Government must deal with greenhouse gases: US Supreme Court

[TexasDevilDog]

http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=070402160408.i1mdzqip&show_article=1

Fine, raise the gas tax $3 a gallon and get the poor people off the road, so I can drive 60mph at 4pm.

[46Tbird]

"Because greenhouse gases fit well within the Clean Air Act's capacious definition of 'air pollutant' we hold that EPA has the statutory authority to regulate the emission of such gases from new motor vehicles," the court ruled. Ummm... what's news here? :confused:

Looks like the EPA just verified that they do in fact have the authority to fuck with you about your catalytic converters. I guess that was in question?

[TexasDevilDog]

Ummm... what's news here? :confused:

Looks like the EPA just verified that they do in fact have the authority to fuck with you about your catalytic converters. I guess that was in question?

hmm, it refers to CO2 being regulated as a pollutant.

[MouseKiller]

hmm, it refers to CO2 being regulated as a pollutant.

What about the original greenhouse gas....good old H2O?

[Stevo]

I envision personal emission devices mandated soon if these retarded libs are continued free reign. :mad:

Stevo

[Mustangman_2000]

good read.

just like the article says that is a blow to the white house because they don't want tough industry regulations that would reduce the bottom line of the mainstream energy providers.

one good thing about this is it could be a motivating factor to accelerate growth of alternative energy providers.

[GhostTX]

good read.

just like the article says that is a blow to the white house because they don't want tough industry regulations that would reduce the bottom line of the mainstream energy providers.

one good thing about this is it could be a motivating factor to accelerate growth of alternative energy providers.
Get ready to watch your electric, natural gas, and any other energy you consume price to increase as business passes off the those regulation expenses to you.

It could motivate alternate energy...but we're still a long way from any form of mass replacement/change.

I look forward to a CO2 tax based on what engines I own. Car...lawnmower...etc. Will they charge me for mulch piles? What if I'm a farmer? My cattle? (http://www.iol.co.za/index.php?set_id=1&click_id=31&art_id=qw1164822660819B245)

[mikeb]

More taxes & fines for the government, higher costs for everything, and thus less money for you and I and businesses to spend. Less ability to compete in the global market. More manufacturing moving offshore to avoid new EPA regs, higher unemployment.

And this is good how?

There goes the economy.

[46Tbird]

More taxes & fines for the government, higher costs for everything, and thus less money for you and I and businesses to spend. Less ability to compete in the global market. More manufacturing moving offshore to avoid new EPA regs, higher unemployment.

And this is good how?

There goes the economy.Nah Mike, you got this all wrong man. We'll have windmills, and you know how everyone loves windmills.

[usmcluke]

Nah Mike, you got this all wrong man. We'll have windmills, and you know how everyone loves windmills.
Windmills decimate thousands and thousands of birds every year. Save the air but kill all that fly in it. Knee jerk bullshit.

I see the sarcasim btw. :D

[Casper]

I envision personal emission devices mandated soon if these retarded libs are continued free reign. :mad:

Stevo

No, just taxes on the air you breathe.

[AL P]

Nah Mike, you got this all wrong man. We'll have windmills, and you know how everyone loves windmills.

They also ruled that everyone gets free puppies....

[TheAsp!]

We are going to have to deal with it sooner or later. Personally, I'd prefer to see the government deal with it at the manufacturing level. I think its preposterous to try to deal with people's cars one by one. That is how we ended up tailpipe testing a gozillion cars each year, which I fully expect to pass with a blown 351.

The population of the world WILL double from 2000 to 2050 and er'body will own cars and use at least the same amount of electricity as we do today. The magnitude of the problem is overwhelming. Step back and look at the picture again with twice the people on the roads, twice the people in the hospitals, twice the sewage, twice the water useage, twice everything!

Big business can turn out 'negawatts' at a cheaper rate than the average consumer could ever hope to contribute through conservation, etc.

[46Tbird]

Nothing wrong with that, but where are the regulations for the developing countries with high populations? They're sitting back and laughing at our self-incurred emissions policy while they just dump emissions and toxins without a care.

[GhostTX]

I just wanna know how someone is going to have combustion without creating CO2.

[mikeb]

I'm all for reasonable measures that reduce pollution. We've come a long way since leaded gasoline, rivers aflame from the pollutants in them, and smokestacks belching out who knows what while kids play in soils containing dioxin.

The problem I have is when did CO2 become "pollution"? Because of a *theory*? And where are the hard metrics in this discussion? For example, if the US adopts protocol "x" then where is the hard proof that "y" amount of CO2 will not be released, giving "z" benefit?

You have to look beyond the rhetoric and follow the money. The solution that you will hear proposed is "carbon credits" that you can "buy". And who gets the money? And how does moving money around affect CO2 emissions? And who benefits from the economic disruption that the developed countries will encounter trying to follow these policies? There is a man behind the curtain IMO.

[White trash wagon]

I envision personal emission devices mandated soon if these retarded libs are continued free reign. :mad:

Stevo


The US Supreme Court is 80% Republican................

[01WhiteCobra]

Fuck, man, I have some green house gasses at the moment. Maybe some senators want to look at my bung hole.

Black bean salad for lunch.

[Stevo]

The US Supreme Court is 80% Republican................


How is that relevant, I mentioned flaming liberals, not the Supreme Court. :rolleyes:

Stevo

[Mustangman_2000]

I just wanna know how someone is going to have combustion without creating CO2.

hydrogen powered cars have been proven to work, but there just isn't any infrastructure in place to make them practical right now.

and in theory you could drink what comes out of the exhaust pipe of a hydrogen car.

[Mustangman_2000]

How is that relevant, I mentioned flaming liberals, not the Supreme Court. :rolleyes:

Stevo

probably because you made the liberals having free reign comment in a thread about a supreme court ruling.

and the majority of those are republican.

[99SVTour]

If we'd let the people in third world countries die instead of giving them just enough aid to procreate to the ripe old age of 40 the earth's population and it's waste/bi-products would be easily managed by the planet itself.

[Denny]

If we'd let the people in third world countries die instead of giving them just enough aid to procreate to the ripe old age of 40 the earth's population and it's waste/bi-products would be easily managed by the planet itself.
Why can't more people see this? Really!

[Denny]

hydrogen powered cars have been proven to work, but there just isn't any infrastructure in place to make them practical right now.

and in theory you could drink what comes out of the exhaust pipe of a hydrogen car.
I think you already do.

[GhostTX]

hydrogen powered cars have been proven to work, but there just isn't any infrastructure in place to make them practical right now.

and in theory you could drink what comes out of the exhaust pipe of a hydrogen car.
How about viable combustion. Last I checked, hydrogen was a negative energy fuel. Meaning it takes more energy to make hydrogen than it produces.

[Sean88gt]

good read.

just like the article says that is a blow to the white house because they don't want tough industry regulations that would reduce the bottom line of the mainstream energy providers.

one good thing about this is it could be a motivating factor to accelerate growth of alternative energy providers.


It will stimulate negative growth and absolutely gut the economy.