MMA News...couture

[Nate]

coming out of retirement...set to face Tim Sylvia March 3rd. Haven't been 100% confirmed but it is on mmaweekly.

[D]

I guess he'll have to squeeze that between filming episodes of "Pros vs Joes". :rolleyes: People who come out of "retirement" piss me off.

[ThreeFingerPete]

I hope couture beats sylvia's ass, just like I hope everyone beats sylvia's ass. He's a jackoff.

[kainzien]

I hope couture beats sylvia's ass, just like I hope everyone beats sylvia's ass. He's a jackoff.

x2
i was hoping he would fight cro cop.... guess not..

[JKD]

How fucking stupid. Why would he want to put himself in CroCop's line of sight? At his age he could get hurt bad. :(

[BP]

He couldn't beat Lidell at 205 but he's going to take on Silvia at 265??? I guess he must have watched the Rocky movie.

[AbecX]

He couldn't beat Lidell at 205 but he's going to take on Silvia at 265??? I guess he must have watched the Rocky movie.
lmfao

[Nate]

Wow...just wow at all of your comments lmao. Obviously not a place to discuss MMA on this board...where's Juiced and Wario?

[Tyrone Biggums]

Just read it on MMAWeekly as well. I've got mixed emotions about him coming back. Couture is an all around great guy and I'd love to see him put a beating on Sylvia just as much as the next guy, but he's not getting any younger. I'd hate to see him not be able to get inside on Tim or get caught with a heavy hand and then have live with the fact he came out of retirement and lost to a douchebag. Sylvia can fight. It's hard to watch him do it and not want to slap the shit out of him, but his record shows it. Is he the best heavyweight out there? Not even close. His time will come soon enough and I hope Couture does it, but my confidence isn't as high as it would be with Vera or Cro Cop.

Couture must be up to something or he's tired of watching that goofy knock-kneed bastard galavant that belt around. It's a pretty bold move if you ask me.

[Nate]

Well part of it not being Vera is him and the contract issues. They won't give a title fight to a guy with only 1 fight left on his contract.

I don't think Randy is coming back for just 1 fight regardless of the outcome by the way.

[Pro Trash]

Randy is no joke, I think he can match up well to Sylvia. After that last fight with Chuck though it doesn't look good for Randy and Sylvia does toss a hard punch.

[Juiced89lx]

i dont know what to think. Randy is my favorite fighter of all time. He had problems with bigger guys like Josh Barnett and Ricco Rodgriguez so I'm not sure what he will do with Sylvia. I wonder what his fight weight will be. I hope Randy works a shit load of wrestling and gnp in training. Especially if he can bring in some big guys to simulate Sylvia.

I'm definitely going for Couture but I think Sylvia wins this by boring decision or by KO. Tim's reach will be alot of trouble for Couture.....

[JKD]

Randy versus Tim wasn't my issue, it was thinkin past that. If Randy wins that puts him right in CroCop's warpath and I would hate to see Randy get hurt that bad.

[StangTamer]

Randy definately has more talent that Tim, but tim is a big guy and did show a decent take down defense against Monson. I am sure TS will be training hard to defend the take down and keep it on the feet. I could see this one go eaither way, it just depends on who can fight their fight. If TS keeps it standing he should win and if it goes to the ground Randy will pull it off.

[Matt93Cobra]

Randy is really being set up here. He is going to lose to Tim and that will help give Big Retarded Tim so credibility. I can't imagine what Mirko would do to Randy if that fight ever happened. Oh noes! I will be really surprised if Randy finishes this contract. I bet he only has 2 of these fights and then retires again.

[KJ94GT]

I tried watching Inside the UFC lastnight but passed out early. Randy was on there and was supposed to make some major announcement. I figured this was what it was going to be.
I'm not sure what to say either. Randy is also my favorite fighter to date. I just can't stand it when people come out of retirement. If he loses to Sylvia, he's going to lose the respect he has right now.

[AbecX]

If he loses to Sylvia, he's going to lose the respect he has right now.
We always say this, but its never true. Face facts, you cant clear the slate of someone that has built a reputation spanning 10 years over just one fight even if he does come out of retirement to win/lose. Hell, look at Mike Tyson, everyone hates that guy and he has not performed for shit in a LONG time, but he will always be a legend and thats something you can't take away.

[BOOSTED32V]

The Natural must have some marbles loose after that last beating The Iceman gave him. He has the talent to beat T.Silva, but probably won't. Even if IF he does beat him, CroCop is going to put him in a coma or kill him,one or the other...'H'

[The Big Matt]

John, I agree he did end up having trouble with bigger guys, but is also a much more well rounded fighter now, than he was back then.

And so were Barnett and Rico, compared to Sylvia.

He faired ok against the heavyweights in his day, beating Horn, Randleman, Overeem, Rizzo twice.

The only two things I see that would stand in Randy's way of beating Tim, are his age, and putting on the weight, since he's remained such a lean fighter over the last few years.

I think it would be a great fight, but if he does beat him, that really sets up a big loss to Cro Cop.

Now it could be that the UFC wants to "pass the torch" to Tim, so that when he beats Randy, and Cro Cop beats him, Cro Cop gains more credibility with the non Pride fans out there.

[AbecX]

Now it could be that the UFC wants to "pass the torch" to Tim, so that when he beats Randy, and Cro Cop beats him, Cro Cop gains more credibility with the non Pride fans out there.
Dont be dumb, there is no such thing as a non Pride fan.

[Juiced89lx]

that decision against Rizzo was questionable. Randy lost that fight IMO..

new rumor- UfC bought Pride.. I will post details as I get them. I dont know for sure but its strictly rumors at this point.

[Tyrone Biggums]

new rumor- UfC bought Pride.. I will post details as I get them. I dont know for sure but its strictly rumors at this point.

Interesting....

[BOOSTED32V]

that decision against Rizzo was questionable. Randy lost that fight IMO..

new rumor- UfC bought Pride.. I will post details as I get them. I dont know for sure but its strictly rumors at this point.
:eek:

[AbecX]

new rumor- UfC bought Pride.. I will post details as I get them. I dont know for sure but its strictly rumors at this point.
LINK LINK LINK LINK LINK LINK LINK LINK LINK LINK LINK LINK

[Juiced89lx]

http://www.mma.tv/tuf/index.cfm?ac=ListMessages&PID=1&TID=965614&FID=1&pc=264

here is the link to the thread. hopefully its no troll job

[Juiced89lx]

dana white posts on the thread saying its not true, but he could saying that until the deal is done. who knows though..

[Lyn]

Hey John, so Randy got a 4 fight contract?
Lyn

[Juiced89lx]

you're right lyn. i fell asleep watching that ufc show last night where he talked about it.

[StangTamer]

Anyone see that Showtime is going to have some MMA on Feb. 10th? It was called something like EliteX or something like that. Frank Shamrock vs. Renzo Gracie is the headliner.

[StangTamer]

Ahh...here's a link http://www.elitexc.com/ Not a bad fight card.

[BOOSTED32V]

I'm gonna start a fight with this bitch! YUM!!!!!

[Wario]

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[4.6 Love]

Randy is my favorite fighter of all time!!! :D

[onemeangixxer7502]

he announced on tv tonight he signed a 2 year 4 fight contract first fight is in march,matt hughes and rich franklin are also on that fight card.He stated that he wasnt all that impressed with spawl and stall techniques in different words.just kind of said he didnt go out to win the fight with monson,didnt go all out just played it safe

[AbecX]

Joe Rogan is such a scumbag fagmo.

[Tyrone Biggums]

Joe Rogan is such a scumbag fagmo.

Why is that?

[AbecX]

Why is that?
I don't know what the hell it is, but he just annoys the shit out of me, I think he is a horrible commentator, a horrible interviewer, but at least he is a decent comedian.

[onemeangixxer7502]

I don't know what the hell it is, but he just annoys the shit out of me, I think he is a horrible commentator, a horrible interviewer, but at least he is a decent comedian.
haha i got 10 bucks says joe rogan would mop the floor with your ass.You should see the videos where he man handles the dude who was talking shit about him on myspace.lol granted his commentating isnt like the best but hey hes got a good knowledge of the sport just hypes up fighters

[StangTamer]

I like Rogan. He knows his shit when it comes to MMA. I can't stand when Couture fills in for him.

[onemeangixxer7502]

I like Rogan. He knows his shit when it comes to MMA. I can't stand when Couture fills in for him.
only thing i dont like about him is if they catch some one in a sub, they are a "world class grapler" if they will stand and trade blows they are a "world class striker" which just turns people into nut huggers who have no real knowledge of the sport.Either way I think hes good at what he does and hes jiu jitsu isnt to shabby either

[AbecX]

haha i got 10 bucks says joe rogan would mop the floor with your ass.You should see the videos where he man handles the dude who was talking shit about him on myspace.lol granted his commentating isnt like the best but hey hes got a good knowledge of the sport just hypes up fighters
To bad you don't have $10 to bet with.

[onemeangixxer7502]

To bad you don't have $10 to bet with.
hahahaha oook,well i got 10 bucks you ready to get man handled by him?

[StangTamer]

only thing i dont like about him is if they catch some one in a sub, they are a "world class grapler" if they will stand and trade blows they are a "world class striker" which just turns people into nut huggers who have no real knowledge of the sport.Either way I think hes good at what he does and hes jiu jitsu isnt to shabby either

Yeah, but the UFC is at the top of MMA food chain. So I imagine "World Class" guys are going to be there.

[onemeangixxer7502]

Yeah, but the UFC is at the top of MMA food chain. So I imagine "World Class" guys are going to be there.
are you joking?lol UFC is just coming around and are by no means at the top of the MMA food chain.Pride as far as class and talent is in a whole differenet game.Why do you think they are signing all these people buying up contracts and other mma organizations.

[JKD]

Yeah, but the UFC is at the top of MMA food chain. So I imagine "World Class" guys are going to be there.


UFC is the top organization in the US, but not the world. You will see the difference when Crocop steps in the ring. Tim or Randy will be going out on a gurney.

[Skidonenko]

I think Mirko could make time give up with kicks to the leg

[BOOSTED32V]

UFC is the top organization in the US, but not the world. You will see the difference when Crocop steps in the ring. Tim or Randy will be going out on a gurney.That ain't no shit, I hope it's not The Natural, but I look forward too seeing T.Silva getting knocked the fuck out with a leg kick to the head by Crocop, OOOooooo nastay...'H'

[StangTamer]

are you joking?lol UFC is just coming around and are by no means at the top of the MMA food chain.Pride as far as class and talent is in a whole differenet game.Why do you think they are signing all these people buying up contracts and other mma organizations.


By saying they are at the top of the food chain, I mean they are up there with Pride and it isn't one of the smaller less talant groups. UFC has a weak Heavyweight group right now. But, UFC is pretty damn strong in all of the other weight classes. So they have plenty of talent IMO. As for why are they signing all of these people...Well, because they can...they have the $$$. Pride is going broke from what I hear. I don't think KOTC is big enough to be able to afford Cro-Cop. :D You also have to see that Pride has had alot of rejects that came from UFC as well, so they aren't just coming around. The UFC is business smart. They aren't getting Rampage because they want more talent. It is so they can hype up a big payday because every UFC fan wants to see Chuck revenge his loss.

[StangTamer]

UFC is the top organization in the US, but not the world. You will see the difference when Crocop steps in the ring. Tim or Randy will be going out on a gurney.


Oh, I am sure. But, you know what they say, "styles make fights", anything can happen. Who would have thought Randelman would KO Cro-Cop.lol I'm not saying I would bet on Tim by any means. But, he has a punchers chance...(a small one but a chance).

[BAD RELIGION]

I like Rogan. He knows his shit when it comes to MMA. I can't stand when Couture fills in for him.
at the gsp and hughes fight he said some funny shit "GSP uses so many moves. So many tools in his.............toolkit" lol wtf. I thought It was funny at least.

[BAD RELIGION]

I hope Randy takes it from Tim. his fights are boring and has his head up his ass. most of you guys would not agree with me but I really don't think it would be that bad against crocop. I know he would lose but not as bad as everyone says it would be.

[Matt93Cobra]

I hope Randy takes it from Tim. his fights are boring and has his head up his ass. most of you guys would not agree with me but I really don't think it would be that bad against crocop. I know he would lose but not as bad as everyone says it would be.

Randy would get MURDERED by Mirko. See Randy's last two fights against Chuck. Mirko is a very technical striker and hits very hard as you probably know. I see Randy getting beaten up pretty badly fighting good HW's fighters.

[JKD]

Oh, I am sure. But, you know what they say, "styles make fights", anything can happen. Who would have thought Randelman would KO Cro-Cop.lol I'm not saying I would bet on Tim by any means. But, he has a punchers chance...(a small one but a chance).


The only chance Tim has of beating Crocop is if Tim hits him with the ring post.

[Skidonenko]

The only chance Tim has of beating Crocop is if Tim hits him with the ring post.

LOL, or a stunner

[tex]

The only chance Tim has of beating Crocop is if Tim hits him with the ring post.
You know there are a dozen or so fighters in the world that would gladly take the fight even if Sylvia had a bat. I bet Henderson would even fight him if he were able.

[JKD]

You know there are a dozen or so fighters in the world that would gladly take the fight even if Sylvia had a bat. I bet Henderson would even fight him if he were able.



Oh, no doubt about that. I'm still unable to gather how Tim has been able to get to where he is. Other then his height and reach, I can't think of any other skills he has that just makes him championship material.

[The_Vegas_Guy]

Yeah, but the UFC is at the top of MMA food chain. So I imagine "World Class" guys are going to be there.

sorry I dont mean any offense or disrespect but I think you failed to read the directions properly, I am almost positive you are holding your "MMA Food Chain" upside down! Thats the only way you could see UFC at the top!

[The_Vegas_Guy]

somebody needs to start a poll about Randy vs Tim fight,

I dont mean poll on who will win, I want to see a Poll like this

(click here) If you think Tim will wear the belt for the entire fight

(click here) If you think Tim will actually take the belt off long enough to fight

[JKD]

Tim will kill himself in the middle of the ring when they take his belt from him. He reminds me of one of those crazy WWE fans that go out and make their own belts to wear everywhere.

[Nate]

sorry I dont mean any offense or disrespect but I think you failed to read the directions properly, I am almost positive you are holding your "MMA Food Chain" upside down! Thats the only way you could see UFC at the top!
do you think Pride is better off? With rumors of UFC buying them...and Pride not having a stranglehold on fighters are you think...UFC is at the top of the MMA food chain right now. Other than the HW division and LW division, UFC's other weight divisions are the best.

[JKD]

do you think Pride is better off? With rumors of UFC buying them...and Pride not having a stranglehold on fighters are you think...UFC is at the top of the MMA food chain right now. Other than the HW division and LW division, UFC's other weight divisions are the best.



You're on crack. Get off your armchair, get on mat and learn something about the sport before going spewing shit like that.

Buisness wise in the US, yes the UFC makes more money, but that does not mean they have the better quality of fighters.

[Nate]

You're on crack. Get off your armchair, get on mat and learn something about the sport before going spewing shit like that.

Buisness wise in the US, yes the UFC makes more money, but that does not mean they have the better quality of fighters.
...ok master of Jeet Kune Do...Pride does not have the best fighters hands down...they are mixed between the two and a few floating around other org's as well. Just because you say Pride has the best fighters does not mean they have the best either.

[JKD]

...ok master of Jeet Kune Do...Pride does not have the best fighters hands down...they are mixed between the two and a few floating around other org's as well. Just because you say Pride has the best fighters does not mean they have the best either.

Blah blah blah. The point of it all is, UFC is not the top in the world. It is in the US and that's because they buy anyone out that is even a remote threat.

Dana White = Don King of MMA. It's soon to become a political three ring circus.

[Juiced89lx]

so one has to train to have an opinion??

for someone who "trains" you sure do say some funny shit...

is bjj really for homos?

[onemeangixxer7502]

...ok master of Jeet Kune Do...Pride does not have the best fighters hands down...they are mixed between the two and a few floating around other org's as well. Just because you say Pride has the best fighters does not mean they have the best either.
man as far as a larger talent pool pride has it won hands down,dont get caught up in the ufc and its hype.There is top world contenders in ufc BUT Id theres a larger talent pool in pride because they are more worldly and not as focused on us fighters.I mean look how a fighter from another org. demolished rich franklin with ease mind you.Why do you think they are signing other big name fighters and buying up other organizations?hummmmmmm Anyways theres good fighters in both but alot more talent spread out across pride.Oh yah and jiu jitsu is only gay if you look eachother in the eye!lol jk

[Juiced89lx]

Pride has the better heavyweights and a slight edge in the LHW class. Their Bushido (mw and ltw) shows are done. There will be no more..
UFC's 155lb, 170 and 185 lb classes are better than Pride's. You also have different rules with UFC and Pride.
Some average UFC fighter could go there and kick some major ass with the rules in Pride. You could also have a Pride fighter, Wanderlei for instance come fight in the UFC and get mauled. How is going to get up when a good wrestler has him smashed against the cage? In the ring you cant stack them up and gnp the shit out of them..



You cant use Anderson vs Franklin as an example. Anderson has fought all over and Franklin was coming off a broken hand and didnt fight for almost a year. Then to step up like that with no warm up fight is crazy.

[Wario]

UFC has as whole has better fighters.

Unless your in love with Japanese tomoato cans.

[onemeangixxer7502]

UFC has as whole has better fighters.

Unless your in love with Japanese tomoato cans.
ehh personaly I think its tit for tat.Theres better fighters in each arena and saying you cant use franklin because of his hand is the weak suace.Hes a nice guy and a good figher but he got smashed in every sense of the word.He looked hopeless and clueless in the clench.I got a dollar that says he will work from the clench alot while sparing and practicing.lol

[Juiced89lx]

weak sauce? lol
how is that weak? a fighter takes almost a year off because of a broken hand, comes back vs the #1 contender. no warm up fight whatsoever... get smashed and that is weak?

[onemeangixxer7502]

weak sauce? lol
how is that weak? a fighter takes almost a year off because of a broken hand, comes back vs the #1 contender. no warm up fight whatsoever... get smashed and that is weak?
yes coming from some one who said he wouldnt be scared to throw hands wiht anyone in the world and your talking like "the spider" had some awesome warm up fight by finishing chris lebon in a few seconds.Hes good but that tells you the something when he comes along and just man handles a title holder.Either way i think franklin is a A class fighter who just was outmatched.they are gonna bring big talent in all weight classes to spice it up a bit.They are doing to tim sylvia what they did to franklin.Ill be glad to see anyone beat him with his sprawl and stall tatics

[Juiced89lx]

Do you think Anderson only had 1 fight last year?? hell, he fought 5 times in a year span. Cage Rage, ROTR, and UFC. Franklin fought a boring ass fight with the crow, then fought anderson. Im not making excuses just presenting facts...

[onemeangixxer7502]

Do you think Anderson only had 1 fight last year?? hell, he fought 5 times in a year span. Cage Rage, ROTR, and UFC. Franklin fought a boring ass fight with the crow, then fought anderson. Im not making excuses just presenting facts...
ehh facts whaaatev.we will agree to disagree.a world champ whos supposed to be a A level fighter shoudlnt get walked through like that i dont care who it is that just means your not as good as everyone thought.On that note rich will be guest commentating at a local fight here before long! I must go get pics and a autograph.!lol

[Wario]

ehh facts whaaatev.we will agree to disagree.a world champ whos supposed to be a A level fighter shoudlnt get walked through like that i dont care who it is that just means your not as good as everyone thought.On that note rich will be guest commentating at a local fight here before long! I must go get pics and a autograph.!lol

A few years ago kevin randleman walked right through Mirko Crocop, anyone can have a bad night. At no point after that fight did I say Cop must suck.

[onemeangixxer7502]

A few years ago kevin randleman walked right through Mirko Crocop, anyone can have a bad night. At no point after that fight did I say Cop must suck.
yah but your talking a lucky shot by randle man vs anderson sivla just walking right through him.I dont dislike rich or think hes a shitty fighter I just think that in some weight classes theres loits of other big talent not in the ufc

[Wario]

yah but your talking a lucky shot by randle man vs anderson sivla just walking right through him.I dont dislike rich or think hes a shitty fighter I just think that in some weight classes theres loits of other big talent not in the ufc

I think a a few months back you talked about having a few fights under your belt. You of all people should know any punch, kick, or submission that lands is NOT luck. Luck is your opponent slipping and twisting his knee and you get the win.

[onemeangixxer7502]

I think a a few months back you talked about having a few fights under your belt. You of all people should know any punch, kick, or submission that lands is NOT luck. Luck is your opponent slipping and twisting his knee and you get the win.
yah,but come on randleman ko'in mirko isnt something to be repeated.Its the punchers chance.although that was a sweet fake for a shoot and one over the top.Night night.I just think pride is a more worldy organization.I think rich had a bad showing the last fight and i think him and hughes will come back stronger
oh and ill fight again in about 90 or so days its been awhile tho.lol

[Wario]

yah,but come on randleman ko'in mirko isnt something to be repeated.Its the punchers chance.although that was a sweet fake for a shoot and one over the top.Night night.I just think pride is a more worldy organization.I think rich had a bad showing the last fight and i think him and hughes will come back stronger
oh and ill fight again in about 90 or so days its been awhile tho.lol

I got what your saying man, just playing devils advocate. ;)
Where will you be fighting and who's the promoter?

[JKD]

so one has to train to have an opinion??

for someone who "trains" you sure do say some funny shit...

is bjj really for homos?


I know you aren't referring to me. My game is well rounded including BJJ. If you don't have ground skills you aren't a complete fighter. The only time I have said a strict BJJ fighter is useless is on the street. You get caught on the ground on the street you are asking for you head to be stomped in.

[Juiced89lx]

JKD, I was referring to you... who is your bjj instructor? Who gave him his belts? Do you train with gi or no-gi? What belt are you? How many fights have you had?
IMO you can't call yourself a fighter without stepping into the ring or cage..

Inquiring minds want to know.

[JKD]

JKD, I was referring to you... who is your bjj instructor? Who gave him his belts? Do you train with gi or no-gi? What belt are you? How many fights have you had?
IMO you can't call yourself a fighter without stepping into the ring or cage..

Inquiring minds want to know.

These are biased questions since I personally do not fit into this category, but I will humor you.

1) Will Elias is my ground skills instructor. He holds 2 different black belts in different grappling systems.
2) Kioushou

3) Both

4) I have recieved numerous "belts" but I give them no merit as I don't with any system. A "belt" or "rank" is a false rating at ones ability.

5) I've competed on a national level with a couple of martial art "sports" but they are just that - sports. But I have real fights every week in training. I've also had countless street fights - won some, lost some. If you're looking for a record I can't give you one. I've won some tournaments, but who cares that counts for nothing. Sport fighting is not my personal focus. To me it's about the journey of being a complete martial artist.


IMO you can't call yourself a fighter without stepping into the ring or cage.. .


I somewhat agree with your statement, it is an experience, but experience with set conditions. I personally don't primarily train myself for a conditioned enviorment any longer. I train for real street altercations. I've trained some really talented guys ( I'm not going to be a name dropper like most people) I do very well under MMA rules, but those guys get lit up under no rules conditions.

A cage or ring is not/cannot be the only gauge in which one sets the standard of what a fight "is" or "is not".

By all means, ask the people on the board who have come out and trained with me. They are not "nuthuggers" or anything like that. Some stayed with me, some have left. I have no idea what they will say. I have an open door policy, informal situation.

[Juiced89lx]

too be completely honest I dont care about the traditional martial arts. Probably because I dont know much about them I'm into mma (bjj, wrestling, kickboxing, thai boxing) and that's it. Eye gouging and kicking people in the nuts is pretty sick and I dont think I would even stoop to that level in a street fight. (first off I dont ever see myself in a street fight).

I asked about your instructor since I've never heard of the guy. I just wanted to know if you actually trained BJJ under a legit bjj player. if so I would definitely come out since it cheap or free.

i saw Nick invited you to come roll with the guys. A couple of them have fights coming up next month and I hear they are training hard. I dont think I'm ready to get in there and be a tap dummy so I'm prolly gonna roll at Nick's garage for a lil bit before I hit the gym again.


how come you dont open a gym and charge people? I think that would be better than having to work for the man. You should be able to get alot of paying customers with all of those accolades. Especially with kids classes.

[Juiced89lx]

back in topic.

good Randy Couture article.

http://www.insidefighting.com/betweenRoundsDisp.aspx?uid=3357

[JKD]

too be completely honest I dont care about the traditional martial arts. Probably because I dont know much about them I'm into mma (bjj, wrestling, kickboxing, thai boxing) and that's it. Eye gouging and kicking people in the nuts is pretty sick and I dont think I would even stoop to that level in a street fight. (first off I dont ever see myself in a street fight).

I asked about your instructor since I've never heard of the guy. I just wanted to know if you actually trained BJJ under a legit bjj player. if so I would definitely come out since it cheap or free.

i saw Nick invited you to come roll with the guys. A couple of them have fights coming up next month and I hear they are training hard. I dont think I'm ready to get in there and be a tap dummy so I'm prolly gonna roll at Nick's garage for a lil bit before I hit the gym again.


how come you dont open a gym and charge people? I think that would be better than having to work for the man. You should be able to get alot of paying customers with all of those accolades. Especially with kids classes.


I know it sounds cheesy and cliche, but it's true - I love teaching and sharing the arts with other people who have a passion (or interest) in the arts. Seeing the arts do for others what it does for me is simply amazing. Stronger, faster and more confident, conquering themselves and their own fears, that's my reward. Some people don't want to know about the tradional side (which is fine) but I feel it's necesary to know as much as possible regardless if I'm going to educate others.

It's hard to explain in text, in person I could better explain it. With the understanding that in the ring is the only truly safe and legal way to do hand to hand combat with a medical staff nearby it's what alot of people have known to come of the arts.

You have a fixed enviorment (meaning a ring/cage and a ref, no outside interference possibilities.) Two fighters at peak condition mentally and physically with the knowing that both are about to enter combat. Before the fight even starts there is a cadence to a sporting fight, a broken rhythm which both fighters have a natural understanding through training this paticular way.

I train myself (and others) what they will most likely end up facing ( just like a ring fighter would) in the street, just with a different set of parameters. Eye gouging, groin kicks, small joint locks (frowned upon by most BJJ purists, seen as cheesy) are much needed learned techniques.

In the real world, you don't get a ref enforced 5 minutues break when you get hit in the groin. You have to keep your wits about you and over come the situation. There has been numerous times I've sparred with a "higher caliber" ring/cage fighter and they can't hang because of the differences between us. But the same would happen to me if I were to enter their enviorment with my own training and style.

You'll notice that you rarely ever see a "JKD" fighter in some sort of MMA event, it's the wrong tool for the wrong job. We're trying to get to the same place, just using different vehicles and routes to get there.

BTW, don't be afraid to throw youself in the "big pond". I learned some of my best lessons that way (be it painful ones at times, but never forgot them for the same reasons)

If Nick has training sessions at his garage on the weekends I'd love to give it a try. I'm always willing to train with anyone and learn from anyone. You'd be amazed at what you can learn from just anyone. Each fighter is unique and offers some other lesson.

[onemeangixxer7502]

belts hold no merrit?wtf I dont know what mcdojo you go to but belts play a big part in big name BJJ schools.THey dont give them out just to give them they earn them.PErsonally Ive only beento a tradition bjj place a few times and rolled both gi and no gi.Mostly What I drill is A mix of everything*wrestling,catch wreslting bjj and judo throws*with a huge focus on the clench.Anyways I myself how no belts and If i was to go to a bjj Id prob be a white but my technique isnt bad by any means.Annnnyways
Ill be fighting in prob okc possibly ar,the guy who promotes the fights does it in either norman ok,okc ok,now hes doing some in arkansas.

[Wario]

belts hold no merrit?wtf I dont know what mcdojo you go to but belts play a big part in big name BJJ schools.THey dont give them out just to give them they earn them.PErsonally Ive only beento a tradition bjj place a few times and rolled both gi and no gi.Mostly What I drill is A mix of everything*wrestling,catch wreslting bjj and judo throws*with a huge focus on the clench.Anyways I myself how no belts and If i was to go to a bjj Id prob be a white but my technique isnt bad by any means.Annnnyways
Ill be fighting in prob okc possibly ar,the guy who promotes the fights does it in either norman ok,okc ok,now hes doing some in arkansas.

I have a contact in Louisiana for amateur fights if you want.

[Juiced89lx]

interesting, jkd. no offense but that sounds very mcdojoish to me. to each his own though.

i have to agree with gixxer, whether you admit it or not, belts do hold merit. unless you buy them of course. :( but then again, any respectable bjj player would not sell out like that.. there is a big difference in training with a legit bjj black belt and your tma instructor.

who are these "higher caliber" fighters you have sparred with? Dont be scared to name drop. ;)

[StangTamer]

All I know, is when I trained at Mohlers Jiu-Jitsu belts held a shit load of merit. IF a (130lb)purple belt rolled with a (200lb)blue belt(ieme) the blue belt was tapping. If a brown belt was rolling with a purple belt the purple belt was tapping.

I will say BJJ humbled me a shit load. I couldn't believe I was getting beat by smaller weaker guys. But that is why I liked it so much, because it worked. Usually in the Karate world the bigger stronger guy will win 90% of the time.


<---(sniffs)1999 BJJ Big D Champ(sniffs) :D

[onemeangixxer7502]

All I know, is when I trained at Mohlers Jiu-Jitsu belts held a shit load of merit. IF a (130lb)purple belt rolled with a (200lb)blue belt(ieme) the blue belt was tapping. If a brown belt was rolling with a purple belt the purple belt was tapping.

I will say BJJ humbled me a shit load. I couldn't believe I was getting beat by smaller weaker guys. But that is why I liked it so much, because it worked. Usually in the Karate world the bigger stronger guy will win 90% of the time.


<---(sniffs)1999 BJJ Big D Champ(sniffs) :Dyes there is alot of merrit when it comes to belt in real time bjj schools.Because any white can spaz the whole time*which i hate rolling with* or bigger guys who likee to use the smothering cow technique.but they dont have to get you a belt in a allotted time they give it when they think your ready.

[JKD]

interesting, jkd. no offense but that sounds very mcdojoish to me. to each his own though.




From your point of view I can understand why you think that. JKD practioners tend to be always on the outside of the mainstream window looking in. I think if we could sit down and talk I could better explain what I mean.


All I know, is when I trained at Mohlers Jiu-Jitsu belts held a shit load of merit. IF a (130lb)purple belt rolled with a (200lb)blue belt(ieme) the blue belt was tapping. If a brown belt was rolling with a purple belt the purple belt was tapping.

I will say BJJ humbled me a shit load. I couldn't believe I was getting beat by smaller weaker guys. But that is why I liked it so much, because it worked. Usually in the Karate world the bigger stronger guy will win 90% of the time.


<---(sniffs)1999 BJJ Big D Champ(sniffs) :D



That makes sense though, both fighters are being confined by the same system, so experience usually wins. Grappling (I'm not gonna label it just BJJ) by nature is a leverage based set of techniques. Grappling is great, I personally love it. It's a chess match on the ground. The same could be said for pure striking, it's all in how you look at things.


The ranking systems is another reason why JKD practioners tend to be the bastard practioners of the arts. Expeirence is the only "ranking" that JKD has. I don't look down on anyone who is a strict practioner of a single art. If that is what has captured your interest then by all means, work hard and perfect your techniques.

But to me personally, I learn as much as I can. Try everything I can, blend what works for me, throw away what doesn't. Here in text, to you it may sound very "Mcdojoish", "Airy Fairy" which is funny to me because it couldn't be more opposite. My JKD, and I say "My" JKD is not the same as another practioners JKD. Every practioners should develop what works for him/her best. Refine those movements until they can be refined no more. What may work for one, may not necessarily work for another for various reasons. (body type, temperment, aggressiveness etc) But the basics still apply to all. One must learn how to properly utilize the body for as much leverage as possible. I dont' know how many times I've come across "golden glove champs" that cannot properly throw a punch. Wasted energy, telegraphing etc. Or national competitiors that know NOTHING of economy of motion, timing, cadence, rhythm/broken rhythm etc etc.

Basically what I am saying is, when a practioner limits himself to one "style" he is limiting himself to the limits of that style.

[Juiced89lx]

reading that makes me want to go break some boards and concrete cinder (sp?)blocks. KEE-YAH!!

but for real.. who are these higher caliber fighters you have sparred with? I'm sure I'm not the only one who wants to know this.

[JKD]

reading that makes me want to go break some boards and concrete cinder (sp?)blocks. KEE-YAH!!

Thanks for the respect. I genuinely try to explain something and you make fun of it. JKD is anything but traditional so I'm not even sure where you get this idea of boards and concrete. But like you said, you arent educated on the arts on the whole but only what PPV has taught you.


but for real.. who are these higher caliber fighters you have sparred with? I'm sure I'm not the only one who wants to know this.

Apparently it doesn't matter. No matter what I say you are going to disect it, twist it and make fun of it to suit your needs. Rather then having an open mind you've already made your mind up about me without even as much as sitting at talking to me, let alone any kind of real training.

[The Big Matt]

The reason there are rankings in martial arts is for a unified front of knowledge and practice.

True there are tons of places you can just buy a belt, but let's be real here. Rankings aren't pure bs.

The problem with JKD has, and will be that it is an incomplete art. Bruce Lee never finished it. Same can be said for American Kenpo under Ed Parker. Now there are 40 different styles of American Kenpo "based" on Ed Parkers system, but only one organization that follows his original basis, the IKKA. Don't get me wrong some of the other systems such as the AKKI, or even Jeff Speakman's "version 5.0", are great additions to the original material. But at the same time there are a dozen or so other styles that really steal from the original ideas, and have no basis being associated with American Kenpo.

This is what bothers me about JKD, with no real ranking system, only "experience"; there is nothing to judge your knowledge of the subject with. You could technically start teaching JKD to people with very little experience, because there is no official curriculum or procedure to instruction any more.

Unfortunately the true depth and insight into JKD died along with Bruce Lee. Sure there are plenty of people who understand, teach, and practice his methods and teachings, but no one can give insight into what he really was trying to convey in his teachings. Much like religion, which is a totally different discussion. But it's how I like to compare "incomplete martial arts". Anyone can put their adaptation on the text in front of them, but only those who wrote the material, because we are speaking of spiritual, mental, and physical attributes, know how to interpret the material.

There is nothing wrong with learning as much as you want about different arts, but this quote comes to mind... "Jack of all trades, master of none."

I know several people who have trained in several arts, and hold multiple ranks in multiple systems. No one discredits their previous ranks when they start a new system, but you just don't jump to the head of the pack in another system without proving your knowledge of the subject matter. That's like having a bachelors in Biochemistry, and going back to college to request your free bachelors of Business, just because you have the previous degree.

I agree with you, learn all you can, about all you are interested in, but don't limit your learning to "oh i know enough about that".

[Wario]

With all do respect. I think to poke another man in the eye, kick him in the balls or snap his finger is just flat out bullshit.

[onemeangixxer7502]

With all do respect. I think to poke another man in the eye, kick him in the balls or snap his finger is just flat out bullshit.
ball kicking is weak,but id gouge an eye or snap a finger and not think twice if need be.Not just to do it but incase i was in some trouble

[BOOSTED32V]

With all do respect. I think to poke another man in the eye, kick him in the balls or snap his finger is just flat out bullshit.
Yeah, I'm gonna disagree with that as well Nick, in an all out fight there are no rules, it would be the same as kicking somone in the knee "area" you are trying to disable an attacker, same with kicking him in the balls or gouging out an eye or breaking a bone. Now in a controlled enviroment, yes I agree totally, there must be rules and they must be respected and enforced. Self defense is just that, you and Wi come out of club in deep ellum and some clown comes around the corner and demands your money and jewlry, BAM you diasable him as quicky as possible and if you had to take out an eye or ball sac, hey thats the way it is...'Henry

[onemeangixxer7502]

Yeah, I'm gonna disagree with that as well Nick, in an all out fight there are no rules, it would be the same as kicking somone in the knee "area" you are trying to disable an attacker, same with kicking him in the balls or gouging out an eye or breaking a bone. Now in a controlled enviroment, yes I agree totally, there must be rules and they must be respected and enforced. Self defense is just that, you and Wi come out of club in deep ellum and some clown comes around the corner and demands your money and jewlry, BAM you diasable him as quicky as possible and if you had to take out an eye or ball sac, hey thats the way it is...'Henry
I think extreme time calls for extreme measures in a confrenatation with your average joe your gonna eye gouge him?or break a finger.Id do it if my life wasin danger but im not gonna ruin some guys sight just because he wanted to throw down.I agree theres no such thing as a fair fight but dont do perm damage if its not needed

[BOOSTED32V]

I think extreme time calls for extreme measures in a confrenatation with your average joe your gonna eye gouge him?or break a finger.Id do it if my life wasin danger but im not gonna ruin some guys sight just because he wanted to throw down.I agree theres no such thing as a fair fight but dont do perm damage if its not neededI totally agree, there are different circumstances for every type of engagement. The example I gave is a TRUE threat, this guy might kill you or harm you very badly, that situation will require force, if it becomes deadly for the attacker or some sort of permament disability, tough shit for him, he should have chosen a different profession. If I'm at a poker game and some drunk friend of a friend starts acting dumb and talking shit then yes, he will probably just get a good old fashion beat down or get chocked out, see the difference now? Read my sig, that is a perfect example of how I view life, I don't take idle threats with a grain of rice, everytime I leave the comfy and safe confines of my home, I put myself in "yelllow mode" cautious if you will of all my surroundings. Some people think I'm a little overboard, but you will never, EVER catch me with my guard down, hell I even carry my gun in church, LOL!

[onemeangixxer7502]

I totally agree, there are different circumstances for every type of engagement. The example I gave is a TRUE threat, this guy might kill you or harm you very badly, that situation will require force, if it becomes deadly for the attacker or some sort of permament disability, tough shit for him, he should have chosen a different profession. If I'm at a poker game and some drunk friend of a friend starts acting dumb and talking shit then yes, he will probably just get a good old fashion beat down or get chocked out, see the difference now? Read my sig, that is a perfect example of how I view life, I don't take idle threats with a grain of rice, everytime I leave the comfy and safe confines of my home, I put myself in "yelllow mode" cautious if you will of all my surroundings. Some people think I'm a little overboard, but you will never, EVER catch me with my guard down, hell I even carry my gun in church, LOL!
k lol just making sure your not breaking a finger or gouging an eye in every street fight just for your jollies.haha bump into some one they say "watch it asshole" then you reply wtih a shot in the nuts an eye gouge and call it a night!

[tex]

k lol just making sure your not breaking a finger or gouging an eye in every street fight just for your jollies.haha bump into some one they say "watch it asshole" then you reply wtih a shot in the nuts an eye gouge and call it a night!
You've seen me fight?

[Grandnat]

1) Will Elias is my ground skills instructor. He holds 2 different black belts in different grappling systems.

WHO?


4) I have recieved numerous "belts" but I give them no merit as I don't with any system. A "belt" or "rank" is a false rating at ones ability.

I think you should give belt rank merit, unless it was given to you by some mcdojo

I give my BJJ rank merit.




I've trained some really talented guys ( I'm not going to be a name dropper like most people) I do very well under MMA rules, but those guys get lit up under no rules conditions.


This attitude is bullshit IMO. It is rediculous to think that an MMA fighter is incapable of using dirty tricks in the street because they are conditioned to following rules. I think they can grasp the difference between a sanctioned fight and a fight for their lives.


So far, all the JKD people I have met are delusional fanboys of Bruce Lee and are little more than "fantasy practitioners".

I hope you are not like that JKD for your sake, but you sure are sounding like it.

but for now I am willing to give you the benefit of the doubt.

[JKD]

The reason there are rankings in martial arts is for a unified front of knowledge and practice.

True there are tons of places you can just buy a belt, but let's be real here. Rankings aren't pure bs.

The problem with JKD has, and will be that it is an incomplete art. Bruce Lee never finished it. Same can be said for American Kenpo under Ed Parker. Now there are 40 different styles of American Kenpo "based" on Ed Parkers system, but only one organization that follows his original basis, the IKKA. Don't get me wrong some of the other systems such as the AKKI, or even Jeff Speakman's "version 5.0", are great additions to the original material. But at the same time there are a dozen or so other styles that really steal from the original ideas, and have no basis being associated with American Kenpo.

This is what bothers me about JKD, with no real ranking system, only "experience"; there is nothing to judge your knowledge of the subject with. You could technically start teaching JKD to people with very little experience, because there is no official curriculum or procedure to instruction any more.

Unfortunately the true depth and insight into JKD died along with Bruce Lee. Sure there are plenty of people who understand, teach, and practice his methods and teachings, but no one can give insight into what he really was trying to convey in his teachings. Much like religion, which is a totally different discussion. But it's how I like to compare "incomplete martial arts". Anyone can put their adaptation on the text in front of them, but only those who wrote the material, because we are speaking of spiritual, mental, and physical attributes, know how to interpret the material.

There is nothing wrong with learning as much as you want about different arts, but this quote comes to mind... "Jack of all trades, master of none."

I know several people who have trained in several arts, and hold multiple ranks in multiple systems. No one discredits their previous ranks when they start a new system, but you just don't jump to the head of the pack in another system without proving your knowledge of the subject matter. That's like having a bachelors in Biochemistry, and going back to college to request your free bachelors of Business, just because you have the previous degree.

I agree with you, learn all you can, about all you are interested in, but don't limit your learning to "oh i know enough about that".


You mention some very interesting points.

The reason there are rankings in martial arts is for a unified front of knowledge and practice.

True, but how many times have you come across a traditional black belt martial artist that really can't fight? I have and still do all the time at sessions. One of many problems with classical systems is the absence of full contact training.

True there are tons of places you can just buy a belt, but let's be real here. Rankings aren't pure bs.

There are very few good schools and instructors in todays world. There is a school on almost every corner turning out bleck belts as fast as people can pay for them. But there is still a few rare instructors out there that still make people earn them. But the majority are fast food type.

I really love teaching what I do know to people. It upsets me when I get a new student who tells me he has trained for years in Xwhatever system, but cannot properly throw a punch. It's beyond me how many instructors can in good conscience send their students out in the world knowing they can't properly defend themselves if need be.



This is what bothers me about JKD, with no real ranking system, only "experience"; there is nothing to judge your knowledge of the subject with.

It's an odd idea to alot of people which I've always found strange why people cannot grasp the concept. Just like the real world, you learn everything by experience. Just because someone learns a couple of forms/kate/poomse, maybe a couple of one step self defense movements cannot effectively be the measure of a practioners progress. Just because you learn the movements on dry land how to swim doesn't mean you can just jump into the pool.


You could technically start teaching JKD to people with very little experience, because there is no official curriculum or procedure to instruction any more.

You could technically start teaching JKD to people with very little experience, because there is no official curriculum or procedure to instruction any more.

Sadly, it is true, but that can be said about any system. But there is a curriculum still today in place. Some accept it, some don't. It's headed by Dan Inosanto who Bruce left in charge. That's why there is a big split right down the middle of the JKD community (JKD Principles and JKD Concepts)


Unfortunately the true depth and insight into JKD died along with Bruce Lee. Sure there are plenty of people who understand, teach, and practice his methods and teachings, but no one can give insight into what he really was trying to convey in his teachings. Much like religion, which is a totally different discussion. But it's how I like to compare "incomplete martial arts". Anyone can put their adaptation on the text in front of them, but only those who wrote the material, because we are speaking of spiritual, mental, and physical attributes, know how to interpret the material.


Very true and well said. I will add to that though, Bruce understood everyone is different and left it open for the individual practioner to figure out how to apply to themselves.

JKD has often been misunderstood as a system. Before he died he discussed with Inosanto of dropping the whole name and label. Giving something a label automatically gives someone to the idea of a box to put JKD into based on what they think JKD "is". More often then not, most people have no idea.

JKD is NOT a fixed system like your traditonal/classical arts. It was a training method Bruce developed for HIMSELF. This is what worked for him. He passed along alot of ideas to try for other individual practioners. The basic principles apply to all , from there he expected everyone to put in the work and try to find out what works for them. Bruce's "JKD" is what worked for him, but it wouldn't be the same of what your "JKD" would be for you or me. Our body types, mentalities etc are all different from his. It's up the individual to searxch what works best for himself.


There is nothing wrong with learning as much as you want about different arts, but this quote comes to mind... "Jack of all trades, master of none."

Very true,but 99% of most classical martial artists are being taught a whole system when they remember very little of it and master even less. In my opinion, it's better to have a handful of mastered techniques then a plethora half learned ones.


Thanks for the good conversation Matt. :)

[The_Vegas_Guy]

interesting, jkd. no offense but that sounds very mcdojoish to me. to each his own though.

i have to agree with gixxer, whether you admit it or not, belts do hold merit. unless you buy them of course. :( but then again, any respectable bjj player would not sell out like that.. there is a big difference in training with a legit bjj black belt and your tma instructor.

who are these "higher caliber" fighters you have sparred with? Dont be scared to name drop. ;)

Juiced. when JKD says belts hold no merit he means personally, not overall. I have had no formal training, although JKD has taught me a thing or two. Ive been in more street fights than I can count, and many have been against more than 1 opponent. a 3rd degree blackbelt holds no merit on the street and thats the truth. You get some guy who is pretty damn good in a ring with a ref and rules and has a "black-belt" and put him on the street with me and he will end up crying to his instructor because he had no idea what to do when I broke his nose with a headbutt, or didnt get a "rest as long as you need to rest" break after he catches an intentional shot to the balls. MMA is great and I love it, but true street fighting, that which has no rules or ref, is an entirely different monster.

[Juiced89lx]

ONE MORE TIME... Do you not think mma fighters never had street fights or bar fights before?? Do you think that someone just up and decided to start fighting amateur or pro without any kind of experience in the street?
Where do you think mma came from?? It was Vale Tudo before it was americanized. For you slow people, Vale Tudo means no rules.... Its crazy to think that these guys can fight With rules, but some joe schmoe will school them without rules.. Let me also remind you that when nhb/vale tudo first started there were no time limits..

towards the end of this highlight there is a good example of a vale tudo fight with headbutts, eye gouging, and using the finger to open the cuts on the other guys face.

Maybe you guys can videotape a little training for us and post it up. Maybe that will help change my thinking on the subject.

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[JKD]

ONE MORE TIME... Do you not think mma fighters never had street fights or bar fights before?? Do you think that someone just up and decided to start fighting amateur or pro without any kind of experience in the street?
Where do you think mma came from?? It was Vale Tudo before it was americanized. For you slow people, Vale Tudo means no rules.... Its crazy to think that these guys can fight With rules, but some joe schmoe will school them without rules.. Let me also remind you that when nhb/vale tudo first started there were no time limits..

towards the end of this highlight there is a good example of a vale tudo fight with headbutts, eye gouging, and using the finger to open the cuts on the other guys face.

Maybe you guys can videotape a little training for us and post it up. Maybe that will help change my thinking on the subject.

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We're gonna have to sit down sometime so I can better explain what I am saying. You're completely missing my points. I'm not saying one is better then the other, I'm saying they are different.

MMA/Vale Tudo, regardless of rules/limits, it's still a controlled enviorment, 1-on1 with a referee in a ring, with a floor that gives way. The strategy is still completely different then a streetfight, with possible additional attackers, weapons in an uncontrolled enviorment with an endless scenario.

The above conversation was in reference to BJJ practioners at first. In a street enviorment, the ground is the last place you WANT to be, in most cases ends up there with untrained fighters. With multiple attackers a BJJ practioner will get his head stomped in the concrete no matter how good he is.

In a sport setting (controlled enviorment) BJJ is AWESOME, because it slows the pace and allows better control. I know alot of hardcore MMA fans get upset when MMA is referred to as a "sport setting" but that's exacatly what it is. The term isn't meant to be offensive, but alot of MMA fans take it that way as if since it's a sport setting it's not as good or lesser.

[BAD RELIGION]

wasn't this a Randy thread?

[StangTamer]

LOL!! In a street fight BJJ still works, and very well at that. I would put money down that if someone that isn't trained in BJJ or other ground training and went up against a true purple belt or even blue belt in BJJ they would be tapping in under 45 seconds or less. Now against multiple people, there isn't alot you can do, with any style. If there are 2-3 determined people that come at you at the same time you better run because you are most likely going to get your ass kicked.

[AbecX]

Now against multiple people, there isn't alot you can do, with any style. If there are 2-3 determined people that come at you at the same time you better run because you are most likely going to get your ass kicked.
Not if you're a shoalin monk.

[The_Vegas_Guy]

LOL!! In a street fight BJJ still works, and very well at that. I would put money down that if someone that isn't trained in BJJ or other ground training and went up against a true purple belt or even blue belt in BJJ they would be tapping in under 45 seconds or less. Now against multiple people, there isn't alot you can do, with any style. If there are 2-3 determined people that come at you at the same time you better run because you are most likely going to get your ass kicked.


RUN = die tired

fuck that!

[Juiced89lx]

this thread is so way off topic now, i will add some more Randy to it.
http://www.carladams.com/_images/instantReplay/couturevskerr.jpg
http://www.carladams.com/_images/instantReplay/kerrvscouture.jpg http://www.sherdog.com/_images/pictures/3/3334.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v366/tornvictor/captaincouture.jpg

[onemeangixxer7502]

ONE MORE TIME... Do you not think mma fighters never had street fights or bar fights before?? Do you think that someone just up and decided to start fighting amateur or pro without any kind of experience in the street?
Where do you think mma came from?? It was Vale Tudo before it was americanized. For you slow people, Vale Tudo means no rules.... Its crazy to think that these guys can fight With rules, but some joe schmoe will school them without rules.. Let me also remind you that when nhb/vale tudo first started there were no time limits..

towards the end of this highlight there is a good example of a vale tudo fight with headbutts, eye gouging, and using the finger to open the cuts on the other guys face.

Maybe you guys can videotape a little training for us and post it up. Maybe that will help change my thinking on the subject.

<object width="425" height="350"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/Hxt2_Co4eoU"></param><param name="wmode" value="transparent"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/Hxt2_Co4eoU" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" wmode="transparent" width="425" height="350"></embed></object>great video and point,MAn I used to be a big fan of mark kerr.Sorry to see what his addiction did to him.Either way man his gnp was something else back in the day when you can headbutt/knee to the head of a downed person etc etc.He was a machine

[bert89coupe]

You've seen me fight?



i have :(


<------ as i type with 3 fingers and only able to see out of one eye

[onemeangixxer7502]

i have :(


<------ as i type with 3 fingers and only able to see out of one eye
haha

[Wario]

This one is always good for a laugh.

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o102/crowbarspictures/handbook_teamquest_masterte.jpg?t=1169344294

[Mychael101]

I dont think I'm ready to get in there and be a tap dummy so I'm prolly gonna roll at Nick's garage for a lil bit before I hit the gym again.

Where can I find this Nick and his garage? I'm more then willing to be a "tap dummy". Do you think they would mind a total newb?

[onemeangixxer7502]

Where can I find this Nick and his garage? I'm more then willing to be a "tap dummy". Do you think they would mind a total newb?
lol its not as fun as you might think

[Mychael101]

I would never assume that training is fun I think I would appreciate the sport even more if I was personally involved. I have a lot of respect for the people that have the motivation and dedication to any sport. But let me make myself clear, I'm not asking to be a pinata!

[Juiced89lx]

lol
nick=wario

i'm sure he will respond when he gets off work.

[onemeangixxer7502]

I would never assume that training is fun I think I would appreciate the sport even more if I was personally involved. I have a lot of respect for the people that have the motivation and dedication to any sport. But let me make myself clear, I'm not asking to be a pinata!
personally i think training is alot of fun.but its hard.But nothing like rolling some one up and beating them into giving up on themself and on the other hand it sucks ot be that person getting beat on

[Grandnat]

JKD and The_Vegas_Guy:

You Bruce lee nut huggers are about as dilusional as they come.

HE WAS AN ACTOR... and a bad one at that..... not to mention a drug addict...

His only accomplishment, besides being in the right place at the right time when the kung fu craze hit, was winning a dance competition.

there is no proof of him actually winning a damn fight.


Ive been in more street fights than I can count, and many have been against more than 1 opponent. a 3rd degree blackbelt holds no merit on the street and thats the truth. You get some guy who is pretty damn good in a ring with a ref and rules and has a "black-belt" and put him on the street with me and he will end up crying to his instructor because he had no idea what to do when I broke his nose with a headbutt, or didnt get a "rest as long as you need to rest" break after he catches an intentional shot to the balls.

STFU!!!

Reading that made me want to kick Bruce Lee's rotting corpse.

The truth is that you guys know you suck at fighting and use the "sport" or "real streetfight" defense as a crutch. In a real fight in the ring or on the street you guys would get your asses beat, which is why you dorks probably align yourself with JKD in the first place. Because you were picked on as a kid.

[Grandnat]

Yes I am bored at work.

[JKD]

JKD and The_Vegas_Guy:

You Bruce lee nut huggers are about as dilusional as they come.

HE WAS AN ACTOR... and a bad one at that..... not to mention a drug addict...

His only accomplishment, besides being in the right place at the right time when the kung fu craze hit, was winning a dance competition.

there is no proof of him actually winning a damn fight.



STFU!!!

Reading that made me want to kick Bruce Lee's rotting corpse.

The truth is that you guys know you suck at fighting and use the "sport" or "real streetfight" defense as a crutch. In a real fight in the ring or on the street you guys would get your asses beat, which is why you dorks probably align yourself with JKD in the first place. Because you were picked on as a kid.


LMFAO! Comedy....pure comedy.

[Grandnat]

LMFAO! Comedy....pure comedy.

you and Vegas get your comedy loving asses to Warios tonight.

I am going there to help them train tonight since I am injured, instead of going to my regular gym.


Even though I am a cripple I will gladly put a pounding on both of you Bruce lee nuthuggers.

[onemeangixxer7502]

you and Vegas get your comedy loving asses to Warios tonight.

I am going there to help them train tonight since I am injured, instead of going to my regular gym.


Even though I am a cripple I will gladly put a pounding on both of you Bruce lee nuthuggers.dude this got so off topic and why even knock some one for what style of m/a they like.Dude he could practice ninjitsu for all I care as long as they enjoy it.Bruce lee and guro*Sp* isanto have pioneered alot of things in a few diff styles of m/a.Its all about the respect man..sheesh

[Wario]

you and Vegas get your comedy loving asses to Warios tonight.

I am going there to help them train tonight since I am injured, instead of going to my regular gym.


Even though I am a cripple I will gladly put a pounding on both of you Bruce lee nuthuggers.

Truth be told, its not my place but a freinds.

I think everyone working out tonight is busted up.

[onemeangixxer7502]

Truth be told, its not my place but a freinds.

I think everyone working out tonight is busted up.
thats the name of the game though,theres a diff between hurt and injured though

[Grandnat]

dude this got so off topic and why even knock some one for what style of m/a they like.Dude he could practice ninjitsu for all I care as long as they enjoy it.Bruce lee and guro*Sp* isanto have pioneered alot of things in a few diff styles of m/a.Its all about the respect man..sheesh

It's not the men or their style.
It is the weirdos that they tend to attract.
For the most part they are dilusional people who are only doing themselves and the people they "train" a disservice.

I have had many "JKD" students come off the street to train with us at the gym, I have even been to a JKD school, and it is always the same thing.

I tool them like children and they give me the same "if we were in a real streetfight" bullshit line.

It gets on my nerves.

For some reason most of them are transient students... hopping from one gym to the next only staying in one place for a month or two never learning what they really need to know to defend themselves.

They are the proverbial "jack of all trades, master of none" types that fool themselves into believing that they are capable fighters and can defend themselves.

Maybe I have had bad experinces with JKD students, and that is very possible.... but so far I haven't met a single one that had any grasp of reality.

[Grandnat]

thats the name of the game though,theres a diff between hurt and injured though


I am actually injured. I am always hurt.

I twisted my knee so bad monday I couldnt go to work yesterday.

[onemeangixxer7502]

It's not the men or their style.
It is the weirdos that they tend to attract.
For the most part they are dilusional people who are only doing themselves and the people they "train" a disservice.

I have had many "JKD" students come off the street to train with us at the gym, I have even been to a JKD school, and it is always the same thing.

I tool them like children and they give me the same "if we were in a real streetfight" bullshit line.

It gets on my nerves.

For some reason most of them are transient students... hopping from one gym to the next only staying in one place for a month or two never learning what they really need to know to defend themselves.

They are the proverbial "jack of all trades, master of none" types that fool themselves into believing that they are capable fighters and can defend themselves.

Maybe I have had bad experinces with JKD students, and that is very possible.... but so far I haven't met a single one that had any grasp of reality.
either way man i see what your getting at,I just tend*or try not to anymore atleast* knock other people.My kru for muay thai does alot of other things beside m/t like silat,philipino boxing and some other shit that i cant remember that I toss in while im sparing and or fighting.some of its cool other stuff isnt all that practical.but yah i feel the "hurting all the time thing" im always banged up

[Wario]

I am actually injured. I am always hurt.

I twisted my knee so bad monday I couldnt go to work yesterday.

My arm is kinda jacked right now, after a few min's of rolling it feels like a limp piece of spaghetti. Not sure whats going on but I'm sure it will go away on its own. My cardio is what killin me now I took off way too much time for the wedding and I gas real quick now.

[Grandnat]

either way man i see what your getting at,I just tend*or try not to anymore atleast* knock other people.My kru for muay thai does alot of other things beside m/t like silat,philipino boxing and some other shit that i cant remember that I toss in while im sparing and or fighting.some of its cool other stuff isnt all that practical.but yah i feel the "hurting all the time thing" im always banged up


If it makes them happy and they train something and like it, fine!! I am all for it. I don't care if it is XMA, akijujitsu,ninjitsu,TKD or even TAEBO!!

Just don't go trying to convince me that you would kill me in a streetfight when you fight like a sissy in the ring... I don't want to hear it.

and for some reason, the JKD crowd is FULL of these people that are more interested in trying to convince me that they are deadly then actually showing me.

[onemeangixxer7502]

If it makes them happy and they train something and like it, fine!! I am all for it. I don't care if it is XMA, akijujitsu,ninjitsu,TKD or even TAEBO!!

Just don't go trying to convince me that you would kill me in a streetfight when you fight like a sissy in the ring... I don't want to hear it.

and for some reason, the JKD crowd is FULL of these people that are more interested in trying to convince me that they are deadly then actually showing me.
haha have you ever seen the vid of the guy in cali who says he can knock people out with out touching him.It works on his students but this news crew calls bs and brings in some jiu jitsu students and stephan bonnar is in it.Doesnt work on them.Its funny ill try to find the link.yah but i doint buy into alot of it either like dim mak and all that other jaz http://youtube.com/watch?v=pdrzBL2dHMImcdojo @ work. you hit brick,but brick no hit back

[Grandnat]

haha have you ever seen the vid of the guy in cali who says he can knock people out with out touching him.It works on his students but this news crew calls bs and brings in some jiu jitsu students and stephan bonnar is in it.Doesnt work on them.Its funny ill try to find the link.yah but i doint buy into alot of it either like dim mak and all that other jaz http://youtube.com/watch?v=pdrzBL2dHMImcdojo @ work. you hit brick,but brick no hit back


http://youtube.com/watch?v=D96iUCzxKwE


**EDIT*** oops I see you already posted it.

[onemeangixxer7502]

http://youtube.com/watch?v=D96iUCzxKwE


**EDIT*** oops I see you already posted it.
haha yah that shit cracks me up.I cant believe what these people buy into.No offense to alot of schools but if my instructor looked like that I think that alone would turn me away.when i first watched i was hoping id get to see those jockers try it on a like purple or even a blue to see how they get tied up and subb'd

[JKD]

I completely agree with what Grandnat said. Even I will admit to to alot of posers in the JKD community. There are a TON of them who have their collective asses so far up the Nucleaus's ass it's pathetic. So many of them took Lee's writing's as gospel instead of what they actually were - a guide, a starting point. It's up the the individual to find what works for him and work it to perfection.

I've gone to seminars/functions for JKD and it's laughable to see some of the Lee wannabees. Trying to mimic his movements and mannerisms, it cracks me up.

But there are some that truly understand and get "it". Form follows function. Then work it down to habit. Make it more efficient, useable. Economy of motion, timing, cadence etc etc.

I don't believe it's fair to lump all practioners together just because they train in what some presume is the same when it is not. Every practioner is different.

Wario, when you guys are healed up, I really would like to GTG for a friendly training session. I can learn from anyone, I'm not above it or beyond it.

All I ask for is an open mind until after we've had the opportunity to train together before assuming one is completely full of it.

[Grandnat]

I do not want to speak for wario, but I know that they have training sessions at his friends house frequently, and I assume you would be welcome to come.

I really don't have a problem with you JKD, you seem to have the right mindset. I just want you to be honest with yourself. If you go to the training session and you get tooled on the ground, or on your feet, take that as a lesson and do something about it.

I went to train with Wario and the crew last night. They are great guys, very willing to learn and are doing everthing right as far as wanting to get better and doing something about it.

why don't you come to the next meet?

It seems to me that you have been invited several times and I don't think you have ever accepted.

[onemeangixxer7502]

I do not want to speak for wario, but I know that they have training sessions at his friends house frequently, and I assume you would be welcome to come.

I really don't have a problem with you JKD, you seem to have the right mindset. I just want you to be honest with yourself. If you go to the training session and you get tooled on the ground, or on your feet, take that as a lesson and do something about it.

I went to train with Wario and the crew last night. They are great guys, very willing to learn and are doing everthing right as far as wanting to get better and doing something about it.

why don't you come to the next meet?

It seems to me that you have been invited several times and I don't think you have ever accepted.
well no offense to anyone who gets together at this wario guys house but what belts or things does he hold?out of curiousity becsause ive seen self proclaimed bjj guys who roll wiht friends are their technique and set ups are crazy and shitty.
its like the blind leading the blind.No offense

[Grandnat]

well no offense to anyone who gets together at this wario guys house but what belts or things does he hold?out of curiousity becsause ive seen self proclaimed bjj guys who roll wiht friends are their technique and set ups are crazy and shitty.
its like the blind leading the blind.No offense

It doesnt matter.

I am a purple belt under Travis Lutter and I think my opinion is more valid then yours since I actually rolled with them last night.


The point is they listen and are willing to learn, sure they are white belts, but a couple of the guys were good enough and one *possibly* a low blue belt.

some have had formal training and have an idea of how to properly apply submissions and escapes.

I wouldn't call it the blind leading the blind.

I do agree that they need new people comming in that have higher belts for variety, but what they are doing is definatley better than playing video games.

[Wario]

I do not want to speak for wario, but I know that they have training sessions at his friends house frequently, and I assume you would be welcome to come.

I really don't have a problem with you JKD, you seem to have the right mindset. I just want you to be honest with yourself. If you go to the training session and you get tooled on the ground, or on your feet, take that as a lesson and do something about it.

I went to train with Wario and the crew last night. They are great guys, very willing to learn and are doing everthing right as far as wanting to get better and doing something about it.

why don't you come to the next meet?

It seems to me that you have been invited several times and I don't think you have ever accepted.

I'll have to talk to the guys about adding anyone new to the mix.

[Grandnat]

well no offense to anyone who gets together at this wario guys house but what belts or things does he hold?out of curiousity becsause ive seen self proclaimed bjj guys who roll wiht friends are their technique and set ups are crazy and shitty.
its like the blind leading the blind.No offense

I don't wanna sound like I am bashing you, because you are actually exactly right.

If I didn't take the time to go there I would naturally assume the same thing and to an extent what you say still holds true about the blind leading the blind, because without training with someone who is alot better than you... your skill development kinda stagnates.

so I see where you are comming from.. but they aren't in that boat for now.

[Wario]

well no offense to anyone who gets together at this wario guys house but what belts or things does he hold?out of curiousity becsause ive seen self proclaimed bjj guys who roll wiht friends are their technique and set ups are crazy and shitty.
its like the blind leading the blind.No offense

I've always said i was lazy white belt. That's it, no more, no less. I just have fun with it and enjoy doing it.

Two guys I train with would be blue belts at most schools. They try and help me as much as they can. Every now and then we have a judo BB that will come work with us but not all the time.

I could use a shit load more training with grandnat but I dont have the time to train every night. I'm not trying to to do anything with bjj, I just have fun with it. I dont get in a ring and put my skill or lack their of on display. If I did then I would worry about what you call "self proclaimed bjj."

What weight do you fight at?

[onemeangixxer7502]

I've always said i was lazy white belt. That's it, no more, no less. I just have fun with it and enjoy doing it.

Two guys I train with would be blue belts at most schools. They try and help me as much as they can. Every now and then we have a judo BB that will come work with us but not all the time.

I could use a shit load more training with grandnat but I dont have the time to train every night. I'm not trying to to do anything with bjj, I just have fun with it. I dont get in a ring and put my skill or lack their of on display. If I did then I would worry about what you call "self proclaimed bjj."

What weight do you fight at?
well its been a year or two since ive fought but im gonna try to cut to 155-165*really hope for 155 and walk around @ 165* which shouldnt be to hard cause im a chunk @ how heavy i am now.I wasnt pointing any fingers i was just curious

[Wario]

well its been a year or two since ive fought but im gonna try to cut to 155-165*really hope for 155 and walk around @ 165* which shouldnt be to hard cause im a chunk @ how heavy i am now.I wasnt pointing any fingers i was just curious

I take nothing on this site to heart. If you are ever looking for a fight let me know. Like I said, I know a guy with a show in Lousiana that can get you a fight. He has asked us to put the word out looking for fighters.

[onemeangixxer7502]

I take nothing on this site to heart. If you are ever looking for a fight let me know. Like I said, I know a guy with a show in Lousiana that can get you a fight. He has asked us to put the word out looking for fighters.
as of right now i let my guys at my gym pick who im gonna fight or atleast they asked me not to set up my own fights for my safety and others being i dont have many fights under my belt.but for the amount of training ive had i do pretty good

[DON SVO]

I've brought this up with a few people in this thread, but I have personally trained with Steve (JKD) many many times. I am sure a few others might jump in and vouch for him. I, in no way, would ever want to run across someone like him in a situation where I did not have a firearm. The speed and preciseness of his hits, even when we are just kidding around, shocked me. I trained with him mainly in BJJ, even though it isn't his strong suit. The individual he trains with spent many a year in other countries training with a variety of BJJ specialists.. and Will (person in question) is a bear, about 6'4"/270 lbs and also prefers striking... he started in Muy Thai.

I am sure anyone who wants to roll with Steve will be sure he isn't full of it. I've seen enolugh of him humiliating "professionals" in person (kicking a TKD blackbelt in the head a few times was a personal favorite) to realize that there's a lot more to his "talk" than some of you want to give.

[SS Junk]

http://youtube.com/watch?v=D96iUCzxKwE


**EDIT*** oops I see you already posted it.


Benny Hinn is the Grand Master of all... (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wiNpcRdofz4)

[JKD]

I've brought this up with a few people in this thread, but I have personally trained with Steve (JKD) many many times. I am sure a few others might jump in and vouch for him. I, in no way, would ever want to run across someone like him in a situation where I did not have a firearm. The speed and preciseness of his hits, even when we are just kidding around, shocked me. I trained with him mainly in BJJ, even though it isn't his strong suit. The individual he trains with spent many a year in other countries training with a variety of BJJ specialists.. and Will (person in question) is a bear, about 6'4"/270 lbs and also prefers striking... he started in Muy Thai.

I am sure anyone who wants to roll with Steve will be sure he isn't full of it. I've seen enolugh of him humiliating "professionals" in person (kicking a TKD blackbelt in the head a few times was a personal favorite) to realize that there's a lot more to his "talk" than some of you want to give.

Wow, thanks Don. :o

[mk5.0]

I would like like to roll with some of you guys...

Please pm me with the information

[Grandnat]

I've brought this up with a few people in this thread, but I have personally trained with Steve (JKD) many many times. I am sure a few others might jump in and vouch for him. I, in no way, would ever want to run across someone like him in a situation where I did not have a firearm. The speed and preciseness of his hits, even when we are just kidding around, shocked me. I trained with him mainly in BJJ, even though it isn't his strong suit. The individual he trains with spent many a year in other countries training with a variety of BJJ specialists.. and Will (person in question) is a bear, about 6'4"/270 lbs and also prefers striking... he started in Muy Thai.

I am sure anyone who wants to roll with Steve will be sure he isn't full of it. I've seen enolugh of him humiliating "professionals" in person (kicking a TKD blackbelt in the head a few times was a personal favorite) to realize that there's a lot more to his "talk" than some of you want to give.


I am sure I will have no problem treating him like a rag doll when it comes to grappling.

but thanks for your input.

and LOL @ you referencing him beating a TKD guy as any kind of proof!!

[onemeangixxer7502]

I am sure I will have no problem treating him like a rag doll when it comes to grappling.

but thanks for your input.

and LOL @ you referencing him beating a TKD guy as any kind of proof!!
lol tough crowd,my kru mr adaams has some crazy nerve strikes that was adapted from kabreaka brong*sp* thats pretty neat he incorps it into our sparrin.I guess im gonna fight sooner than i thought feb 10th.... sheesh

[PWTRTXSS]

I am sure I will have no problem treating him like a rag doll when it comes to grappling.



Let me know when this happens! I have been dying for someone who knows something to shut that clown up!

[DON SVO]

Let me know when this happens! I have been dying for someone who knows something to shut that clown up!


LMFAO! ;) It'll be interesting to say the least. :)

Wow, thanks Don. :o

Don't get a big head. I think Grandnat wants a demonstration.

[DON SVO]

I am sure I will have no problem treating him like a rag doll when it comes to grappling.

but thanks for your input.

and LOL @ you referencing him beating a TKD guy as any kind of proof!!

I referenced that because he beat a known quantity TKD guy at his own game... if you had any reading comprehension skills, maybe you would have noticed that.

3rd grade english with Mrs. Browning... 1, Grandnat... 0.

I hope you beat the punching bag a bit harder than you tried to beat a C+ average.

[JKD]

I am sure I will have no problem treating him like a rag doll when it comes to grappling.

but thanks for your input.

and LOL @ you referencing him beating a TKD guy as any kind of proof!!


Ok, so when and where?



Let me know when this happens! I have been dying for someone who knows something to shut that clown up!

You're not playing nice Robert. When you come back to town I'll give you another shot at it to see if that fancy school has taught you anything yet. ;) :D

[Wario]

LMFO @ any of you talking shit to Grandnat.
haha
Don he would wrap you up and ship you like a ups package.

And btw our place is full, if we wanna bring anyone over to train I'll pm you. Sorry guys.

[Juiced89lx]

lol at the shipping comment.

like I was telling Don on the computer. I'm sure JKD has some skills. But to come on here and tell us about these higher caliber fighters he trains with on a daily basis but wont give any names out is BS. Telling us he trains with guys who hit harder than Mike Tyson. Come on now.. All I am asking for is names.. The only name I have heard is Will Elias. I googled it and came up with nothing. Someone who has trained in Muay Thai for 20 years would be easy to find too.
Who are these international BJJ guys you all rolled with? The BJJ belt lineage is easy to track. Just give some names out.

[Grandnat]

lol at the shipping comment.

like I was telling Don on the computer. I'm sure JKD has some skills. But to come on here and tell us about these higher caliber fighters he trains with on a daily basis but wont give any names out is BS. Telling us he trains with guys who hit harder than Mike Tyson. Come on now.. All I am asking for is names.. The only name I have heard is Will Elias. I googled it and came up with nothing. Someone who has trained in Muay Thai for 20 years would be easy to find too.
Who are these international BJJ guys you all rolled with? The BJJ belt lineage is easy to track. Just give some names out.


Thats all I am saying.. I am tired of hearing the bullshit.



I referenced that because he beat a known quantity TKD guy at his own game... if you had any reading comprehension skills, maybe you would have noticed that.

3rd grade english with Mrs. Browning... 1, Grandnat... 0.

I hope you beat the punching bag a bit harder than you tried to beat a C+ average.

"Your out of your element Donnie!" - Walter "the Big Lebowski"


Ok, so when and where?


Where abouts do you live? I know of gyms in Dallas, Ft. Worth, North Richland hills, you name it.

and Tonight is as good a night as any for me!

Reply back or PM me.

Just don't pull the same shit you did wil OMEGA DOOM and pull a no show.

Thanks

[BOOSTED32V]

I'll Strike fight, grapple only, grapple strike, etc. ANY of you guy's with one leg tied behind my back*, who's first? It reall doesn't matter who I sub first...'H'


* LOL!

[Grandnat]

I'll Strike fight, grapple only, grapple strike, etc. ANY of you guy's with one leg tied behind my back*, who's first? It reall doesn't matter who I sub first...'H'


* LOL!


we would love to have you!

come on out, this is starting to sound fun.

[BOOSTED32V]

we would love to have you!

come on out, this is starting to sound fun.
Just to warn you, after last nights contests on Spike I stopped by McDojo's drive thru and picked up a 3rd degree black belt, fair warning bitches! ;) :D ...'H'

[Grandnat]

Just to warn you, after last nights contests on Spike I stopped by McDojo's drive thru and picked up a 3rd degree black belt, fair warning bitches! ;) :D ...'H'


stop sand bagging!!! you never said anything about having a black belt! LOL

[StangTamer]

Oh shit! JKD, I like you bro, but you are in for a humbling experience in the grappling world. Someone either invite me to this or video it, because I want to watch this.

[ThreeFingerPete]

"Your out of your element Donnie!" - Walter "the Big Lebowski"



Walter Sobchak

[Grandnat]

I'm shomer shabbat!!! shomer shabbat!

[JKD]

lol at the shipping comment.

like I was telling Don on the computer. I'm sure JKD has some skills. But to come on here and tell us about these higher caliber fighters he trains with on a daily basis but wont give any names out is BS. Telling us he trains with guys who hit harder than Mike Tyson. Come on now.. All I am asking for is names.. The only name I have heard is Will Elias. I googled it and came up with nothing. Someone who has trained in Muay Thai for 20 years would be easy to find too.
Who are these international BJJ guys you all rolled with? The BJJ belt lineage is easy to track. Just give some names out.

How frustrating. There are millions of martial artists in the world and if they aren't on google or in some MMA organization they aren't worthy?

If you're honestly interested, lets GTG and train. Then you can make a decison based on experience fron an in person experience rather then from your armchair. Don't take that as hostile challenge or what not, just rather an invitation to see where I am coming from. You're constantly all up on me, but what about you? What credentials do you have from personal fighting/training experience to be judging me?

To me, personally, names don't matter. No matter whom is throwing the punches and kicks, a punch is a punch and a kick is still a kick. If I throw out some names, you'll say I'm full of it, or have an opinion on that this fighter or that one. Plus it would come across arrogantly, which is not my intent. I'm merely tryin to relate and join the conversations. Just because I come from a different point of view, doesn't mean it's wrong.

So how about it? Me, you and some friendly training?


Thats all I am saying.. I am tired of hearing the bullshit.



"Your out of your element Donnie!" - Walter "the Big Lebowski"



Where abouts do you live? I know of gyms in Dallas, Ft. Worth, North Richland hills, you name it.

and Tonight is as good a night as any for me!

Reply back or PM me.

Just don't pull the same shit you did wil OMEGA DOOM and pull a no show.

Thanks



I'm sorry to hear you think it's bullshit. I held an open invitation training session every Thursday night for anyone who wanted to come out and train, get a good workout and have some fun. You can check the GTG forum, I posted it all every week and alot of guys came out.


I tried lots of times to GTG with Omega, but he was so busy with his kids and soccer it was near impossible to get any time with him. You can ask him and the two of us are still hoping to GTG and train. There is no animosity between us.


I live in the Wylie/Sachse area. I'd be glad to GTg and train and get schooled by you. As any good martial artist knows, you have to expose yourself to as much as possible inorder to better one's self. It was the same deal with Omega, he said he was a world champion, I saw it as an opportunity to train with someone better then myself. I've always done that and that's how I've trained with the "names".

I work Mon-Friday 3am to 6pm, so during the week is out. It will have to be a weekend. Look forward to training with you.

Steve

[Juiced89lx]

I'm just asking questions, Steve. No need to get all pissy.. We are going to agree to disagree I guess.
I've never once came on this board and made myself to be some badass. I have trained maybe 10 times with Nick and a few others. I love watching mma. Unforunately I have very little time outside work to do any training. I just quit smoking cigs so maybe that will help me when i get back to doing some bjj. I have been talking to Grandnat about joing his place so we will see.
If it will make you feel better by schooling another noob then that's cool.
But by the sounds of it maybe you should be training with guys like Grandnat. He's only been training for 4 years compared to your 10+ years.

[Skidonenko]

what did tou do to get everyone to poke at you steve http://www.dfwstangs.net/forums/images/smilies/confused.gif

[Grandnat]

what did tou do to get everyone to poke at you steve http://www.dfwstangs.net/forums/images/smilies/confused.gif


Maybe it is his arrogant statments like these for starters.

I've also had countless street fights

I train for real street altercations.
I've trained some really talented guys ( I'm not going to be a name dropper like most people) I do very well under MMA rules, but those guys get lit up under no rules conditions.

There has been numerous times I've sparred with a "higher caliber" ring/cage fighter and they can't hang because of the differences between us.

I dont' know how many times I've come across "golden glove champs" that cannot properly throw a punch. Wasted energy, telegraphing etc. Or national competitiors that know NOTHING of economy of motion, timing, cadence, rhythm/broken rhythm etc etc.



hopefully you can see why statements like these tend to rub, those of us who train, the wrong way.

plus his constant claims that are never backed up... for instance.. who are these world class people you have trained? who are the UFC people you trained with?

what tournaments have you won? what national level tournaments have you competed at and how did you do?

who have you fought?

all I hear is alot of claims but no proof.

[OMEGA DOOM]

How frustrating. There are millions of martial artists in the world and if they aren't on google or in some MMA organization they aren't worthy?

If you're honestly interested, lets GTG and train. Then you can make a decison based on experience fron an in person experience rather then from your armchair. Don't take that as hostile challenge or what not, just rather an invitation to see where I am coming from. You're constantly all up on me, but what about you? What credentials do you have from personal fighting/training experience to be judging me?

To me, personally, names don't matter. No matter whom is throwing the punches and kicks, a punch is a punch and a kick is still a kick. If I throw out some names, you'll say I'm full of it, or have an opinion on that this fighter or that one. Plus it would come across arrogantly, which is not my intent. I'm merely tryin to relate and join the conversations. Just because I come from a different point of view, doesn't mean it's wrong.

So how about it? Me, you and some friendly training?






I'm sorry to hear you think it's bullshit. I held an open invitation training session every Thursday night for anyone who wanted to come out and train, get a good workout and have some fun. You can check the GTG forum, I posted it all every week and alot of guys came out.


I tried lots of times to GTG with Omega, but he was so busy with his kids and soccer it was near impossible to get any time with him. You can ask him and the two of us are still hoping to GTG and train. There is no animosity between us.


I live in the Wylie/Sachse area. I'd be glad to GTg and train and get schooled by you. As any good martial artist knows, you have to expose yourself to as much as possible inorder to better one's self. It was the same deal with Omega, he said he was a world champion, I saw it as an opportunity to train with someone better then myself. I've always done that and that's how I've trained with the "names".

I work Mon-Friday 3am to 6pm, so during the week is out. It will have to be a weekend. Look forward to training with you.

Steveunfortunatly(sp) I was never a "World Champion" :( but I was a "US Champion" :D and I'm always willing to throw out some names!!! Guy Mezger will be first because' he is a good friend that did excellent in MMA but there are tons of "Haters" on here? :( the man has accomplished more championships and has fought more top fighters then any other fighter from the great state of TX, but yet get's trashed on here for whatever reason's? :confused: I have also trained with Cliff "magic" thomas(7X world kickboxing champion)Athony Macia's(wkc world middleweight champion)Allen Edwards(WKA world welterweight champion)Santae Wilson(iska featherweight world champ)Kurt Pittman(iska amatuer world champ)Billy Jackson(kick super welterweight world champion and the first man to defeat the great Benny "the jet" Urquidez,Got it on tape)Barry Byars(fought Dennis "terminator" Alexio for the undisputed heavyweight title)Quincy taylor(WBC world middleweight Boxing champion)Steve Goin(top rated superwelterweight who also fought Peter manfredo sr. here in Dallas for the KICK title) and there is so many other I can't remember them all but I fought under Walt Mason owner of TKI in richardson who is responsible for the BIG D tourney!!! I also have trained with Ron Van browning,james brown,alex andrade,steve armstrong,david Mason(now owner of TKI)freddy brazil,mike hughes,robert visatacion,ken wiseman,and barry guimbolet!!!!! but I suck now so don't bother asking to train! :D

[Wario]

unfortunatly(sp) I was never a "World Champion" :( but I was a "US Champion" :D and I'm always willing to throw out some names!!! Guy Mezger will be first because' he is a good friend that did excellent in MMA but there are tons of "Haters" on here? :( the man has accomplished more championships and has fought more top fighters then any other fighter from the great state of TX, but yet get's trashed on here for whatever reason's? :confused: I have also trained with Cliff "magic" thomas(7X world kickboxing champion)Athony Macia's(wkc world middleweight champion)Allen Edwards(WKA world welterweight champion)Santae Wilson(iska featherweight world champ)Kurt Pittman(iska amatuer world champ)Billy Jackson(kick super welterweight world champion and the first man to defeat the great Benny "the jet" Urquidez,Got it on tape)Barry Byars(fought Dennis "terminator" Alexio for the undisputed heavyweight title)Quincy taylor(WBC world middleweight Boxing champion)Steve Goin(top rated superwelterweight who also fought Peter manfredo sr. here in Dallas for the KICK title) and there is so many other I can't remember them all but I fought under Walt Mason owner of TKI in richardson who is responsible for the BIG D tourney!!! I also have trained with Ron Van browning,james brown,alex andrade,steve armstrong,david Mason(now owner of TKI)freddy brazil,mike hughes,robert visatacion,ken wiseman,and barry guimbolet!!!!! but I suck now so don't bother asking to train! :D

Name dropper! :p :D
Found this on mma.tv
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[JKD]

Name dropper! :p :D
Found this on mma.tv
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Low blow. But if that's your view of me, I can understand why you would think that. But rather than drawing an uninformed opinion, why not give me a chance? I'm not judging you.



At no time was any of my comments meant to be arrogant and/or cocky. I understand that a conversation online is left to interpretation by the reader and can be taken in many ways. If any of you practioners were at any time offended by any comment that I made I sincerely apologize, it wasn't meant for that intent.
I was simply sharing my point of view and experiences.

With martial arts more in the mainstream then ever, these conversations are happening all to frequently. One would hope that people would be more open minded about others points of view rather then old views of if it's not the most popular thing going, it's no good.


Once again, the apology is extended to all offended. I'll keep in mind in future conversations of my unpopular view and approach and refrain from any future opinion based conversations.

[Wario]

Steve that was not a shot at you, I just thought it was funny. If I wanted to take a shot at you I would just come out and do it.

Do your thing and myself and other will do ours. What gets people worked up is when you come on here saying you beat mma fighters all the time and call other people "armchair fighters." If you think anyone is wrong about an mma discussion then just say it. It looks alot better that way then calling them armchair.

I've traind off and on for a long time and started watching UFC/MMA/NHB back in 93. I can tell you hands down John(juiced) knows way more about it then I do. To think that his views are wrong or hold no merit because he does not train is just crazy. If that's the way it works we should all stop watching every other pro sport.

I hold no ill will toward you man. We've meet and from what I can remember you and your wife were very nice people. Like I said keep doing what your doing. Just remember when you say things like, you beat down mma guys all the time your going to get mma guys ie:grandnat that are none to happy with that kind of comment and wanna see what your all about.

[The Big Matt]

Omega, the only reason I have any animosity towards Guy Mezger, is strictly based on the few times I have met him. One time was at an event, and the way he talked to/treated fans asking for autographs or pictures was just plain rude. He told people, "leave me the fuck alone", " i don't have fucking time for this". Which is fine, but come on, if you are famous and idolized by fans, the least you can do it be courteous.

My second encouter was on Greenville at a bar, when he was with Ken Shamrock, both were dicks to everyone at the bar, including wait staff, doormen, bartenders, and customers. Eventually they were asked to leave because of the way they were acting, and Ken made a huge scene, followed by Guy and a few others egging him on.

I respect what guy's done in the mma, but I will always call a spade a spade.

Grandnat, if you guys need someone to film the training session, I'm always down.

Also Wario is right. I don't think there is anyone on this board, or possibly even the internet who has more knowledge about MMA, MMA Fighters, Fighter Records, Events, etc... than Juiced89lx. He's a walking, or sitting :), MMA encyclopedia. If I was Juiced I'd be looking for a job with an organization such as sherdog, ufc, pride, mma weekly, or any other organization associated with mma in general. His knowledge is wasted where he is now :D

[OMEGA DOOM]

Omega, the only reason I have any animosity towards Guy Mezger, is strictly based on the few times I have met him. One time was at an event, and the way he talked to/treated fans asking for autographs or pictures was just plain rude. He told people, "leave me the fuck alone", " i don't have fucking time for this". Which is fine, but come on, if you are famous and idolized by fans, the least you can do it be courteous.

My second encouter was on Greenville at a bar, when he was with Ken Shamrock, both were dicks to everyone at the bar, including wait staff, doormen, bartenders, and customers. Eventually they were asked to leave because of the way they were acting, and Ken made a huge scene, followed by Guy and a few others egging him on.

I respect what guy's done in the mma, but I will always call a spade a spade.

Grandnat, if you guys need someone to film the training session, I'm always down.

Also Wario is right. I don't think there is anyone on this board, or possibly even the internet who has more knowledge about MMA, MMA Fighters, Fighter Records, Events, etc... than Juiced89lx. He's a walking, or sitting :), MMA encyclopedia. If I was Juiced I'd be looking for a job with an organization such as sherdog, ufc, pride, mma weekly, or any other organization associated with mma in general. His knowledge is wasted where he is now :DBig Matt, I understand completely, he has a reputation for being real cocky! I myself was never like that! :o but he and I were always cool, I only defend his accomplishments and not his personality! :cool:

[CHINGON89COUPE]

so.............what happened between Grandnat vs JKD ? :confused:

[SEB]

I am no trained fighter, But if this thing gets off with JKD & Grandnat I would be interested in getting in this & see where I stand against some trained fighters

[onemeangixxer7502]

I am no trained fighter, But if this thing gets off with JKD & Grandnat I would be interested in getting in this & see where I stand against some trained fighters
just make sure and get it on tape,i want to see this "training" going on also.out of curiousity

[JKD]

just make sure and get it on tape,i want to see this "training" going on also.out of curiousity


Heavy training night tonight. We're gonna watch Karate Kid I, II AND III. For good measure if we're not too exhausted from all that we'll throw in some Jackie Chan too.

[onemeangixxer7502]

Heavy training night tonight. We're gonna watch Karate Kid I, II AND III. For good measure if we're not too exhausted from all that we'll throw in some Jackie Chan too.
nice, cobra kai mcdojo! im not knocking im just curious to see whats goin on there.I mean if its a mcdojo whaaatev thats your guys prob not mine.lol

[She-Ra]

unfortunatly(sp) I was never a "World Champion" :( but I was a "US Champion" :D and I'm always willing to throw out some names!!! Guy Mezger will be first because' he is a good friend that did excellent in MMA but there are tons of "Haters" on here? :( the man has accomplished more championships and has fought more top fighters then any other fighter from the great state of TX, but yet get's trashed on here for whatever reason's? :confused: I have also trained with Cliff "magic" thomas(7X world kickboxing champion)Athony Macia's(wkc world middleweight champion)Allen Edwards(WKA world welterweight champion)Santae Wilson(iska featherweight world champ)Kurt Pittman(iska amatuer world champ)Billy Jackson(kick super welterweight world champion and the first man to defeat the great Benny "the jet" Urquidez,Got it on tape)Barry Byars(fought Dennis "terminator" Alexio for the undisputed heavyweight title)Quincy taylor(WBC world middleweight Boxing champion)Steve Goin(top rated superwelterweight who also fought Peter manfredo sr. here in Dallas for the KICK title) and there is so many other I can't remember them all but I fought under Walt Mason owner of TKI in richardson who is responsible for the BIG D tourney!!! I also have trained with Ron Van browning,james brown,alex andrade,steve armstrong,david Mason(now owner of TKI)freddy brazil,mike hughes,robert visatacion,ken wiseman,and barry guimbolet!!!!! but I suck now so don't bother asking to train! :D

Is that Steve Armstrong that does the promoting? I used to sell him tapes for recording his fights; thats a pretty cool dude imo. He gave me a bunch of free tickets that I gave to John

Mezger broke my old roommates arm when we were kids LOL

<---YoBro

[StangTamer]

Heavy training night tonight. We're gonna watch Karate Kid I, II AND III. For good measure if we're not too exhausted from all that we'll throw in some Jackie Chan too.


LOL!! I know the feeling. After seeing Salmon try the crane kick on Evans in the UFC Fight Night. It got me pumped to watch the KK. If Salmon would have landed it Rashad might have ended up in the stands. :eek: :D

[OMEGA DOOM]

Is that Steve Armstrong that does the promoting? I used to sell him tapes for recording his fights; thats a pretty cool dude imo. He gave me a bunch of free tickets that I gave to John

Mezger broke my old roommates arm when we were kids LOL

<---YoBroyeppers! he use to help me train for my kickboxing fight's! cool dude, love the weed though! :D Guy has done alot of that sort of shit I'm sure? ;)

[The_Vegas_Guy]

I am sure I will have no problem treating him like a rag doll when it comes to grappling.

but thanks for your input.

and LOL @ you referencing him beating a TKD guy as any kind of proof!!

Grandnat I am hoping and praying that one day soon you and Steve get together so you have the chance to "treat him like a rag doll" as you call it. I want to see you start a new thread afterwards called ---> Apology to Steve, wheree inside you apologize to him for all the rude insults you have made to him, and then where you continue to thank him for not causing any long lasting injuries to you in your friendly roll together.

[The Big Matt]

Grandnat I am hoping and praying that one day soon you and Steve get together so you have the chance to "treat him like a rag doll" as you call it. I want to see you start a new thread afterwards called ---> Apology to Steve, wheree inside you apologize to him for all the rude insults you have made to him, and then where you continue to thank him for not causing any long lasting injuries to you in your friendly roll together.

HAHA - that's comedy

[The_Vegas_Guy]

HAHA - that's comedy

no, if you want comedy look in the mirror.

[The Big Matt]

no, if you want comedy look in the mirror.

Ok, just looked in the mirror... That wasn't comedy, that was breathtaking

[Juiced89lx]

They should ban Vegas guy for that lame ass comeback. Where did you learn that? 1st or 2nd grade?

[StangTamer]

lol

[PWTRTXSS]

They should ban Vegas guy for that lame ass comeback. Where did you learn that? 1st or 2nd grade?

You know it was a little funny. :p

[The Big Matt]

You know it was a little funny. :p

Don't feed the animals

[Grandnat]

Grandnat I am hoping and praying that one day soon you and Steve get together so you have the chance to "treat him like a rag doll" as you call it. I want to see you start a new thread afterwards called ---> Apology to Steve, wheree inside you apologize to him for all the rude insults you have made to him, and then where you continue to thank him for not causing any long lasting injuries to you in your friendly roll together.



Are you trying to get me to hurt him?

[Grandnat]

The_Vegas_Guy:

Why is it that when I read your posts I want to break something?

[Juiced89lx]

lol

where u watching the fights this weekend?

Who is in Travis's corner?

[Grandnat]

lol

where u watching the fights this weekend?

Who is in Travis's corner?

we are having a party at my house...

Paul Halme of peak jiu jitsu in North Richland hills and our friend "Bonobo" will be in the corner.

and probably Mark delagratte.

[Juiced89lx]

Hope he fights well. I'll be rooting for him.
should be a great night of fights. it will be even better in person. :)

[Wario]

it will be even better in person. :)

It ALWAYS is! :cool:

[tex]

From a guy that's been talking about fighting on this board for years, I've seen more dancing around in this thread...


... and no I don't mean me. :D

[DON SVO]

Are you trying to get me to hurt him?

Hurt steve? This has gone beyond bullshit.

If you would seriously like to meet Steve and Will for some training, I am quite sure I can set it up if you can give me a place for them to meet you. Send me a PM if you'd prefer it not be on the board.

[Grandnat]

Don't get your panties in a wad Don.

I have offered 3 locations.

I train almost every night in the same location, I am very easy to find.

I train at Travis Lutter's place in Ft. Worth, but am more than willing to go to Dallas and train at Dallas Jiu jitsu.

I have an idea Don, you come along too! and make sure you bring your pom poms.


how about I PM JKD .. I don't think I need you as a middle man.

[JKD]

Don't get your panties in a wad Don.

I have offered 3 locations.

I train almost every night in the same location, I am very easy to find.

I train at Travis Lutter's place in Ft. Worth, but am more than willing to go to Dallas and train at Dallas Jiu jitsu.

I have an idea Don, you come along too! and make sure you bring your pom poms.


how about I PM JKD .. I don't think I need you as a middle man.


PM returned. I will call Will today and check with his schedule.


Don't pick on Don, he's harmless. He's just being a good friend is all.

[Tyrone Biggums]

Be sure to share the details with us when you guys nail something down. I would like to spectate. If you don't want to post it out in the open, a pm would be appreciated.

[Grandnat]

PM returned. I will call Will today and check with his schedule.


Don't pick on Don, he's harmless. He's just being a good friend is all.

again, who is Will and why does his name keep being brought up?

what does this Will guy have anything to do with this thread?

I understand he is 6'4" and 275... but WTF does he have to do with anything?

I know a couple REALLY good guys myself but, I don't need to call them and check their schedules.

[Juiced89lx]

if you guys gtg this weekend, be sure to film it.. i won't be able to make it since we are going to vegas.

[StangTamer]

Hey now, you guys started this shit in a public forum, and you have to end it on one. :D None of this pm b.s. and we want some video!! :D

[DON SVO]

again, who is Will and why does his name keep being brought up?

what does this Will guy have anything to do with this thread?

I understand he is 6'4" and 275... but WTF does he have to do with anything?

I know a couple REALLY good guys myself but, I don't need to call them and check their schedules.

Will is who Steve trains with almost exclusively nowadays.

[Cartman]

Will is who Steve trains with almost exclusively nowadays.
hey bitch disk 7 is not in the case but I am done and will drop off your dvd's tomorrow

[DON SVO]

hey bitch disk 7 is not in the case but I am done and will drop off your dvd's tomorrow

Thanks for the help with moving, Chris :)

[Goose1]

again, who is Will and why does his name keep being brought up?

what does this Will guy have anything to do with this thread?

I understand he is 6'4" and 275... but WTF does he have to do with anything?

I know a couple REALLY good guys myself but, I don't need to call them and check their schedules.


You train at Travis? where you at Pauls school cpl sundays ago? with the Yellow saleen?

[Grandnat]

You train at Travis? where you at Pauls school cpl sundays ago? with the Yellow saleen?


No that was Tim.

My name is Mike.

I post on Paul's board under the same name as on here.

[Juiced89lx]

hey mike, you ever rolled with Justin Wren? I saw a video of him in high school wrestling.. I googled his name and found out a bunch more stuff. If i was reading it correctly, it said he trained at Lutter's. I take it he is a badass wrestler.

[Grandnat]

hey mike, you ever rolled with Justin Wren? I saw a video of him in high school wrestling.. I googled his name and found out a bunch more stuff. If i was reading it correctly, it said he trained at Lutter's. I take it he is a badass wrestler.


Yeah I have rolled with him. He is a monster, especially for being so young.

He is impossible to reverse... and will always get the take down.

I haven't seen him for months though and last time I saw him he just had surgery on his arm so he wasn't really able to roll.

[Goose1]

Okay i know who you are now, the "Purple Belt" that was there couple of weeks ago i rolled with you for about 5 sec i suppose is all i lasted ahhahaha. Although i didnt feel so bad when you tapped Donde in about the same ammount of time ahaha.


Cool you comming too class this sunday?

[The_Vegas_Guy]

So when are the two of you going to get together and have a "training" session Grandnat? Are you still available or will you be sidelined licking the twat of your fallen hero Travis Lutter?

[onemeangixxer7502]

So when are the two of you going to get together and have a "training" session Grandnat? Are you still available or will you be sidelined licking the twat of your fallen hero Travis Lutter?
man for cutting weight and looking like a cancer patient travis lutter brought it.Ive watched alot of silva fights and all the ones ive seen havent been able to take him down effortlessly as he did.In a weakened state he did well his arm bar attempt looked ugly.Im not a huge lutter fan not that i dislike him I think he did well and I think given better circumstances he would have done better.you could tell his head wasnt in the game from the weight situation.Go talk that shit to his face he is a local to you

[Grandnat]

So when are the two of you going to get together and have a "training" session Grandnat? Are you still available or will you be sidelined licking the twat of your fallen hero Travis Lutter?

LOL

are you suggesting that i have been avoiding anyone?

The real question is why have you not responded to my PM for the last week?

You know I would tool you... that's why.


Travis made a huge miscalculation.... there is no excuse for that. He has suffered and will probably continue to suffer the consequences.

so what have you done with your life except for being a world class douche bag?

[onemeangixxer7502]

LOL

are you suggesting that i have been avoiding anyone?

The real question is why have you not responded to my PM for the last week?

You know I would tool you... that's why.


Travis made a huge miscalculation.... there is no excuse for that. He has suffered and will probably continue to suffer the consequences.

so what have you done with your life except for being a world class douche bag?
i agree,it was a huge mistake i wouldnt call it a miscalculation.No one is gonna punish him more than himself.I still think he did a hell of a job he could have easily taken that fight if he would have been in a better mindset and didnt try to cut that much weight over 1-2 days

[BOOSTED32V]

The real question is why have you not responded to my PM for the last week?LMFAO!


so what have you done with your life except for being a world class douche bag?I didn't know if you knew this or not but, he is the World Chump of Douche Bags

[Juiced89lx]

I thought Travis did fine. He exposed Silva. He laid the game plan out for the next guy to take silva down and gnp him. Matt Lindland will OWN Anderson if UFC ever decides to bring him back. Lindland might not be the most exciting fighter but he is the #1 185 lb fighter in the world...

I was disappointed that Travis didnt make weight.. He still brought the fight. The whole arena was freaking out when he had Silva mounted and started to land some punches. I thought Silva might have been done at that point.


Gn, any idea of what Travis's walking weight is?

[onemeangixxer7502]

I thought Travis did fine. He exposed Silva. He laid the game plan out for the next guy to take silva down and gnp him. Matt Lindland will OWN Anderson if UFC ever decides to bring him back. Lindland might not be the most exciting fighter but he is the #1 185 lb fighter in the world...

I was disappointed that Travis didnt make weight.. He still brought the fight. The whole arena was freaking out when he had Silva mounted and started to land some punches. I thought Silva might have been done at that point.


Gn, any idea of what Travis's walking weight is?
200 or more i bet,Either way he brought it and did very well under the circumstances i thought he could easily have took it like i stated earlier

[Juiced89lx]

So when are the two of you going to get together and have a "training" session Grandnat? Are you still available or will you be sidelined licking the twat of your fallen hero Travis Lutter?


I'm in vegas right now will be till tomorow am. I'm free tonight if you wanna gtg and do some training!

<----- Wario

[Grandnat]

200 or more i bet,Either way he brought it and did very well under the circumstances i thought he could easily have took it like i stated earlier

210 - 112

[Grandnat]

I'm in vegas right now will be till tomorow am. I'm free tonight if you wanna gtg and do some training!

<----- Wario


Reply to this, Vegas guy. ^^^

or better yet let me get you in touch with some of my training partners who are still in Vegas... I am sure they would love to train with someone of your caliber.

[Wario]

Reply to this, Vegas guy. ^^^

or better yet let me get you in touch with some of my training partners who are still in Vegas... I am sure they would love to train with someone of your calibur.

I know he said he trains. If he has a gym I'd love to go see some bad ass kung fu.
But he needs to say somthing quick, we're about to go back out.

[Mychael101]

My goal is to love to Vegas and train with Joe Stevenson. Its a very long term goal. I can't wait to see him fight again in April!

[Juiced89lx]

shit man. randy couture just opened a badass facility here in Vegas. I'd much rather train there than with Joe.

[Mychael101]

Joe is a hero of mine and I'm sure that Couture's facility will be much more expensive then training at the Cobra Kai. But at best it would be me going out to Vegas for a week or two at a time depending on how much vacation time I have to spare, staying with a buddy that lives in Vegas and training. I would probably be much better off training at Lutters since its only about an hour drive each way. Then convert my garage into a dedicated training area as well.

[Juiced89lx]

http://www.xtremecouture.tv/

$150 a month for unlimited training isnt bad.
Now of course it goes up quite a bit if you want private classes.

IMO i couldnt go to cobra kai. Marc Laimon is too much of a douche bag.

[Mychael101]

http://www.xtremecouture.tv/

$150 a month for unlimited training isnt bad.
Now of course it goes up quite a bit if you want private classes.

IMO i couldnt go to cobra kai. Marc Laimon is too much of a douche bag.
Wow that is just a tad bit more for the same unlimited amount of classes per month. Laimon just has a way of rubbing people the wrong way it seems, I would listen to his advice but I would prefer to train with Joe if at all possible. But I'm a total newb and it would probably be better for me to train BJJ in Ft Worth then see where it goes from there.
I've been to Vegas 3 times in the past 2 years and I have yet to get an autograph from Joe Stevenson, I'm hoping I will finally be able to get a few pics and autographs in April.

[The_Vegas_Guy]

I know he said he trains. If he has a gym I'd love to go see some bad ass kung fu.
But he needs to say somthing quick, we're about to go back out.

Find me the thread and or post where I said that I train in mma? Unless it is in one of your made up quotes you wont be able to find it because I have never said it.

[Grandnat]

You get some guy who is pretty damn good in a ring with a ref and rules and has a "black-belt" and put him on the street with me and he will end up crying to his instructor because he had no idea what to do when I broke his nose with a headbutt, or didnt get a "rest as long as you need to rest" break after he catches an intentional shot to the balls.

It is comments like this, that make everyone else on this board realize how much of a complete delusional tool you are.

This is why no one on the board takes you seriously. You are a cartoon character, plain and simple.

[The_Vegas_Guy]

It is comments like this, that make everyone else on this board realize how much of a complete delusional tool you are.

This is why no one on the board takes you seriously. You are a cartoon character, plain and simple.


And you are obviously an ignorant and illiterate moron with no reading comprehension what so ever. You still were unable to provide me with the post from myself where I claim to be some sort of mma trainee. Facts are you cannot pull something up that has never happened so instead you attempt to try and manipulate something else to work for you in this situation, using it completely out of context. So you can attempt to make yourself feel better by name calling and what not, all you do is expose how truly pathetic you are.

[Grandnat]

Do you not realize that what I quoted was you saying why you are BETTER than a trained MMA fighter?

more proof you are a jack ass.... keep talking, this is great.

[Denny]

And you are obviously an ignorant and illiterate moron with no reading comprehension what so ever. You still were unable to provide me with the post from myself where I claim to be some sort of mma trainee. Facts are you cannot pull something up that has never happened so instead you attempt to try and manipulate something else to work for you in this situation, using it completely out of context. So you can attempt to make yourself feel better by name calling and what not, all you do is expose how truly pathetic you are.
But it all comes down to this...

When the day is done, you're still inferior to him. LMAO! At least you're not dumb enough to step up to any of those guys, I'll give you props for that.

[Tyrone Biggums]

Find me the thread and or post where I said that I train in mma? Unless it is in one of your made up quotes you wont be able to find it because I have never said it.

You're sure quick to run off at the mouth about the skills of Lutter and Grandnat, yet when you're given the opportunity to prove yourself credible, the backpeddling begins.

[Denny]

You're sure quick to run off at the mouth about the skills of Lutter and Grandnat, yet when you're given the opportunity to prove yourself credible, the backpeddling begins.
Backpeddling saves on doctor bills.

[The_Vegas_Guy]

You're sure quick to run off at the mouth about the skills of Lutter and Grandnat, yet when you're given the opportunity to prove yourself credible, the backpeddling begins.

stfu moron. Last I checked this was America where everybody is entitled to an opinion. The truth is that Grandnat is the one back pedaling and avoiding. The only difference is that Grandnat is avoiding JKD, so to take attention away from that he starts making all these false accusations / suggestions about me. Learn to read before you jump into a topic dumbass.

[Denny]

stfu moron. Last I checked this was America where everybody is entitled to an opinion. The truth is that Grandnat is the one back pedaling and avoiding. The only difference is that Grandnat is avoiding JKD, so to take attention away from that he starts making all these false accusations / suggestions about me. Learn to read before you jump into a topic dumbass.
Nah... I bet they hook up eventually. You, on the other hand, are better off away from either of them.

[Grandnat]

stfu moron. Last I checked this was America where everybody is entitled to an opinion. The truth is that Grandnat is the one back pedaling and avoiding. The only difference is that Grandnat is avoiding JKD, so to take attention away from that he starts making all these false accusations / suggestions about me. Learn to read before you jump into a topic dumbass.


I am beck peddling from JKD? I don't even know what to say about that.

can you find a post anywhere where I said anything of the sort?

can you find a post where I didn't say the EXACT OPPOSITE of backpeddling?

[Tyrone Biggums]

stfu moron. Last I checked this was America where everybody is entitled to an opinion. The truth is that Grandnat is the one back pedaling and avoiding. The only difference is that Grandnat is avoiding JKD, so to take attention away from that he starts making all these false accusations / suggestions about me. Learn to read before you jump into a topic dumbass.

Look at all the big talk from Nancy. You sure were quiet when Juiced and Wario were in your hometown asking you to educate them with your almighty MMA wisdom. Keep trying to e-badass your way through this, it's pretty entertaining.

[The_Vegas_Guy]

I am actually injured. I am always hurt.

I twisted my knee so bad monday I couldnt go to work yesterday.

looks like back pedaling to me

[Juiced89lx]

Don't get your panties in a wad Don.

I have offered 3 locations.

I train almost every night in the same location, I am very easy to find.

I train at Travis Lutter's place in Ft. Worth, but am more than willing to go to Dallas and train at Dallas Jiu jitsu.

I have an idea Don, you come along too! and make sure you bring your pom poms.


how about I PM JKD .. I don't think I need you as a middle man.

ahem

[Grandnat]

looks like back pedaling to me


so stupid... if you read the damn thread you will realize that even though I was injured I still went to Wario's house and trained THAT NIGHT!

you can ask them how that went even in my injured state.


That still has nothing to do with me back peddling from JKD.... I never said I wouldn't train with him.

I twisted my knee.. and was and still am injured.... I didn't pack peddal from shit.


you are the coward who is trying to redirect the focus off of you.

please let me know if you plan on visiting the DFW area any time soon.

[The_Vegas_Guy]

Look at all the big talk from Nancy. You sure were quiet when Juiced and Wario were in your hometown asking you to educate them with your almighty MMA wisdom. Keep trying to e-badass your way through this, it's pretty entertaining.

Once again moron, where have I claimed to be some kind of mma guru? I have an opinion just like everybody else. If giving an opinion on a MMA topic means you have to be an MMA fighter, then all of the MMA threads would be very small and limited on this board. And as far as Juiced goes, he knows his shit but does he train in MMA? No I didnt think so.

It comes down to this, Grandnat talks smack to Steve, suggesting that he is full of crap - I join the conversation because I know steve and what he is capable of. Grandnat MAY be a fighter who knows, all I know is that I have all the confidence in the world in steve and his abilities. Personally I believe this is why Grandnat has shifted his attention away from steve towards me, some others on the board who have met steve and seen what he can do have surely warned Grandnat about him and that is why he now sits back with his tail between his legs and starts trivializing things and taking them out of context.

[Juiced89lx]

vegas fag. if this training session with JKD and Grandnat happens, would you care to wager who is tapping first? put up or shut the fuck up.

[onemeangixxer7502]

haha this thread has gone so far off track,soo some one post some pics of tits and ass to make it a decent thread

[Juiced89lx]

i'll check this thread later.

i've got to play some craps before we go to the airport..

[The_Vegas_Guy]

vegas fag. if this training session with JKD and Grandnat happens, would you care to wager who is tapping first? put up or shut the fuck up.


now was that really necessary? I have never said one negative thing to you or about you and you want to act like this now. As I said previously, knowing nothing about Grandnat, I still have all the confidence in the world when it comes to steve and his abilities. If the 2 of them decide to get together then we shall see. No more respect for you though, your unprovoked name calling has lowered your status in my opinion, way down there with people like Grandnat and Tyrone.

and why would you say put up or shut up when you yourself only talk about fighting and dont do it yourself?

[Grandnat]

apparently you are not going to "put up"

so go ahead and take option two and SHUT UP!

[The_Vegas_Guy]

apparently you are not going to "put up"

so go ahead and take option two and SHUT UP!

look who is talking, its the purple tampon. ( purple belt Lutter twat licker )

you have not put up or shut up either so FOAD!

[Grandnat]

look who is talking, its the purple tampon. ( purple belt Lutter twat licker )

you have not put up or shut up either so FOAD!


LOL @ you talking shit from 1200 miles away.

Please go to Marc Laimon's Cobra Kai dojo and ask For my teammates Eric Shambari or Tom East.

Tell them you think I am a "purple belt lutter twat licker".

Then please have the nurse at the E.R. write us back and give us the details of what went down and the extent of your injuries.

Thanks.

[Nate]

Wow...my thread about couture...is not a thread about couture...lol


Click vegas guy...click ignore...have intelligent discussion? Sound like a plan?