching is. The Rangers have lost their batting production now and still have the same shitty pitching as always.

I at least respect your opinion Brandon because I know you played both in HS and in college unlike Hollywood who played tee-ball in the backyard and has a player strategy that has the Rangers solidly in last place in the entire MLB.

A guy who has never stepped on the field in any sport is talking shit? I played highschool football, basketball, BASEBALL and ran track asshole. all this before you were getting picked on for being a cheerleader. Let me remind your dumbass that the Angels made it to the ALCS in 05 and won their division with 95 wins and won 89 games last year, despite having most of their star players hurt most of the year. You can't help but put your foot in your mouth can you? How can someone be so wrong so often on such a consistent basis? Your stupidity astounds me.

[Big Studly]

The Angels might still be winning the AL West w/o GMJ, but I guarantee you they wouldn't be as far ahead. That could be said for any team and taking away a quality player though.

The Rangers are actually winning without Blalock and Teixeira so I can see your point. :rolleyes:

[SVTVenom]

A guy who has never stepped on the field in any sport is talking shit? I played highschool football, basketball, BASEBALL and ran track asshole. all this before you were getting picked on for being a cheerleader. Let me remind your dumbass that the Angels made it to the ALCS in 05 and won their division with 95 wins and won 89 games last year, despite having most of their star players hurt most of the year. You can't help but put your foot in your mouth can you? How can someone be so wrong so often on such a consistent basis? Your stupidity astounds me.

Son, how do you know what sports I did or did not play in HS? That doesn't even matter anyway no matter who it is on here because it bears no relevance. Unless someone on here has pro experience, which I know of nobody on here that does, were all on the same level when it comes to talking about sports.

The Angels were an excellent team in 2005, but far from it in 2006. Claiming 89 wins while playing in the AL West last year as an accomplishment is laughable.

The Rangers are actually winning without Blalock and Teixeira so I can see your point. :rolleyes:

Yep, because we all know Blalock was just blowing it up before he went out, right? :rolleyes:

I don't consider having a 37-50 record and still being 16 games out of 1st place "winning." Have they won a few games as of late? Yes, but they still haven't been able to put a streak together that lasted longer than a couple of games.

[DbonezNY]

If anyone is interested in a stat that's worth a damn, look into winshares.

And in all fairness,

GMJ = 10 WS
LFT = 8 WS

So ..... is the 2 win share difference worth 40+ million dollars......in SVT's mind..YUP...in the world we call reality..........no.

[Hollywood]

Son, how do you know what sports I did or did not play in HS? That doesn't even matter anyway no matter who it is on here because it bears no relevance. Unless someone on here has pro experience, which I know of nobody on here that does, were all on the same level when it comes to talking about sports.

The Angels were an excellent team in 2005, but far from it in 2006. Claiming 89 wins while playing in the AL West last year as an accomplishment is laughable.



Yep, because we all know Blalock was just blowing it up before he went out, right? :rolleyes:

I don't consider having a 37-50 record and still being 16 games out of 1st place "winning." Have they won a few games as of late? Yes, but they still haven't been able to put a streak together that lasted longer than a couple of games.
It doesn't matter? I simply brought it up because you said you respected Brandon's opinion because he's played HS ball. So I was letting you know i've played as well. Are you that fucking short sighted? That you can make a comment and when it's replied to, you are unable to digest it. Were you dropped on your head?

89 wins is an accomplishment. Especially considering the pitching injuries they had. But I don't expect you to understand that. You only keep up with your teams. Considering 90 wins is usually the pinnacle to making the playoffs. And until the AL central became a power house, it was good for a wild card berth. Your lack of knowledge is humorous to say the least.

[01WhiteCobra]

Son, how do you know what sports I did or did not play in HS?

Admit it, you were in band. Possibly the tennis team.

[DbonezNY]

Sorry but, just because someone has played a sport, doesn't mean they know it all. Look at joe morgan, j. kruck or 1/2 of the idiots that are on ESPN that have absolutely no idea WTF they're talking about.

[Hollywood]

Sorry but, just because someone has played a sport, doesn't mean they know it all. Look at joe morgan, j. kruck or 1/2 of the idiots that are on ESPN that have absolutely no idea WTF they're talking about.

Thing is, SVTvenoms shows us daily he knows nothing about any sport. Alot of it can be explained by the fact that he's never played the sport. If you've never played football, it's easy to see why that person wouldn't understand certain aspects of the game.

[Hollywood]

If anyone is interested in a stat that's worth a damn, look into winshares.

And in all fairness,

GMJ = 10 WS
LFT = 8 WS

So ..... is the 2 win share difference worth 40+ million dollars......in SVT's mind..YUP...in the world we call reality..........no.

FWIW- Lofton surpassed GMJ in BA 2 days after I submitted this thread.

[DbonezNY]

Thing is, SVTvenoms shows us daily he knows nothing about any sport. Alot of it can be explained by the fact that he's never played the sport. If you've never played football, it's easy to see why that person wouldn't understand certain aspects of the game.

Don't get me wrong, I completely agree that SVT know's absolutely dick about baseball so far, however, you wouldn't have to play a sport to understand it. So I can see where you're coming from, but it's only about 10% of the arguement...with ignorance on his part taking roughtly 80% and another 10% in actual facts/real stats.

[DbonezNY]

FWIW- Lofton surpassed GMJ in BA 2 days after I submitted this thread.

BA is a small sample size to show the individual complete player.

[Big Studly]

Admit it, you were in band. Possibly the tennis team.

I vote for manager or trainer

[01WhiteCobra]

Sorry but, just because someone has played a sport, doesn't mean they know it all. Look at joe morgan, j. kruck or 1/2 of the idiots that are on ESPN that have absolutely no idea WTF they're talking about.

Both are still better at baseball knowledge than SVTVenom.

[Kaji]

When the hell did everybody start calling me Brandon? lol

[SVTVenom]

It doesn't matter? I simply brought it up because you said you respected Brandon's opinion because he's played HS ball. So I was letting you know i've played as well. Are you that fucking short sighted? That you can make a comment and when it's replied to, you are unable to digest it. Were you dropped on your head?

89 wins is an accomplishment. Especially considering the pitching injuries they had. But I don't expect you to understand that. You only keep up with your teams. Considering 90 wins is usually the pinnacle to making the playoffs. And until the AL central became a power house, it was good for a wild card berth. Your lack of knowledge is humorous to say the least.

No, I stated both HS AND college. At least someone thought Brandon was good enough to pony up some decent cash and extend him a schloarship. Once HS was done, you just kept dreaming.

Again, 89 wins that season isn't an accomplishment playing in the AL West as every team there was crap except the Angels and even they were only moderately decent.

If anyone is interested in a stat that's worth a damn, look into winshares.

And in all fairness,

GMJ = 10 WS
LFT = 8 WS

So ..... is the 2 win share difference worth 40+ million dollars......in SVT's mind..YUP...in the world we call reality..........no.

It may be if you consider the fact you'd have a quality player locked up for the next 4-1/2 years and that would be one less position they'd have to focus on. The less the Rangers have to blow this team up, the quicker they will be able to recoup. Its going to be a LONG, LONG time before the Rangers are worth anything once they get done blowing it up.

[That_Is_My_El_Camino]

Who scored the winning run for the Angels last night after leading off the bottom of the ninth with a double?

[SVTVenom]

Who scored the winning run for the Angels last night after leading off the bottom of the ninth with a double?

I noticed the crickets surrounding this post. I'm going to just take a wild stab at it and say it was GMJ. :D

[DbonezNY]

It may be if you consider the fact you'd have a quality player locked up for the next 4-1/2 years and that would be one less position they'd have to focus on. The less the Rangers have to blow this team up, the quicker they will be able to recoup. Its going to be a LONG, LONG time before the Rangers are worth anything once they get done blowing it up.

Seriously, how moronic can you be? you're making it seem like GMJ is some kind've FRANCHISE player and HE ISN'T. He's below mediocre and had 1 decent season and because of that 1 season you think GMJ should have had a team built around him........are you serious????????????????

[DbonezNY]

Who scored the winning run for the Angels last night after leading off the bottom of the ninth with a double?

so w/o his team mates he would have just had a double and nothing more......

See how that works?

[SVTVenom]

Seriously, how moronic can you be? you're making it seem like GMJ is some kind've FRANCHISE player and HE ISN'T. He's below mediocre and had 1 decent season and because of that 1 season you think GMJ should have had a team built around him........are you serious????????????????

Where did I say they should build around just him? I think GMJ, Mike Young, and Ian Kinsler would be a solid core to build around.

Obviously he's not mediocre seeing as how his stats are well above the league average.

so w/o his team mates he would have just had a double and nothing more......

See how that works?

Of course he needs his team, but they sure as hell needed that double because nobody else was doing jack shit that night.

[Hollywood]

Who scored the winning run for the Angels last night after leading off the bottom of the ninth with a double?

Meanwhile Lofton is hitting better at .309 to GMJ's average .282, has struck out 35 time less than GMJ, has scored more runs, has a better fielding percentage, more stolen bases, better OBP, OPS, and even a better slugging percentage, and for how much less? lol

[Hollywood]

Where did I say they should build around just him? I think GMJ, Mike Young, and Ian Kinsler would be a solid core to build around.

Obviously he's not mediocre seeing as how his stats are well above the league average.



Of course he needs his team, but they sure as hell needed that double because nobody else was doing jack shit that night.

You want to build around a guy who will be in his mid 30's next month? LMAO

[That_Is_My_El_Camino]

so w/o his team mates he would have just had a double and nothing more......

See how that works?Meanwhile Lofton is hitting better at .309 to GMJ's average .282, has struck out 35 time less than GMJ, has scored more runs, has a better fielding percentage, more stolen bases, better OBP, OPS, and even a better slugging percentage, and for how much less? lolI was just pointing out how well he had done his job, and yes, the two guys behind him did theirs as well. The bottom line is that Matthews scored the winning run; Lofton did not.

I'll take either one of them. Lofton is looking much better than he did a few months ago, and Young is starting to get some hits, and Teixiera is back and hitting the ball, and fuck Sammy Sosa. But I digress...

[SVTVenom]

Meanwhile Lofton is hitting better at .309 to GMJ's average .282, has struck out 35 time less than GMJ, has scored more runs, has a better fielding percentage, more stolen bases, better OBP, OPS, and even a better slugging percentage, and for how much less? lol

But hey, lets gloss over the fact GMJ has more HR's, more RBI's, and is a big part of the reason why his team is where it is right now.

Here is a great question that was posed on 103.3 last night when it came to Kenny Lofton and his career:

Why has a guy that is a career .300 hitter been on 12 different teams since his career started in 1991?

Answer: He's not worth the trouble because he's a dick in the lockeroom and not a guy you build around.

You want to build around a guy who will be in his mid 30's next month? LMAO

I'd rather have someone who is 32 going on 33 than a guy that is 40 going on being in a wheelchair. Plus, 33 isn't mid 30's. Mid 30's would be 34, 35, 36.

[Hollywood]

But hey, lets gloss over the fact GMJ has more HR's, more RBI's, and is a big part of the reason why his team is where it is right now.

Here is a great question that was posed on 103.3 last night when it came to Kenny Lofton and his career:

Why has a guy that is a career .300 hitter been on 12 different teams since his career started in 1991?

Answer: He's not worth the trouble because he's a dick in the lockeroom and not a guy you build around.



I'd rather have someone who is 32 going on 33 than a guy that is 40 going on being in a wheelchair. Plus, 33 isn't mid 30's. Mid 30's would be 34, 35, 36.


Of course GMJ has more RBI's. Lofton is a lead off hitter. There's no one on base. GMJ is batting cleanup. God you're a fucking moron. And big fucking whoop he has more HR's, Lofton has never been a HR guy. I guess Boggs, Gwynn, Ichiro, Mattingly, and the rest of the contact hitters throughout history suck because they didn't hit home runs either.

As for the 40 gonig on being in a wheelchair, funny how he's whipping your young whipper snappers fucking ass in just about every statistical category at age 38. LMFAO!!!! And for how much less in salary? LMFAO!!!!!

[Casper]

I was just pointing out how well he had done his job, and yes, the two guys behind him did theirs as well. The bottom line is that Matthews scored the winning run; Lofton did not.

I'll take either one of them. Lofton is looking much better than he did a few months ago, and Young is starting to get some hits, and Teixiera is back and hitting the ball, and fuck Sammy Sosa. But I digress...

Yeah, fuck sosa with a corked bat!

[SVTVenom]

Of course GMJ has more RBI's. Lofton is a lead off hitter. There's no one on base. GMJ is batting cleanup. God you're a fucking moron. And big fucking whoop he has more HR's, Lofton has never been a HR guy. I guess Boggs, Gwynn, Ichiro, Mattingly, and the rest of the contact hitters throughout history suck because they didn't hit home runs either.

As for the 40 gonig on being in a wheelchair, funny how he's whipping your young whipper snappers fucking ass in just about every statistical category at age 38. LMFAO!!!! And for how much less in salary? LMFAO!!!!!

GMJ started out as the lead off man for LA and was there for a significant amount of the season before being moved to the middle of the order because they needed better hitting there.

GMJ is making a couple hundred grand more than Lofton this season and has provided more offense for his team. Well worth the chump change that is.

Lofton probably might want to have his bags packed because the Texas Rangers fire sale is about to begin.

[Hollywood]

GMJ started out as the lead off man for LA and was there for a significant amount of the season before being moved to the middle of the order because they needed better hitting there.

GMJ is making a couple hundred grand more than Lofton this season and has provided more offense for his team. Well worth the chump change that is.

Lofton probably might want to have his bags packed because the Texas Rangers fire sale is about to begin.

A couple hundred grand more? GMJ makes 10 million a year for 5 years for a total of 50 million. Lofton makes 6 million this year. Thats four million, not a couple hundred grand. Do you suck that bad at math? GMJ has been played 3/4ths of this season at the 3 spot, not the lead off. Lofton has played the entire season at leadoff.
And no, GMJ is not providing more offense for his team. Lets try this again since you are struggling.

Runs
Lofton: 62 <--------------- the bigger number Lofton
GMJ: 52

batting average
Lofton: .303 <---------------------- the bigger number Lofton
GMJ: .268

Stolen Bases
Lofton: 21 <-----------------------the bigger number Lofton
GMJ: 12


On base percentage
Lofton .380 <----------------------------the bigger number Lofton
GMJ. .332

Triples
Lofton: 3 <---------- yea.... Lofton
GMJ: 2

Hits
Lofton: 96 <----------------- Lofton yet again
GMJ: 95


Whats an extra 4 million get you?

More Strikeouts
Lofton: 28
GMJ: 68 <-------------- the bigger number, not a good thing either, lol. WOW



Doubles
Lofton 16
GMJ 18 <---- for 4 million a year more, you get a massive upgrade in extra base hits. 2!!!!


3 home runs
Lofton 7
GMJ 10 Middle of the order and 10 home runs? He's on pace for what? 19? And only 3 ahead of a contact hitter. A leadoff guy at that.

Despite hitting more homeruns, Loftons slugging percentage is higher, LOL

Yea, the Angels got a steal, lol. Show me where again the Angels got more production. I can't seem to find it seeing how Lofton leads Matthews in nearly every offensive category and defensive category.

[Hollywood]

*updated* ;)

[DbonezNY]

With lofton being traded...I'm surprised SVT isn't all over this thread.

[Hollywood]

With lofton being traded...I'm surprised SVT isn't all over this thread.


Yea, i'm waiting for his "this just shows you how sorry Lofton is" comments. Because we all know, if you get traded, that means you suck. So it'll be interesting to see him fabricate another empty theory.

[SVTVenom]

A couple hundred grand more? GMJ makes 10 million a year for 5 years for a total of 50 million. Lofton makes 6 million this year. Thats four million, not a couple hundred grand. Do you suck that bad at math? GMJ has been played 3/4ths of this season at the 3 spot, not the lead off. Lofton has played the entire season at leadoff.
And no, GMJ is not providing more offense for his team. Lets try this again since you are struggling.

Man, you have to be one of the dumbest bastards on this forum. Just because GMJ has a 5-year contract for $50+million doesn't mean its spread equally over all 5 years you dumbass.

GMJ (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/profile?statsId=6241): $6,400,000 for the 2007 season.

Lofton (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/profile?statsId=4789): $6,000,000 for the 2007 season.

Let me do the math for you so your head doesn't explode: $6,400,000 - $6,000,000 = $400,000

The least you could have done is pulled your head out of your ass and looked that up instead of spouting off like the idiot you are.

Runs
Lofton: 62 <--------------- the bigger number Lofton
GMJ: 52

batting average
Lofton: .303 <---------------------- the bigger number Lofton
GMJ: .268

Stolen Bases
Lofton: 21 <-----------------------the bigger number Lofton
GMJ: 12


On base percentage
Lofton .380 <----------------------------the bigger number Lofton
GMJ. .332

Triples
Lofton: 3 <---------- yea.... Lofton
GMJ: 2

Hits
Lofton: 96 <----------------- Lofton yet again
GMJ: 95


Whats an extra 4 million get you?

More Strikeouts
Lofton: 28
GMJ: 68 <-------------- the bigger number, not a good thing either, lol. WOW



Doubles
Lofton 16
GMJ 18 <---- for 4 million a year more, you get a massive upgrade in extra base hits. 2!!!!


3 home runs
Lofton 7
GMJ 10 Middle of the order and 10 home runs? He's on pace for what? 19? And only 3 ahead of a contact hitter. A leadoff guy at that.

Despite hitting more homeruns, Loftons slugging percentage is higher, LOL

Yea, the Angels got a steal, lol. Show me where again the Angels got more production. I can't seem to find it seeing how Lofton leads Matthews in nearly every offensive category and defensive category.

Man you love to skew it towards Lofton. You fail to take EVERYTHING into account and what each player is doing for their respective teams.

GMJ hit in the leadoff spot for the Angels for at least the first 1/4 of the season and was moved back to the middle of the lineup to add more pop behind Cabrera and Vlad as well as preventing teams from simply walking them to escape their hitting.

GMJ has more extra base hits, HR's, and RBI's and is a significant portion of his team's offense while Lofton is getting traded for Single-A catchers. Again, if Lofton is such a bargain, why trade him? Players who are good and producing for their teams don't just get dealt for nothing players.

[Hollywood]

Man, you have to be one of the dumbest bastards on this forum. Just because GMJ has a 5-year contract for $50+million doesn't mean its spread equally over all 5 years you dumbass.

GMJ (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/profile?statsId=6241): $6,400,000 for the 2007 season.

Lofton (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/profile?statsId=4789): $6,000,000 for the 2007 season.

Let me do the math for you so your head doesn't explode: $6,400,000 - $6,000,000 = $400,000

The least you could have done is pulled your head out of your ass and looked that up instead of spouting off like the idiot you are.



Man you love to skew it towards Lofton. You fail to take EVERYTHING into account and what each player is doing for their respective teams.

GMJ hit in the leadoff spot for the Angels for at least the first 1/4 of the season and was moved back to the middle of the lineup to add more pop behind Cabrera and Vlad as well as preventing teams from simply walking them to escape their hitting.

GMJ has more extra base hits, HR's, and RBI's and is a significant portion of his team's offense while Lofton is getting traded for Single-A catchers. Again, if Lofton is such a bargain, why trade him? Players who are good and producing for their teams don't just get dealt for nothing players.

Where is this significant portion of team offense jackass? I just fucking showed you that Lofton is owning GMJ in virtually every offensive category save RBI's and Home runs. And his lead in HR's is extremely small. And you're too fucking stupid to understand the reasoning behind the bigger RBI difference. Your math sucks. 2 categories is hardly a significant portion you dumb fuck.

Player who are good and producing for their teams don't just get dealt for nothign players. You mean like Bagwell being traded to the stros for Larry Anderson? Mark McGwire to the Cardinals for pitchers T.J. Mathews, Eric Ludwick and Blake Stein? Yanks send Jay Buhner to Seattle for Ken Phelps. Never happens huh.

[SVTVenom]

Where is this significant portion of team offense jackass? I just fucking showed you that Lofton is owning GMJ in virtually every offensive category save RBI's and Home runs. And his lead in HR's is extremely small. And you're too fucking stupid to understand the reasoning behind the bigger RBI difference. Your math sucks. 2 categories is hardly a significant portion you dumb fuck.

Of the 539 runs the Angels have scored this season coming into tonight, 59 of those belong to GMJ. Thats 11% of their total production and only one other player has more and that would be Orlando Cabrera with 68 runs or 13%. Thats a pretty significant portion of the offense, especially for a team that is leading their division and is one of the top teams in baseball this season.

His lead in HR's just got bigger because he's already smacked 2 more out this week.

The leadoff argument is weak because leadoff guys can get RBI's just like anyone else can save for their 1st AB in the game. You used Ichiro as an example earlier in relation to Lofton and he is a leadoff guy who still produces a decent amount of RBI's for the season. He's got 45 as of today.

Player who are good and producing for their teams don't just get dealt for nothign players. You mean like Bagwell being traded to the stros for Larry Anderson? Mark McGwire to the Cardinals for pitchers T.J. Mathews, Eric Ludwick and Blake Stein? Yanks send Jay Buhner to Seattle for Ken Phelps. Never happens huh.

Jeff Bagwell was traded before he even played an inning for the Red Sox.

Mark McGwire got traded ala Tex because he was in the last year of his contract and no longer wanted to play in a small market like Oakland.

Jay Buhner played in a whopping 7 MLB games before being traded.

Very poor, unrelated examples you've used. Comparing two players who were traded as prospects and one who would be in the HOF if not for a Andro cloud over his head to Kenny Lofton being traded is laughable.

[DbonezNY]

Of the 539 runs the Angels have scored this season coming into tonight, 59 of those belong to GMJ. Thats 11% of their total production and only one other player has more and that would be Orlando Cabrera with 68 runs or 13%. Thats a pretty significant portion of the offense, especially for a team that is leading their division and is one of the top teams in baseball this season..


so your saying GMJ scored 59 runs ALL BY HIMSELF....man...that's incredible....or..wait.....his team mates scored him in......thats why runs/rbi's are absolutely idiotic when trying to figure out the worth of an individual player.

That seriously is just plain assinine.

[Hollywood]

Of the 539 runs the Angels have scored this season coming into tonight, 59 of those belong to GMJ. Thats 11% of their total production and only one other player has more and that would be Orlando Cabrera with 68 runs or 13%. Thats a pretty significant portion of the offense, especially for a team that is leading their division and is one of the top teams in baseball this season.

His lead in HR's just got bigger because he's already smacked 2 more out this week.

The leadoff argument is weak because leadoff guys can get RBI's just like anyone else can save for their 1st AB in the game. You used Ichiro as an example earlier in relation to Lofton and he is a leadoff guy who still produces a decent amount of RBI's for the season. He's got 45 as of today.



Jeff Bagwell was traded before he even played an inning for the Red Sox.

Mark McGwire got traded ala Tex because he was in the last year of his contract and no longer wanted to play in a small market like Oakland.

Jay Buhner played in a whopping 7 MLB games before being traded.

Very poor, unrelated examples you've used. Comparing two players who were traded as prospects and one who would be in the HOF if not for a Andro cloud over his head to Kenny Lofton being traded is laughable.

So GMJ scores 11% of their offense. You do realize your theory just backed my statement. Lofton provided 62 of the Rangers 520 runs. So according to your theory, Lofton provided a greater percentage of offense than GMJ does for the angels. Way to prove me wrong Einstein, LMFAO!!!

Btw, Buhner played 32 games over 2 seasons before being traded, not 7. Not that it matters, I just like seeing you make mistake after mistake.

As far as McGwire, you are dead wrong, he didn't want out of Oakland, Oakland didn't want to pony up the cash. I have a few links to back my statement, but i'd rather wait for you to argue so I can make you look like a complete tool yet again.

As for Lofton's RBI numbers, you've said it yourself, the Texas offense has been a joke. So who the fuck was Lofton driving in? Nobody. The guy gets on base, and based on the number of runs he's scored, he's the guy scoring all the runs.

[SVTVenom]

So GMJ scores 11% of their offense. You do realize your theory just backed my statement. Lofton provided 62 of the Rangers 520 runs. So according to your theory, Lofton provided a greater percentage of offense than GMJ does for the angels. Way to prove me wrong Einstein, LMFAO!!!

And look where the Rangers were with him: last place.

Btw, Buhner played 32 games over 2 seasons before being traded, not 7. Not that it matters, I just like seeing you make mistake after mistake.

Well, I guess I read his bio wrong, but still how does a player who is considered a prospect being traded after 32 games equate to Lofton being traded? It doesn't.

As far as McGwire, you are dead wrong, he didn't want out of Oakland, Oakland didn't want to pony up the cash. I have a few links to back my statement, but i'd rather wait for you to argue so I can make you look like a complete tool yet again.

Thats exactly what I said dumbass. He got dealt because he didn't want to stay with a small-market team that wasn't going to sign him for what he wanted ala Tex.

As for Lofton's RBI numbers, you've said it yourself, the Texas offense has been a joke. So who the fuck was Lofton driving in? Nobody. The guy gets on base, and based on the number of runs he's scored, he's the guy scoring all the runs.

He's had 66 AB's this season with RISP and his average is .242. When it comes down to bringing people in, he's well below his average. Lofton is a guy who hits for average and thats it.

[Hollywood]

And look where the Rangers were with him: last place.



Well, I guess I read his bio wrong, but still how does a player who is considered a prospect being traded after 32 games equate to Lofton being traded? It doesn't.



Thats exactly what I said dumbass. He got dealt because he didn't want to stay with a small-market team that wasn't going to sign him for what he wanted ala Tex.



He's had 66 AB's this season with RISP and his average is .242. When it comes down to bringing people in, he's well below his average. Lofton is a guy who hits for average and thats it.


Newsflash dipshit, Lofton nor GMJ are pitchers. The Rangers are in the fucking cellar because of pitching, not because of offensive output. Bottom line is Lofton has provided more offense than GMJ has, so you stupid fucking theory that if GMJ were here, they'd be in first place or contended is one of the most rediculous theories to come out of your cum dumpster. Are you really this fucking stupid? To sit here and go on and on how the Rangers should have kept GMJ because the would help then win, yet the guy that replaced him has provided more offense. I'm really starting to think that you have fried all your brain cells, because the bunk you continue to spew out is just mind boggling.

[SVTVenom]

Newsflash dipshit, Lofton nor GMJ are pitchers. The Rangers are in the fucking cellar because of pitching, not because of offensive output. Bottom line is Lofton has provided more offense than GMJ has, so you stupid fucking theory that if GMJ were here, they'd be in first place or contended is one of the most rediculous theories to come out of your cum dumpster. Are you really this fucking stupid? To sit here and go on and on how the Rangers should have kept GMJ because the would help then win, yet the guy that replaced him has provided more offense. I'm really starting to think that you have fried all your brain cells, because the bunk you continue to spew out is just mind boggling.

Pitching isn't the only reason Texas has sucked this season. They haven't hit the ball anywhere near what they have it past seasons and their bullpen was actually pretty decent this year when they did get a chance to close one down.

I believe last night Lofton's average continued to drop after being brought in during the 7th going 0/2 for the night while GMJ blasted another HR and had another 4 RBI's.

Less HR, less RBI, less extra base hits, and definately less wins. Yeah, thats providing more offense alright. :rolleyes: More like another $6 million the Rangers flushed down the toliet for what ended up getting them a Single-A catcher.

[SVTVenom]

Man, that B/A for Lofton just keeps on falling. :cool:

Yet another HR for GMJ tonight and another win for the Angels.

I guess Hollywood's oven is broken.

[Hollywood]

Man, that B/A for Lofton just keeps on falling. :cool:

Yet another HR for GMJ tonight and another win for the Angels.

I guess Hollywood's oven is broken.


Not so much. Another homerun huh? Did you forget to mention that he had what 3 games where he didn't get a hit at all? That batting average is hovering right at the spare mark. I see last nights game got it up to the league average of .272, LMAO. Nice. If you want to talk shit about subpar numbers, go right ahead, you only continue to make yourself to look like an ass. Why don't you brag about how often he strikes out while you are at it.

Try not to choke on your crow. :)

[Hollywood]

Not so much. Another homerun huh? Did you forget to mention that he had what 3 games where he didn't get a hit at all? That batting average is hovering right at the spare mark. I see last nights game got it up to the league average of .272, LMAO. Nice. If you want to talk shit about subpar numbers, go right ahead, you only continue to make yourself to look like an ass. Why don't you brag about how often he strikes out while you are at it.

Try not to choke on your crow. :)

.272, I spoke too soon. GMJ decided to strike out a couple of times today. It's only the 6th inning and his average is below the league average now, sitting at a paltry .270. How low can he go? That HR was awesome. Instead of being 0-14 in his last 14 at bats, he's 1-14. Yea, he's smoking Lofton! LMFAO!!!

[Hollywood]

0-4 today with 2 strikes outs. That would be 1-15. Impressive.

[Hollywood]

ah yes, as expected, the sound of crickets. lol. GMJ goes 0-4 today. He's down to .267. Where's you at dumbass?

[Hollywood]

It would seem that my oven is working just fine. Another 0-4 game yesterday.



GMJ's Batting average? .264

2 for his last 27 at bats. The season better hurry up and close, otherwise GMJ may find himself down in Triple A, lmao.

[SVTVenom]

Yep, he's on pace to hit more HR's and more RBI's than last year and already has more of your key statistic: stolen bases. I couldn't give a shit less if he isn't hitting .300. I'd rather have a player who can give me .260-.280 all year, but produces runs and RBI's better than some has-been who simply hits for average and thats about it.

[Hollywood]

Yep, he's on pace to hit more HR's and more RBI's than last year and already has more of your key statistic: stolen bases. I couldn't give a shit less if he isn't hitting .300. I'd rather have a player who can give me .260-.280 all year, but produces runs and RBI's better than some has-been who simply hits for average and thats about it.


Don't forget strikeouts. Because in your world, hits don't mean anything. I would like to find this baseball league where not only HR"s were everything, 16 Homeruns was impressive. Because, memo to you Venom, 16 homeruns is not impressive. You are the only douche bag on the planet who would take a .260 hitter over a .300 hitter and that, is fucking laughable. lol

[SVTVenom]

Don't forget strikeouts. Because in your world, hits don't mean anything. I would like to find this baseball league where not only HR"s were everything, 16 Homeruns was impressive. Because, memo to you Venom, 16 homeruns is not impressive. You are the only douche bag on the planet who would take a .260 hitter over a .300 hitter and that, is fucking laughable. lol

Well, when you actually play every day, you tend to see more AB's and K's are going to happen.

I see we are now changing it to vs. the rest of the league since GMJ is now on pace to have more HR's, RBI's, and BB's than last season despite only making $400k more than what Lofton did who produced less for the Rangers and is producing even less for the Indians now. But hey, its all just because he was the first guy to bat at the start of the game, right? :rolleyes:

Kenny Lofton wasn't what the Rangers needed and he got traded because the boy wonder finally figured out he had flushed $6 mil down the toliet.

[Hollywood]

Well, when you actually play every day, you tend to see more AB's and K's are going to happen.

I see we are now changing it to vs. the rest of the league since GMJ is now on pace to have more HR's, RBI's, and BB's than last season despite only making $400k more than what Lofton did who produced less for the Rangers and is producing even less for the Indians now. But hey, its all just because he was the first guy to bat at the start of the game, right? :rolleyes:

Kenny Lofton wasn't what the Rangers needed and he got traded because the boy wonder finally figured out he had flushed $6 mil down the toliet.

I see your math still sucks. Keep saying that it's only 400k, maybe someone will step up and break it down for you.

Glad you brought up the fact that GMJ has more at bats than Lofton. Maybe now you can expliain how your 50 million dollar golden boy has fewer hits, fewer doubles, triples, and stolen bases? Lofton continues to out produce GMJ and with fewer at bats and at a cheaper price tag. Blah blah, we know you'll never admit you are wrong on this no matter how bad it gets, but everyone gets to see it and thats all that matters to me. You made comments at the beginning of the season, and they have come back to bite you once again. GMJ could hit .200 and you still defend him. I'm really starting to wonder if you aren't borderline mentally fucking retarded.

[SVTVenom]

I see your math still sucks. Keep saying that it's only 400k, maybe someone will step up and break it down for you.

Glad you brought up the fact that GMJ has more at bats than Lofton. Maybe now you can expliain how your 50 million dollar golden boy has fewer hits, fewer doubles, triples, and stolen bases? Lofton continues to out produce GMJ and with fewer at bats and at a cheaper price tag. Blah blah, we know you'll never admit you are wrong on this no matter how bad it gets, but everyone gets to see it and thats all that matters to me. You made comments at the beginning of the season, and they have come back to bite you once again. GMJ could hit .200 and you still defend him. I'm really starting to wonder if you aren't borderline mentally fucking retarded.

I think you are the one that needs a math lesson again:

$6,400,000 - $6,000,000 = $400,000

That is about as simple as I can make it for you. If you can't wrap your head around the fact that for this year their salaries are only $400,000 apart for this season, well you are in denial.

As for your statistical assertions, I think you may want to take another look.

GMJ:

H - 125
2B - 26
3B - 3
SB - 15

Lofton:

H - 122
2B - 21
3B - 3
SB - 22

The only category you listed above that Lofton is leading in is SB's and GMJ is actually over what he did last year by 5 and the season isn't over yet.

What I find quite amusing is the fact that Lofton is doing worse on a better team. Every single one of his averages is down significantly despite the fact he's now on a division leading team. Awesome! :rolleyes:

By the way, GMJ is now only 2 HR's and 9 RBI's away from what he put up last year with the Rangers. He's earning his money and then some for the AL West leading Angels while Lofton is sitting on the bench picking up a paycheck for being an old, worn out spare.

[Big Studly]

I'm really starting to wonder if you aren't borderline mentally fucking retarded.

that is sig material right there. If I didnt' love my Divorce billboard so much, I would do it.

[Hollywood]

I think you are the one that needs a math lesson again:

$6,400,000 - $6,000,000 = $400,000

That is about as simple as I can make it for you. If you can't wrap your head around the fact that for this year their salaries are only $400,000 apart for this season, well you are in denial.

As for your statistical assertions, I think you may want to take another look.

GMJ:

H - 125
2B - 26
3B - 3
SB - 15

Lofton:

H - 122
2B - 21
3B - 3
SB - 22

The only category you listed above that Lofton is leading in is SB's and GMJ is actually over what he did last year by 5 and the season isn't over yet.

What I find quite amusing is the fact that Lofton is doing worse on a better team. Every single one of his averages is down significantly despite the fact he's now on a division leading team. Awesome! :rolleyes:

By the way, GMJ is now only 2 HR's and 9 RBI's away from what he put up last year with the Rangers. He's earning his money and then some for the AL West leading Angels while Lofton is sitting on the bench picking up a paycheck for being an old, worn out spare.

And despite struggling since being traded to the Indians, his average is still well above the league average. While GMJ continues to be the poster child for mediocrity. Who gives a fuck he's about to hit a few more HR's than last year. He's doesn't hit enough of them to justify his shitty average or the big ass paycheck he's receiving. You're the only douchebag in the world that would try to argue that a .264 hitter is worth 50 million.

[That_Is_My_El_Camino]

So, I'm curious. Would Chicago be able to beat Texas if Chicago had Kenny Lofton and Texas had Gary Matthews, Jr.?

[That_Is_My_El_Camino]

Do I smell a sweep?

[SVTVenom]

And despite struggling since being traded to the Indians, his average is still well above the league average. While GMJ continues to be the poster child for mediocrity. Who gives a fuck he's about to hit a few more HR's than last year. He's doesn't hit enough of them to justify his shitty average or the big ass paycheck he's receiving. You're the only douchebag in the world that would try to argue that a .264 hitter is worth 50 million.

It does matter than he's going to improve upon his HR's and RBI's from last year because that was a sticking point you had. You said his #'s didn't warrant his paycheck, yet he's improving upon what he did last year.

He's worth it and your pissed because you boy is burried on the depth chart and isn't worth shit.

Do I smell a sweep?

I think so. Just like I called after GMJ signed with the Angels. The Angels have DOMINATED the Rangers this season.

[That_Is_My_El_Camino]

I think so. Just like I called after GMJ signed with the Angels. The Angels have DOMINATED the Rangers this season.I don't think they're going to sweep the Rangers; I meant that Texas was going to sweep Chicago, and they did.

Also, the Angels have pretty much always dominated the Rangers. Their acquisition of Gary Matthews, Jr., isn't the reason why they're able to continue.

[SVTVenom]

I don't think they're going to sweep the Rangers; I meant that Texas was going to sweep Chicago, and they did.

Also, the Angels have pretty much always dominated the Rangers. Their acquisition of Gary Matthews, Jr., isn't the reason why they're able to continue.

They were a whole hell of alot closer a few years ago than they are now. I think Texas has only won like 1-2 games against the Angels this year.

[Cartman]

man I wish I liked baseball and knew more about it, to join this one but it was a great read and funny :D

[Hollywood]

It does matter than he's going to improve upon his HR's and RBI's from last year because that was a sticking point you had. You said his #'s didn't warrant his paycheck, yet he's improving upon what he did last year.

He's worth it and your pissed because you boy is burried on the depth chart and isn't worth shit.



I think so. Just like I called after GMJ signed with the Angels. The Angels have DOMINATED the Rangers this season.

I'm sorry, but when you are batting .258 you are not worth 50 million dollars. :rolleyes: Wake up and smell the fucking coffee.

What did Lofton do yesterday? hmmmm 5 At bats, 2 hits, a double, a triple, a run scored and a RBI. Back to hitting over .300.

[That_Is_My_El_Camino]

I'm sorry, but when you are batting .258 you are not worth 50 million dollars. :rolleyes: Wake up and smell the fucking coffee.I'm sorry. Haven't you ever seen a "Mustang for sale" ad? It's rarely ever about what it's worth but rather what some stupid sumbitch will pay for it. ;)

[SVTVenom]

I'm sorry, but when you are batting .258 you are not worth 50 million dollars. :rolleyes: Wake up and smell the fucking coffee.

What did Lofton do yesterday? hmmmm 5 At bats, 2 hits, a double, a triple, a run scored and a RBI. Back to hitting over .300.

$50 million in one season? No.

$50 million over an extended period of time? Yes, especially considering the fact he's able to play in more games, is going to play for more than one more year, and is putting up bigger offensive #'s than he did last year.

Only 1 HR and 8 RBI's away from last year's totals and plenty more games left to go in the season.

The whole premise of this argument was whether or not Texas would be better off with GMJ or Lofton. I think that got answered pretty clearly when Lofton got traded mid-way through the season for a Single-A catcher that probably won't even ever see the field in a Ranger's uniform.

[Hollywood]

$50 million in one season? No.

$50 million over an extended period of time? Yes, especially considering the fact he's able to play in more games, is going to play for more than one more year, and is putting up bigger offensive #'s than he did last year.

Only 1 HR and 8 RBI's away from last year's totals and plenty more games left to go in the season.

The whole premise of this argument was whether or not Texas would be better off with GMJ or Lofton. I think that got answered pretty clearly when Lofton got traded mid-way through the season for a Single-A catcher that probably won't even ever see the field in a Ranger's uniform.

You're the only retard that thinks such shitty numbers warrant that paycheck. A career .258 hitter, hitting just that. You act like GMJ is this young stud. The guy is aging, so why over pay for a medicore player when you can get better production for cheaper. They did just that. After seeing they were not going to do as well as expected, they had a fire sale. I realize thats hard for you to understand but just try. Read it again and again. Lofton's abilities had nothing to do with him being traded. If so, then Texiera would have never been traded. Your ridiculous theory went out the window when he was traded. And keep throwing up that HR and RBI number. It doesn't mask his shitty BA, high strikeout ratio and subpar hitting in other areas. You are the only guy in the world drinking GMJ koolaid. Bottom line, the Angels overpaid for GMJ and the fans are letting them know it.

[DbonezNY]

I think that got answered pretty clearly when Lofton got traded mid-way through the season for a Single-A catcher that probably won't even ever see the field in a Ranger's uniform.

boy that mark texiera dude must have sucked donkey balls because they let go of him 2 :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:

Or maybe common sense isn't that common after all?

[SVTVenom]

You're the only retard that thinks such shitty numbers warrant that paycheck. A career .258 hitter, hitting just that. You act like GMJ is this young stud. The guy is aging, so why over pay for a medicore player when you can get better production for cheaper. They did just that. After seeing they were not going to do as well as expected, they had a fire sale. I realize thats hard for you to understand but just try. Read it again and again. Lofton's abilities had nothing to do with him being traded. If so, then Texiera would have never been traded. Your ridiculous theory went out the window when he was traded. And keep throwing up that HR and RBI number. It doesn't mask his shitty BA, high strikeout ratio and subpar hitting in other areas. You are the only guy in the world drinking GMJ koolaid. Bottom line, the Angels overpaid for GMJ and the fans are letting them know it.

LMFAO @ 33 being "aging." Again, that simple fact alone shows how much of an idiot you are.

The Rangers got rid of Lofton because they got tired of paying a similar salary for little production. They realized their attempt to get through the season with inferior/old F/A failed.

I believe the fans in LA/Anahiem are actually pretty happy he's there as well as that team being one of the best in baseball this year. I believe that is the direct opposite here as the only time the Rangers can fill up the stands is when another good team comes in to beat their ass i.e. Boston, NYY, Angels, etc.

boy that mark texiera dude must have sucked donkey balls because they let go of him 2 :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:

Or maybe common sense isn't that common after all?

Different situation. You have an excellent player that doesn't want to stay where he is and wants big money. Tex has produced and has a long career ahead of him, Lofton didn't produce and is wayyyy past his prime.

The Rangers also got back a TON in return for him and guys that are actually on the roster and making a contribution.

[Hollywood]

LMFAO @ 33 being "aging." Again, that simple fact alone shows how much of an idiot you are.

The Rangers got rid of Lofton because they got tired of paying a similar salary for little production. They realized their attempt to get through the season with inferior/old F/A failed.

I believe the fans in LA/Anahiem are actually pretty happy he's there as well as that team being one of the best in baseball this year. I believe that is the direct opposite here as the only time the Rangers can fill up the stands is when another good team comes in to beat their ass i.e. Boston, NYY, Angels, etc.



Different situation. You have an excellent player that doesn't want to stay where he is and wants big money. Tex has produced and has a long career ahead of him, Lofton didn't produce and is wayyyy past his prime.

The Rangers also got back a TON in return for him and guys that are actually on the roster and making a contribution.

Typical guess work from you. first off, what planet do you live on where 33 is not aging or getting old in the sports world? You're arguing just for the sake of arguing.
secondly, i've been to Anaheim, been to an Angels game and if I had a dime for every fan that agreed that GMJ was overpaid for, I could make a couple of payments on my car. Hell, look no further than the internet and you'll find articles that say the same thing. Another classic case of you sticking your foot in your mouth all because you are obsessed with a player.
And LOL @ Lofton not producing considering most of his stats are better or equal to GMJ's save 2. I'm going to kick you in the nuts if you say that again. I've already posted the numbers, LOFTON IS WINNING IN MORE CATEGORIES. And fuck your HR and RBI, there are more than 2 categories in the stat line jackass. How's GMJ's hitting right now? 8 strikeouts in the last 24 at bats. lol, Planet Venom, where .258 is not 20 points below the league average, but a special average reserved for great players and 18 homeruns makes up for it. 18 homeruns, you'd think he on pace for 60 the way you toss that number around. Is this your first year of watching baseball? Teams would rather have a 300 hitter than a guy who's going to bat .258 and 20 home runs. I told you earlier in the year that Lofton would hit 300 and you opened that cum dumpster and tried to dispute it.

[SVTVenom]

Typical guess work from you. first off, what planet do you live on where 33 is not aging or getting old in the sports world? You're arguing just for the sake of arguing.
secondly, i've been to Anaheim, been to an Angels game and if I had a dime for every fan that agreed that GMJ was overpaid for, I could make a couple of payments on my car. Hell, look no further than the internet and you'll find articles that say the same thing. Another classic case of you sticking your foot in your mouth all because you are obsessed with a player.
And LOL @ Lofton not producing considering most of his stats are better or equal to GMJ's save 2. Your math sucks, lol. How's GMJ's hitting right now? 8 strikeouts in the last 24 at bats. lol, Planet Vemom, where .258 is not 20 points below the league average, but a special average reserved for great players hit and 18 homeruns makes up for it. 18 homeruns, you'd think he on pace for 60 the way you toss that number around. Is this your first year of watching baseball?

In baseball, where contact is limited, 33 isn't aging.

LMFAO @ you "polling" fans in Anahiem on a special trip just to prove me wrong. :rolleyes: You are such a fucking moron it is beyond belief.

Now that you can't handle the fact that GMJ has produced more total offense for his team and has made his team more productive, you now have to compare him to the entire league. This whole argument was GMJ vs. Lofton and whether the Rangers would be better off without him. Safe to say they aren't and that is signaled by the fact Lofton is no longer here.

B/A is arbitrary between these two because Lofton doesn't hit for power. He doesn't produce the RBI's and HR's that the Rangers needed. The Rangers aren't a base-stealing team and he never, ever fit in here. It was a horrible move by the Rangers to sign Lofton in a long, long line of horrible personel decisions.

[Hollywood]

In baseball, where contact is limited, 33 isn't aging.

LMFAO @ you "polling" fans in Anahiem on a special trip just to prove me wrong. :rolleyes: You are such a fucking moron it is beyond belief.

Now that you can't handle the fact that GMJ has produced more total offense for his team and has made his team more productive, you now have to compare him to the entire league. This whole argument was GMJ vs. Lofton and whether the Rangers would be better off without him. Safe to say they aren't and that is signaled by the fact Lofton is no longer here.

B/A is arbitrary between these two because Lofton doesn't hit for power. He doesn't produce the RBI's and HR's that the Rangers needed. The Rangers aren't a base-stealing team and he never, ever fit in here. It was a horrible move by the Rangers to sign Lofton in a long, long line of horrible personel decisions.

You think I care about your sorry ass enough to poll fans? Fuck no, that was what I heard every time that over payed piece of shit was at the plate.

Thats just it, GMJ has not produced more for his team. It's like arguing with a brick fucking wall.

BA is arbirtray? you are taking stupidity to a whole new fucking level. It is considered the basis of a player, it is one of the most important stats in baseball.
and FYI- GMJ DOESN"T HIT FOR POWER. 18 homeruns is not a power hitter. jesus fucking christ. You know what you are obviously just spewing bullshit just to get me riled up because no one can be this dense. Thread closed, I get the last word because you'll go on and on and on no matter how much I prove you wrong.

[Hollywood]

someone ask me to add this to the thread, so i'm reopening, lol

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/news/story?id=2782741