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Strychnine
03-28-2007, 07:53 PM
http://www.mod.uk/DefenceInternet/DefenceNews/MilitaryOperations/ModBriefingShowsRoyalNavyPersonnelWereInIraqiWater s.htm


MOD briefing proves Royal Navy personnel were in Iraqi waters

28 Mar 07


The Ministry of Defence has presented evidence which shows that the fifteen personnel detained by Iranian authorities on Friday 23 March 2007 were operating in Iraqi waters when they were seized.

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Picture shows GPS location of the incident, as seen from a Royal Navy helicopter over the merchant vessel
[Picture: MOD]


The briefing, at defence headquarters in London, was given by Vice Admiral Charles Style, Deputy Chief of the Defence Staff (Commitments). Vice Admiral Style, who is responsible for providing strategic advice to operational commanders, explained in detail where the Royal Navy personnel were located when they were seized:

"The aim of this brief is to provide a factual account of the incident during which fifteen Royal Naval personnel were seized by the Iranians last Friday. By way of background, HMS CORNWALL was in charge of the coalition force, which - alongside the Iraqi Navy - is operating in the Northern Persian Gulf.

"This force maintains the sovereignty and integrity of Iraqi territorial waters under UN Security Council Resolution 1723, and with the approval of the Iraqi Government. The ship – and others in the coalition - maintain a presence patrolling there. They are also charged with protection of the Iraqi offshore oil infrastructure – economically very important - and the security of merchant vessels.

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Picture shows position of HMS Cornwall on Friday 23 March 2007
[Picture: MOD]
See Slide – chart of Northern Persian Gulf >>>


"On 23 March a boarding team consisting of seven Royal Marines and eight sailors - who were embarked in two of HMS CORNWALL's boats - conducted a routine boarding of an Indian flagged Merchant Vessel which was cooperative throughout. They investigated this vessel after witnessing her unloading cars into two barges secured alongside. Since early March the force has conducted 66 routine boardings. So the one that I'm talking about was entirely routine business, and conducted in a particular area where four other boardings have been completed recently.

"As shown on the chart, the merchant vessel was 7.5 nautical miles south east of the Al Faw Peninsula and clearly in Iraqi territorial waters. Her master has confirmed that his vessel was anchored within Iraqi waters at the time of the arrest. The position was 29 degrees 50.36 minutes North 048 degrees 43.08 minutes East. This places her 1.7 nautical miles inside Iraqi territorial waters. This fact has been confirmed by the Iraqi Foreign Ministry.

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Picture shows first Iranian reported position [1] and corrected Iranian position [2]
[Picture: MOD]
See Slide – Iranian claimed positions >>>

"The Iranian government has provided us with two different positions for the incident. The first we received on Saturday and the second on Monday. As this map shows, the first of these points still lies within Iraqi territorial waters. We pointed this out to them on Sunday in diplomatic contacts.

"After we did this, they then provided a second set of coordinates that places the incident in Iranian waters over two nautical miles from the position given by HMS CORNWALL and confirmed by the merchant vessel. The two Iranian positions are just under a nautical mile apart – 1800 yards or so. It is hard to understand a reason for this change of coordinates. We unambiguously contest both the positions provided by the Iranians.

"I should just explain at this point that the boats remained connected at this point. One of the seaboats was connected via data link, which communicated its position continually to the ship where it was displayed, superimposed on an electronic chart, on a purpose built console. During the boarding this console was constantly monitored and indicated, throughout, that the boats had remained well within Iraqi territorial waters.

"Our boarding started at 0739 local time and was completed at 0910 with the merchant vessel having been cleared to continue with her business. Communications were lost with the boarding team as the boarding was finishing … at 0910. HMS CORNWALL's Lynx helicopter, which had been covering the initial stages of the boarding, immediately returned to the scene to locate the boarding team.

"The helicopter reported that the two seaboats were being escorted by Iranian Islamic Republican Guard Navy vessels towards the Shatt 'Al Arab Waterway and were now inside Iranian territorial waters. Debriefing of the helicopter crew and a conversation with the master of the merchant ship both indicate that the boarding team were ambushed while disembarking from the merchant vessel. Both boats were equipped with a GPS chart plotter.

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HMS Cornwall patrolling in the North Arabian Gulf between Kaaot and Abot oil platforms
[Picture: LA (Phot) Jannine B Hartmann]
"On Sunday morning, 25 March, HMS CORNWALL's Lynx conducted an overflight of the merchant vessel, which was still at anchor, and once again confirmed her location on Global Positioning System equipment. Her Master confirmed that his vessel had remained at anchor since Friday, and was in Iraqi territorial waters.

"Ladies and Gentlemen, my primary message is clear. HMS CORNWALL with her boarding party was going about her legal business – in Iraqi Territorial waters, under a United Nations Security Council Resolution, with the explicit approval of the Iraqi government.

"The action by Iranian forces in arresting and detaining our people is unjustified and wrong. As such it is a matter of deep concern to us and the families of the people who have been taken. We continue not only to call for their safe, but for their safe and speedy, return, and we continue to seek immediate consular access to them as a prelude to their release."

Fox466
03-28-2007, 09:46 PM
New meaning for the old adage pertaining to a picture being worth a thousand words.

Or lives, whichever comes first...

Paladin
03-29-2007, 12:18 AM
I saw some "Democratic Strategist" on Fox saying that we need to negotiate this to a peaceful end. Yeah, peoiple who kidnap soldiers can be negotiated with.

We need to get these soldiers back, then take out the Iranian leaders. It will stop them from sending over IED's that are killing our soldiers and it will send a signal to other countries that they need to take us more seriously.

I honestly feel like the liberal Bush hating has made the middle east worse off and made our work there much harder. They have enabled our enemies IMO. Yes, you Bush haters are treasonous IMO.

agiraldo
03-29-2007, 12:20 AM
Just end it Iran. SOmebody go in there and just drop a couple of hydrogen bombs damnit

Denny
03-29-2007, 05:58 AM
Last night, Iran had the one female British sailor on TV (in a durka). They made her say that they were in the wrong and that they were being treated very well. Fucking bitch for caving in and they're fucking pussies for that weak attempt. The British didn't buy it either.

GhostTX
03-29-2007, 08:02 AM
What I really want to know is why didn't the British ship open fire on the Iranian ship the moment their people were seized? Can't take 'em to Iran without a boat!

Oh ya...wait...we're still in appeasement mode.

FFS...not that everyone KNEW that Iran was full of crap when they said the Brits were in Iranian waters. I'll take GPS over star-gazing, sundials and compasses anyday.

Vertnut
03-29-2007, 08:11 AM
Sorry, but that's another reason we don't need women in combat situations...There's no telling what she might say or do, after 50 Iranian soldiers rape every orifice of her body...

Denny
03-29-2007, 08:19 AM
Sorry, but that's another reason we don't need women in combat situations...There's no telling what she might say or do, after 50 Iranian soldiers rape every orifice of her body...
That's exactly what the wife and I were saying last night.

Casper
03-29-2007, 09:09 AM
The men in the group should have donned rags to show their support for her.

What we've got here, is, a failure to communicate. Some camel fuckers you just can't reach. So, you get we had here last week. That's the way he wants it. Well, he gets it.

Denny
03-29-2007, 09:16 AM
The men in the group should have donned rags to show their support for her.

What we've got here, is, a failure to communicate. Some camel fuckers you just can't reach. So, you get we had here last week. That's the way he wants it. Well, he gets it.
If you were to muster up all the testies in the UK into one giant ballsack (like mine), you still wouldn't have enough nuts to pull that off.

Casper
03-29-2007, 12:17 PM
That's just the southern UK.

TexasDevilDog
03-29-2007, 09:11 PM
http://ak.imgfarm.com/images/ap/IRAN_SEIZED_BRITISH_.sff_VAH104_20070329055509.jpg

forever_frost
03-29-2007, 09:55 PM
At this point, we should withdraw all forces from every single country and then use the combined force of the U.S. military and our sole focus to turn the country into a second Arizona. Annex the bitch and charge taxes, establish a permenant presence and then turn to Iraq and Afganistan, knocking them out , one at a time. No more divided power

Denny
03-30-2007, 06:29 AM
I just heard on KRLD that the UN DOES NOT condemn Iran for it's actions against the British sailors. :mad:

Vertnut
03-30-2007, 07:25 AM
I just heard on KRLD that the UN DOES NOT condemn Iran for it's actions against the British sailors. :mad:
...which further proves that the UN does NOTHING. It's a lion with no teeth. Alligator mouth with a hummingbird ass. :cool:

exlude
03-30-2007, 11:20 AM
I just heard on KRLD that the UN DOES NOT condemn Iran for it's actions against the British sailors. :mad:

Because for them to openly condemn it, they must have unanimous support. I'll be willing to bet who doesn't support it: Russia.

Denny
03-30-2007, 11:39 AM
Because for them to openly condemn it, they must have unanimous support. I'll be willing to bet who doesn't support it: Russia.
I'd go as far to say that they're not saying anything either way.

exlude
03-30-2007, 11:41 AM
I'd go as far to say that they're not saying anything either way.

Quite possibly. I'm dying to see what evidence Iran can spew forward. So far they have released two different coordinates as to where they boarded the ship.

They sent the first set of coords over to Britain, and Britain was like, "Uh, yeah, those are Iraqi waters". Then Iran sent over "corrected" coords that were actually in Iranian waters.

Denny
03-30-2007, 11:43 AM
Quite possibly. I'm dying to see what evidence Iran can spew forward. So far they have released two different coordinates as to where they boarded the ship.

They sent the first set of coords over to Britain, and Britain was like, "Uh, yeah, those are Iraqi waters". Then Iran sent over "corrected" coords that were actually in Iranian waters.
Iran occupied those waters for a couple hundred years, about 3000 years ago, so it's technically theirs. ;)

exlude
03-30-2007, 11:44 AM
lmfao, nice!