Contact your Texas state senator today.

[EW]

Important Right-to-Carry Confidentiality Bill Heads to Senate Floor!

Please Contact Your State Senator Today!



On Monday, April 30, the Texas Senate State Affairs Committee reported out House Bill 991 championed by State Representative Patrick Rose (D-Dripping Springs). HB 991, NRA-supported Concealed Handgun License (CHL) confidentiality legislation, passed by a 6-2 vote. The bill now moves to the full Senate for consideration.



HB 991 would restrict access to the CHL database to law enforcement only. Media organizations have launched a full-scale assault on HB 991, so it is critical that you contact your State Senator today and urge him or her to support HB 991.



Contact information for State Senators can be found at http://www.senate.state.tx.us/75r/Senate/Members.htm or use the “Write Your Representative” feature below.

[That_Is_My_El_Camino]

Hellz yeah. Now when the Russians invade they won't know who has guns and who doesn't.

[AEA]

Important Right-to-Carry Confidentiality Bill Heads to Senate Floor!

Please Contact Your State Senator Today!



On Monday, April 30, the Texas Senate State Affairs Committee reported out House Bill 991 championed by State Representative Patrick Rose (D-Dripping Springs). HB 991, NRA-supported Concealed Handgun License (CHL) confidentiality legislation, passed by a 6-2 vote. The bill now moves to the full Senate for consideration.



HB 991 would restrict access to the CHL database to law enforcement only. Media organizations have launched a full-scale assault on HB 991, so it is critical that you contact your State Senator today and urge him or her to support HB 991.



Contact information for State Senators can be found at http://www.senate.state.tx.us/75r/Senate/Members.htm or use the “Write Your Representative” feature below.


I agree this is important. But what is MORE IMPORTANT is Gov. Perry's willingness to remove all restrictions in the State for CHL holders. NO MORE RESTRICTIONS (and hopefully Open Carry to follow).

When contacting your reps, please ask them to support NO RESTRICTIONS on CHL Holders and mention the Right to Open Carry would go a very long way in deterring fools who want to commit carnage before they commit suicide.

[krazyh0rse]

just curious why does the media give a shit about knowing who has a chl

[That_Is_My_El_Camino]

Eh, I guess this isn't great, but it's better than that cockbag Burgess:Thank you for contacting me regarding gun control legislation and the protection of law-abiding citizens' rights to own firearms. I welcome your thoughts and comments on this issue.

While we all support the strongest measures to ensure that guns do not end up in the wrong hands, I believe that one of the most powerful deterrents we have is the consistent, full enforcement of the numerous laws that already address many aspects of the problem. For instance, there are more than a dozen laws at the state and federal level that deal with the use, carrying, ownership, or trafficking of guns, and we must prosecute without qualification those who violate these laws.

Rather than usurping the rights of law-abiding citizens, I believe we should vigorously prosecute those who use guns to commit crimes. I have worked to enact federal anti-crime legislation that imposes tough minimum sentences on those convicted of using firearms to commit crimes, prevents early parole for violent criminals, and provides federal funds to build new prisons and fund local law enforcement. I will continue to support legislation that fights crime and upholds our Second Amendment rights.

I appreciate hearing from you and hope you will not hesitate to keep in touch on any issue of concern to you.


Sincerely,
Kay Bailey Hutchison

[forever_frost]

Eh, I guess this isn't great, but it's better than that cockbag Burgess:


I got the same letter. Damn, and here I was thinking I was special

[Chili]

Eh, I guess this isn't great, but it's better than that cockbag Burgess:

Russ Martin got that same letter like 3 years ago on a different topic. She doesn't read any of her mail.. Representative my ass..

[David]

Russ Martin got that same letter like 3 years ago on a different topic. She doesn't read any of her mail.. Representative my ass..
They're POS politicians, whatelse is new.

[jewozzy]

I agree this is important. But what is MORE IMPORTANT is Gov. Perry's willingness to remove all restrictions in the State for CHL holders. NO MORE RESTRICTIONS (and hopefully Open Carry to follow).

When contacting your reps, please ask them to support NO RESTRICTIONS on CHL Holders and mention the Right to Open Carry would go a very long way in deterring fools who want to commit carnage before they commit suicide.

this is not the way to go about doing this stuff shooting deaths are going to rise a lot with bar incidents. I support that schools and hospitals should allow chl carriers to be strapped but i dont agree with bar's. Thats not a good idea at all.

[Dacotua]

this is not the way to go about doing this stuff shooting deaths are going to rise a lot with bar incidents. I support that schools and hospitals should allow chl carriers to be strapped but i dont agree with bar's. Thats not a good idea at all.

Why not? I already carry at bars when the establishment profits are greater than 51%+ FROM FOOD.

You don't see a ton of shootings at TGIF, Hooters, Bennigans, etc...

[jewozzy]

Your not talking the same atmosphere. Im talking about somewhere like sherlocks or dukes something of that nature. Not where you can sit and chill out. Sure people get into it at hooters but not the same as haveing 300+ people standing and bumping into each other all night tensions are higher.

Being a police officer i have worked outside of bars where fights have started and its already hectic trying to take care of that now throw weapons into the mix. Is everyone going to use them? No, however the opprotunity is there and that is where trouble begins.

Like i said im in full support of hospitals and schools. I brought that up before in a different thread about how all employees there at schools should be able to carry so they can protect themselves and the students.

[Bruce Camp]

Its allready against the law to carry concealed while intoxicated. That law won't change. There are some times that I frequent a "bar", and I'm not drinking. I should be able to protect myself there, if need be. This bill will allow that. Those who are intoxicated while carrying, there are allready penalties for that.

I do agree that this bill if passed, will slightly increase the number of unjustified shootings, but my right to defend myself trumps that.

[EW]

this is not the way to go about doing this stuff shooting deaths are going to rise a lot with bar incidents. I support that schools and hospitals should allow chl carriers to be strapped but i dont agree with bar's. Thats not a good idea at all.
CHL holders will not have a problem. You are not supposed to have your weapon if you're drinking.

[jewozzy]

CHL holders will not have a problem. You are not supposed to have your weapon if you're drinking.

your not supposed to correct. however, if this law is put into place they will have to add provisions as to what is intoxicated is it going to be the same level as a dwi .08? or is it going to be the same level as a pi which can be any ammount as long as the person presents a danger to themself or the public. To get in some areas your going to have to give in others and i dont care what anyone says the only people in a bar that should be taking their weapons in are law enforcement and the bar owners/managers. your average citizen inside a bar shouldn't be taking a weapon in there. If it is bad enough that they feel they need to have on in there then i would say its time to choose another bar.

[Bruce Camp]

"If it is bad enough that they feel they need to have on in there then i would say its time to choose another bar. "

What a ridiculous statement. Should the Va Tech students have chosen another school? Should the Luby's patrons have chosen another resturaunt? Maybe that Ft Worth church was soooo bad ( where a guy just walked in and started shooting) , the members should have chosen another church?

If I knew what day I was going to need my weapon, I would just stay home that day. I carry a weapon for the same reason I wear my seatbelt. Because I don't know when I might need it, and when I do, its too late to put it on.

[jewozzy]

"If it is bad enough that they feel they need to have on in there then i would say its time to choose another bar. "

What a ridiculous statement. Should the Va Tech students have chosen another school? Should the Luby's patrons have chosen another resturaunt? Maybe that Ft Worth church was soooo bad ( where a guy just walked in and started shooting) , the members should have chosen another church?

If I knew what day I was going to need my weapon, I would just stay home that day. I carry a weapon for the same reason I wear my seatbelt. Because I don't know when I might need it, and when I do, its too late to put it on.

to answer your question...... YES "IF IT IS BAD ENOUGH THAT THEY FEEL THEY NEED TO CARRY A GUN THEN ITS TIME TO CHOOSE ANOTHER SCHOOL, LUBYS, OR CHURCH." But those examples you gave weren't really what i was gearing this towards. Shootings go on in hip hop clubs all the time does that mean everyone in there should get their CHL and be ready for when an idiot decides to start shooting?

I didn't say that having a weapon to protect yourself when some gutless coward attempts to shoot you is a bad idea. I said if you feel it is bad enough that you have to have it with you (i.e. the bar situation since thats the topic at hand) Like i said i am all for the other places just not bar's. Too much unneccisary bullshit goes on in bars and the adrennalin (sp? murdered that word) is already pumping high enough when you have those kinds of crowds around and something happens.

The only way i would possibly change my view on the bar issue is if they did some kind of "special training" though i dont know to what degree would make officers feel differently about it. Just because someone takes a test (sometimes a simple oral test at that) to get their CHL doesn't mean that they need to have the ability to carry it everywhere.

[Bruce Camp]

Sorry sir, but you are wrong. The Luby's shooting is a BIG reason Texas got the CHL to begin with. The majority decided that they should be able to eat in public and not be prevented from defending themselves when attacked.

After the DFW church shooting, a change in the rules was made, again because people decided they should be able to worship in church without being prevented from defending themselves when attacked.

Now we have a more open discussion about schools (colleges in particular), and other areas where law abiding civilians feel they should be able to defend themselves should a threat ever occur. The way things have been going in Texas lately, and knowing what a strong supporter Govenor Perry is of self protection rights, I have a feeling this new bill will also pass, given time.

You must be the only cop I know that doesnt carry a weapon, because you would never go anywhere there is a threat, and because you know where all threats occur all the time. I wish I had your ability to know where and when all threats to my life would occur, so I wouldn't need to wear a helmet, carry a gun, wear a seatbelt, or wear a vest at work. (sarcastic rant over).

Truth is, you don't know what training civilians have compared to your average cop. Do we compare a 15 year police SWAT veteran to my old grandmother? Or do we compare a 15 year licenced personal protective officer (still a civilian) to the drunk cop that beat the female bartender in Chicago recently? We can both cite stories that make both civilians, or cops look like incompetent idiots. There will always be extremes on both sides, but the real question is, that of the "average" person. Will the average cop be level headed enough to enter a bar and not feel the need to use unjustified force? I think so... And will the average CHL holder be able to do the same? Our tract record with the state says we will. Our votes and letters to our represenatives will secure that belief.

[That_Is_My_El_Camino]

People carry in restaurants, movie theaters, grocery stores, and the like all the time. Does this mean they're expecting to be shot at every time they go to one of these places? No, it means that they realize it is a possibility (as remote as it may be, it does and will continue happen) and want to insure themselves and those around them if something happens. Like Bruce said, we carry for that one unforeseeable instance where we'll need to. If we knew when and where we'd need a weapon, most of us would stay home. A bar's no different. You can drink, or you can carry; pick one or the other, but not both.

[Bruce Camp]

I hope my above post doesn't seem like a personal attack. Jewozzy has the same opinion as many people, and I feel his opinion is wrong, Im sure he's a good guy. I also don't want to take the thread too far off topic. I guess what it comes down to is, why would letting a CHL holder in a bar be an issue? He's not just anybody... Here's what we know about him:

#1 He's NOT intoxicated (that is allready aginst the law for him to do)

#2 Has NO felony convictions

#3 Has No class A or B misdemeanors in the last 5 years

#4 Has clean State and Federal fingerprint and background checks

#5 Has no delinquent conduct within the last 10 years

#6 Is not currently delinquent in state taxes, child support, or student loans.

#7 Has recieved training on when "use of force is justified", and is not.

There are more requirements, but I guess I would like to know, specifically, why the above person should not be allowed to carry a concealed handgun in an establishment that derives more then 51% of its revenue from alcohol sales.

http://www.texasshooting.com

[jewozzy]

first off i never said i dont carry my weapon with me. the only place my weapon doesn't go with me is in federal buildings simply because they will not allow it. So yes i take my weapon into bars with me when i go im also well versed in the law and know when i am intoxicated.

what you are saying about the rules on being intoxicated while carrying your CHL are interesting and what i said earlier in a post about how are we now going to judge someone inside a bar if they start allowing them to be carried? do we go off of the dwi standard or just the p.i. standard a special CHL standard or what? Im not saying that it doesn't happen but why wouldn't you drink in the bar and i dont quite understand the point of wanting to carry a gun in a bar that your not drinking in either? Though i would possibly concider an arguement for someone who is not drinking at all and carrying inside a bar i would almost agree that that would be ok though i'd still want extra training.

As for the resturants and movies and whatnot those are different situations from my point of view because the atmosphere isn't the same. You can't tell me that when you goto hooters and drink as opposed to going to dukes and drinking that there isn't a difference in the atmosphere.

Also you basicly said what i meant just in different words. Yes there are CHL holders who will be able to do the correct thing. However, if they are wanting to carry in bar's make it so there is some type of specialized training. Maybe some type of mental awareness, psych eval. or something. Im not saying peace officers are god but peace officers go through more training to deal with those type of situations. Also your not going to sit here and tell me that every person that has their CHL went through the correct type of school. I know many people that were given an oral test, 10 question test, or even just walked in knew the person teaching and got a CHL.

And we're not arguing just debating :)

[Bruce Camp]

"first off i never said i dont carry my weapon with me. the only place my weapon doesn't go with me is in federal buildings simply because they will not allow it. So yes i take my weapon into bars with me when i go im also well versed in the law and know when i am intoxicated"

This is my point exactly. What makes you so much better then, say for instance me? If I am well versed in the law (at least the laws concerning use of force and carrying a concealed weapon), and I know when I am intoxicated then why wouldn't I be trusted to carry a weapon in a bar? I can assure you my background is cleaner then most, I have never , ever, even been arrested, or detained for that matter. Rarely do I visit "bars" but sometimes meet with friends (maybe twice a year), and I'm not a big drinker either, so usually dont drink at all, or maybe have one beer with a meal. But for some reason, you feel I would be inclined to shoot the place up, if I were armed. That's just not reality.

With the background and criminal check that CHLers must go through, its just not fair to assume they would become drunken and unruley anytime they stepped in a bar. The statistics just dont support that. And remember we aren't just talking about the gang-banger hip hop bars you are picturing. We are talking about any establishment that makes more then 51% of its revenue from alcohol sales. That includes alot of places that we probably wouldnt consider as being "bars".

Now I do agree there should be a standard for determining "intoxication" when it comes to CHLers. But thats a whole new can of worms, and I'm sure everyone understands how difficult that is to really determine. I would support a fair way of determining intoxication, without the "human error" factor we have in the current system used for DUI charges, etc.

I think you are just worrying alot about nothing. Remember when the assault weapons ban was passed? Millions of lives were gonna be saved! It was funny to see it had no effect on violent crime stats. Remember when it was repealed? Cries from the left that the streets would flow with the blood of children when everyone bought thier AK47's. Well, thats hasn't quite come to pass either.

I bet if and when this bill is passed it wont big a big deal at all. Sure there will be a few violations reported each year, but on a whole they won't be that significant.

[Dacotua]

first off i never said i dont carry my weapon with me. the only place my weapon doesn't go with me is in federal buildings simply because they will not allow it. So yes i take my weapon into bars with me when i go im also well versed in the law and know when i am intoxicated.

what you are saying about the rules on being intoxicated while carrying your CHL are interesting and what i said earlier in a post about how are we now going to judge someone inside a bar if they start allowing them to be carried? do we go off of the dwi standard or just the p.i. standard a special CHL standard or what? Im not saying that it doesn't happen but why wouldn't you drink in the bar and i dont quite understand the point of wanting to carry a gun in a bar that your not drinking in either? Though i would possibly concider an arguement for someone who is not drinking at all and carrying inside a bar i would almost agree that that would be ok though i'd still want extra training.

As for the resturants and movies and whatnot those are different situations from my point of view because the atmosphere isn't the same. You can't tell me that when you goto hooters and drink as opposed to going to dukes and drinking that there isn't a difference in the atmosphere.

Also you basicly said what i meant just in different words. Yes there are CHL holders who will be able to do the correct thing. However, if they are wanting to carry in bar's make it so there is some type of specialized training. Maybe some type of mental awareness, psych eval. or something. Im not saying peace officers are god but peace officers go through more training to deal with those type of situations. Also your not going to sit here and tell me that every person that has their CHL went through the correct type of school. I know many people that were given an oral test, 10 question test, or even just walked in knew the person teaching and got a CHL.

And we're not arguing just debating :)

Just a fact:

I've seen a video of a cop beating the hell out of a female bartender (Was on national news). By your own statement and the fact of that video, cops shouldn't carry their weapons in bars either. They can't be trusted. Just ask that female bartender.

Out of all the LEGAL Fully automatic weapons purchased by the population (Going through the back ground check, paying the 200 dollar tax, etc..)... Only ONE has been used in a crime... That person was a COP. Why did I bring this up? Because you have to go through the same background check as someone going through a CHL Class. Difference is the cop that did the crime just had his "Boss" (CLEO), sign his application.

Cops are not above the law, and if a average "joe" that goes through the CHL process has the license, he should be able to carry anywhere.

[jewozzy]

negative. chl users do not go through the same style of training that leo's do nor the the extent. I said last time that if someone was not drinking at all i would see where that would be different. and also said i will support it if they are to go through some sort of specialized training.

the difference between if i take my gun into a bar and if you took your gun into a bar is i can enforce law and you cannot. that is the single reason i take mine inside a bar. the chicago officer was an isolated incident just like there are chl members who were arrested for not carring their weapon correctly, not presenting their chl while having their weapon with them, or carrying it in an establishment where they are not allowed (because ive arrested people for two of the above reasons). we can continue the arguement all day but the view of most officers (and suprising if you ask a lot of CHL instructors) they will agree with me as to the bars. A buddy of mine who is a civilian at the department is a CHL instructor and we spoke about this in our last union meeting and he concured about the bars.

[Dacotua]

negative. chl users do not go through the same style of training that leo's do nor the the extent. I said last time that if someone was not drinking at all i would see where that would be different. and also said i will support it if they are to go through some sort of specialized training.

the difference between if i take my gun into a bar and if you took your gun into a bar is i can enforce law and you cannot. that is the single reason i take mine inside a bar. the chicago officer was an isolated incident just like there are chl members who were arrested for not carring their weapon correctly, not presenting their chl while having their weapon with them, or carrying it in an establishment where they are not allowed (because ive arrested people for two of the above reasons). we can continue the arguement all day but the view of most officers (and suprising if you ask a lot of CHL instructors) they will agree with me as to the bars. A buddy of mine who is a civilian at the department is a CHL instructor and we spoke about this in our last union meeting and he concured about the bars.

Chicago cop was not a isolated incident. I can quote many incidents.

Such as a copy recently busted for stealing a lot of mary jane and made brownies with it.. He got caught.

There are countless number of cops that have been found corrupt and doing illegal things. More so than CHL holders have done.

Law enforcement has been corrupt ever since its creation. Look at history, there have been many cops that have taken bribes and helped criminals.

[OC]

the difference between if i take my gun into a bar and if you took your gun into a bar is i can enforce law and you cannot.

Now are you working security at the bar, or are you gonna down a few and then walk over and quote the law/enfore the law to somebody? I am kind of lost since you you would be P.I. or at the D.U.I. level by then. So if you have been drinking would the arrest stand if that was brought up?