A new low in the war

[Jason8750]

I dont think there is any hope for the middle east. I really think the islamic religion needs to be burned off the face of the earth. http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20070320/wl_mideast_afp/usiraqmilitary_070320203409

[usmcluke]

Yeah for intolerance!!! Like Muslims are the first people to use kids for war.

[Sean88gt]

They are savages, what do you expect?

[4.6 Love]

that's fucking sad...

[Stevo]

Children in the back seat lowered suspicion. We let it move through. They parked the vehicle, and the adults ran out and detonated it with the children in the back,

:mad:

Stevo

[Mach1Marauder]

Ibtm

[jw33]

I'm not really surprised... :confused: They are all filthy animals.

[SlowLX]

Yeah for intolerance!!! Like Muslims are the first people to use kids for war.
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[rwrankin]

i dont understand why our leaders still think that the war can be won and democracy can grow in this god forsaken country. these people of no value for life. how can they appriciate the freedoms that a democracy stands for?

[D]

IMO, we'll kill the majority of the terrorists/insurgents before democracy thrives there.

[rwrankin]

IMO, we'll kill the majority of the terrorists/insurgents before democracy thrives there.
I don’t think that is going to help that much. Even if we kill everyone who stands a threat and then tailor a democracy to fit the fundamentals of the Muslim religion, there will always be the possibility of some nut job using their religion to justify inhumane acts.

[AL P]

I don’t think that is going to help that much. Even if we kill everyone who stands a threat and then tailor a democracy to fit the fundamentals of the Muslim religion, there will always be the possibility of some nut job using their religion to justify inhumane acts.

You mean just like everywhere else in the world?

[rwrankin]

You mean just like everywhere else in the world?
can you name a country that has a DEMOCRACY that tolerates the murder of innocent people in the name of the country's religion?

I dont think so.

[DORAN]

What The Fuck The Adults Run From The Car And Leave The Kids In?!?! What Happen To The Suicide Part Of It? They Chickened Out Of Their Religion At The Last Second? Very Not Cool!

[AL P]

can you name a country that has a DEMOCRACY that tolerates the murder of innocent people in the name of the country's religion?

I dont think so.

you didn't say that. You said:

"there will always be the possibility of some nut job using their religion to justify inhumane acts"

It's like that everywhere though. Jim Jones comes to mind. Granted at this point in time the Middle East has people who are more likely to fall for that bullshit. Of course, they are slowly blowing themselves up and getting their asses shot off by the U.S. army which is a good thing.

[AL P]

What The Fuck The Adults Run From The Car And Leave The Kids In?!?! What Happen To The Suicide Part Of It? They Chickened Out Of Their Religion At The Last Second? Very Not Cool!

Are you really that shocked? At the core of the matter is that these people are chickenshits.

[BP]

i dont understand why our leaders still think that the war can be won and democracy can grow in this god forsaken country. these people of no value for life. how can they appriciate the freedoms that a democracy stands for?

You think Hitler and his nazis valued human life? The Japanese sure as hell didn't value it in WW2. Both of those countries are doing pretty good today and were just as if not more extreme than what we are fighting today.

Bin Laden hasn't taken over nearly all of Europe and most of Africa.

[rwrankin]

You think Hitler and his nazis valued human life? The Japanese sure as hell didn't value it in WW2. Both of those countries are doing pretty good today and were just as if not more extreme than what we are fighting today.

Bin Laden hasn't taken over nearly all of Europe and most of Africa.
I am sorry I thought Hilter was a dictator?

[GhostTX]

Gaw...to me, that's totally a new low.

[AL P]

I am sorry I thought Hilter was a dictator?

He was the head of totalitarian regime. That is, until we kicked his ass.

Islamic extremists are fucking joke compared to the Japanese. Except the Japanese actually had some sense of honor.

[BP]

I am sorry I thought Hilter was a dictator?

Yeah and what was Sadam Hussein? Sure Bin Laden isn't but thats only because he doesn't want to be.

I'm just making the point that we've fought tougher enemies and won. It's never easy and won't happen over night, not even in 5 years. WW2 could have taken 10-15 years easy if it weren't for nuclear weapons. Even then it was really a continuation of WW1. Vietnam was close to 16 years and we still haven't settled the Korean war.

[Paladin]

Yeah and what was Sadam Hussein? Sure Bin Laden isn't but thats only because he doesn't want to be.

I'm just making the point that we've fought tougher enemies and won. It's never easy and won't happen over night, not even in 5 years. WW2 could have taken 10-15 years easy if it weren't for nuclear weapons. Even then it was really a continuation of WW1. Vietnam was close to 16 years and we still haven't settled the Korean war.

I am very concerned about the situation in Iraq right now. I agree with you that it is very hard to win a war like this, especially since the War on terror is not a traditional war by any menas.

I saw on the military channel that we lost 10K soldiers in one day when we attacked Ohama beach. Imagine if people had said that we should leave because the cost in lives was too much back then.

[Geor!]

Yeah and what was Sadam Hussein? Sure Bin Laden isn't but thats only because he doesn't want to be.

I'm just making the point that we've fought tougher enemies and won. It's never easy and won't happen over night, not even in 5 years. WW2 could have taken 10-15 years easy if it weren't for nuclear weapons. Even then it was really a continuation of WW1. Vietnam was close to 16 years and we still haven't settled the Korean war.
About time to use nuclear weapons on those fockers.

[usmcluke]

Here's another quick tip for the one day war proponents. More people died taking the tiny island of Okinawa than both of the nukes we dropped on Japan. Japanese soldiers pushed thousands of civilians over cliffs and many more went voluntarily because they had been told the Americans would rape and eat them.

War is nasty and test of the mettle of two opposing forces not many wars have been won by eliminating all of the opposing force. Generally the first force to flinch is the loser. Stop flinching and start shooting bitches.

[rwrankin]

Yeah and what was Sadam Hussein? Sure Bin Laden isn't but thats only because he doesn't want to be.

I'm just making the point that we've fought tougher enemies and won. It's never easy and won't happen over night, not even in 5 years. WW2 could have taken 10-15 years easy if it weren't for nuclear weapons. Even then it was really a continuation of WW1. Vietnam was close to 16 years and we still haven't settled the Korean war.
I do not doubt the ability to dominate the enemy. My point is with the current reason of the war (it has changed a couple of times) to spread democracy to the Middle East. How are we to do so when the people in question do not value life and allow their religion to murder innocent people? Even the non Muslim fanatics tolerate these inhumane actions in the name of their religion by not condemning it. How can they understand the cost of a democracy when there religion does not value free will and the pursuit of quality of life?

has this not crossed any ones mind?

[rwrankin]

Yeah and what was Sadam Hussein? Sure Bin Laden isn't but thats only because he doesn't want to be.

I'm just making the point that we've fought tougher enemies and won. It's never easy and won't happen over night, not even in 5 years. WW2 could have taken 10-15 years easy if it weren't for nuclear weapons. Even then it was really a continuation of WW1. Vietnam was close to 16 years and we still haven't settled the Korean war.
I do not doubt the ability to dominate the enemy. My point is with the current reason of the war (it has changed a couple of times) to spread democracy to the Middle East. How are we to do so when the people in question do not value life and allow their religion to murder innocent people? Even the non Muslim fanatics tolerate these inhumane actions in the name of their religion by not condemning it. How can they understand the cost of a democracy when there religion does not value free will and the pursuit of quality of life?

has this not crossed any ones mind?

[rwrankin]

before every jumps all over me i did not post that twice. the server was busy when i posted. it must be a bug that made it hit twice.

[AL P]

I do not doubt the ability to dominate the enemy. My point is with the current reason of the war (it has changed a couple of times) to spread democracy to the Middle East. How are we to do so when the people in question do not value life and allow their religion to murder innocent people? Even the non Muslim fanatics tolerate these inhumane actions in the name of their religion by not condemning it. How can they understand the cost of a democracy when there religion does not value free will and the pursuit of quality of life?

has this not crossed any ones mind?

Yea, I'm sure everyone over there is just indifferent to the way these people act. Generalize much??

[FSON]

Now those children will have all the virgins they want in heaven, what a religion. Asa lay moo alay chum (Really? Liar!).

[exlude]

Lmao @ the phoenetic spelling FSON. :D

[rwrankin]

Yea, I'm sure everyone over there is just indifferent to the way these people act. Generalize much??
im sorry was that dribble suppost to be a statement or point of some sort?

[BP]

I do not doubt the ability to dominate the enemy. My point is with the current reason of the war (it has changed a couple of times) to spread democracy to the Middle East.


The purpose of the war is to defeat terrorism where ever it is. They (terrorists) attacked us first and we are fighting them all over the world right now. Iraq gets all the media attention, which is also part of the plan, but right this very second we have troops/advisors on the ground fighting in at least 2 countries other than Iraq or Afghanistan. Look at world events and you can probably figure out where.

As long as you don't see a suicide bomber on a DART bus or a TRE train then we are still winning the war. Keep remembering that the last successful terrorist attack on US soil was 9/11/01. The reason for this is what our troops are doing around the world.

[Paladin]

The purpose of the war is to defeat terrorism where ever it is. They (terrorists) attacked us first and we are fighting them all over the world right now. Iraq gets all the media attention, which is also part of the plan, but right this very second we have troops/advisors on the ground fighting in at least 2 countries other than Iraq or Afghanistan. Look at world events and you can probably figure out where.

As long as you don't see a suicide bomber on a DART bus or a TRE train then we are still winning the war. Keep remembering that the last successful terrorist attack on US soil was 9/11/01. The reason for this is what our troops are doing around the world.

Well said. I wonder what the liberals like mustangman and black01gt would say if we started take bigger losses in Afghanistan and Iraq stabilized.

I think I know, but they will deny it. I also wonder if they would shut up if we had a terrorist attack like 9/11 and it was tracked to an Al Quaeda cell here. Would that then make Iraq a viable war all of a sudden?

[exlude]

Well said. I wonder what the liberals like mustangman and black01gt would say if we started take bigger losses in Afghanistan and Iraq stabilized.

I think I know, but they will deny it. I also wonder if they would shut up if we had a terrorist attack like 9/11 and it was tracked to an Al Quaeda cell here. Would that then make Iraq a viable war all of a sudden?

Oddly, it's a good time to test that thesis. Things do seem to be heating up in Afgahnistan over the past week or so.

[Denny]

Back in 2005, a memo went out to all the drivers of convoy vehicles to NOT stop or swerve for people in the road (children included). They were making kids run into the road to make the convoys move to the side so the vehicle would hit an IED. 1st MEF has video of a Hummer hitting a cow and blowing up. The fuckers shoved an IED up its ass, I guess.

[rwrankin]

The purpose of the war is to defeat terrorism where ever it is. They (terrorists) attacked us first and we are fighting them all over the world right now. Iraq gets all the media attention, which is also part of the plan, but right this very second we have troops/advisors on the ground fighting in at least 2 countries other than Iraq or Afghanistan. Look at world events and you can probably figure out where.


As long as you don't see a suicide bomber on a DART bus or a TRE train then we are still winning the war. Keep remembering that the last successful terrorist attack on US soil was 9/11/01. The reason for this is what our troops are doing around the world.

whatever dude. the administration has changed the justification of the war from weapons of mass destruction, liberating the people of iraq, finding the person resposible for 9/11, to resently spreading democracy to the middle east. i personally think it kind of makes us look incompetent but it does not really matter because regardless of the situation good has come from the war. i just dont want us to be setting unrealistic goals for iraq.

true. no doubt about on the success.

[BP]

Hey Clinton's war is almost over, http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20070321/wl_uk_afp/bosniabritaineu_070321185724

[exlude]

i personally think it kind of makes us look incompatent but it does not really matter because regardless of the situation good has come from the war. i just want us to be setting unrealistic goals for iraq.


No, that sentence makes us look incompetent! :D

You and I differ on that point though. I want realistic goals to be set.

[BP]

whatever dude. the administration has changed the justification of the war from weapons of mass destruction, liberating the people of iraq, finding the person resposible for 9/11, to resently spreading democracy to the middle east.
true. no doubt about on the success.

Justification for the war? We all know what that is. You are missing the point, Iraq is part of a bigger plan. We justified the invasion of Iraq without UN support based on the fact that he had chemical weapons and was working on nukes.

Fact is that if we didn't invade when we did he'd either have operational nuclear weapons today or Israel would have invaded the country and bombed his nuclear sites.

What makes the middle east a more stable place, us invading and occupying Iraq or Israel bombing them and leaving a power vacuum? I think the answer is pretty clear.

[rwrankin]

No, that sentence makes us look incompetent! :D

You and I differ on that point though. I want realistic goals to be set.
OMG, its been a long day. thanks.

[exlude]

OMG, its been a long day. thanks.

I'm here to make it seem all that much longer :D

[FSON]

Well said. I wonder what the liberals like mustangman and black01gt would say if we started take bigger losses in Afghanistan and Iraq stabilized.

I think I know, but they will deny it. I also wonder if they would shut up if we had a terrorist attack like 9/11 and it was tracked to an Al Quaeda cell here. Would that then make Iraq a viable war all of a sudden?


What will happen when the Democrats force an early withdrawl of our incomplete operation in Iraq. When Al Kayda himself takes control of Iraq and the oil revenue. When those funds allow good budy Al to buy nuclear weapons. When cars carrying a nuclear bombs blow up the new york stock exchange and the southern half of manhattan and no one can live there for several hundred years. When China seizes the opportunity of our lack of presence and dominates the world for the next 150 years as the U.S. becomes China's lackies.
Will there be a backlash?

[rwrankin]

Justification for the war? We all know what that is. You are missing the point, Iraq is part of a bigger plan. We justified the invasion of Iraq without UN support based on the fact that he had chemical weapons and was working on nukes.

Fact is that if we didn't invade when we did he'd either have operational nuclear weapons today or Israel would have invaded the country and bombed his nuclear sites.

What makes the middle east a more stable place, us invading and occupying Iraq or Israel bombing them and leaving a power vacuum? I think the answer is pretty clear.

But we did not find those weapons.it just did not look good for us when that happened and i dont want us to look bad during the war.

i have no doubt that would have adventually happened. but we did not state that we are invading iraq to eventually stop the development of.... we said they where there.

brother, that country has been a power vacuum since biblical times. i agree our presence is helping and a big factor of what success we are having. i just dont think staying until we spread democracy to an other wise barberic culture is realistic for us.

[Jason8750]

Yeah for intolerance!!! Like Muslims are the first people to use kids for war.
No you are right they are not the first to use children in war. Its not just the terrorism that makes me feel this way. Its the woman in saudi arabia who got kidnapped raped and beaten and in response to islamic law she was sentenced to 90 lashes for being alone with a man who was not her family. Its the eight year old boy thats a second grader if your keeping score who had his arm crushed under the tire of a car for stealing food in iran. Its men being able to beat and murder there wives and keep them like prisoners. Its the governments using religion as an excuse for keeping its people in bondage. You name me one country thats better off since an extreme islamic government has taken control . If you want to tolerate that bullshit you go ahead I say Fuck em.

[usmcluke]

No you are right they are not the first to use children in war. Its not just the terrorism that makes me feel this way. Its the woman in saudi arabia who got kidnapped raped and beaten and in response to islamic law she was sentenced to 90 lashes for being alone with a man who was not her family. Its the eight year old boy thats a second grader if your keeping score who had his arm crushed under the tire of a car for stealing food in iran. Its men being able to beat and murder there wives and keep them like prisoners. Its the governments using religion as an excuse for keeping its people in bondage. You name me one country thats better off since an extreme islamic government has taken control . If you want to tolerate that bullshit you go ahead I say Fuck em.
Key word being EXTREME. Gues what Christianity used to do some pretty brutal stuff too, should we kill all Christians? I don't think what happened to the examples you posted is right BUT to make a blanket statement like all Muslims should be killed is equal to.....wait for it........genocide. Hmmm who else was into genocide? I will let you fill in the blanks, there are several examples and they are all now considered to be vile human beings. Generalizations such as your original post scream of intolerance. BTW we have no business dictating to other countries what religious practices are appopriate and which ones aren't.

[Denny]

Key word being EXTREME. Gues what Christianity used to do some pretty brutal stuff too, should we kill all Christians? I don't think what happened to the examples you posted is right BUT to make a blanket statement like all Muslims should be killed is equal to.....wait for it........genocide. Hmmm who else was into genocide? I will let you fill in the blanks, there are several examples and they are all now considered to be vile human beings. Generalizations such as your original post scream of intolerance. BTW we have no business dictating to other countries what religious practices are appopriate and which ones aren't.
Mmmm... genocide!


I can live with it.

[Mustangman_2000]

wow....very sad.

[AL P]

im sorry was that dribble suppost to be a statement or point of some sort?

Is this the best your dumbass can come up with? I really expected more.

[Paladin]

What will happen when the Democrats force an early withdrawl of our incomplete operation in Iraq. When Al Kayda himself takes control of Iraq and the oil revenue. When those funds allow good budy Al to buy nuclear weapons. When cars carrying a nuclear bombs blow up the new york stock exchange and the southern half of manhattan and no one can live there for several hundred years. When China seizes the opportunity of our lack of presence and dominates the world for the next 150 years as the U.S. becomes China's lackies.
Will there be a backlash?

You mark my words, if we pull out like the Dems want us to and we have a terrorist attack on our soil shortly thereafter, they will blame Bush. There will be no responsibility for their actions and how it impacted the war on terror because they don't believe this is a global war.

Just read some of the stuff "Mr. Moderate" mustangman and idiot liberal black01gt say.

[Archangel]

Key word being EXTREME. Gues what Christianity used to do some pretty brutal stuff too, should we kill all Christians? I don't think what happened to the examples you posted is right BUT to make a blanket statement like all Muslims should be killed is equal to.....wait for it........genocide. Hmmm who else was into genocide? I will let you fill in the blanks, there are several examples and they are all now considered to be vile human beings. Generalizations such as your original post scream of intolerance. BTW we have no business dictating to other countries what religious practices are appopriate and which ones aren't.
Actually.....the Muslims want us all dead or converted. They prefer dead. I certainly can live with the genocide part. While we have no business dictating other countries religious practices........the same should apply to the Muslims.

This "war" should be handled the same way the Mob handles things. They pull a knife, we pull a gun. They send one of ours to the hospital, we send five of theirs to the morgue.

In retrospect...this is not a war. It is another damned police action. Soldiers are not policemen and should not be held to the same moral standards as police. Soldiers win the peace....police keep the peace. What soldiers do is gruesome and violent. What soldiers do should not be shown on TV, second-guessed by the media, scrutinized by politicians, nor be judged in a courtroom.

The United States of America is already seen by most of the Islamic world as "The Great Satan." Personally......I say we show them exactly what Hell is like.

[Stevo]

Personally, I'd like to see all Muslim extremists burn alive, and most regular Muslims as well. I can live with the genocide of any race or religion that wants me dead just because I am an American and/or Christian.

Stevo