Off-Road GTG?

[David]

So with everyone having/getting lifted vehicles and all that other shit. Lets go out and destroy some shit and break some stuff.

Anybody game? Ideas?

[usmcluke]

I will just have my little ol Grand Cherokee but I would be down.

EDIT: The commander is 2wd so it stays on the pavement.

[David]

I will just have my little ol Grand Cherokee but I would be down.

EDIT: The commander is 2wd so it stays on the pavement.
Pfft, put that new fly ride and Hemi to the test. :D

[usmcluke]

Pfft, put that new fly ride and Hemi to the test. :D
I am trying to talk myself out of trading in the GC on a 2007 Wrangler X.

[Streetdemon70]

i would be game for something like that. all i got is a lil ol stock z71 but i can still have fun

[LZRREDGT]

iam down to do it, took off my toyo m/ts and put on the toyo a/ts. so i might need someone to pull me out. :D

[coley]

I wouldn't mind trying some thing, as long its not to far away

[stephen4785]

Im game. Iv got a stock 4X4 dodge ram but Iv had alot of fun in it.
http://www.clipshack.com/Clip.aspx?key=71D5882DD1564940
http://www.clipshack.com/Clip.aspx?key=F2DA7A72BD732076

[Gaber]

Let me know if I can pull ya'll out of the mud. :D

[stephen4785]

Iv got room for one or two passengers. So if anyone wants to ride and be the camera man let me know.
When and where? Only place I know of to go is 360. Not a bad spot at all.

[Dawkins]

I'd be down if it's not too far for me....

[Gaber]

Let me know!

[David]

I'll pretty much go anywhere. But have no idea where to go. Ive heard of 360, but other than that it's just a number. There's also marshal Creek but I havent been there in about 3 yrs. So...

[Slowhand]

i've got a few friends that go off roading and they go out to grapevine lake. apparently there are some good rock trails and big hill trails.

[ThreeFingerPete]

I've got a single wheel peel mark 7, can I play? Anybody got 1 30x9.50 i can borrow? LOL!

[David]

I've got a single wheel peel mark 7, can I play? Anybody got 1 30x9.50 i can borrow? LOL!
And you act like you dont know anyone with big trucks you could tag along in.

[ThreeFingerPete]

I called Wade, he said he was busy trying to douche the sand out of his vagina. Forrest's truck has only seen mud from afar, and you? :-p

[Ted]

I called Wade, he said he was busy trying to douche the sand out of his vagina. Forrest's truck has only seen mud from afar, and you? :-p
Pooter said he's in, I got shotgun.

[alvarado gt]

Im in if I can get some time off work

[elzoro]

trinity is a nice place my friend goes muddin

[aggie97]

I am up for it....the fullsize has NO FEAR!!!

It would be wise though to have plenty of STRONG tow straps and a big f'n winch cause if this 7500lb bitch gets stuck.... :eek:

[stephen4785]

I am up for it....the fullsize has NO FEAR!!!

It would be wise though to have plenty of STRONG tow straps and a big f'n winch cause if this 7500lb bitch gets stuck.... :eek:
I dont have a winch but Iv got a big ass strap,tow chain(now for pulling though),and a complete steering setup for a 95-01 4X4 dodge ram(I keep in my truck,just in case).No winch though :(

[Streetdemon70]

at all time i have 3 heavy duty tow straps and 1 big heavy chain that are with me, and im sure other people have stuff so if we go i think we would have plenty of towing support. So has anyone decided a time or place yet?

[David]

trinity is a nice place my friend goes muddin
Last time I went out there we were swarmed by cops and all threatened to receive trespass tickets and vehicles seized. I'll pass.

I am up for it....the fullsize has NO FEAR!!!

It would be wise though to have plenty of STRONG tow straps and a big f'n winch cause if this 7500lb bitch gets stuck.... :eek:
Im bringing the 6x6 :D

But now all we need is a place and date. :o

[PooterWS6]

My truck is too pretty.


I will ride shotgun in the 6x6 though! :cool:

[midniteblue5.0]

i would be game for something like that. all i got is a lil ol stock z71 but i can still have fun
me too !!! hopefully its on sunday its my only day off :( so when and where???????????????

[David]

My truck is too pretty.
You wuss!

[PooterWS6]

You wuss!
With my 30k dollar truck, yes! No money to fix anything that would break right now, so ill pass, but im down to watch over people break some shit:p

[David]

With my 30k dollar truck, yes! No money to fix anything that would break right now, so ill pass, but im down to watch over people break some shit:p
You just put on a big lift and tires. At least go through a couple mud holes!

[PooterWS6]

You just put on a big lift and tires. At least go through a couple mud holes!
Big lift? and tires? they arent that big, I wanted them for rpm drop on the highway! :)

If those mud holes happen to be on the trail on the way to people breaking some shit, sure :p

[David]

Big lift? and tires? they arent that big, I wanted them for rpm drop on the highway! :)

If those mud holes happen to be on the trail on the way to people breaking some shit, sure :p
Bigger than stock. Dont let your truck be a mall cruiser.

[midniteblue5.0]

so when we going??????????????????????????

[Swamp Donkey]

I'm down for breaking some stuff! Just let me know when/where and I'll be the first one stuck... :p

[PooterWS6]

Bigger than stock. Dont let your truck be a mall cruiser.
I never go to malls.... :rolleyes:




Heres a pic of the beast! Ill be there as long as someone has a pressure washer so I can clean it every 10 minutes...
http://dealer.webmakerx.net/Images/Picture/2007/February/lg_Monster-9.JPG

[Streetdemon70]

its supposed to rain saturday so what yall think about gettin something together for sunday? i know its not much but maybe marshall creek or something?

[David]

I never go to malls.... :rolleyes:
:p

[LZRREDGT]

how far is that i live in the grove.

[stephen4785]

I use to ride out in Marshall Creek. Seemed to small and not enough stuff to do in a truck. Barley big enough to run around on a bike. I still think the trails off of 360 in Arlington would be good. I hope I can a new tire for the dodge. My front right one is almost bald :( .

[PooterWS6]

I use to ride out in Marshall Creek. Seemed to small and not enough stuff to do in a truck. Barley big enough to run around on a bike. I still think the trails off of 360 in Arlington would be good. I hope I can a new tire for the dodge. My front right one is almost bald :( .
What size do you need? You have those fancy twenties? or 17s? :)
I have a full set of my stockers, cheap

[90GT50]

I'm in, bringing the neon.

[stephen4785]

What size do you need? You have those fancy twenties? or 17s? :)
I have a full set of my stockers, cheap
Its an 01 so its 16. :( Yeah I saw your tires in the classifieds and thought about buying 4 black cheap wheels just so I could get them

[stephen4785]

I'm in, bringing the neon.
I saw a guy out at the Brazos running all over the deep sand at the beach in a Neon. Dude never got stuck and was at it all night

[90GT50]

I saw a guy out at the Brazos running all over the deep sand at the beach in a Neon. Dude never got stuck and was at it all nightThere was some video on streetfire of an srt-4 going through mud, a long patch of it, and he didn't get stuck somehow, lol. I'll find the vid.

[Streetdemon70]

so any ideas were to go?

[90GT50]

found the vid:
<a href="http://videos.streetfire.net/video/cbb44b24-7a87-4f81-b6fb-686ddb73ee72.htm" target="_blank"><img src="http://thumbs.vidiac.com/cbb44b24-7a87-4f81-b6fb-686ddb73ee72.jpg" width="115" height="86"></a><br><a href="http://videos.streetfire.net/video/cbb44b24-7a87-4f81-b6fb-686ddb73ee72.htm" target="_blank">Click to see Video</a>
fast forward to about 2:45

[stephen4785]

so any ideas were to go?
I say 360.

[stephen4785]

found the vid:
<a href="http://videos.streetfire.net/video/cbb44b24-7a87-4f81-b6fb-686ddb73ee72.htm" target="_blank"><img src="http://thumbs.vidiac.com/cbb44b24-7a87-4f81-b6fb-686ddb73ee72.jpg" width="115" height="86"></a><br><a href="http://videos.streetfire.net/video/cbb44b24-7a87-4f81-b6fb-686ddb73ee72.htm" target="_blank">Click to see Video</a>
fast forward to about 2:45
what a dumbass.Funny though!

[midniteblue5.0]

SO 360???? but when??

[stephen4785]

hopefully right after I buy a new dam tire or Ill have to hitch a ride with someone :(

[way2fast4u]

iam down to do it, took off my toyo m/ts and put on the toyo a/ts. so i might need someone to pull me out. :D
you fancy shit aint seen no mud!

[stephen4785]

hopefully I can get more mud on it than this

[79f150]

I'd be down to ride if someone has an extra seat. I have a video camera that's OK if we wanna use it.

360 is a good place. Marshall creek is OK but not nearly as big.

[LZRREDGT]

you fancy shit aint seen no mud!
yeah right mofo.
http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q158/Dropped99/truck.jpg

[David]

Sounds like 360 is everyone suggestions.

When?

[ThreeFingerPete]

yeah right mofo.
http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q158/Dropped99/truck.jpg

That's cute, I take it that was the "before" pic in your before and after mudding comparo, right?

[90GT50]

yeah right mofo.
http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q158/Dropped99/truck.jpgI think I have more dirt on the neon right now.

[midniteblue5.0]

when when when!!! :D

[stephen4785]

Next weekend or weekend after next next(pay day weekend).Im booked this weekend

[blue302stang]

Hell if only i was in town, i would bring my truck out there for some off road fun. Nothing gets stuck faster than a 2wd open diff with too much torque.

[LZRREDGT]

I think I have more dirt on the neon right now.
i know, i only played in it for about 5 mins. :D . so were is the meet going to be at.

[stephen4785]

i know, i only played in it for about 5 mins. :D . so were is the meet going to be at.
I havent been out there in a while so I dont know if its better to go in at the triny blv entrance or the Euless main street entrance. Anyone been latley? I think the Euless main st entrance is the easiet to meet up cause the other side always has bikers casuing alot of attention. Still not sure about the date though. Id like to go on March 10-11.

[midniteblue5.0]

dam thats a long way to go!!

[Hell-Bent SS 2]

Me and little Rich(GARS04) have been going 2 a place off of 360 and mt.creek exit.lots of trails and some good mud holes just making suggestions.I didnt read all the posts so sorry if someone talked about this place.

[stephen4785]

Alright guys ao are we on for Sat the 10 say 11am meeting up at the Euless Main entrance?

[stephen4785]

Me and little Rich(GARS04) have been going 2 a place off of 360 and mt.creek exit.lots of trails and some good mud holes just making suggestions.I didnt read all the posts so sorry if someone talked about this place.
How big of a place we talking and how many good hills/obstacles?

[stephen4785]

This is how big the place off of 360 is

[David]

Alright guys ao are we on for Sat the 10 say 11am meeting up at the Euless Main entrance?
Im game.

[stephen4785]

Iv got tools, hand powered winch,tow strap, tow chain,tire plugs(but no compressor). FYI

[David]

We can run air off of the deuce if needed.

[stephen4785]

We can run air off of the deuce if needed.
Deuce? What are you bringing?

[David]

Deuce? What are you bringing?
My 6x6

[Streetdemon70]

My 6x6


<=== wants to go just to see this beast

[GARS04]

Me and little Rich(GARS04) have been going 2 a place off of 360 and mt.creek exit.lots of trails and some good mud holes just making suggestions.I didnt read all the posts so sorry if someone talked about this place.


Im down for anything!

Like Chad said we have hit the Mt Creek/408 place up a few times over the past few weekends and then we played around over in Mesquite behind Dallas Christian a bit as well.

I just heard they were writing tickets to the people playing around on 360, that's why we have not gone there. I have only heard though, I don't know anyone in particular. Im down though, I have my truck lifted a couple inches now with a TB crank and Shackles and I have the 32" BFG Mud Terrains on it, it will go through a lot more stuff than it did on the stock street tires. :D

If anyone wants to head out for some pre fun hit me up, Chad and I are going just about every weekend to at least play around a little bit, We both have tow ropes. I wasn't here last weekend but heard it rained so it might be some fun to go sooner since rain isn't in the forecast for at least the next week or so.

Rich

[midniteblue5.0]

so when we going?? hopefully its on a sun :) or sat afternoon since i work :(

[stephen4785]

Im down for anything!

Like Chad said we have hit the Mt Creek/408 place up a few times over the past few weekends and then we played around over in Mesquite behind Dallas Christian a bit as well.

I just heard they were writing tickets to the people playing around on 360, that's why we have not gone there. I have only heard though, I don't know anyone in particular. Im down though, I have my truck lifted a couple inches now with a TB crank and Shackles and I have the 32" BFG Mud Terrains on it, it will go through a lot more stuff than it did on the stock street tires. :D

If anyone wants to head out for some pre fun hit me up, Chad and I are going just about every weekend to at least play around a little bit, We both have tow ropes. I wasn't here last weekend but heard it rained so it might be some fun to go sooner since rain isn't in the forecast for at least the next week or so.

Rich How big is the place yall go to?

[GARS04]

How big is the place yall go to?

I don't know really, it's not that big but it has a few good mud holes. But I did find another place over off from 30 just east of West Moreland(sp?) If I drive my truck Friday I will check it out.

[stephen4785]

If anyone had a nice camera be sure and bring it. Id like to get a group before/during/after pic

[LZRREDGT]

Alright guys ao are we on for Sat the 10 say 11am meeting up at the Euless Main entrance?

i work that day :(

[Streetdemon70]

i will bring my camera when we go

[GARS04]

hopefully I can get more mud on it than this

You call that muddy? :rolleyes: :D

[Fox466]

I'm in as well. This should make a good 'breakin run' for the Bronco...

Got seat space for one or two.

[Stangin4Lyfe]

I'm down to go, but I only got some sport quads and my big ass would just sink in a mud hole!
:(

[stephen4785]

I'm in as well. This should make a good 'breakin run' for the Bronco...

Got seat space for one or two.
I might end up having to ride with some one. If I dont make some side cash this weekend I wont have a new u-joint/tire

[Streetdemon70]

so is there a place we can all meet up before we head in to do the off roading cause im not good with that area cause i have never been. or will at least one person meet me somewere and lead me into the area?

[GARS04]

so is there a place we can all meet up before we head in to do the off roading cause im not good with that area cause i have never been. or will at least one person meet me somewere and lead me into the area?

Good question.

Also, I have an extended cab so whoever wants to fit back there is welcome. Not recommended for anyone of 5'-0" though.....haha.

one last thing- I just got back from 360 and as previously mentioned the Euless street entrance will probably be best since there's no mud anywhere else. Looks like a few good mud holes out there and two car washes within a half mile of the exit. haha.....It's only about a mile from my job. Im going to play around there this weekend if anyone wants to have a little pre camera fun holler at me.

[2LO2GO]

Well I might be in if you think there will be a good turn out , and we can come up with a good meeting place and time considering I will be driving in from Sherman. I'm sure I have a couple of buddies that would be willing to bring their trucks down for a little offroading also. Sounds like fun I think we should get a headcount of whos coming.

[David]

I'm definately game, just need a date.

[Streetdemon70]

definately game also

[Fox466]

Is the tenth not happening?

[midniteblue5.0]

damit it should be on sunday :) if yall go till what time would yall be there?? i get off at 5pm>

[PooterWS6]

I'm definately game, just need a date.
Bringing out the Duece? Ill ride shotgun! :cool:

[jw33]

I would be there in my CJ if I was in town... :( Maybe later on this month I'll be around, say around the 24th.

[David]

Bringing out the Duece? Ill ride shotgun! :cool:
Duh

[midniteblue5.0]

i just got back frm 360 there was a crowd dwn by the lake , no cops were in sight :)

[Fox466]

Good deal. Bike forum is saying that they are writing tickets again.

[midniteblue5.0]

i didnt see no po po's i was there frm 3pm till 5:30pm

[stephen4785]

Im still game. Even if I break my dam u-joint and blow my bald ass tire :rolleyes:

[GARS04]

Where are we going to meet? I will suggest Jack in the box on the corner of 360 and Trinity Blvd. Cheap breakfast and a good back way into Euless St.

If I missed something let me know.

[stephen4785]

Where are we going to meet? I will suggest Jack in the box on the corner of 360 and Trinity Blvd. Cheap breakfast and a good back way into Euless St.

If I missed something let me know.
Sounds good to me. What time and on Sat10 or Sun11?

[GARS04]

Sounds good to me. What time and on Sat10 or Sun11?

Either is fine with me

[David]

Either is fine with me
Same

[midniteblue5.0]

Sunday!! :d

[Fox466]

Let's do Sunday then. It's going to be difficult to get the power steering gearbox rebuilt this week (already removed) and to install the new front end, all six shocks, bleed the brakes, etc. in finishing the 8" lift and getting it ready to play...

[stephen4785]

Sunday the 11th @ 11am. Meet at Jack In the Crack at the intersection of 360 and Trinity Blvd.. Sound good to everybody else?

[GARS04]

Sunday the 11th @ 11am. Meet at Jack In the Crack at the intersection of 360 and Trinity Blvd.. Sound good to everybody else?

Sounds good to me. I will be there.

[David]

I'll be there.

[David]

Ttt

[Fox466]

Sounds good here.

[alvarado gt]

Sounds good to mee too,
I may be rollin solo, so i may have room for some one to ride along.

[Streetdemon70]

i will be there

[GARS04]

My buddy Chad has a Soccer game at 10:00, we may be 20-30 minutes late so someone PM me a phone number so we can catch up with you guys if were late. Supposed to rain tonight, were getting a little rain over here right now......might turn out to be a good weekend, I will run over there at lunch and check it out.

[2LO2GO]

oh well I have to work Sun. maybe i'll catch you guys next time

[FSON]

360 is illegal
Marshall Creek is for wimps
Mud is for newbies

Check out these sites:
http://www.texasmotorizedtrails.com/ohvareas/barnwell/
http://katemcyrocks.com/

There is also Clayton and Poteau, Oklahoma

[Streetdemon70]

360 is illegal
Marshall Creek is for wimps
Mud is for newbies

Check out these sites:
http://www.texasmotorizedtrails.com/ohvareas/barnwell/
http://katemcyrocks.com/

There is also Clayton and Poteau, Oklahoma
:rolleyes:

[David]

And rock crawling is for homos?

[FSON]

And rock crawling is for homos?
Don't get the connection. Big engines, big tires, big axles, sounds redneck enough to me.
You have a good assortment of ready vehicles, though.

[Streetdemon70]

And rock crawling is for homos?

LMAO

[94black5.0]

damn i would love to go but i have to work all day sunday!! o well maybe next time...

http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f340/lizardguy917/Blazer012-1.jpg

http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f340/lizardguy917/Blazer011.jpg

http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f340/lizardguy917/P7110491.jpg

[stephen4785]

damn i would love to go but i have to work all day sunday!! o well maybe next time...

I can take your truck out there for ya.

[midniteblue5.0]

i'll be there sunday!!!

[2LO2GO]

damn i would love to go but i have to work all day sunday!! o well maybe next time...

http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f340/lizardguy917/Blazer012-1.jpg

http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f340/lizardguy917/Blazer011.jpg

http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f340/lizardguy917/P7110491.jpg

HOW BIG OF A LIFT IS THAT?

[GARS04]

Don't get the connection. Big engines, big tires, big axles, sounds redneck enough to me.
You have a good assortment of ready vehicles, though.

To each his own man. Good luck!

I just went out to 360, seems there still is some water and mud over there. Looks like some of it has dried up though. Still looks like fun and hopefully it rain again tonight, it's supposed to.

[seventhtexas]

I'll be there in my F550/company truck that gets it done from what ive been in. But if the shit hits the fan i have two D8 dozers at my disposal that are located between 360 and Euless/157. So im game

[FSON]

To each his own man. Good luck!

I just went out to 360, seems there still is some water and mud over there. Looks like some of it has dried up though. Still looks like fun and hopefully it rain again tonight, it's supposed to.

The last time I was out there, about 5 years ago, the police were writting tickets, alot of tickets.

[GARS04]

The last time I was out there, about 5 years ago, the police were writting tickets, alot of tickets.

We have been warned, thanks though.

[FSON]

We have been warned, thanks though.
Is there a safe (safer than others) access at 360 these days?

Last I heard, a yocal sunk his Jeep in mud/sand at the river, then borrowed a construction vehicle standing nearby to extract his Jeep, and sunk that vehicle to it's axles also. The construction company was very happy when they arrived the next day.

[midniteblue5.0]

who else is going w/ stock height trucks?? would it be a problem??

[Streetdemon70]

i will have a stock height z71 going

[midniteblue5.0]

looks like theres t-storms 2morrow better take some chains :D

[David]

Yeah, I think the rain is gonna keep me away. :(

The 6x6 is fucking scary in the rain. Plus it has no top right now and the wipers arent working. I'll just have to play it by ear. :(

[midniteblue5.0]

guess you'll have to take the 04' ;)

[David]

guess you'll have to take the 04' ;)

It's on stands. :o

[Fox466]

I'm out. I got stuck putting up 500' of fence... :(

[GARS04]

Is there a safe (safer than others) access at 360 these days?

Last I heard, a yocal sunk his Jeep in mud/sand at the river, then borrowed a construction vehicle standing nearby to extract his Jeep, and sunk that vehicle to it's axles also. The construction company was very happy when they arrived the next day.

Euless St is easy access.

[GARS04]

looks like theres t-storms 2morrow better take some chains :D

Chad and I both have tow Ropes. We will be late but we will be there.

[TX21]

Is there a safe (safer than others) access at 360 these days?

Last I heard, a yocal sunk his Jeep in mud/sand at the river, then borrowed a construction vehicle standing nearby to extract his Jeep, and sunk that vehicle to it's axles also. The construction company was very happy when they arrived the next day.

I think I know what you are talking about. A few years ago when it rained in June some record amount of rain a small river dumped a bunch of sand in an area that gets crossed a lot. Has not been like that since, and prob wont unless it rains a shitload.

[stephen4785]

Well sorry guys, I couldnt make it. I thought my front u-joint was going out but it turns out its my front carrier bearing. That and the metal vacuum line that runs from my transfer case to the front axle got a hole rubbed through it from my exhaust manifold. So no four wheel drive either :( . Hopefully I can get all this crap fixed before the next gtg.Hope yall had fun

[GARS04]

I didn't see anyone from DFW, but we played around with a few other guys out there for about 3-4 hours. It was fun! :D. I got stuck 3 times. :( There were several rock crawlers out there. I broke my fog light completely off going down a decline so steep my front bumper hit before my tires did. Too bad you guys couldn't make it!

[midniteblue5.0]

i was there we got there around 1pm what were u driving i might have seen u ? we had an 07 gray dodge w/ ranch hand bumper/ white f150 lifted and a 92' lifted Z71, the wite z71 one got stuck and tranny dumped almost all the tranny oil cause some cap came lose !

[midniteblue5.0]

Some pics of today, tranny problems with the Z71 but the cummins pulled him out ;)

[GARS04]

I think I was on the opposite side of 360, looking at your pics. Did you guys cross the Yellow bridge on your way in? We were going to go in the way but on our way down there some guy told us they were writing tickets so we went over to the Ft Worth side, lots of people over there!

I was in a Puter Colorado Z71 on 32's, Chad was with me in a Black S-10 ZR2.

[midniteblue5.0]

I think I was on the opposite side of 360, looking at your pics. Did you guys cross the Yellow bridge on your way in? We were going to go in the way but on our way down there some guy told us they were writing tickets so we went over to the Ft Worth side, lots of people over there!

I was in a Puter Colorado Z71 on 32's, Chad was with me in a Black S-10 ZR2.
u have any pics of ur truck? i think i might have seen u, yah when we got there some guy from the "360 crew" said the same thing but we stil went anyways did not see no cops, maybe he was trying to scare :rolleyes:

[David]

In the end I could have gone. But the fucking weather reports and my judgement fucking suck.

[midniteblue5.0]

if i get out of work early we r going again 2morrow , if not prolly just go behind house of blades off 820

[GARS04]

u have any pics of ur truck? i think i might have seen u, yah when we got there some guy from the "360 crew" said the same thing but we stil went anyways did not see no cops, maybe he was trying to scare :rolleyes:

The cops were actually there when we headed down, it's just the Arlington side though where there writing tickets. The Ft Worth side seems to be fine, lots of people out there and no problems. Only pics I have are not recent, this is a pic with the 20's on it. It has 15's now with 32' Mud Terrains.

I won't be able to go back during the week but I will probably head back out there this coming weekend. I bet it will be good this weekend if we get all the rain there saying were supposed to.

[LZRREDGT]

looks like yall had some fun.

[midniteblue5.0]

yeah it got a little messy :rolleyes: