View Full Version : Deadline Set For Attack On Iran?
Stang Seller
03-30-2007, 08:22 PM
Since nobody has posted this up I thought I would. It doesn't seem to show up on google when you just click on the news, but a specific search brings back a whole slew of responses.
http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&ned=us&q=attack+iran&btnG=Search+News
Looks like there MIGHT be a date of April 6th set, according to these various but mainly Russian sources. Also, we're all aware of the heightened activity in the Gulf by American forces and the presence of so many naval units.
Now, without name calling and the typical "let's nuke em all" crap I'm wondering what you think will happen. Do you think the US will simply try to cripple the military or try to completely wipe out the economy by destroying targets much like Israel did to Lebanon in '06?? Do you think they will launch an attack by air or on land as well? Do you think Iran will retaliate by attacking Iraq or Afghanistan? I'm just curious to see what you guys think of this situation since I haven't seen any news reports on it popping up.
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Phillystang
03-30-2007, 08:26 PM
heresay and speculation for now...
will Israel allow Iran to go nuclear, not a chance...
Stang Seller
03-30-2007, 08:28 PM
heresay and speculation for now...
will Israel allow Iran to go nuclear, not a chance...
That's a given, and obviously this is an Israeli orchestrated attack...... provided there is such an attack. But Israel cannot directly confront Iran because all of the Arab countries would have reason to attack and would love that opportunity.
Whether it is speculation or not, what do you think might happen and how? I'm just curious as I have family in Iran and I'm wondering how this might affect my relatives.
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mikeb
03-30-2007, 08:33 PM
Given that the dems are trying to chop additional funding for the current effort in Iraq (as existing funds are running out) i'd be surprised to see the US launching any kind of fresh initiative against Iran at the moment.
IMO sooner or later Israel will lob a few of their ground penatrating nukes at Iran's nuke facilities and take care of the problem.
01WhiteCobra
03-30-2007, 08:54 PM
Lots of stellar news agencies on that Google search, lemme tell ya'!
nothing is going to happen...
Stang Seller
03-30-2007, 08:56 PM
Lots of stellar news agencies on that Google search, lemme tell ya'!
Hehe, I didnt notice that. They do sound kinda bogus.
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Walsted
03-30-2007, 09:25 PM
I don't think the US would start an offensive on the night of April 5th/6th. There isn't any pressing need for an attack that soon, if at all at this point.
If we get to pick dates for a pool, I would take April or May 17th.
Fobra
03-31-2007, 01:50 AM
If we get to pick dates for a pool, I would take April or May 17th.
based on what?
99SVTour
03-31-2007, 02:52 AM
We wont do anything on our own. At this point if something were to begin it's going to be initiated by Britain. Bush has fucked up on a lot, but he's not dumb enough to start another war based on non-American hostages.
I think this will end peacefully but I'm nearly too drunk to type so I'll get into that later.
don't hate because I have good grammar when I'm drunk bitches! :D
Walsted
03-31-2007, 05:19 AM
based on what?
Would you believe me if I said Astrology?
SlowLX
03-31-2007, 05:33 AM
That's a given, and obviously this is an Israeli orchestrated attack...... provided there is such an attack. But Israel cannot directly confront Iran because all of the Arab countries would have reason to attack and would love that opportunity.
Whether it is speculation or not, what do you think might happen and how? I'm just curious as I have family in Iran and I'm wondering how this might affect my relatives.
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my god I've kept quite through most of this shit latley, but the anti-zionism shit is just retarded. As sympathetic as we are to Israel this isn't the way things go down we don't listen to them, they don't listen to us we just give them stuff since the 70s btw not since its conception like everyone thinks.
This has nothing to do with my avatar
01WhiteCobra
03-31-2007, 08:48 AM
they don't listen to us we just give them stuff since the 70s btw not since its conception like everyone thinks.
Try 1949.
Stang Seller
03-31-2007, 09:19 AM
my god I've kept quite through most of this shit latley, but the anti-zionism shit is just retarded. As sympathetic as we are to Israel this isn't the way things go down we don't listen to them, they don't listen to us we just give them stuff since the 70s btw not since its conception like everyone thinks.
This has nothing to do with my avatar
Anti Zionism is well founded and more people should participate. I say death to all Zionists. At least thats one point where my crazy President and I agree.
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mikeb
03-31-2007, 09:39 AM
Anti Zionism is well founded and more people should participate. I say death to all Zionists. At least thats one point where my crazy President and I agree.
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Please expand on these statements. I would like to understand your reasoning.
Stang Seller
03-31-2007, 09:51 AM
Please expand on these statements. I would like to understand your reasoning.
No problem. Before I begin, I would like to reiterate that I have no problems with Jewish people and I hold them in the highest regard. I have several Jewish friends, and I even train with an Israeli.
To me Zionists are just as bad as Muslim extremists, except they are better equipped. I believe the taking of the land from Palestine to create Israel is a sham, this is the first time in history a land was simply taken from its people and given to another. How is it that the people of Israel have prospered so much in the last half century and the Palestinians have gone into more decay and despair?
The Zionists are killing Palestinians, and they must be stopped. The Zionists in Israel have running water, electricity, food, shelter, top notch hospitals while the Palestinian children are being killed on a 5:1 ratio. Israeli forces continue to occupy and expand into Palestinian territory, and there is no sign of slowing down. The United States has vetoed every time at the UN, without exception, in favour of Israel. Israel has nuclear power, but does not sign the Non Proliferation Treaty. All of these things are the reasons why Zionists must be stopped. It's perfectly fine to live in the land of Palestine side by side with Muslims, in peace. But the theft of their land and killing of their mothers and children must stop. The only way to stop it, is by killing the Zionists. Those who believe they are entitled by God to take this land by any means necessary. They are the true terrorists.
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Vertnut
03-31-2007, 09:57 AM
No problem. Before I begin, I would like to reiterate that I have no problems with Jewish people and I hold them in the highest regard. I have several Jewish friends, and I even train with an Israeli.
To me Zionists are just as bad as Muslim extremists, except they are better equipped. I believe the taking of the land from Palestine to create Israel is a sham, this is the first time in history a land was simply taken from its people and given to another. How is it that the people of Israel have prospered so much in the last half century and the Palestinians have gone into more decay and despair?
The Zionists are killing Palestinians, and they must be stopped. The Zionists in Israel have running water, electricity, food, shelter, top notch hospitals while the Palestinian children are being killed on a 5:1 ratio. Israeli forces continue to occupy and expand into Palestinian territory, and there is no sign of slowing down. The United States has vetoed every time at the UN, without exception, in favour of Israel. Israel has nuclear power, but does not sign the Non Proliferation Treaty. All of these things are the reasons why Zionists must be stopped. It's perfectly fine to live in the land of Palestine side by side with Muslims, in peace. But the theft of their land and killing of their mothers and children must stop. The only way to stop it, is by killing the Zionists. Those who believe they are entitled by God to take this land by any means necessary. They are the true terrorists.
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Interesting...So Israel has nuclear weapons, but hasn't used them. Do you think that if Muslim extremists' had nuclear weapons, you could say the same for them? That is where the big difference is between the two.
Casper
03-31-2007, 10:24 AM
Since nobody has posted this up I thought I would. It doesn't seem to show up on google when you just click on the news, but a specific search brings back a whole slew of responses.
http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&ned=us&q=attack+iran&btnG=Search+News
Looks like there MIGHT be a date of April 6th set, according to these various but mainly Russian sources. Also, we're all aware of the heightened activity in the Gulf by American forces and the presence of so many naval units.
Now, without name calling and the typical "let's nuke em all" crap I'm wondering what you think will happen. Do you think the US will simply try to cripple the military or try to completely wipe out the economy by destroying targets much like Israel did to Lebanon in '06?? Do you think they will launch an attack by air or on land as well? Do you think Iran will retaliate by attacking Iraq or Afghanistan? I'm just curious to see what you guys think of this situation since I haven't seen any news reports on it popping up.
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I se shipping halted, Turkey closing the pipes as payback, Russia halting nuke assistance and a real bona-fide internal uprising betwen the military and the imams. No shock and awe required. Inflation cheapens American goods, Europe goes into stagfation, Japan takes over the Chinese markets via oil pipeline leases and the US starts seling more goods at home.
mikeb
03-31-2007, 10:34 AM
To address the quality of life issue - ya gotta put the guns down and become a responsible member of the international community before prosperity will arrive. You can look around today and see any number of countries that have chosen war as their preferred way of life and every one of them has slid into ruin. Palestine had the chance for prosperity and peace when the international community agreed to all of arafat's demands; all he had to do was sign a treaty - and he decided not to do so. He chose war over peace.
As far as kids getting shot - that's pretty simple. Stop shooting your own guns and they'll stop shooting back.
Casper
03-31-2007, 10:44 AM
I believe the taking of the land from Palestine to create Israel is a sham, this is the first time in history a land was simply taken from its people and given to another. How is it that the people of Israel have prospered so much in the last half century and the Palestinians have gone into more decay and despair?
While I am sympathetic to some of your feelings, I would like to point out that most of the palestinians were "herded" into the region as refugees of the arab states and are continualy exploited by them as well. I wonder if the number of non-jews in Israel today is more than existed in the same region in 1949? By simple numbers no one has been pushed "out". That is a gross generalization but at 5:1 loses how do they continue to increase faster?
And lol@ the idea this is new. What is new is the idea of aboriginal rights, which started in the later 19th century and continues to be a force today. Real or perceived, the "ancestral homeland" idea would not fly until colonialism started to die off. Thank US foreign policy for that one. Consider the Philippines and how that was handled.
Stang Seller
03-31-2007, 11:25 AM
Interesting...So Israel has nuclear weapons, but hasn't used them. Do you think that if Muslim extremists' had nuclear weapons, you could say the same for them? That is where the big difference is between the two.
This is an apples to oranges type of problem. We cannot draw a direct comparison of the two, because the Muslim Extremists are not surrounded by Zionists. The Zionists are surrounded by Muslims.
That being said, if the Muslims were in Israel and surrounded by Zionists then I do not think they would use the weapons either.
However, if the Muslims did have these weapons today, in todays circumstances, they would most definitely use them.
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Stang Seller
03-31-2007, 11:28 AM
To address the quality of life issue - ya gotta put the guns down and become a responsible member of the international community before prosperity will arrive. You can look around today and see any number of countries that have chosen war as their preferred way of life and every one of them has slid into ruin. Palestine had the chance for prosperity and peace when the international community agreed to all of arafat's demands; all he had to do was sign a treaty - and he decided not to do so. He chose war over peace.
As far as kids getting shot - that's pretty simple. Stop shooting your own guns and they'll stop shooting back.
Fair enough. But do you realize what you have just said resembles America perfectly? America has chosen war with more countries over the last 50 years than any other. America suffers from so many internal problems, corruption, unprecedented murder rates and racism/stereotypes than any other country in the world. It's easy to point out other peoples errors, but not so easy to follow your own advice.
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Stang Seller
03-31-2007, 11:39 AM
While I am sympathetic to some of your feelings, I would like to point out that most of the palestinians were "herded" into the region as refugees of the arab states and are continualy exploited by them as well. I wonder if the number of non-jews in Israel today is more than existed in the same region in 1949? By simple numbers no one has been pushed "out". That is a gross generalization but at 5:1 loses how do they continue to increase faster?
And lol@ the idea this is new. What is new is the idea of aboriginal rights, which started in the later 19th century and continues to be a force today. Real or perceived, the "ancestral homeland" idea would not fly until colonialism started to die off. Thank US foreign policy for that one. Consider the Philippines and how that was handled.
That is not necessarily true. Though some of them were expelled from countries like Syria, they were not herded in. Most of the Palestinians were pushed out of their homes in modern day Israel into current day West Bank and Gaza Strip. And at the time that Israel was founded, most of the Arab countries started to expel the Jews and they all "herded" into Palestine.
The underlying fact is that Israel is committing mass genocide against the people of Palestine. Nobody is willing to help them, everyone is willing to call them terrorists and put sanctions on them but Israel has received more "aid" from America than any single country in the history of the world. Israel, which needs no aid, receives more of your tax dollars than any other country in the world. Israel, which has nuclear weapons and American planes and weapons, receives aid from the US. I do not understand this.
This has nothing to do with aboriginal rights, since when has it been acceptable to gain land and territory without war? Since when has it been ok to simply take someones land away and issue it to someone else. If the Jews needed a home, why not take some land from Poland and Germany where they had already been living for so long to create the land of the jews? Zionists have infiltrated many governing bodies, they continually exploit the American people government and politicians, and they were able to use the Holocaust to benefit for themselves a way to steal land by using their leverage in banks and financial institutions. Yeah yeah, I know conspiracy theories. But do you have any other way to explain why America always vetoes UN resolutions in favour of Israel?
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SlowLX
03-31-2007, 11:52 AM
Try 1949.
Our massive gifts of military aid didnt start until upto and after the yom kippor (sp)
war. Before that Israel's main benifactor was France. That is where they got their first tanks, planes, and nuclear reactor from. England also gave Israel some military aid in the 50s for participating in the the Anglo/French plan to push Nasser out of the Suez. JFK considered giving substantial military aid but got wacked, LBJ tried to use the idea of weaponry as a carrot to dangle in front of the israeli's, Nixon decided to give in on the advice of kissenger finally in hopes that Israel would listen to america and be more lenient in its peace settlements with Egypt.
Casper
03-31-2007, 11:55 AM
Because the zionists are taking over the NWO.
Really, it isn't hard to understand. Israel gets aid, Israel buys US equipment. Pretty cozy. And their recent debacle is a great metaphor for not puling out of Iraq. We destroyed infrastructure, and we are rebuilding it. Should we be like the Israelis?
Casper
03-31-2007, 11:56 AM
Our massive gifts of military aid didnt start until upto and after the yom kippor (sp)
war. Before that Israel's main benifactor was France. That is where they got their first tanks, planes, and nuclear reactor from. England also gave Israel some military aid in the 50s for participating in the the Anglo/French plan to push Nasser out of the Suez. JFK considered giving substantial military aid but got wacked, LBJ tried to use the idea of weaponry as a carrot to dangle in front of the israeli's, Nixon decided to give in on the advice of kissenger finally in hopes that Israel would listen to america and be more lenient in its peace settlements with Egypt.
Egypt, who is second in US aid only to Israel. And not a Rusian ally anymore.
SlowLX
03-31-2007, 11:58 AM
This is an apples to oranges type of problem. We cannot draw a direct comparison of the two, because the Muslim Extremists are not surrounded by Zionists. The Zionists are surrounded by Muslims.
That being said, if the Muslims were in Israel and surrounded by Zionists then I do not think they would use the weapons either.
However, if the Muslims did have these weapons today, in todays circumstances, they would most definitely use them.
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That and the fact that Israel signed a treaty with the United States stating it would not be the first to introduce nuclear weapons into the region(use them) so because of this they didnt signt he npt so that they could still develop weapon for defensive purposes IE they still havent used them.
SlowLX
03-31-2007, 12:00 PM
Egypt, who is second in US aid only to Israel. And not a Rusian ally anymore.
well they were at the time mr smarty pants
01WhiteCobra
03-31-2007, 12:03 PM
Our massive gifts of military aid didnt start until upto and after the yom kippor (sp)
war. Before that Israel's main benifactor was France. That is where they got their first tanks, planes, and nuclear reactor from. England also gave Israel some military aid in the 50s for participating in the the Anglo/French plan to push Nasser out of the Suez. JFK considered giving substantial military aid but got wacked, LBJ tried to use the idea of weaponry as a carrot to dangle in front of the israeli's, Nixon decided to give in on the advice of kissenger finally in hopes that Israel would listen to america and be more lenient in its peace settlements with Egypt.
You didn't say that. I stand by the date of when we started giving money to Israel.
SlowLX
03-31-2007, 12:03 PM
That is not necessarily true. Though some of them were expelled from countries like Syria, they were not herded in. Most of the Palestinians were pushed out of their homes in modern day Israel into current day West Bank and Gaza Strip. And at the time that Israel was founded, most of the Arab countries started to expel the Jews and they all "herded" into Palestine.
The underlying fact is that Israel is committing mass genocide against the people of Palestine. Nobody is willing to help them, everyone is willing to call them terrorists and put sanctions on them but Israel has received more "aid" from America than any single country in the history of the world. Israel, which needs no aid, receives more of your tax dollars than any other country in the world. Israel, which has nuclear weapons and American planes and weapons, receives aid from the US. I do not understand this.
This has nothing to do with aboriginal rights, since when has it been acceptable to gain land and territory without war? Since when has it been ok to simply take someones land away and issue it to someone else. If the Jews needed a home, why not take some land from Poland and Germany where they had already been living for so long to create the land of the jews? Zionists have infiltrated many governing bodies, they continually exploit the American people government and politicians, and they were able to use the Holocaust to benefit for themselves a way to steal land by using their leverage in banks and financial institutions. Yeah yeah, I know conspiracy theories. But do you have any other way to explain why America always vetoes UN resolutions in favour of Israel?
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First off the UN partition left plenty of room for palestinians to create their own country, it was after the local arab nations invaded israel that they took over the palestinians lands as conquered territory.
Second point, There were plenty of Jews still living in the area before the the formation of ISrael. And do you not see the Jews as people from that land because of the diaspora?
SlowLX
03-31-2007, 12:05 PM
You didn't say that. I stand by the date of when we started giving money to Israel.
well yea even the soviet union gave aid to Israel when it was concieved, but the amount of money spent there was pennies compared until Gola Mier became Prime Minister all though she is a cunt that set back peace settlement with egypt nearly 10 years
Casper
03-31-2007, 12:09 PM
well they were at the time mr smarty pants
Yeah, my point. Not only non-marxist today, but still secular too. Not exactly a waste IMO.
Stang Seller
03-31-2007, 12:09 PM
First off the UN partition left plenty of room for palestinians to create their own country, it was after the local arab nations invaded israel that they took over the palestinians lands as conquered territory.
Second point, There were plenty of Jews still living in the area before the the formation of ISrael. And do you not see the Jews as people from that land because of the diaspora?
Since when does the UN have the right to split up a land and give more than half to the minority religious group???
And second, just because there were Jews there does not entitle them to ownership of the land just because they were from there 2000 years ago!! The Jews were a minority, then the Zionists started plotting a return to the land promised to them by God. And they stole that land, using thievery, deceipt and corruption. Israel has no right to exist. None of the wars they've won since 1948 are legitimate.
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Casper
03-31-2007, 12:21 PM
Since when does the UN have the right to split up a land and give more than half to the minority religious group???
And second, just because there were Jews there does not entitle them to ownership of the land just because they were from there 2000 years ago!! The Jews were a minority, then the Zionists started plotting a return to the land promised to them by God. And they stole that land, using thievery, deceipt and corruption. Israel has no right to exist. None of the wars they've won since 1948 are legitimate.
SS
I thought you said "aboriginal rights" (notice quotes) were not part of the politics? The majority Seph (white) jews did not come from arab expulsion. Why? Because of this "right of return" stuff. Welcome to Balfour post WWII. US policy has only had half a century to evolve since then. It's taken that long for the brand new country with the then-third-most-powerful-air-force to become a lacky of the US with virtually no military presence en masse. Give it time, Israel will weigh less on US policy after we annex Canada. Who completely mangled their position. And who just granted a whole state "aboriginal homeland" status, removing dissidents without a war and with the blesing of the UN.
SlowLX
03-31-2007, 12:29 PM
Since when does the UN have the right to split up a land and give more than half to the minority religious group???
And second, just because there were Jews there does not entitle them to ownership of the land just because they were from there 2000 years ago!! The Jews were a minority, then the Zionists started plotting a return to the land promised to them by God. And they stole that land, using thievery, deceipt and corruption. Israel has no right to exist. None of the wars they've won since 1948 are legitimate.
SS
Zionism for the most part started as a secular idea, much like the country of Israel so your religious comment is negated. The UN had the right to decide what to do with Palestine because it was still a british mandate left over from WW1 when the Ottoman empire who backed the Germans fell. And going back to the balfour declaration where the Jews were promised a section of land after the fall of the Ottomans. Israel snuck in just as the fall of colonialism was taking place.
mikeb
03-31-2007, 01:00 PM
America has chosen war with more countries over the last 50 years than any other.
Generally in response to the world community calling for a peacekeeping force, or in response to an attack, or to enforce a UN mandate, or to defend an ally, or perhaps to remove a despot. I have not noticed a 51st star being sewed on the US flag lately, nor have I seen a permanent US occupation of any country over the last 50 years. Hell, we rebuilt europe after WW2. I'm not saying the US has not been involved in some things that maybe we should have stayed out of, but we aren't acting like Genghis Khan either.
America suffers from so many internal problems, corruption, unprecedented murder rates and racism/stereotypes than any other country in the world.SS
Arguable, but whatever. There are certainly more people trying to get into the US than probably any other country in the world. That says something.
Casper
03-31-2007, 01:07 PM
There are certainly more people trying to get into the US than probably any other country in the world. That says something.
They want our big boobied women!
99SVTour
03-31-2007, 01:38 PM
Considering that the last great war is going to be fought over/in protection of Israel I'd say things are going pretty much exactly as one could expect them to go at this point in time.
I've also noticed an incredible amount of antisemitism being thrown around in the international forum, again, necessary for said war to happen.
With that said I cant recall a war or attempted extermination that the Jew's have not survived or even come out of with gains... I'm just sayin'
Stang Seller
03-31-2007, 03:05 PM
Considering that the last great war is going to be fought over/in protection of Israel I'd say things are going pretty much exactly as one could expect them to go at this point in time.
I've also noticed an incredible amount of antisemitism being thrown around in the international forum, again, necessary for said war to happen.
With that said I cant recall a war or attempted extermination that the Jew's have not survived or even come out of with gains... I'm just sayin'
Define anti-semitism.
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turbodave
03-31-2007, 03:06 PM
Nancy Pelosi gave Bush the green light to go to war with Iran a week ago when she bent over for her Jew puppet masters from AIPAC. Now Bush doesn't have to abide by the Constitution before taking us into a war. Pat Buchanan has a good write up about it.
http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=19891
99SVTour
04-01-2007, 02:28 AM
Define anti-semitism.
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Intense dislike for or prejudice against the Jews.
Vertnut
04-01-2007, 07:49 AM
Nancy Pelosi gave Bush the green light to go to war with Iran a week ago when she bent over for her Jew puppet masters from AIPAC. Now Bush doesn't have to abide by the Constitution before taking us into a war. Pat Buchanan has a good write up about it.
http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=19891
Great article, and it shows what inexperienced people in places of power, can do. The level of incompetence in Congress, has never been this high. It's the Dems baby now...be careful what you ask for, because you might get it.
Casper
04-01-2007, 11:20 AM
Intense dislike for or prejudice against the Jews.
That would be anti-semitism, not anti zionism.
Anti-zionism would be rejection of the idea that jews are somehow "special" and deserve a country based on mythology.
Stang Seller
04-01-2007, 12:01 PM
Intense dislike for or prejudice against the Jews.
Actually, Semites are people from that area including the people of Palestine and many other Arabic peoples. Would this term also refer to Jewish people from Brazil? Or perhaps Polish Jews?
The term Anti-Semitism would not refer to those people. So all of you guys who keep saying that you wish to bomb and kill all Palestinians, you're all Anti Semitic!
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turbodave
04-01-2007, 04:50 PM
From the Jerusalem Post: 'US ready to strike Iran on Good Friday'
http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1173879220977&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull
Fobra
04-01-2007, 06:08 PM
Would you believe me if I said Astrology?
Hobby of yours? Either way, we shall see.
Stang Seller
04-01-2007, 06:38 PM
Following up on someone who had asked me earlier of Iranians thoughts back home on the situation at hand. I was chatting with my cousin and uncle, among others, for a couple of hours today and I thought I'd ask directly about the current situation. If any of you care, I'll just basically sum it up.
I asked what they thought of the current situation with the 15 British soldiers, and they replied that they believed any trespassers should be dealt with accordingly. They said that they believe this is a set up by British and American forces, that they knowingly sent their forces into Iranian waters to be captured and to use it as an excuse to use military force against Iran. My cousin also stated that 3-4 times a year they hit the streets and demonstrate in protest to America's presence in the middle east.
I explained that when they protest and chant anti US slogans, that American people sit baffled behind their TV's wondering why these people hate them so much. That these sorts of things seen on American TV lead people to assume all Iranians are angry and terrorists at heart. They replied that the Iranian people view Americans the same way that Americans view them, as terrorists. They also added that its not just Iranians, but also Saudis/Iraqis/Syrians/Afghans and other Middle Eastern countries (that they or other family members have visited) view Americans as the terrorist.
They strongly believe that the Americans only want to do one thing in the middle east, which is to exploit the oil and all financial benefits for themselves. They also believe that Israel wishes to keep Iranian military power down as they are afraid of Iran, but they do not think Israel is the biggest problem. There was more but this is the short version. This was from my family in the south west corner of Iran, and it seems my family from all across the land seems to share similar views. My greatest concern is my home town of Arak, where one of the nuclear centers is located. If that is hit, it will most definitely affect my family directly.
In any case, just thought I'd share the sentiment from within Iran as you guys always seem to be getting an American viewpoint on things.
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Mach1Marauder
04-01-2007, 06:59 PM
Interesting...So Israel has nuclear weapons, but hasn't used them. Do you think that if Muslim extremists' had nuclear weapons, you could say the same for them? That is where the big difference is between the two.
Why are you trying to talk logical to that cockbite faggot Socialist canuk diaperhead? :confused:
Walsted
04-01-2007, 07:01 PM
Hobby of yours? Either way, we shall see.
Nope, not a hobby, just being a smart alec. I figure it wouldn't make sense for the US and/or UK to attack on a Christian holiday, though. It would be better to attack on one of their holidays, or show signs of an attack and do a different attack the next day. Friday would be a good day to declare an air and naval blockade, which is an act of war, but not a good day for a strike, in my opinion.
I'm probably wrong, though. I was a peon standing in the back of the room for a lot of mission briefs, but not the smart guy planning the brief.
Following up on someone who had asked me earlier of Iranians thoughts back home on the situation at hand. I was chatting with my cousin and uncle, among others, for a couple of hours today and I thought I'd ask directly about the current situation. If any of you care, I'll just basically sum it up.
I asked what they thought of the current situation with the 15 British soldiers, and they replied that they believed any trespassers should be dealt with accordingly. They said that they believe this is a set up by British and American forces, that they knowingly sent their forces into Iranian waters to be captured and to use it as an excuse to use military force against Iran. My cousin also stated that 3-4 times a year they hit the streets and demonstrate in protest to America's presence in the middle east.
I explained that when they protest and chant anti US slogans, that American people sit baffled behind their TV's wondering why these people hate them so much. That these sorts of things seen on American TV lead people to assume all Iranians are angry and terrorists at heart. They replied that the Iranian people view Americans the same way that Americans view them, as terrorists. They also added that its not just Iranians, but also Saudis/Iraqis/Syrians/Afghans and other Middle Eastern countries (that they or other family members have visited) view Americans as the terrorist.
They strongly believe that the Americans only want to do one thing in the middle east, which is to exploit the oil and all financial benefits for themselves. They also believe that Israel wishes to keep Iranian military power down as they are afraid of Iran, but they do not think Israel is the biggest problem. There was more but this is the short version. This was from my family in the south west corner of Iran, and it seems my family from all across the land seems to share similar views. My greatest concern is my home town of Arak, where one of the nuclear centers is located. If that is hit, it will most definitely affect my family directly.
In any case, just thought I'd share the sentiment from within Iran as you guys always seem to be getting an American viewpoint on things.
SS
Tell your family that its government should honor agreements that it signed. IE, the nuclear non-proliferation treaty. Then elect people who don't come across as wacked out religious fanatics as leaders. Then don't take soldiers and claim that it was some kind of "plant". I mean really, apply some second grade reasoning to the situation and realize that if Iran simply gave the soldiers back right now then the Great Satan would have no leverage to use in an attack on Iran. I mean, IF that bullshit tinfoil hat conspiracy theory spouted by the totalitarian religious regime were true in the first place.
Stang Seller, I feel no pity, sympathy, or any other compassionate emotion for you or your family. If you are worried about your family in Arak, tell them to move because sooner than later Iran is going to get a big, giant taste of US explosives...
Mach1Marauder
04-01-2007, 11:48 PM
Stang Seller, I feel no pity, sympathy, or any other compassionate emotion for you or your family. If you are worried about your family in Arak, tell them to move because sooner than later Iran is going to get a big, giant taste of US explosives...
Yep on ALL counts. ;)
Denny
04-02-2007, 06:18 AM
LMFAO @ the Can-Iranian using a Russian source for news. Jeez dude, I guess you not only get all their used, dilapidated military equipment, but you get their tabloid reports as well.
Anyway, you had better just pray that we do start an offensive on armpit of the world called Iran and you guys just take your ass-whippin' like good savages because any retalliation you try just might be enough of an excuse to have Israel level you. You know damned well they've been looking for an excuse and they can justifiably do it with any hiccup from Iran that they feel is offensive. They have that claim since the looney runnig Iran has been throwing out rediculous thraets (that we all know he can't back).
Religious preference aside, Israel could wipe out all you mecca-leccas without breaking a sweat. Most of you know that since you really haven't done shit, except a few annoying, chicken-shit bombings here and there.
Mach1Marauder
04-02-2007, 06:30 AM
LMMFAO @ "mecca-leccas"!!!!!!
636ryder
04-02-2007, 07:38 AM
Well I find the good friday attempt a tad hard to believe considering Israel is supposed to have a sitdown with several arab nations this week to work out the final details for them to be recognized by them and leave them(Israel) be.
mikeb
04-02-2007, 08:49 AM
Well I find the good friday attempt a tad hard to believe considering Israel is supposed to have a sitdown with several arab nations this week to work out the final details for them to be recognized by them and leave them(Israel) be.
If that agreement ever happens then it will truly be interesting times indeed......
636ryder
04-02-2007, 09:02 AM
If that agreement ever happens then it will truly be interesting times indeed......
From what I glanced over the meetings are to finalize whats on the table. So I guess the 2nd to last step. :confused:
Denny
04-02-2007, 11:00 AM
If that agreement ever happens then it will truly be interesting times indeed......
We know it's going to happen eventually, though ;)
mikeb
04-02-2007, 12:11 PM
We know it's going to happen eventually, though ;)
Sooner than you think :eek:
Denny
04-02-2007, 12:51 PM
Sooner than you think :eek:
Doesn't really matter to some of us. You can only be so ready.
openroadracer3
04-02-2007, 12:54 PM
I explained that when they protest and chant anti US slogans, that American people sit baffled behind their TV's wondering why these people hate them so much. That these sorts of things seen on American TV lead people to assume all Iranians are angry and terrorists at heart. They replied that the Iranian people view Americans the same way that Americans view them, as terrorists. They also added that its not just Iranians, but also Saudis/Iraqis/Syrians/Afghans and other Middle Eastern countries (that they or other family members have visited) view Americans as the terrorist.
They strongly believe that the Americans only want to do one thing in the middle east, which is to exploit the oil and all financial benefits for themselves. They also believe that Israel wishes to keep Iranian military power down as they are afraid of Iran, but they do not think Israel is the biggest problem. There was more but this is the short version. This was from my family in the south west corner of Iran, and it seems my family from all across the land seems to share similar views. My greatest concern is my home town of Arak, where one of the nuclear centers is located. If that is hit, it will most definitely affect my family directly.
In any case, just thought I'd share the sentiment from within Iran as you guys always seem to be getting an American viewpoint on things.
SS
my american viewpoint is this:
how many kidnappings and decapitations do you see here in the U.S. based on religion or nationality? none.
any Iranian or other camel jockey can come to this country and not feel in danger of being killed just because they were a diaper on their head. plain and simple.
the iranians and the like over there are only told what their government and religious leaders want them to know so they can keep their hatred up for a country they are in essence jealous of.
There will never be peace in the middle east and there never has been. if there wasn't the U.S. and Isreal to hate, they would just hate themselves just like the Sunni's and Shiites in iraq. it doesn't matter... they have been raised with a baby bottle in one hand and an AK-47 in the other for many decades... not just today.
i certainly hate muslims, but i know how to contain my hatred in a CIVALIZED way.... as most americans do.
can't say the same for the flag burning idiots in the middle east.
Denny
04-02-2007, 01:01 PM
There will never be peace in the middle east and there never has been. if there wasn't the U.S. and Isreal to hate, they would just hate themselves just like the Sunni's and Shiites in iraq. it doesn't matter... they have been raised with a baby bottle in one hand and an AK-47 in the other for many decades... not just today.
Right. Most just use religion as an excuse for what they do. Fucking savages.
Paladin
04-02-2007, 03:51 PM
Fair enough. But do you realize what you have just said resembles America perfectly? America has chosen war with more countries over the last 50 years than any other. America suffers from so many internal problems, corruption, unprecedented murder rates and racism/stereotypes than any other country in the world. It's easy to point out other peoples errors, but not so easy to follow your own advice.
SS
The country who tolerates every person and does not get any tolerance from any other country is full of corruption? Why is it that no one is dying (literally) to come into Canada, Iran, Iraq, Mexico, or any other country besides the U.S.?
BTW, violent crime is way down in this country, and all the internal problems are caused by our tolerance of peple like you who hate this country, not by those of us who love it.
You have sided with Palestinians and spoken some harsh citicism of Jews, so I wonder where your biases come from. It has been my position that until the Palestinians stop committing homicide bombings, nothing will change.
Paladin
04-02-2007, 04:01 PM
Since when does the UN have the right to split up a land and give more than half to the minority religious group???
And second, just because there were Jews there does not entitle them to ownership of the land just because they were from there 2000 years ago!! The Jews were a minority, then the Zionists started plotting a return to the land promised to them by God. And they stole that land, using thievery, deceipt and corruption. Israel has no right to exist. None of the wars they've won since 1948 are legitimate.
SS
I find it ironic that you called the U.S. racist when you beleive that Isreal does not have the right to exist.
Denny
04-02-2007, 04:03 PM
You have sided with Palestinians and spoken some harsh citicism of Jews, so I wonder where your biases come from. It has been my position that until the Palestinians stop committing homicide bombings, nothing will change.
I find it ironic that you called the U.S. racist when you beleive that Isreal does not have the right to exist.
Because he, along with most other savages from the area, are brainwashed at a young age.
Paladin
04-02-2007, 04:10 PM
Because he, along with most other savages from the area, are brainwashed at a young age.
I wonder if he will admit it.
lowthreeohz
04-02-2007, 04:17 PM
...subscribing.
I wonder if he will admit it.
Absolutely not. In the Middle East it is just fine to murder women and children to make a political statement. It is OK to kidnap people, hold them against their will. It is normal to proclaim that "Israel should be wiped off the map" or to sneak into Israel and kidnap people and then point your finger and claim that the Jews are the aggressors.
Essentially the middle east is full of fucking idiots who can't think for themselves and need an Imam to tell them what the truth is.
01WhiteCobra
04-02-2007, 05:26 PM
Iran ain't gonna do shit. They didn't want to comply with the OPEC output cuts and this little stunt increased oil prices much more than any silly production quota.
They'll drag this shit out and grab a few dollars more per barrel until the US and Britain get really tired of the shit. Then Iran will release them.
The Prime Dickhead of Iran said today "let's stop all this talk of aggression"... stalling like a motherfucker.
Iran ain't gonna do shit. They didn't want to comply with the OPEC output cuts and this little stunt increased oil prices much more than any silly production quota.
They'll drag this shit out and grab a few dollars more per barrel until the US and Britain get really tired of the shit. Then Iran will release them.
The Prime Dickhead of Iran said today "let's stop all this talk of aggression"... stalling like a motherfucker.
I'm amused that the fucking morons produce a ton of oil, can't refine it themselves and then think they are somehow going to hold the world hostage with an oil crisis.
At the end of the day when the chips are down their dumbass president knows he is holding a fucking pair of deuces and that's all he's got. This mother fucker makes Saddam Hussein look like a genius, no wonder Iraq made them their bitch for a decade.
lowthreeohz
04-02-2007, 05:38 PM
Iran ain't gonna do shit. They didn't want to comply with the OPEC output cuts and this little stunt increased oil prices much more than any silly production quota.
They'll drag this shit out and grab a few dollars more per barrel until the US and Britain get really tired of the shit. Then Iran will release them.
The Prime Dickhead of Iran said today "let's stop all this talk of aggression"... stalling like a motherfucker.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070402/ap_on_re_mi_ea/saudi_israel;_ylt=AgOgqDEZZ9sW4.9nutrue9jMWM0F
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070402/ap_on_re_mi_ea/saudi_israel;_ylt=AgOgqDEZZ9sW4.9nutrue9jMWM0F
Last time they gave them some land all they got was more bombs.
lowthreeohz
04-02-2007, 06:02 PM
Last time they gave them some land all they got was more bombs.
Yup. And it's not like Israel is a vast land to be given away, it's already the smallest country in the region by far.
mikeb
04-02-2007, 06:39 PM
I'm amused that the fucking morons produce a ton of oil, can't refine it themselves and then think they are somehow going to hold the world hostage with an oil crisis.
I was listening to the wells report on the way home and gingrich was on there pointing out that they only have one refinery in iran and it only makes 40% of the gas they need. It would be unfortunate if that refinery ran into "issues" and had to shut down.
I was listening to the wells report on the way home and gingrich was on there pointing out that they only have one refinery in iran and it only makes 40% of the gas they need. It would be unfortunate if that refinery ran into "issues" and had to shut down.
Issues = Tomahawk cruise missile
ceyko
04-02-2007, 07:01 PM
Generally in response to the world community calling for a peacekeeping force, or in response to an attack, or to enforce a UN mandate, or to defend an ally, or perhaps to remove a despot. I have not noticed a 51st star being sewed on the US flag lately, nor have I seen a permanent US occupation of any country over the last 50 years. Hell, we rebuilt europe after WW2. I'm not saying the US has not been involved in some things that maybe we should have stayed out of, but we aren't acting like Genghis Khan either.
Arguable, but whatever. There are certainly more people trying to get into the US than probably any other country in the world. That says something.
You saved me some typing and I was disappointed that no one covered this previously after the comments were made. You stated it very well.
Trip McNeely
04-03-2007, 01:05 PM
Now theyre saying they want some Iranian prisoners released for them to release the Brits. Aint that some bullshit. They are just asking for it now..
lowthreeohz
04-03-2007, 01:12 PM
Now theyre saying they want some Iranian prisoners released for them to release the Brits. Aint that some bullshit. They are just asking for it now..
They (we?) released the Iranian and his security forces in Iraq, today IIRC.
Trip McNeely
04-03-2007, 01:15 PM
They (we?) released the Iranian and his security forces in Iraq, today IIRC.
wtf? What happened to the not negotiating with terrorists policy? :confused: This is what pisses me off. Same shit happened with N Korea, except they wanted money and aid. Bribe us until we fold, this is the new trend. :rolleyes:
lowthreeohz
04-03-2007, 01:16 PM
wtf? What happened to the not negotiating with terrorists policy? :confused: This is what pisses me off. Same shit happened with N Korea, except they wanted money and aid. Bribe us until we fold, this is the new trend. :rolleyes:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070403/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iran_britain;_ylt=AjegAv7GeQ0Eos28bnElBmrMWM0F
that's what i took from it, at least.
Mach1Marauder
04-03-2007, 01:19 PM
Now theyre saying they want some Iranian prisoners released for them to release the Brits. Aint that some bullshit. They are just asking for it now..
Fuck the cockbite diaperheaded bastards!!!!! :mad:
The exchange was denied.
I just hope the bombing begins soon, I'm so ready to see Iran get the piss blown out of it.
lowthreeohz
04-03-2007, 01:24 PM
Who denied the exchange?
They released the Jilal Afifififificlickclick or whatever his name was yesterday.
Who denied the exchange?
They released the Jilal Afifififificlickclick or whatever his name was yesterday.
The diplomat was freed but we didn't hold him. He was kidnapped by Iraqis.
We said we are not releasing the five revolutionary guard members, it is on CNN.
lowthreeohz
04-03-2007, 01:28 PM
Can't watch cable @ work, but thanks for clarifying that.
Trip McNeely
04-03-2007, 01:37 PM
He was kidnapped by Iraqis.
Gee thats funny, they are the ones pushing that we release them. :rolleyes:
Mach1Marauder
04-03-2007, 02:17 PM
Bomb 'em all and let Allah sort 'em out!!!! :D ;)
Paladin
04-03-2007, 04:10 PM
Absolutely not. In the Middle East it is just fine to murder women and children to make a political statement. It is OK to kidnap people, hold them against their will. It is normal to proclaim that "Israel should be wiped off the map" or to sneak into Israel and kidnap people and then point your finger and claim that the Jews are the aggressors.
Essentially the middle east is full of fucking idiots who can't think for themselves and need an Imam to tell them what the truth is.
I agree completely.
BTW, where did stang seller go?
I agree completely.
BTW, where did stang seller go?
He probably got skull fucked too hard down at the Blue Oyster bar last night and can't see straight....
Casper
04-03-2007, 05:51 PM
He probably got skull fucked too hard down at the Blue Oyster bar last night and can't see straight....
I don't buy it. That never stopped him before....
01WhiteCobra
04-03-2007, 06:41 PM
I don't buy it. That never stopped him before....
Yea, but this time it was by a camel.
Denny
04-04-2007, 07:16 AM
His silence speaks louder than anything. LOL!
01WhiteCobra
04-04-2007, 08:26 AM
The rumor now is the President of Iran said he would release the hostages as a "gift to Britian".
LMAO.
Irani is to free the 15 UK sailors and marines taken captive a fortnight ago as a "gift" to Britain.
http://news.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,30000-1259008,00.html
Was the kidnapping of these servicemen also a gift?
I propose that we nuke Tehran and then as a "gift" we donate our piss to put it out.
Paladin
04-04-2007, 12:49 PM
Was the kidnapping of these servicemen also a gift?
I propose that we nuke Tehran and then as a "gift" we donate our piss to put it out.
You sure do have a way with words! LMAO!
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