what do you HPP guys think of this?

[SLOWVERADO]

http://www.ls1tech.com/forums/showthread.php?t=608583

[whiteboy]

12k lol he got fucked!



I bet it was Dumbstars

[gloomleader]

everyone is intitled to a few mistakes

[greenbullitt]

:eek:

[FRANCISCO308]

12k WTF :eek:

[Saleen99]

What? $12k say it ain't so

[agiraldo]

UH UH :(

Wow.

Hopefully it gets cleared up..

[manny]

There is alot more to that story!!

[black90gt]

:eek:

[JMAC]

Wow 12k!!

[Mach1Marauder]

That kid is a little stupid fuck! :rolleyes:

[Da Prez]

karma is a bitch motherfucker!!!

[Juiced4V]

everyone is intitled to a few mistakes

x2

[PooterWS6]

Why didnt anyone check pushrod length when putting the 2nd motor together? After the cam/lifters were fucked up on the first go round....

[Beenfetchedlately]

Why didnt anyone check pushrod length when putting the 2nd motor together? After the cam/lifters were fucked up on the first go round....
thats pretty much all I want to know..>Does the shop own a pushrod checker?
Comp R lifters fail most because of improper installation.

[PooterWS6]

thats pretty much all I want to know..>Does the shop own a pushrod checker?
Comp R lifters fail most because of improper installation.
Well, yeah, whether he told them it had milled heads or not doesnt really matter, they guy putting a motor together with ported heads(that could be milled) should have checked...
Should have checked pushrod length after the first set of lifters and cam got trashed....

[Da Prez]

I guess no one cares about him trying to steal from HPP...

[Beenfetchedlately]

Well, yeah, whether he told them it had milled heads or not doesnt really matter, they guy putting a motor together with ported heads(that could be milled) should have checked...
Should have checked pushrod length after the first set of lifters and cam got trashed....
Yes sir, but getting them to admit that is different...

Stealing or not Fred, I dont think id be paying that either for someones costly mistakes...I dont know the whole situation but all i want to know is if a pushrod checker was EVER used on that assembly...

When you install a cam and degree it, you would have noticed this issue far before you even dropped it in the car. Its rookie mistakes from what I gather. We'll kick back and let the story unfold though. Keep the nutswingers out of it.

[Beenfetchedlately]

I guess no one cares about him trying to steal from HPP...

If it was indeed an installation error which i believe it was from what is stated from both sides, its really a matter of who's stealing from whom now.

Manny trying to get him to pay for his installers screw ups and the other dude running on his bill. Its a wash either way, settle up on mutual ground and cut the losses.

[askaboutp]

I'd like to hear HPP's side of the story

[PooterWS6]

If it was indeed an installation error which i believe it was from what is stated from both sides, its really a matter of who's stealing from whom now.

Manny trying to get him to pay for his installers screw ups and the other dude running on his bill. Its a wash either way, settle up on mutual ground and cut the losses.
He cant really run to far from that bill though, they still have his car...
But I cant say id want to be paying a bill for something that should have been checked.

But then again, I would have paid the bill, got my car back and sued after I had my shit back.

[BP]

I'd like to hear HPP's side of the story

Follow the link then, someone posted it on their behalf.

[93WHITELXCOUPE]

You know, I'm sure both parties involved (Customer and HPP) have some sort of blame and fault as to this whole ordeal. But being in the the retail business, I know that no matter what the customer is always right. Now I'm not saying that he shouldn't pay the bill either, however I think HPP should have tried to resolve this matter in a better way. Remember for every 1 customer that is unsatisfied, he/she tells 19 other people. (Math class : argueing over $4500 = losing $85,500 in potential business) Had this been me trying to resolve this, I would make the customer pay for ALL parts and outsourced labor only. I would eat the in house labor charges just to make this right, regardless of the circumstances. But hey this is just my opinion! I been in the retail business for over 20 years.

[NEAL]

Wasn't there some chick that got ass raped by them too ?.........not starting shit. I just remember hearing something about it.


No disrespect meant towards HPP

[PooterWS6]

You know, I'm sure both parties involved (Customer and HPP) have some sort of blame and fault as to this whole ordeal. But being in the the retail business, I know that no matter what the customer is always right. Now I'm not saying that he shouldn't pay the bill either, however I think HPP should have tried to resolve this matter in a better way. Remember for every 1 customer that is unsatisfied, he/she tells 19 other people. (Math class : argueing over $4500 = losing $85,500 in potential business) Had this been me trying to resolve this, I would make the customer pay for ALL parts and outsourced labor only. I would eat the in house labor charges just to make this right, regardless of the circumstances. But hey this is just my opinion! I been in the retail business for over 20 years.
The only problem with paying for ALL the parts, more and more parts were replaced as the real problem was never fixed, due to an installers error. Should only be charged for the shortblock and one set of lifters/cam. I dont see why he would need to pay for the other sets that were trashed from not catching the pushrods were too long....

[askaboutp]

You know, I'm sure both parties involved (Customer and HPP) have some sort of blame and fault as to this whole ordeal. But being in the the retail business, I know that no matter what the customer is always right. Now I'm not saying that he shouldn't pay the bill either, however I think HPP should have tried to resolve this matter in a better way. Remember for every 1 customer that is unsatisfied, he/she tells 19 other people. (Math class : argueing over $4500 = losing $85,500 in potential business) Had this been me trying to resolve this, I would make the customer pay for ALL parts and outsourced labor only. I would eat the in house labor charges just to make this right, regardless of the circumstances. But hey this is just my opinion! I been in the retail business for over 20 years.

I gotta agree...at this point its obvious mistakes have been made on both sides and it would be better to take a small loss and try to make the whole thing go away before it gets any bigger

[XR_1]

Tssk Tssk... That why my car will never see a shop unless I completely know them

I do not know much people from HPP but I do know how mechanics are

1. My life sucks I want to shoot my self
2. I cant believe they denied my raise or they are paying him more and not me
3. Did i check that??? I am sure i did
4. No need to check this and that... what's a couple of 0.001's going to do
5. Hey I never learned this but theres no time or I dont want to look stupid and ask

Basically your are depending on some bad ass mechanic or some moron to work on your car

*Plus Anytime that a stock rebuild cost more then a Standard long block and installation there should be a red flag going off

Either way sounds like deep Poo Poo :D

[93WHITELXCOUPE]

The only problem with paying for ALL the parts, more and more parts were replaced as the real problem was never fixed, due to an installers error. Should only be charged for the shortblock and one set of lifters/cam. I dont see why he would need to pay for the other sets that were trashed from not catching the pushrods were too long....


What you have to look at is this is just an example of how one could solve this or come to a mutual agreement. When I suggested for paying for ALL of the parts and outsourced labor, I took into consideration that I'm sure there was some in-house labor the customer is responsible for paying for and I'm sure there are some parts that HPP are responsible for paying for. So to make it easier, just cut out all of the in-house labor charges (HPP measure of good faith) and customer pays for ALL parts (customers measure of good faith). Remember both parties share responsibility for this WHOLE ordeal. Then part company on mutual terms.

[PooterWS6]

What you have to look at is this is just an example of how one could solve this or come to a mutual agreement. When I suggested for paying for ALL of the parts and outsourced labor, I took into consideration that I'm sure there was some in-house labor the customer is responsible for paying for and I'm sure there are some parts that HPP are responsible for paying for. So to make it easier, just cut out all of the in-house labor charges (HPP measure of good faith) and customer pays for ALL parts (customers measure of good faith). Remember both parties share responsibility for this WHOLE ordeal. Then part company on mutual terms.
Yeah, I understand, I was just saying if I were the customer I wouldnt want to be paying for the shop's messup, assuming the pushrod length was never checked.

Either way this will more than likely end up in court, as I doubt either one will want to eat any of it, especially if its not their fault...
It would be in their interest to save face, but again theres alot of parts/labor in this whole deal

But again, im just going on whats been posted so far, and well see what HPP has to say about the deal, and whether the pushrods were checked, etc....

[Da Prez]

its amazing how a satisfied customer is called a nutswinger... but you guys who have never had an experience with HPP are quick to point fingers at them...

[Mach1Marauder]

Jeeeeez!
Bunch of fuckers here that know NOTHING of what happened!
This little fugger must have been the founding father of "Cheap Fucker Racing"!
I was there a couple of times this kid was there and the little shit wanted to do everything on the cheap! :rolleyes:
I've seen Manny MANY times work with a customer about his bill for one reason or another........99.9 was because the customer wanted something stupid done or brought in crap parts.

Neal..........people in glass houses shouldn't throw stones. ;)

[TINKRD]

its amazing how a satisfied customer is called a nutswinger... but you guys who have never had an experience with HPP are quick to point fingers at them...

its like this for any shop

HPP, SQR, RPM,

the customers with good experiences will back them up and are called nutswingers and all the rest point fingers.

just part of the game i guess

[Mach1Marauder]

The only problem with paying for ALL the parts, more and more parts were replaced as the real problem was never fixed, due to an installers error. Should only be charged for the shortblock and one set of lifters/cam. I dont see why he would need to pay for the other sets that were trashed from not catching the pushrods were too long....
Were you there? You seem to know a lot. :rolleyes:

[93WHITELXCOUPE]

Yeah, I understand, I was just saying if I were the customer I wouldnt want to be paying for the shop's messup, assuming the pushrod length was never checked.

Either way this will more than likely end up in court, as I doubt either one will want to eat any of it, especially if its not their fault...
It would be in their interest to save face, but again theres alot of parts/labor in this whole deal

But again, im just going on whats been posted so far, and well see what HPP has to say about the deal, and whether the pushrods were checked, etc....

Now they are getting into he said/she said territory and nobody really wins there. That's why I made the suggestions that I did, so both parties can just move on. It's not even about weather or not they did or did not check the push rod length anymore. It's about paying to get his car back. Unfortunately, the customer does not dispute that HPP performed work on his car, therefore he is required to pay for services rendered. Plain and simple. And everyday that goes by that he does not pay the bill, HPP is entitled to charge a reasonable storage fee that can eventually lead to HPP filing for a mechanics lien. Then the customer would be SOL. Maybe not the right thing to do, but it's the truth. The laws are in place to protect both the consumer and the business.

[Da Prez]

neal is just mad cause I said art carr trannies suck, which they do...:D

[93WHITELXCOUPE]

neal is just mad cause I said art carr trannies suck, which they do...:D

lol :D

[PooterWS6]

Were you there? You seem to know a lot. :rolleyes:
Oh sorry, did you build the motor? :rolleyes:
You must have been swing from those nuts when he checked the pushrod length....



All I asked was if they checked it, after the first cam/lifters were trashed, or even when the built the 2nd engine....


No one is bashing yet, just asking if it was checked, and no replies from the people that actually did the work.
But thats right, because its not my car, and I wasnt there(neither were you), we cant ask questions about what actually happened. :rolleyes:
If HPP did everything right, theres nothing to worry about. If the other guy is being a douche, its his fault too.

[prochargedpony]

Tssk Tssk... That why my car will never see a shop unless I completely know them

I do not know much people from HPP but I do know how mechanics are

1. My life sucks I want to shoot my self
2. I cant believe they denied my raise or they are paying him more and not me
3. Did i check that??? I am sure i did
4. No need to check this and that... what's a couple of 0.001's going to do
5. Hey I never learned this but theres no time or I dont want to look stupid and ask

Basically your are depending on some bad ass mechanic or some moron to work on your car

*Plus Anytime that a stock rebuild cost more then a Standard long block and installation there should be a red flag going off


Either way sounds like deep Poo Poo :D



This is by far your Dumbest post....

[Mach1Marauder]

neal is just mad cause I said art carr trannies suck, which they do...:D
BAHAHAHAHAHA! :p

[93WHITELXCOUPE]

Were you there? You seem to know a lot. :rolleyes:


Wild Bill
Just a little GT with stickers and a big hole in da hood and Intake. (Louise)
Louise is NOT a "Trailer Queen"!
She's a "Track Whore"!!!!!!

Bill, I fixed your sig for you! :D

[Beenfetchedlately]

The only problem with paying for ALL the parts, more and more parts were replaced as the real problem was never fixed, due to an installers error. Should only be charged for the shortblock and one set of lifters/cam. I dont see why he would need to pay for the other sets that were trashed from not catching the pushrods were too long....The other shit comes out of the technicians ass. :(

[XR_1]

Were you there? You seem to know a lot. :rolleyes:

lol.. this the after it broke the first when he already paid $4500



We then told you again not to use the heads because we don't know anything about them and they may be causing the problem in some way. You brought your stock heads but were still complaining every day about not having your ported heads. So we then agreed to have the machine shop check out the heads and if they say they are ok, we will still use them. Turns out he said they needed some cleaning up but they should be good to go. We put it back together and the same thing again. We all felt like all the precautions had been taken. A whole bunch of parts were now ruined again, another cam had been flattened and there was metal everywhere. I felt bad gave you the needed parts at cost and split the labor with you. Then your total bill was $2,800 I believe, I think there was extra stuff in there too. This bill was paid.
We then had to have new bearings again, and have the machine shop check it all out to see if they could tell what is happening. """He says no problem found besides all the debree in the engine"""""""", blames it on that. Rebuilds it and passes over another bill. You were then charged for nothing but cost on a few parts and it was put together with the stock heads like we wanted to do from the begining. You were charged $1,400 I think, for what I had to pay to the machine shop and some new parts. This bill was paid.
Lucky for us your car broke again

[Sergio]

its like this for any shop

HPP, SQR, RPM,

the customers with good experiences will back them up and are called nutswingers and all the rest point fingers.

just part of the game i guess

some customers take things too far. if person #1 says so-n-so did a horrible job on my car and now it wont run... then person #2 comes in and say well they've done this and that to my car and i've never had a problem, thats one thing. but its another completely if #2 says, well because they've done this and that with my car they can never do wrong. thats nutriding. the only people who know the truth are the two parties invloved. the rest of us are spectators. i have know idea which of the 2 are right or wrong, i'm just glad it isnt me in the situation.

[Juiced4V]

Wild Bill
Just a little GT with stickers and a big hole in da hood and Intake. (Louise)
Louise is NOT a "Trailer Queen"!
She's a "Track Whore"!!!!!!

Bill, I fixed your sig for you! :D

LMAO....Getter fixed yet Bill...I wanna a rematch ;)

[Beenfetchedlately]

What you have to look at is this is just an example of how one could solve this or come to a mutual agreement. When I suggested for paying for ALL of the parts and outsourced labor, I took into consideration that I'm sure there was some in-house labor the customer is responsible for paying for and I'm sure there are some parts that HPP are responsible for paying for. So to make it easier, just cut out all of the in-house labor charges (HPP measure of good faith) and customer pays for ALL parts (customers measure of good faith). Remember both parties share responsibility for this WHOLE ordeal. Then part company on mutual terms.
The tech needs to learn his lesson. It comes out of his check for parts...Not MAnnys.

[FATHERFORD]

I'm not and expert engine builder, but have built quite a few. If someone gave me ported stock heads, i wouldnt check for pushrod length. If the lifters chewed up I would have looked at mis aligned lifter bores, lack of oil flow etc.

Everyone makes mistakes, sounds like to me HPP tried their best to make it fair. It's sad that if one bad apple comes on here, it will make business go away. Doesnt seem a thread like this happens on all the Thousands of good things HPP did.

[Beenfetchedlately]

its amazing how a satisfied customer is called a nutswinger... but you guys who have never had an experience with HPP are quick to point fingers at them...
And its nutswingers that provide the smoke and mirrors and automatically assume the shops do no wrong. Thats why I said leave the nutswingers out of it and get to the bottom.

[XR_1]

You are so great....can so you sign my tits

Sure will Ma'am :cool:

[prochargedpony]

Sure will Ma'am :cool:


Wow, you are just sooooo clever...... :rolleyes:

[Mach1Marauder]

Oh sorry, did you build the motor? :rolleyes:
You must have been swing from those nuts when he checked the pushrod length....



All I asked was if they checked it, after the first cam/lifters were trashed, or even when the built the 2nd engine....


No one is bashing yet, just asking if it was checked, and no replies from the people that actually did the work.
But thats right, because its not my car, and I wasnt there(neither were you), we cant ask questions about what actually happened. :rolleyes:
If HPP did everything right, theres nothing to worry about. If the other guy is being a douche, its his fault too.
Bitch....Don't make me swing you by your nuts.....you won't like it.
You've already made numerous suppositions and statements about stuff you know nothing about.
Go back and read fucker. I was there for some of this little fugger's convos.

[manny]

I have already offered to pay for numerous parts and all of the labor except for the very first one. There is no way this could be blamed totally on us. When this was brought in it was a total disaster, nobody had ever seen anything like this. I have tried to work with him and his dad but I feel like they are not being reasonable. We didn't do the original work that destroyed everything. He would sure come out smelling like a rose if he screwed it all up then puts in all on the shop if all is not perfect using his choice in parts. There was many times that things were recomended and he chose to do whatever he wanted.
There is no way this should be all on us! I have offered to eat thousands of dollars but they just want to pay 1.5k of the 7k they owed. To me that is just being unreasonable and not taking any of the blame at all.

[93WHITELXCOUPE]

And its nutswingers that provide the smoke and mirrors and automatically assume the shops do no wrong. Thats why I said leave the nutswingers out of it and get to the bottom.


People need to do their homework before making quick decisions : HPP banner says "Your Local Late Model Mustang Specialists" not "Your Local LSx Specialists". I own neither a Mod Motor or LSx Motor, but from what I've read, seen and heard, I would take a Mod Motor to HPP and take a LSx to SQR or take either/both to SpeedTek. That's me doing my homework. This is why I prefer to do my own work. (Let me rephrase that, That is why I let JUSTTHEDRIVER do my work.) Because I know him and trust him. If he's not sure how to do something he'll tell me, but he's willing to try and if he makes a mistake he takes RESPONSIBILTY for his mistakes. Just my $ .02.

[PooterWS6]

Bitch....Don't make me swing you by your nuts.....you won't like it.
You've already made numerous suppositions and statements about stuff you know nothing about.
Go back and read fucker. I was there for some of this little fugger's convos.
Again old fuck, I asked if the pushrod length was checked.
:rolleyes:

You dont know shit about this either, and im still not sure why you are speaking for HPP, you being just a customer, and had no part in building the engine, or installing any of the parts....

They still havent responded, and you still keep bitching because people ask a question about the situation, are you really worried that someone might find out what happened? Or is the smoke and mirrors BFL was referring to...

[BP]

I'm not and expert engine builder, but have built quite a few. If someone gave me ported stock heads, i wouldnt check for pushrod length. If the lifters chewed up I would have looked at mis aligned lifter bores, lack of oil flow etc.


They weren't stock heads, they were stage 3. Whatever the hell that means but regardless it was obvious they have had work done.

[Vertnut]

I don't know anyone involved, but someone had already fucked it up before HPP...that's the "red flag" for me.

[93WHITELXCOUPE]

I have already offered to pay for numerous parts and all of the labor except for the very first one. There is no way this could be blamed totally on us. When this was brought in it was a total disaster, nobody had ever seen anything like this. I have tried to work with him and his dad but I feel like they are not being reasonable. We didn't do the original work that destroyed everything. He would sure come out smelling like a rose if he screwed it all up then puts in all on the shop if all is not perfect using his choice in parts. There was many times that things were recomended and he chose to do whatever he wanted.
There is no way this should be all on us! I have offered to eat thousands of dollars but they just want to pay 1.5k of the 7k they owed. To me that is just being unreasonable and not taking any of the blame at all.


Manny read my post from earlier.

Now they are getting into he said/she said territory and nobody really wins there. That's why I made the suggestions that I did, so both parties can just move on. It's not even about weather or not they did or did not check the push rod length anymore. It's about paying to get his car back. Unfortunately, the customer does not dispute that HPP performed work on his car, therefore he is required to pay for services rendered. Plain and simple. And everyday that goes by that he does not pay the bill, HPP is entitled to charge a reasonable storage fee that can eventually lead to HPP filing for a mechanics lien. Then the customer would be SOL. Maybe not the right thing to do, but it's the truth. The laws are in place to protect both the consumer and the business.

[Mach1Marauder]

Again old fuck, I asked if the pushrod length was checked.
:rolleyes:

You dont know shit about this either, and im still not sure why you are speaking for HPP, you being just a customer, and had no part in building the engine, or installing any of the parts....

They still havent responded, and you still keep bitching because people ask a question about the situation, are you really worried that someone might find out what happened? Or is the smoke and mirrors BFL was referring to...
Shaddup bitch...............Or say good bye to da chebbieII :p

[PooterWS6]

I have already offered to pay for numerous parts and all of the labor except for the very first one. There is no way this could be blamed totally on us. When this was brought in it was a total disaster, nobody had ever seen anything like this. I have tried to work with him and his dad but I feel like they are not being reasonable. We didn't do the original work that destroyed everything. He would sure come out smelling like a rose if he screwed it all up then puts in all on the shop if all is not perfect using his choice in parts. There was many times that things were recomended and he chose to do whatever he wanted.
There is no way this should be all on us! I have offered to eat thousands of dollars but they just want to pay 1.5k of the 7k they owed. To me that is just being unreasonable and not taking any of the blame at all.

You shouldnt be responsible for the first set of problems as he had the work done somewhere else. That would be crazy to take the blame for.
Its good you are taking the step to make things right, and seems more than fair, and its good to get the other side of the story.

What happened with the stock heads? Did he just want them throw on as a quick fix? or what?






See Bill, was that so hard to wait for? :rolleyes:

[gravygraber59]

After reading the whole thread it sounds like a complete cluster F!!k. Both sides have good points in the matter.

I can see HPP's side on the first time around, and even the second time with the replacement of the short block, the customer owes for that. After that the shop has to take responsibility for the work. If your assembling a motor you check everthing not just bolt it together. Anyone that has worked on the LSx motor knows the valve train is very tight on those motors. Any changes should always be followed by a check of the complete system. I'm sure HPP is getting an expensive lesson here. That is why there machine shop warned them about such deals.

Sounds like something that is not just going away.

[PooterWS6]

Shaddup bitch...............Or say good bye to da chebbieII :p
Try to come get it;)

[Mach1Marauder]

Try to come get it;)
Don't tempt me..............it would be pretty easy. ;)

[93WHITELXCOUPE]

Shaddup bitch...............Or say good bye to da chebbieII :p


Bill fix your sig already!!!! :D :D :D



Wild Bill
Just a little GT with stickers and a big hole in da hood and Intake. (Louise)
Louise is NOT a "Trailer Queen"!
She's a "Track Whore"!!!!!!

Bill, I fixed your sig for you! :D

[Da Prez]

I've never said HPP can't do any wrong, but I don't assume that just cause a pissed off customer makes a thread, that everything they say is true... you want the nutswingers out of this thread, but yet all you who want HPP to be the bad guy in this situation, can stay in here... right :rolleyes:

[93WHITELXCOUPE]

I've never said HPP can't do any wrong, but I don't assume that just cause a pissed off customer makes a thread, that everything they say is true... you want the nutswingers out of this thread, but yet all you who want HPP to be the bad guy in this situation, can stay in here... right :rolleyes:


Tell him Fred! :eek:

[Mach1Marauder]

Bill fix your sig already!!!! :D :D :D
Don't make me give you a "Silver Bullit" enema! :mad:

[Beenfetchedlately]

I've never said HPP can't do any wrong, but I don't assume that just cause a pissed off customer makes a thread, that everything they say is true... you want the nutswingers out of this thread, but yet all you who want HPP to be the bad guy in this situation, can stay in here... right :rolleyes:I never said they were the bad guys here did I? No. But I do have a good feeling James never touched themotor with a pushrod checker, or degreed the cam on an engine stand before it was installed...Prove me wrong here big guy. :)

[Mach1Marauder]

But I do have a good feeling James never touched themotor with a pushrod checker, or degreed the cam on an engine stand before it was installed...Prove me wrong here big guy. :)
Prove your shit fugger! :rolleyes:

[Beenfetchedlately]

I have already offered to pay for numerous parts and all of the labor except for the very first one. There is no way this could be blamed totally on us. When this was brought in it was a total disaster, nobody had ever seen anything like this. I have tried to work with him and his dad but I feel like they are not being reasonable. We didn't do the original work that destroyed everything. He would sure come out smelling like a rose if he screwed it all up then puts in all on the shop if all is not perfect using his choice in parts. There was many times that things were recomended and he chose to do whatever he wanted.
There is no way this should be all on us! I have offered to eat thousands of dollars but they just want to pay 1.5k of the 7k they owed. To me that is just being unreasonable and not taking any of the blame at all.My only problem with that is that you are the shop, the ones that are supposed to be able to fix personal installers fuck ups..Thats why he brought it to you for (proper) diagnosis and it turned out incorrect from what I can tell. Accept the blame that yes you guys could have looked over something and eat it...Come up with a true cost of parts and submit that bill and a portion of labor. Cut the losses and move on.

Just an outsiders opinion here.

[93WHITELXCOUPE]

Don't make me give you a "Silver Bullit" enema! :mad:


After Sunday, I think you were the one in need of a few "Silver Bullits". :D

[Da Prez]

no shit, you prove your statements, since you seem to think you know it all...

[Mach1Marauder]

no shit, you prove your statements, since you seem to think you know it all...
IT'S MIKEY!!!!
HE KNOWS EVERY FUCKING THING! :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

[Beenfetchedlately]

One last thing...its best to get a mediator involved with everyone at the table in a civil matter. You dont want this to go to court. I work at a courthouse for civil matters and rear shops cases all the time. the judge has awarded to the consumer is almost 90% of the cases on his docket. Way cheaper to settle outside. it will cost you even more in the long run.

[PooterWS6]

no shit, you prove your statements, since you seem to think you know it all...
Prove what?
That the stock length pushrods were either
A) Used knowing they were too long for milled heads, and he did in fact check
Or
B) He didnt check, and again, the stock pushrod length was too long for milled heads
Which led to the lifters and cam getting trashed.

Whats there to prove?

[Beenfetchedlately]

no shit, you prove your statements, since you seem to think you know it all...
Post up a pic of a pushrod checker and that will be somewhat proven.

Let me help you out...on what they look like. I guarantee you dont have one or have ever used one.

http://www.thunderracing.com/catalog/summaries/s106.gif

What im doing now, is what a prosecutor will do...Drill the shop for answers. they will call upon expert witnesses to answer these questions on the stands in front of a jury.

[93WHITELXCOUPE]

What im doing now, is what a prosecutor will do...Drill the shop for answers. they will call upon expert witnesses to answer these questions on the stands in front of a jury.


Alright there MATLOCK! :eek: :D

[Mach1Marauder]

After Sunday, I think you were the one in need of a few "Silver Bullits". :D
Naaaa..no big deal.

[Da Prez]

you said james didn't check the length of the pushrods, can you prove that? or are you assuming that? and why the fuck would I use that, I'm a truck driver not an engine builder... I guess you are a jack of all trades, cause now you think you are a prosecutor too...

[Mach1Marauder]

you said james didn't check the length of the pushrods, can you prove that? or are you assuming that? and why the fuck would I use that, I'm a truck driver not an engine builder... I guess you are a jack of all trades, cause now you think you are a prosecutor too...
Yeah Fred.............He's the newly elected Democrat D.A.!
















D.A.= Dumb Ass! :p

[93WHITELXCOUPE]

Naaaa..no big deal.


What do they say? THAT'S RACING!!!!! :D

[Beenfetchedlately]

you said james didn't check the length of the pushrods, can you prove that? or are you assuming that? and why the fuck would I use that, I'm a truck driver not an engine builder... I guess you are a jack of all trades, cause now you think you are a prosecutor too...
No where did i say James didnt check...I have a feeling he didnt. Thats what I said. Post up a checker from the shop and it will partially be dropped. Whether or not he used it...thats pretty apparent dip shit. The lifters wouldnt be crammed into the cam...DUH!

thats why you pay people to work on your shit. BEcause they are supposed to know what it takes to put something together successfully? Would you agree with that statement?

Im not a prosecutor but do work at a courthouse..Yes I see this cases unfold. Thats what I provided on what would happen.

[Mach1Marauder]

What do they say? THAT'S RACING!!!!! :D
Yeah.....shit happens! :p

[Beenfetchedlately]

Yeah Fred.............He's the newly elected Democrat D.A.!
















D.A.= Dumb Ass! :p

Didnt you just blow your intake sky high?

[Da Prez]

actually he didn't, but that's just you assuming you know it all again...:D

[Beenfetchedlately]

actually he didn't, but that's just you assuming you know it all again...:D

Sorry he blew it to smeatherines (sp)...

[93WHITELXCOUPE]

Im not a prosecutor but do work at a courthouse..Yes I see this cases unfold. Thats what I provided on what would happen.


That's like saying "I'm not a Doctor but I do work in a hospital. (As a Janitor!)" :eek: :D

[Beenfetchedlately]

actually he didn't, but that's just you assuming you know it all again...:D

One thing that can be proven as a fact. I know way more about motors then you do.

[Beenfetchedlately]

That's like saying "I'm not a Doctor but I do work in a hospital. (As a Janitor!)" :eek: :DSpeaking of janitor, will you come clean our toilets. Someone just shit all over the side of it.

[93WHITELXCOUPE]

One thing that can be proven as a fact. I know way more about motors then you do.


TOO EASY!


Yeah, but I know way more about your wife!
:D :D :D

[90GT50]

actually he didn't, but that's just you assuming you know it all again...:DEveryone has pics that say different, lol.

[93WHITELXCOUPE]

Speaking of janitor, will you come clean our toilets. Someone just shit all over the side of it.


You must have confused with some other Messican!!!

[Mach1Marauder]

One thing that can be proven as a fact. I know way more about motors then you do.
OK..........I know more than you about thermal dynamics, real estate, finance, cattle, mod motors........do I need to go on? Take your bipolar meds Mikey. :p

[Da Prez]

ok mike you know more about motors, and I know more about driving a big rig... does any of that matter?

jeremy we all have the same pics, and none show the intake "sky high"...

[Mach1Marauder]

One thing that can be proven as a fact. I know way more about motors then you do.
engines! :rolleyes:

[93WHITELXCOUPE]

engines! :rolleyes:


Bill, he must be an electrician.

[Mach1Marauder]

ok mike you know more about motors, and I know more about driving a big rig... does any of that matter?

jeremy we all have the same pics, and none show the intake "sky high"...
YEAH!.................the hood kept it from orbit! :p

The POS 'noid did it!

[Mach1Marauder]

Bill, he must be an D.A. electrician.
fixed :p

[BoostedGT]

Well as a satisfied customer of HPP I must say they have never done me wrong in the past. It looks like a little complacency/careless came about during the re-assembly of this motor. Now then I can see how this would happen. My last motor I built I didn't check the pushrod length but that was because the motor has been run successfully with this setup. Now then, in a situation where you know the cam has been chewed up and shits all fucked up you should at least check all your bases upon re-assembly. It just sounds like some shortcuts were taken in this matter. That doesn't make James a bad mechanic at all so noone needs to take it that way. I just think he might of got a bit complacent thats all. I will still do business with HPP no matter how this turns out.

[BoostedGT]

YEAH!.................the hood kept it from orbit! :p

The POS 'noid did it!

what I want to know is why you were flipping switches while the nitrous was hung open??? Fuck turn the car off, pull the packs off, bump the motor. Walla you'd still have an intake, hood, fender. Well the more I think about it, I guess it was sudden and you had very little time to react so I don't blame you.

[RED]

Tssk Tssk... That why my car will never see a shop unless I completely know them

I do not know much people from HPP but I do know how mechanics are

1. My life sucks I want to shoot my self
2. I cant believe they denied my raise or they are paying him more and not me
3. Did i check that??? I am sure i did
4. No need to check this and that... what's a couple of 0.001's going to do
5. Hey I never learned this but theres no time or I dont want to look stupid and ask

Basically your are depending on some bad ass mechanic or some moron to work on your car

*Plus Anytime that a stock rebuild cost more then a Standard long block and installation there should be a red flag going off

Either way sounds like deep Poo Poo :D


Stupid fuck.

[Mach1Marauder]

what I want to know is why you were flipping switches while the nitrous was hung open??? Fuck turn the car off, pull the packs off, bump the motor. Walla you'd still have an intake, hood, fender. Well the more I think about it, I guess it was sudden and you had very little time to react so I don't blame you.
Shaddup! I killed the nitrous SYSTEM!! The noid was stuck OPEN! What part of that don't you understand fuckface? :confused:

[BP]

Page 3!

[MR TINFOIL HAT]

Does that 12k include the $4500 he tried to fuck h.p.p. over on? Oh I guess he forgot to mention that part. :rolleyes: Get a mechanics lien and sell his p.o.s. wrecked fireturd.

[JOHN]

HEY! if any one needs work done you can call me at 214-415-5397
Thanks John :D

[93WHITELXCOUPE]

Get a mechanics lien and sell his p.o.s. wrecked fireturd.


LOL :D :D :D

[93WHITELXCOUPE]

HEY! if any one needs work done you can call me at 214-415-5397
Thanks John :D


Hey John, Can you build me a POS LSx for $11,999? :D

[BoostedGT]

Shaddup! I killed the nitrous SYSTEM!! The noid was stuck OPEN! What part of that don't you understand fuckface? :confused:

I understand it fully. What I dont understand is why you didn't kill the one thing you should of killed.... The ignition. :confused:

[93WHITELXCOUPE]

I understand it fully. What I dont understand is why you didn't kill the one thing you should of killed.... The ignition. :confused:


:confused: :confused: :confused:

[5111]

Asssuming that the fault lies with the mechanic, the mechanic should not have to pay for it, HPP should. He is their representative. If the shop has to pay for the mechanic's mistakes they will be sure to get people that do quality work.

Of course I am not placing blame in this particular case, just commenting on procedures.

[BoostedGT]

:confused: :confused: :confused:

:confused: :confused: :confused:

[JOHN]

Hey John, Can you build me a POS LSx for $11,999? :D
for that kinda money i can build some gangsta shit :D

[SEB]

I have been watching the Thread over there at LS1Tech & Now it has moved here also


After reading through it all. I would venture to say the Shop should make this right.

If the kid knew how to build a motor. Then he would have done it himself. When I have a plumber come in to fix my plumbing I hold him responsbile for the plumbing he is fixing.

I am just saying. :eek:

[93WHITELXCOUPE]

:confused: :confused: :confused:


I was agreeing with you and wondering the samething!

[Mach1Marauder]

I understand it fully. What I dont understand is why you didn't kill the one thing you should of killed.... The ignition. :confused:
BULL! The first the is NITROUS system..............that killed the power to the 'noid which should have shut it!
It didn't blow until after I checked the following:
Hit full throttle to see if it was a stuck throttle.
Turned off the nitrous system.........that's the POWER :rolleyes:
Turned off the ignition switch!
All within 1.5 seconds! It didn't go boom until I killed the ignition.
So your retarded ass would have had me go boom at 98 instead of 80! :rolleyes:

[93WHITELXCOUPE]

When I have a plumber come in to fix my plumbing I hold him responsbile for the plumbing he is fixing.

I am just saying. :eek:


Even if you tried fixing the plumbing yourself and srewed it up in the first place?

[Mach1Marauder]

Even if you tried fixing the plumbing yourself and srewed it up in the first place?
and didn't tell him all the shit you fucked up?

[usmcluke]

From someone who doesn't know dick about engines or motors I have to say that this does raise some eyebrows but I see the entire story for what it is.
1. Dude tried a rebuild on his own and fucked up.
2. Dude takes fucked up engine to HPP to get it done right.
3. HPP takes pity on him and takes on a job that they normally wouldn't.
4. Dude wants to be cheap and HPP again caves when they shouldn't have.
5. Whether or not Dude told them the heads had been worked or not they rods/clearances should have been checked. While I may not know dick about building a motor I do know the old addage measure twice, cut once. Is there a good reason not to check the clearances on a motor your building?
6. Dude pays, motor tanks, dude cancels check. Takes it back to HPP.
7. HPP tries again, repeat steps 3-5.
8. Dude is pissed, HPP is embarassed and pissed neither wants to admit their complete level of fault. Pissing contest ensues.

The honest answer is that someone is going to get screwed out of this deal no matter what. I personally think it would show great for HPP to make sure he a good running shortblock charge him for whatever it would have cost had it been fixed correctly the first time and to walk away. I know thats a lot of money out of Manny pocket and I would be pissed too but as a potential customer looking for a shop for my car I don't look at how often they fuck up, I look at how they handle it when they do fuck up.

As for the nut huggers, HPP has plenty, they earned them by giving those customers exactly what they wanted time and again. I think we are all smart enough to figure out who has blind brand/shop loyalty and who just wants to bash. I personally don't hold either of those sentiments.

[SEB]

Even if you tried fixing the plumbing yourself and srewed it up in the first place?


Yeah people screw up when trying to do things theirselves all the time. Thats when you say. I am in over my head & let a professinal fix it instead of making the problem worse.

[BoostedGT]

BULL! The first the is NITROUS system..............that killed the power to the 'noid which should have shut it!
It didn't blow until after I checked the following:
Hit full throttle to see if it was a stuck throttle.
Turned off the nitrous system.........that's the POWER :rolleyes:
Turned off the ignition switch!
All within 1.5 seconds! It didn't go boom until I killed the ignition.
So your retarded ass would have had me go boom at 98 instead of 80! :rolleyes:

Did you ever think that a noid that is "stuck" can remain "stuck" after power is killed to it? Ok mistake #1. So the nitrous kept pouring into the cylinders for an extra two seconds. You hit full throttle. Mistake #2. Wow had you killed the ignition when the noid originally stuck it would of still filled the cylinder but there would of been no flame for the nitrous to be oxidized by. Hence you would of had a cylinder full of nitrous. This is where you go back to the pits, pull the packs, bump the motor. Its ok sir, you learn the hard way sometimes.

[BoostedGT]

I was agreeing with you and wondering the samething!

Oh... Well i was agreeing with your agreement to my faces with question marks over them. :D

[Da Prez]

usmc...

dude cancels check before motor tanks... wonder what's his reasoning?

[1985GT]

From someone who doesn't know dick about engines or motors I have to say that this does raise some eyebrows but I see the entire story for what it is.
1. Dude tried a rebuild on his own and fucked up.
2. Dude takes fucked up engine to HPP to get it done right.
3. HPP takes pity on him and takes on a job that they normally wouldn't.
4. Dude wants to be cheap and HPP again caves when they shouldn't have.
5. Whether or not Dude told them the heads had been worked or not they rods/clearances should have been checked. While I may not know dick about building a motor I do know the old addage measure twice, cut once. Is there a good reason not to check the clearances on a motor your building?
6. Dude pays, motor tanks, dude cancels check. Takes it back to HPP.
7. HPP tries again, repeat steps 3-5.
8. Dude is pissed, HPP is embarassed and pissed neither wants to admit their complete level of fault. Pissing contest ensues.

The honest answer is that someone is going to get screwed out of this deal no matter what. I personally think it would show great for HPP to make sure he a good running shortblock charge him for whatever it would have cost had it been fixed correctly the first time and to walk away. I know thats a lot of money out of Manny pocket and I would be pissed too but as a potential customer looking for a shop for my car I don't look at how often they fuck up, I look at how they handle it when they do fuck up.

As for the nut huggers, HPP has plenty, they earned them by giving those customers exactly what they wanted time and again. I think we are all smart enough to figure out who has blind brand/shop loyalty and who just wants to bash. I personally don't hold either of those sentiments.

well put... It seems like every time I hear anything negative about HPP is it because they were brought something out of the ordinary and somewhat screwed up to begin with. I say stick to what you're good at and turn the special cases away. If they wont listen to your advice, send them packing.

[usmcluke]

usmc...

dude cancels check before motor tanks... wonder what's his reasoning?
Ahhh ha ok thats an issue. Did he have a valid reason for canceling the check? Or some BS excuse? Why did Manny continue to work on the car if he hadn't been paid?

[MR TINFOIL HAT]

usmc...

dude cancels check before motor tanks... wonder what's his reasoning?

Exactly! Shady shit. I 'd tell him "fuck you pay me" just like in goodfellas. Oh your grandma died. Fuck you pay me! Oh you got laid off of work. Fuck you pay me!

[NEAL]

Yeah people screw up when trying to do things theirselves all the time. Thats when you say. I am in over my head & let a professinal fix it instead of making the problem worse.But if the shop can't fix it right it's the customers fault for fucking it up in the first place. Once it enters into a shops doors to be repaired then it becomes 100% that shops responsibility. Especially on motor jobs. If the shop can't fix it right then it shouldn't have written up a ticket or accepted the job. But because it did it's all on their back.

[Mach1Marauder]

Did you ever think that a noid that is "stuck" can remain "stuck" after power is killed to it? Ok mistake #1. So the nitrous kept pouring into the cylinders for an extra two seconds. You hit full throttle. Mistake #2. Wow had you killed the ignition when the noid originally stuck it would of still filled the cylinder but there would of been no flame for the nitrous to be oxidized by. Hence you would of had a cylinder full of nitrous. This is where you go back to the pits, pull the packs, bump the motor. Its ok sir, you learn the hard way sometimes.

The nitrous was still being burned with the engine running :rolleyes:
You can't read worth shit ! Get the order straight!:rolleyes:
If your car doesn't slow down when you let out at the line, you blip the throttle to see if you have stuck throttle!.........we're not talking about a ProMod doing 150+!
This isn't a fucking stick car. You can't just put a reverse manual valve body in neutral and kill the engine going 98mph!
If it had been a stick, I would have killed the ignition and put the clutch in INSTANTLY!
FUCKING RETARDS!!!!!!!!! :rolleyes:

[Da Prez]

not sure what his reason is, apparently he forgot that part of the story... I believe manny continued to work on his car because he wasn't aware the check had been cancelled...

[Beenfetchedlately]

TOO EASY!



:D :D :D
Im not married... :rolleyes:

[90GT50]

YEAH!.................the hood kept it from orbit! :p

The POS 'noid did it!LOL, you have a point, I think the hood just barely kept it though, heh.

[Beenfetchedlately]

The nitrous was still being burned with the engine running :rolleyes:
You can't read worth shit ! Get the order straight!:rolleyes:
If your car doesn't slow down when you let out at the line, you blip the throttle to see if you have stuck throttle!.........we're not talking about a ProMod doing 150+!
This isn't a fucking stick car. You can't just put a reverse manual valve body in neutral and kill the engine going 98mph!
If it had been a stick, I would have killed the ignition and put the clutch in INSTANTLY!
FUCKING RETARDS!!!!!!!!! :rolleyes:

You can kill the ignition no matter what gear you are in..Dont lock the steering wheel though...bump the car into nuetral once the motor is off...No motor, no igntion , no intake boom. The only retard is the rookie behind the wheel.

[usmcluke]

You can kill the ignition no matter what gear you are in..Dont lock the steering wheel though...bump the car into nuetral once the motor is off...No motor, no igntion , no intake boom. The only retard is the rookie behind the wheel.
Were you born with the knowledge of how to deal with a stuck noid? Perhaps you could write an article on how to deal with all sort of racing "emergencies". I don't know but wrong thread and I think Bill gets it that he didn't take the right steps (he won't admit it, he's just that way). Let the man lick his wounds and fix his car. :D

[Beenfetchedlately]

Did you ever think that a noid that is "stuck" can remain "stuck" after power is killed to it? Ok mistake #1. So the nitrous kept pouring into the cylinders for an extra two seconds. You hit full throttle. Mistake #2. Wow had you killed the ignition when the noid originally stuck it would of still filled the cylinder but there would of been no flame for the nitrous to be oxidized by. Hence you would of had a cylinder full of nitrous. This is where you go back to the pits, pull the packs, bump the motor. Its ok sir, you learn the hard way sometimes.
There are no nitrous for Dummies books out there Chris.

He's old and set in his ways. Problem, he has yet to learn that even if its stuck, killing power to the system will never unclog a solenoid!

[mikeb]

What usmc posted is the way I see it. HPP went out of their way to work with used parts with unknown issues at the customer's insistence, didn't catch all of the issues, and got burned. No disrespect to HPP but since the customer had a basket case with deep issues and a tight wallet the car probably should have been taken to a shop that does primarily LSx work.

Now there has been a lot of money spent and what is left is who will pay for what.

[Mach1Marauder]

You can kill the ignition no matter what gear you are in..Dont lock the steering wheel though...bump the car into nuetral once the motor is off...No motor, no igntion , no intake boom. The only retard is the rookie behind the wheel.
BULL FUCKING SHIT!!!!!
Going by YOUR stupid logic, why did it blow as soon as I killed the ignition? :confused:

[Beenfetchedlately]

Were you born with the knowledge of how to deal with a stuck noid? Perhaps you could write an article on how to deal with all sort of racing "emergencies". I don't know but wrong thread and I think Bill gets it that he didn't take the right steps (he won't admit it, he's just that way). Let the man lick his wounds and fix his car. :DI am speaking from experience. I had a nitrous noid hang on me twice in two seperate occasions. I killed the car (reverse manual T400) coasted to the side. Opened the hatch, (this is also now why i mount bottles within drivers reach to be shut off in case of emergency) and cut the bottle off. This was a dry kit BTW...same concept though.

Pulled the wires off the plugs and spun the motor over for about 30 seconds and with the car at WOT on the peddle to kill any extra fuel going in to the cylinders...dont do this on a carb setup.

Fired the motor up and bam..ran like a top. 2nd occasion was easier to deal with. The bottle was behind the pass seat..shut it off and keep driving...no issues there either.

[Beenfetchedlately]

BULL FUCKING SHIT!!!!!
Going by YOUR stupid logic, why did it blow as soon as I killed the ignition? :confused:You had already waited to long to kill it. You were fucking with the ignition, patting the throttle when the first step was to take and kill the ignition..

I would almost bet a paycheck you have a plug that lost a tip and the flame traveled back through a bent intake valve that lit the uningested nitrous and fuel that you kept spraying into the intake... :cool:

[usmcluke]

I am speaking from experience. I had a nitrous noid hang on me twice in two seperate occasions. I killed the car (reverse manual T400) coasted to the side. Opened the hatch, (this is also now why i mount bottles within drivers reach to be shut off in case of emergency) and cut the bottle off. This was a dry kit BTW...same concept though.

Pulled the wires off the plugs and spun the motor over for about 30 seconds and with the car at WOT on the peddle to kill any extra fuel going in to the cylinders...dont do this on a carb setup.

Fired the motor up and bam..ran like a top. 2nd occasion was easier to deal with. The bottle was behind the pass seat..shut it off and keep driving...no issues there either.
Since I am a nitrous NEWB and should be a the Spring Cruise in full force I will be commiting that to memory. I probably would have done what Bill did to be honest :o, but your not going to get him to admit he was wrong. He's not that kind of guy. Thanks for the info though.

[XR_1]

Stupid fuck.

Got your raise denied after the double seal oil filter incident
Life must suck :o

[Mach1Marauder]

You had already waited to long to kill it. You were fucking with the ignition, patting the throttle when the first step was to take and kill the ignition..

I would almost bet a paycheck you have a plug that lost a tip and the flame traveled back through a bent intake valve that lit the uningested nitrous and fuel that you kept spraying into the intake... :cool:
You'd lose that check! Good thing you said almost!
You still didn't answer the question!
Going by YOUR stupid logic, why did it blow as soon as I killed the ignition?

[AL P]

I'm laughing at this stupid fuck because if I had an engine that had a problem where the lifters dug into the cam I'd figure out why before I even fired it up the second time. This idiot goes on and on and on about how HPP should have checked pushrod length and how he told them so. Well....NO SHIT! I think if it was my motor and I had "told them so" and it was my wallet that was taking the beating I would have went up there and checked them my damn self before it was fired up the THIRD time or the FOURTH time. Granted, HPP's man should know what the hell he is doing but if this fucking shitheel is going to use hindsight and talk about what should have been done then his actions are fair fucking game as well. What kind of an idiot just keeps throwing money out on the counter and saying "Here you go, I think you need to check this or that but it's just money.... FIX IT........."

[Turbo5.4]

I have said it many times... Manny NORMALLY fess's up to shit... you just have to talk to him... If manny FUCKED somehting up he will cover it... AT HIS EXPENSE not retail... but i am sure there is a meduim... SOunds to me like the Formula fag is like the rest of the GM owners... A fucking CHEAP ASS that wants shit for free... i could be wrong... from what i read manny has tried to help...

[Beenfetchedlately]

You'd lose that check! Good thing you said almost!
You still didn't answer the question!
Going by YOUR stupid logic, why did it blow as soon as I killed the ignition?
learn to read instead of playing with keyboard functions....

Ill elaborate even more...

A plug is still glowing from making a pass...You killed the power first...which should have been ignition...The sooner you catch it the less fuel and nitrous gets into intake tract..TB blade closed and all...You let off the gas kill the car simple..

Now that you blipped the throttle, you just allowed unburnt fuel/nitrous mixture go into a cylinder as you were cutting the car off.
A plug that is glowing red hot will still light a mixture (this is also a reason why people run cooler plugs in race applications...to prevent PRE IGNITION BILL! when its not actually getting a spark....guess what...when you killed the car the vavles are still going to be open on some cylinders sending that boom out the intake...TB blade closed...its gotta blow somewhere!!!!...thats vavletrain and camshaft stuff...had you never blipped the THROTTLE and only cut the car off it would have still been intake. No extra fuel and juice would have gotte into the intake and all would have been well...Any more questions you want to ask...go for it...With all the reading you do, I really thought you could put two and two together on valvetrain motions, intake and exhaust valve events etc..

[MR TINFOIL HAT]

I'm laughing at this stupid fuck because if I had an engine that had a problem where the lifters dug into the cam I'd figure out why before I even fired it up the second time. This idiot goes on and on and on about how HPP should have checked pushrod length and how he told them so. Well....NO SHIT! I think if it was my motor and I had "told them so" and it was my wallet that was taking the beating I would have went up there and checked them my damn self before it was fired up the THIRD time or the FOURTH time. Granted, HPP's man should know what the hell he is doing but if this fucking shitheel is going to use hindsight and talk about what should have been done then his actions are fair fucking game as well. What kind of an idiot just keeps throwing money out on the counter and saying "Here you go, I think you need to check this or that but it's just money.... FIX IT........."

Amen. The best part is he's upset because he couldn't take his girl to prom in his fireturd. LMMFAO!

[Mach1Marauder]

learn to read instead of playing with keyboard functions....
You didn't answer the question!
With the engine running, the nitrous is still being burned!
You were wrong..........PLUGS LOOK FINE!
:rolleyes:

[AL P]

Amen. The best part is he's upset because he couldn't take his girl to prom in his fireturd. LMMFAO!

He sounds like a kid with no money and no mechanical skills. I've talked many of them out of doing shit like he did, IE putting something together. It's an engine, not a piece of furniture!! The kid should have got some headers and other crap and been happy being just like the other 1 billion LS1 nerds out there.

[Beenfetchedlately]

You didn't answer the question!
With the engine running, the nitrous is still being burned!
You were wrong..........PLUGS LOOK FINE!
:rolleyes:
Hello...Open your eyes before you talk shit.

If you wanna step up, step up...You;ll get knocked down.

I just explained it to you what happens!

Bottom line, Nitrous backfires happen because of too early or late of timing...Consult a professional if you dont believe...

[JMAC]

I am speaking from experience. I had a nitrous noid hang on me twice in two seperate occasions. I killed the car (reverse manual T400) coasted to the side. Opened the hatch, (this is also now why i mount bottles within drivers reach to be shut off in case of emergency) and cut the bottle off. This was a dry kit BTW...same concept though.

Pulled the wires off the plugs and spun the motor over for about 30 seconds and with the car at WOT on the peddle to kill any extra fuel going in to the cylinders...dont do this on a carb setup.

Fired the motor up and bam..ran like a top. 2nd occasion was easier to deal with. The bottle was behind the pass seat..shut it off and keep driving...no issues there either.Yes sir, I had to pull my coil wire off and spun the motor off for some time. My damn KNS noid got stuck. :mad: . Car is in one piece, thankfully.

[Mach1Marauder]

learn to read instead of playing with keyboard functions....

Ill elaborate even more...

A plug is still glowing from making a pass...You killed the power first...which should have been ignition...The sooner you catch it the less fuel and nitrous gets into intake tract..TB blade closed and all...You let off the gas kill the car simple..

Now that you blipped the throttle, you just allowed unburnt fuel/nitrous mixture go into a cylinder as you were cutting the car off.
A plug that is glowing red hot will still light a mixture (this is also a reason why people run cooler plugs in race applications...to prevent PRE IGNITION BILL! when its not actually getting a spark....guess what...when you killed the car the vavles are still going to be open on some cylinders sending that boom out the intake...TB blade closed...its gotta blow somewhere!!!!...thats vavletrain and camshaft stuff...had you never blipped the THROTTLE and only cut the car off it would have still been intake. No extra fuel and juice would have gotte into the intake and all would have been well...Any more questions you want to ask...go for it...With all the reading you do, I really thought you could put two and two together on valvetrain motions, intake and exhaust valve events etc..

You can't keep shit straight can you?
No fuel from the nitrous was being sprayed!
Cylinder temps would have been higher JUST AFTER THE RUN.
Nitrous still gets into the intake EVEN WITH THE THROTTLE BLADES CLOSED!....tell me how nitrous still gets into the intake Mikey! :mad:

[Beenfetchedlately]

You can't keep shit straight can you?
No fuel from the nitrous was being sprayed!
Cylinder temps would have been higher JUST AFTER THE RUN.
Nitrous still gets into the intake EVEN WITH THE THROTTLE BLADES CLOSED!....tell me how nitrous still gets into the intake Mikey! :mad:Consult someone who cares...

You blipped the throttle trying to unstick it!!! There is fuel in the cylinder from the injectors you stupid fuck! THe injectors are still firing cause at this TIME you havent cut the motor off....HELL the fuck O????????????? :eek:

[BoostedGT]

LOL damn Mike. I gave up trying to explain it to him. Fuck it, I guess the best course of action to him is to sit there and flip power switches while your motor fills with nitrous. LOL. Newbies ROCK!

[Mach1Marauder]

Hello...Open your eyes before you talk shit.

If you wanna step up, step up...You;ll get knocked down.

I just explained it to you what happens!

Bottom line, Nitrous backfires happen because of too early or late of timing...Consult a professional if you dont believe...
Keep back peddling bitch!
Now it's the timing! James should bust your stupid ass for that shit! :rolleyes:

Consult someone who cares...

You blipped the throttle trying to unstick it!!! There is fuel in the cylinder from the injectors you stupid fuck! THe injectors are still firing cause at this TIME you havent cut the motor off....HELL the fuck O????????????? :eek:
What's happening to the fuel?.........BEING BURNED YOU FUCKING TARD!
With the throttle closed, nitrous would STILL get into the intake thru the AIC!
I was fucked no matter WHAT I did!
Doing it the way you said, It would have went boom at 98!........because of PRE-IGNITION...........your words

Where in the FUCK did your stupid comment about a bent valve come from?
Damn Mike You sure can stretch shit!

[Mach1Marauder]

LOL damn Mike. I gave up trying to explain it to him. Fuck it, I guess the best course of action to him is to sit there and flip power switches while your motor fills with nitrous. LOL. Newbies ROCK!
Hush fool!...........Don't make me break some shit out! ;) :p

[BoostedGT]

Hush fool!...........Don't make me break some shit out! ;) :p

Haha you've already broke enough shit haven't you? :p

[mustangguy289]

Why the fuck would a reputable shop not check pushrod length with a diff set of heads on a motor? I dont own a shop and the first thing that popped into my mind halfway through his post was" I wonder if they checked the pushrod length?"....... Hes an idiot for taking it back to the same place 3 times if they wouldnt back up there work.

[Beenfetchedlately]

Keep back peddling bitch!
Now it's the timing! James should bust your stupid ass for that shit! :rolleyes:


What's happening to the fuel?.........BEING BURNED YOU FUCKING TARD!
With the throttle closed, nitrous would STILL get into the intake thru the AIC!
I was fucked no matter WHAT I did!
Doing it the way you said, It would have went boom at 98!........because of PRE-IGNITION...........your words

Where in the FUCK did your stupid comment about a bent valve come from?
Damn Mike You sure can stretch shit!
There aint no one that can tell you any different. thats the only thing coming from this..besides you are trying to take the heat off of HPP...

so yea, if they checked pushrod lenght the car would have left long time ago...

Aint no one gonna slap no body with out getting a face full of fist. Try me.

I listed several scenarios in my previous postings that could have happened to that motor..All the plugs are fine..Good deal. Takes the possibility of bent valves to a lesser probablity of the equation.

What you claim to have happened is only part of the problem. You have to dig depper on why the intake burst...And Ill repeat....too early or too late of timing events caused that mixture to ignite. Whether it was a small amount or large amount that seeped past the blade, it still got there and your shit is in pieces.

Another thing we know, is there isnt anyone disagreeing with my scenarios but you. You are the nitrous newbie....Not me.

[Beenfetchedlately]

There aint no one that can tell you any different. thats the only thing coming from this..besides you are trying to take the heat off of HPP...

so yea, if they checked pushrod lenght the car would have left long time ago...

Aint no one gonna slap no body with out getting a face full of fist. Try me.

I listed several scenarios in my previous postings that could have happened to that motor..All the plugs are fine..Good deal. Takes the possibility of bent valves to a lesser probablity of the equation.

What you claim to have happened is only part of the problem. You have to dig depper on why the intake burst...And Ill repeat....too early or too late of timing events caused that mixture to ignite. Whether it was a small amount or large amount that seeped past the blade, it still got there and your shit is in pieces.

Another thing we know, is there isnt anyone disagreeing with my scenarios but you. You are the nitrous newbie....Not me.
You want some real diehard information, go sign up on Speedtalk.com and hear it from the engine builders themselves of why things happen. Go ahead bill, dont be scared.

[SEB]

But if the shop can't fix it right it's the customers fault for fucking it up in the first place. Once it enters into a shops doors to be repaired then it becomes 100% that shops responsibility. Especially on motor jobs. If the shop can't fix it right then it shouldn't have written up a ticket or accepted the job. But because it did it's all on their back.


Agreed

[Beenfetchedlately]

Agreed
X2 to the infinity!

[Mach1Marauder]

There aint no one that can tell you any different. thats the only thing coming from this..besides you are trying to take the heat off of HPP...

so yea, if they checked pushrod lenght the car would have left long time ago...

Aint no one gonna slap no body with out getting a face full of fist. Try me.

I listed several scenarios in my previous postings that could have happened to that motor..All the plugs are fine..Good deal. Takes the possibility of bent valves to a lesser probablity of the equation.

What you claim to have happened is only part of the problem. You have to dig depper on why the intake burst...And Ill repeat....too early or too late of timing events caused that mixture to ignite. Whether it was a small amount or large amount that seeped past the blade, it still got there and your shit is in pieces.

Another thing we know, is there isnt anyone disagreeing with my scenarios but you. You are the nitrous newbie....Not me.
Not in the public forum!
We all know you know EVERYTHING and you haven't been wrong about a fucking thing here. :rolleyes:

[mustangguy289]

i wanna know where a kid whose going to prom( in hs evidently) comes up with 12k in the first place?

[mustangguy289]

X2 to the infinity!
+1

[BoostedGT]

Poppa. :)

[Beenfetchedlately]

Not in the public forum!
We all know you know EVERYTHING and you haven't been wrong about a fucking thing here. :rolleyes:I have never said once that i know everything. Ive always said I know a little about alot..Bottom line here is that people my not do the same thing to get to the same girl..Not always is it right but in a round about way we all end up at the same point somewhere....For you..Its blowed the fuck up..



But way to absorb the heat off HPP..Lets hear from James since he's ultimately responsible for this mishap and preventing in on the LS1 car.

[Nate]

I have said it many times... Manny NORMALLY fess's up to shit... you just have to talk to him... If manny FUCKED somehting up he will cover it... AT HIS EXPENSE not retail... but i am sure there is a meduim... SOunds to me like the Formula fag is like the rest of the GM owners... A fucking CHEAP ASS that wants shit for free... i could be wrong... from what i read manny has tried to help...
Jesus Christ you are a fucking moron...yeah I'm typical GM owner...I want all my shit for cheap...Have you checked the lowballing that goes on here in the classifieds by all the fox/ford owners? all Ford owners are cheapasses that lowball everything.

[Mach1Marauder]

I have never said once that i know everything. Ive always said I know a little about alot..Bottom line here is that people my not do the same thing to get to the same girl..Not always is it right but in a round about way we all end up at the same point somewhere....For you..Its blowed the fuck up..



But way to absorb the heat off HPP..Lets hear from James since he's ultimately responsible for this mishap and preventing in on the LS1 car.
Mike
You CAN be such a total fucking dickhead retard! NO WAY James is responsible for what happened to me on Sunday! You're just a plain outright HPP hater.....PERIOD. :mad:

[Mach1Marauder]

Jesus Christ you are a fucking moron...yeah I'm typical GM owner...I want all my shit for cheap...Have you checked the lowballing that goes on here in the classifieds by all the fox/ford owners? all Ford owners are cheapasses that lowball everything.
Shaddup cheap bastard! You used to own a Ford! :p
Damn Pillsbury Doughboy! :p

[Juiced4V]

X2 to the infinity!

x3

[Nate]

Shaddup cheap bastard! You used to own a Ford! :p
Damn Pillsbury Doughboy! :p
Yeah I'm a cheapbastard but I got a running car right now. :D

[SEB]

Jesus Christ you are a fucking moron...yeah I'm typical GM owner...I want all my shit for cheap...Have you checked the lowballing that goes on here in the classifieds by all the fox/ford owners? all Ford owners are cheapasses that lowball everything.


X2 here from a previous Ford owner ;)

[BoostedGT]

Mike
You CAN be such a total fucking dickhead retard! NO WAY James is responsible for what happened to me on Sunday! You're just a plain outright HPP hater.....PERIOD. :mad:

Can we get a new prescription of glasses over here?

[Beenfetchedlately]

Mike
You CAN be such a total fucking dickhead retard! NO WAY James is responsible for what happened to me on Sunday! You're just a plain outright HPP hater.....PERIOD. :mad:
How am I a hater? :rolleyes: When did I say he was responsible for your car blowing. Theres no one to blame on your junk but your rookie self..

I like Manny, always have and Ozzy. I dont know the rest. I just want to see folks admit they were wrong and move on to higher ground with the issues settled.

Now if we were talking about being a hater...yes I hate RPM.

[SEB]

Can we get a new prescription of glasses over here?


LMAO :D

[Juiced4V]

Jesus Christ you are a fucking moron...yeah I'm typical GM owner...I want all my shit for cheap...Have you checked the lowballing that goes on here in the classifieds by all the fox/ford owners? all Ford owners are cheapasses that lowball everything.


slow down turbo.... :p

[MR TINFOIL HAT]

No matter how good a shop is and how many satisfied customers they have, there will always be haters out there. Fuck him and his wrecked piece of shit. I hope h.p.p. gets it titled and crushes that piece of shit, and uses it for a parking pad for a TT cobra.

[Beenfetchedlately]

Can we get a new prescription of glasses over here?

I get it now...its his job to provide smoke n mirrors to the title of this thread. :)

[Lason]

Bill you have no leg to stand on by telling Mike he is a know it all. You argue stupid shit with people all the time and are set in your ways. Thats like the pot calling the kettle black. Actually Mike and Boosted are correct. With your stuck noid the power to the nitrous system is of no use, the nitrous will keep flowing anyway. You could have hit the ignition power and been good to go. Now that being said I know some 'braked valve bodies cant be put in neutral to coast without screwing them up so thats understandable too.


Back to the HPP thing. I dont hate them or do I love them and hang from their nuts like some blown up stangs on this site. Once that car entered HPP's bay doors and they took a wrench to it they aggreed to fix anyone and everyones screw ups. I have bent pushrods before doing the same thing and getting in a hurry. But there is NO WAY I would have done it time and time again and charged the customer for my screw ups.

Its threads like this that make me glad I dont let many people work on my car. if something gives I like knowing who to blame. ME!

[SEB]

Back to the HPP thing. I dont hate them or do I love them and hang from their nuts like some blown up stangs on this site. Once that car entered HPP's bay doors and they took a wrench to it they aggreed to fix anyone and everyones screw ups. I have bent pushrods before doing the same thing and getting in a hurry. But there is NO WAY I would have done it time and time again and charged the customer for my screw ups.

Its threads like this that make me glad I dont let many people work on my car. if something gives I like knowing who to blame. ME!


WELL SAID,,,, clap clap clap :D

[Nate]

No matter how good a shop is and how many satisfied customers they have, there will always be haters out there. Fuck him and his wrecked piece of shit. I hope h.p.p. gets it titled and crushes that piece of shit, and uses it for a parking pad for a TT cobra.
Easy for you to say not knowing the guys situation...i'm not saying either party is right but that post is downright ignorant.

[Lason]

Easy for you to say not knowing the guys situation...i'm not saying either party is right but that post is downright ignorant.

Ignorant is putting it kindly. I bet if it was hit piece of crap he would be on here just as pissed.

[Nate]

Ignorant is putting it kindly. I bet if it was hit piece of crap he would be on here just as pissed.
Well if I called him what I was really thinking I'd be an HPP hater or something and he might want to fight me because he is a piece of shit. :p

[MR TINFOIL HAT]

Easy for you to say not knowing the guys situation...i'm not saying either party is right but that post is downright ignorant.

I know he's a weasel and now kharma's kicking him in the ass for it. When you try and fuck people over this is what happens to you. I'm sure you'd be real happy if someone tried to fuck you on $4500.

[Lason]

Well if I called him what I was really thinking I'd be an HPP hater or something and he might want to fight me because he is a piece of shit. :p


Dont be a HPP hater, I hear you get banned for that around here :D

[Nate]

I know he's a weasel and now kharma's kicking him in the ass for it. When you try and fuck people over this is what happens to you. I'm sure you'd be real happy if someone tried to fuck you on $4500.
How do you know? Heresay? From what you've heard...from short conversations you've had with said person?

I am still dealing with getting fucked over on heads but I bet kharma's dealing with me right now huh? Get over yourself and your holier than thou attitude that you know everything cupcake.

[MR TINFOIL HAT]

Ignorant is putting it kindly. I bet if it was hit piece of crap he would be on here just as pissed.
Actually I pay my bills when i get work done, so I wouldn't have to work on convincing people on forums that I was fucked over by so and so. Bottom line he tried to fuck someone over and got caught.

[Lason]

I know he's a weasel and now kharma's kicking him in the ass for it. When you try and fuck people over this is what happens to you. I'm sure you'd be real happy if someone tried to fuck you on $4500.

Well depending on how you look at it he is getting fucked out of $4500.

What it boils down to is HPP took on a job and it ended up in a cluster fuck. Should they be responsible since they agreed and didnt send him to another shop like they should have if they arent specialized in LSX's? Or should he be responsible for being a dumbass stingy customer? Personally I assume all customers would go to a shop because they dont know better so it is the shops responsibility to do it right the first time and keep their good name. If you came to me and tell me you wanted me to install some heads but you wanted me to use the original 100,000 mile headgaskets because you couldnt afford new ones I would tell you to save up till you afford them and then come see me for the install.

[Turbo5.4]

I am a fag and need to stop posting in here!

FIXED!!!

Your shit blew up cause of your ass not no one elses or what now! If it was the solinod NX or whoever would fix it... Stop Nutswinging!

SO STFU with your BS! Stop postwhoring and get this thread back on Topic!

:mad:


Thanks!

[MR TINFOIL HAT]

How do you know? Heresay? From what you've heard...from short conversations you've had with said person?

I am still dealing with getting fucked over on heads but I bet kharma's dealing with me right now huh? Get over yourself and your holier than thou attitude that you know everything cupcake.

Don't you worry about how I know. I just know. Maybe you don't understand kharma? Since you got fucked over on your heads the bad kharma should go to whoever sold it you. Got it twinkie? GOOD.

[Nate]

Don't you worry about how I know. I just know. Maybe you don't understand kharma? Since you got fucked over on your heads the bad kharma should go to whoever sold it you. Got it twinkie? GOOD.
I'm not worried about any sort of kharma. I lay my head down at night and fall asleep with a clean and clear mind. Thanks for you concern pumpkin.

As for the person on the other side of the heads, things will be taken care of, but we are just doing it out of the public eye.

[MR TINFOIL HAT]

I'm not worried about any sort of kharma. I lay my head down at night and fall asleep with a clean and clear mind. Thanks for you concern pumpkin.


No problem Ding Dong.

[bcoop]

Mike
You CAN be such a total fucking dickhead retard! NO WAY James is responsible for what happened to me on Sunday! You're just a plain outright HPP hater.....PERIOD. :mad:



As others have said, you need some new fucking glasses.

How is he a hater? Because he didn't jump to their defense and swing from their nuts like you have done? Catch a fucking clue, old man. Normally you seem pretty cool, but your ignorance is shining in this thread. And I think everyone here can agree that even though Mike's a dickhead :p , he still has more experience with nitrous than you; and he knows his shit.


I don't know who is to blame here, and don't really care either. But this has sure made my day go by faster.

[TOMMY]

HEY! if any one needs work done you can call me at 214-415-5397
Thanks John :D


LMAO! @ John

[FRANCISCO308]

x3
x4

[TOMMY]

I have said it many times... Manny NORMALLY fess's up to shit... you just have to talk to him... If manny FUCKED somehting up he will cover it... AT HIS EXPENSE not retail... but i am sure there is a meduim... SOunds to me like the Formula fag is like the rest of the GM owners... A fucking CHEAP ASS that wants shit for free... i could be wrong... from what i read manny has tried to help...



<------- all GM owners aren't cheap :mad: :p

[BP]

Mike's a dickhead :p

The hell you say! :D

[Turbo5.4]

<------- all GM owners aren't cheap :mad: :p

well okay except you.... :mad:

[MR TINFOIL HAT]

Well depending on how you look at it he is getting fucked out of $4500.

Well you can't get fucked out of something if you 've never paid for it to begin with.

[TOMMY]

well okay except you.... :mad:

:D .............

[SEB]

well okay except you.... :mad:


Me either? :(

[Lason]

well okay except you.... :mad:

I got a stack of reciepts that prove Im anything but a cheap ass GM owner! I got more dough in this Datsun that I have in 3 of my previous stangs!

AND IT STILL ISNT DONE! :(

[needsastang80]

i dont know shit about ls1 or am i a engine builder, but isnt a ls1 a roller motor?
and if it is a roller motor how do you flatten lifter? and its hydrulic(sp) which is very forgiving when it comes to setting valve lash, which there shoud be none on a hydro cam right? ive never had work done by HPP but the seem to have a good rep. and the seem to be going out of there way to help this guy.

[Da Prez]

fuck all gm owners...

[bcoop]

fuck all gm owners...



fuck you too, pinche

[needsastang80]

besides this kid bitching about not having his car for prom right? what 17 year old kid rolls that kinda money on his own? i know i for sure the hell didnt. his daddy and mommy are the ones dealing with this and the kids not really even involved. the only thing he know is the cars still there, still broke and just talking shit. so chance are were not evern getting the right story

[Lason]

fuck all gm owners...

Fuck all cobra owners because I really want a comp orange cobra!

[Wade@HPP]

Got your raise denied after the double seal oil filter incident
Life must suck :o


Tell me about it, your still sucking dick after all these years, oh well maybe some day you can get a real job.......



RED<----- about to go end my life now

[Turbo5.4]

Tell me about it, your still sucking dick after all these years, oh well maybe some day you can get a real job.......



RED<----- about to go end my life now

OH SHIT WATCH OUT HE IS HARDCORE!!!

He migh pul a gat n uz homi nd bst a cap naus dawg :eek:

[Mach1Marauder]

FIXED!!!

Your shit blew up cause of your ass not no one elses or what now! If it was the solinod NX or whoever would fix it... Stop Nutswinging!

SO STFU with your BS! Stop postwhoring and get this thread back on Topic!

:mad:


Thanks!
Shut the fuck up you cock breath bastard!
Go suck on Dan or Travis! I think they miss you!

[Da Prez]

fuck you two more... :D

[Mach1Marauder]

fuck all gm owners...
X2

[SVT Lurch]

cupcake
twinkie
pumpkin
Ding Dong
lol
because I really want a comp orange cobra!
me too :o

This thread hurts my head.

[TOMMY]

My $0.02


Both threads the one on ls1tech & this one made for some good reading. you got the hpp vs some guy & bill & mike arguing back in forth....I'm going to print all this shit when this is over.. make it into a script and try to sell it...I need a name for it..how about..

The Fast and The Furious 4
DFW BOOMBITCH!

I'm rich!!!!lol

No but really no comment on the hhp stuff not my place to say. Mike leave Bill alone before he put a http://news.bbc.co.uk/media/images/38586000/jpg/_38586411_sniper_bullet_ap150.jpg in ya... :D

[mellowyellow02]

fuck all gm owners...Coming from someone who gets drug by them on a regular basis.... :eek:

[Mach1Marauder]

My $0.02


Both threads the one on ls1tech & this one made for some good reading. you got the hpp vs some guy & bill & mike arguing back in forth....I'm going to print all this shit when this is over.. make it into a script and try to sell it...I need a name for it..how about..

The Fast and The Furious 4
DFW BOOMBITCH!

I'm rich!!!!lol

No but really no comment on the hhp stuff not my place to say. Mike leave Bill alone before he put a http://news.bbc.co.uk/media/images/38586000/jpg/_38586411_sniper_bullet_ap150.jpg in ya... :D

Waaaaaay too small Tommy! You should know by Sunday, I don't do things in small ways. ;)

[Da Prez]

melloyellow, you are a fucking idiot, I've only been beat by one z06, so I dunno what the fuck you are talking about...

[Turbo5.4]

Shut the fuck up you cock breath bastard!
Go suck on Dan or Travis! I think they miss you!

me suck!!! PLease i prob have spent as much or maybe more then you with HPP and i aint hang from their nuts or anyone elses!!!

So GO take your viagra YOU OLD FUCK!

And Dan????? WHO is that.. Man you know more then me huh you fucking nut swinger... i am done talking with you so drop it whore...

Back on task.... :D

[TOMMY]

fuck all gm owners...


Well damn Fred....I love you too! :D

[AL P]

Mach1Marauder's reflexes are so slow from being 300 years old that his hand just now reached out into thin air to try to turn that nitrous off.....

[Beenfetchedlately]

melloyellow, you are a fucking idiot, I've only been beat by one z06, so I dunno what the fuck you are talking about...Cause you havent raced his car or enough of them...You pick and choose..;)

[mellowyellow02]

melloyellow, you are a fucking idiot, I've only been beat by one z06, so I dunno what the fuck you are talking about...You are that short , big hispanic guy right ??? You drive a gray Cobra right ?? If so I beat you on motor on the way home from the garland GTG awhile back...Remember ??? Yellow T/A ...Ask JP and he will remind you....And I'm an Idiot...I did not even have to turn the bottle on....So yea he has Mike....

[Beenfetchedlately]

You are that short , big hispanic guy right ??? You drive a gray Cobra right ?? If so I beat you on motor on the way home from the garland GTG awhile back...Remember ??? Yellow T/A ...Ask JP and he will remind you....And I'm an Idiot...I did not even have to turn the bottle on....So yea he has Mike....

I stand corrected! :)

[MR TINFOIL HAT]

What kind of #'s do you put down mellowyellow?

[Beenfetchedlately]

What kind of #'s do you put down mellowyellow?Last I heard it was like 630 and 750...on bottle... :eek:

[Da Prez]

wow you know what I look like and what I drive, who on the fucking board doesnt... is that your claim to fame, that you claim to beat me? lmfao

[Beenfetchedlately]

wow you know what I look like and what I drive, who on the fucking board doesnt... is that your claim to fame, that you claim to beat me? lmfao
well you are denying the fact so he stated what you look like..>Then again this statement kinda reminds me of the old street days when Id bust your ass in my cars and you'd want to fight or deny it :rolleyes:

[wheelsuptopdown]

Who the F is Fred? :rolleyes:

[usmcluke]

Sweet! More posts that have nothing to do with the title of thread. Weren't you guys hackin on Bill about that earlier?

[Beenfetchedlately]

Sweet! More posts that have nothing to do with the title of thread. Weren't you guys hackin on Bill about that earlier?This thread is toast man...It doesnt matter now. Gotta fuck with Fred some. :cool:

[Da Prez]

mike you are such a fucking dick, if I ever wanted to beat your ass, I would have done it years ago, hell not like it would take a lot of time out of my day... as far as racing, sure you've beat me and I've beat you, its racing...thats what happens sometimes...

[mellowyellow02]

wow you know what I look like and what I drive, who on the fucking board doesnt... is that your claim to fame, that you claim to beat me? lmfaoNo ...You said you only been beat by a Zo6 so I had to correct you....And claim to fame....Not hardly that was an easy win for me...

[Lason]

Sweet! More posts that have nothing to do with the title of thread. Weren't you guys hackin on Bill about that earlier?

Nope we were bustin on Bill cause he cant take constructive critisism (sp?) worth a shit and thinks he knows everything. That and cutting off the circulation to HPP's balls from hugging so tightly.

[TINKRD]

Last I heard it was like 630 and 750...on bottle... :eek:

on a stock bottom end??

[SVT Lurch]

That's what happened! HPP's balls had no circulation, thus no testosterone being produced, meaning they lose some car knowledge, and they forgot to measure the pushrods. Right? :rolleyes: That makes as much sense as the bulk of this thread.

[mellowyellow02]

on a stock bottom end??He was kidding....

[MR TINFOIL HAT]

He was kidding....
So what are your #'s?

[mellowyellow02]

So what are your #'s?580/600 Of useless power... :mad:

[SEB]

I like GM & Ford Thank You very much.....



Even though there seems to be a rule written in stone that you have to be die hard Chevy or Ford.....

But I have always broke the RULES :D

[black90gt]

So what are your #'s?

and yours?

[Da Prez]

glad to hear it was an easy win, but it wasn't against me... sorry bud...

[mellowyellow02]

I like GM & Ford Thank You very much.....



Even though there seems to be a rule written in stone that you have to be die hard Chevy or Ford.....

But I have always broke the RULES :DTrue that.... Hell I like Fred's Cobra alot...

[mellowyellow02]

glad to hear it was an easy win, but it wasn't against me... sorry bud...You had your wife with you ..Brunette taller than you..You called JP (tinkrd) right after cause I called him too..

[SEB]

True that.... Hell I like Fred's Cobra alot...


I like it too...


















































In my Rearview mirror LOL :D

[428SCJ]

So how long will this go on before HPP files a mechanics lien against the car?

[Lyn]

I like popcorn :D

Lyn

[mellowyellow02]

I like it too...


















































In my Rearview mirror LOL :DHe will deny it....

[mellowyellow02]

I like popcorn :D

LynI like 36D girls.... :D

[Limpyd77]

http://www.dfwss.org/board/images/smiles/happy1.gif

[Turbo5.4]

You had your wife with you ..Brunette taller than you..You called JP (tinkrd) right after cause I called him too..
i smell a rematch... hmmm

[Turbo5.4]

I like 36D girls.... :D

me 2

[mellowyellow02]

i smell a rematch... hmmmI'm good to go...

[Turbo5.4]

I'm good to go...


fred.....

[Andrew]

melloyellow, you are a fucking idiot, I've only been beat by one z06, so I dunno what the fuck you are talking about...

You haven't raced mine yet!