For the next cruise.....

[turbostang]

I want to always improve on the 'cruise and I had consistent complaints on people wanting more TNT so - I've made the decision to remove one of the classes - Just as I say every time... "there isn't enough time."

There are a LOT of us who just want to test and tune and don't get much of an opportunity to do so. There are a lot of us who want to race in a class but don't have 4 or 5 second cars.

Before anyone asks - the brackets will be the only UNTOUCHED class. Rules will stand. This is the only class EVERYONE can get in.

Tentatively - I'm going to combine KODFWS and OPEN STREET. At this cruise the winner Open Street and KODFWS were only .2 apart. I'll work on something for the rules where it will be fair for everyone - and we'll go from there.

(I know there were quite a few cars in open street that didn't have DOT's and I let them get by this time - with the "new" class change. It most likely won't have tire restrictions.)

I'm open for suggestions - but it can't get to complicated due to time constraints.

I'll probably keep something for the bikes as well. They don't take hardly any time and are much easier to hotlap if needed. Thier rounds were damn near 2:1 to the cars.

[Sergio]

I'm open for suggestions - but it can't get to complicated due to time constraints.


personally i think KODFW should stay too... an all out/anything goes race for bragging rights until the next cruise. thats all it should be IMHO. i was one that felt like the events took up alot of the time, but i still had a blast and would still attend if it didnt change.

[JamesB]

instead of ending at 5pm end at 7pm

[mikeb]

Is there a problem with too many non-members showing up? I know it would not be popular to make people people pre-register or otherwise prove membership but on the other hand sitting in the staging lanes for a long time and only getting to make a couple of passes is worse. Is this a problem that needs solving at this point?

[Juiced4V]

only street cars.....no bikes...

[turbostang]

I don't think there was too much of a non-member issue. There were just that many people there. There were 4 total classes. KODFWS, OPEN STREET, BRACKETS, and BIKES.

The bikes were a spur of the moment thing. They hot lapped and got done pretty quick. They were never a problem. The good thing about them is that they have the ability to hotlap and not have problems - most of the fast cars can't do that.

There were only a handful of KODFWS cars and a bunch of Open STreet cars. I think taking one of the classes away will allow for more TNT and grudge races. I just have to think of something to "level" the playing field for everyone that decideds to run that class. Brackets won't change.

Part of the time constraint problem was some of the cars couldn't make the call for the semi's which took a little bit of extra time. Once the schedule I set up got kicked off - the staff of TXR took over. I just came on the p.a. periodically to give away stuff. :D

only street cars.....no bikes...

We have a ton of members with bikes and members with race cars.. that can't happen.

[SEB]

I think 3 classe's would be good.

KOFDFWSTANGS Combined with Openstreet as you said

I would like to see a STREET CAR CLASS DOT Radials, (NO ET STREETS) radials Only.

Brackets Class for everyone.....

More Grudge Racing & make a lane just for Grudge matchs. ;)

[Juiced4V]

We have a ton of members with bikes and members with race cars.. that can't happen.[/QUOTE]


I know that....just a suggestion....

[mikeb]

instead of ending at 5pm end at 7pm

or start earlier.

[turbostang]

I think 3 classe's would be good.

KOFDFWSTANGS Combined with Openstreet as you said

I would like to see a STREET CAR CLASS DOT Radials, (NO ET STREETS) radials Only.

Brackets Class for everyone.....

More Grudge Racing & make a lane just for Grudge matchs. ;)

3 classes is what we had this time, not counting the bikes. 3 is just too much for the time we get. The street car class was "open street" - Miguel won this one. He drove from North FTW, ran several 5.9x passes and drove it home. That's a street car!

The tire rule won't stick.

KODFWS / Open street will get combined in some form or fashion - like I said, I just need to come up with some "good" rules.

I like the idea of grudge races in a single lane. That would probably be great.

or start earlier.

Hell, I couldn't get people to meet at IHOP early enough to eat breakfast (8:00) - I doubt those lazy bumbs can get up early enough to race :D

[AL P]

Here is the thing...it doesn't matter who you ask, they are going to want a class that is tailored to their car. Don't get bogged down in that or hell before you know it we will have a small block, no power adder, 10" tire, blah blah blah class. They run that all the time at other venues and to be honest not a lot of people care about that sort of crap.

IMO this event was pretty damn good (and kudos to you for that) so I'd say you are on the right track by combining the faster classes and making it a little more simple. Simple always works. Simple means you will get people to attend. The idea of this thing has never been to have any sort of classes at all, it has always been for fun and for match racing. Granted, the king of DFWstangs class is almost a necessity, as are the bikes but beyond that I'd say it should pretty much be a free for all. Even brackets are cool but hell if you aren't running brackets you really could churn through the fun and grudge cars with an occasional stop to run bikes and the King classes.

[mikeb]

Hell, I couldn't get people to meet at IHOP early enough to eat breakfast (8:00) - I doubt those lazy bumbs can get up early enough to race :D

lol.... they were probably still drunk from the night before :eek: :D

When I ran at the PSN they opened the gates at 8am. It was a bitch getting loaded and all the way down to ennis by then.

[STROKD]

Will you let me race with a 6 point? I don't want a full blown cage to jungle gym everytime I drive the f-in car and bang my head on the cross bars by the windows. :(

[usmcluke]

I was there and thought everything went fairly smooth from a spectators persective but the long wait for the Open Street (I think) cars really killed things. I say all you need is KODFW, Grudge, Bikes, and open earlier for those that need it to TNT. If they want to bracket they can go to just about any track any weekend. I thought the point was to find a good match up on the board, talk some shit, show up to the cruise, and run em. This a great place for cars to run eachother that won't get to anyway else. JMHO.

[turbostang]

Will you let me race with a 6 point? I don't want a full blown cage to jungle gym everytime I drive the f-in car and bang my head on the cross bars by the windows. :(


Matt, It's not my decision if you race or not. If the car is legal or resembles legal you'll get at least one pass in. If you go faster than a 6.39 then NO, you wont get another pass.

You bring this up EVERY time wheter or not it's a cruise, just another day at the track or whatever.

It's a safety rule that EVERY one has to abide by. Not ever "violater" gets caught unfortunately. I don't understand the problem with putting a cage in your car. I don't care if it's a VW bug - if it runs fast enough to need the safety equipment, then it should have it. End of story.

I can't understand why you have a 750 RWHP car with T Tops (?), run at a dragstrip, and not have the PROPER safety equipment!

[turbostang]

I was there and thought everything went fairly smooth from a spectators persective but the long wait for the Open Street (I think) cars really killed things. I say all you need is KODFW, Grudge, Bikes, and open earlier for those that need it to TNT. If they want to bracket they can go to just about any track any weekend. I thought the point was to find a good match up on the board, talk some shit, show up to the cruise, and run em. This a great place for cars to run eachother that won't get to anyway else. JMHO.


Noted. Thanks for the suggestion.

[Sergio]

IMO this event was pretty damn good (and kudos to you for that) so I'd say you are on the right track by combining the faster classes and making it a little more simple. Simple always works. Simple means you will get people to attend. The idea of this thing has never been to have any sort of classes at all, it has always been for fun and for match racing. Granted, the king of DFWstangs class is almost a necessity, as are the bikes but beyond that I'd say it should pretty much be a free for all. Even brackets are cool but hell if you aren't running brackets you really could churn through the fun and grudge cars with an occasional stop to run bikes and the King classes.

i agree 100%

[JamesB]

I can't understand why you have a 750 RWHP car with T Tops (?), run at a dragstrip, and not have the PROPER safety equipment!

because people think they are bullet proof, expecially men!

I could make him a 6pt like I did in Manny's and you could not even see it, and the door bars would be completely removable, completely non-obtrusive. The offer has been handed out before.

[TINKRD]

Will you let me race with a 6 point? I don't want a full blown cage to jungle gym everytime I drive the f-in car and bang my head on the cross bars by the windows. :(


go bust some 6.39's first buttercup before asking if you need a 10pt.

[grove rat]

go bust some 6.39's first buttercup before asking if you need a 10pt.

:eek:

[Slow Five-O]

i agree 100%

x2

[TINKRD]

:eek:

i'm not trying to start shit. Matt always talks about safety equipment, but i've never seen the times to back it up.

i suppose its all based on bench calculations.

[Nate]

I don't know why everyone was bitching about limited passes...John made 3 passes in my car in a total of about 30 mins.

The brackets take to long because of the car count in my opinion. But I know that class will stay. Maybe move the dial in down to at least a 9.0 or 9.5 to get the slow cars out even more.

[Sergio]

i'm not trying to start shit. Matt always talks about safety equipment, but i've never seen the times to back it up.

i suppose its all based on bench calculations.

i thought it wasnt based solely on ETs but MPH too. :confused:

[dan03mach]

Noted. Thanks for the suggestion.I 2nd this.. KODFWS, Bikes, and grude matches is all that needs to be ran.. And if they can have the track ready to be ran at the said time instead of almost 12:00 when the gates opend at 10:00...

[dan03mach]

because people think they are bullet proof, expecially men!

I could make him a 6pt like I did in Manny's and you could not even see it, and the door bars would be completely removable, completely non-obtrusive. The offer has been handed out before.
PM me a quote on building a Cage for the Mach JamesB...

[Da Prez]

matt's car make good power, but I doubt he will run faster than a 6.3... get a 6 point matt and go race...

[Cmarsh93z]

matt's car make good power, but I doubt he will run faster than a 6.3... get a 6 point matt and go race...

Or he can just talk about it for another year ;)

[SEB]

3 classes is what we had this time, not counting the bikes. 3 is just too much for the time we get. The street car class was "open street" - Miguel won this one. He drove from North FTW, ran several 5.9x passes and drove it home. That's a street car!

The tire rule won't stick.

KODFWS / Open street will get combined in some form or fashion - like I said, I just need to come up with some "good" rules.

I like the idea of grudge races in a single lane. That would probably be great.



Hell, I couldn't get people to meet at IHOP early enough to eat breakfast (8:00) - I doubt those lazy bumbs can get up early enough to race :D


I love IHOP,,,, I will come if it's not halfway across the metroplex from mesquite for me. ;)

[SEB]

I 2nd this.. KODFWS, Bikes, and grude matches is all that needs to be ran.. And if they can have the track ready to be ran at the said time instead of almost 12:00 when the gates opend at 10:00...


x2 we didn't start racing till almost 12, gates should open at 9 & racing start at 10

[turbostang]

I 2nd this.. KODFWS, Bikes, and grude matches is all that needs to be ran.. And if they can have the track ready to be ran at the said time instead of almost 12:00 when the gates opend at 10:00...


Well - in all honesty - I asked for the gates to open at 10:00. Staging lanes at 11:00 and the parade at 11:30. 10-15 minutes of cars going down the track leaves us at about 11:45 and 15 more minutes of cleanup on the track put us at 12:00.

Of course we have the options to remove the parade, "cleanup" classes, and so on but we'll never know what works and what doesn't work until we try it!

I love IHOP,,,, I will come if it's not halfway across the metroplex from mesquite for me. ;)

You go to SQR don't you? This Ihop is about 4 minutes from thier shop ;)

x2 we didn't start racing till almost 12, gates should open at 9 & racing start at 10

We had the gates opened long before 10:00 and when I got there - there was less than a dozen cars there.

[ScottEvil]

I like the idea of KODFWS, bikes and fun&grudge.

[Labora]

More TNT/Fun n Grudge and there was more then a few gaps between the classes when that could have been going on but nobody at all was going down the track. :(

The lanes where kind of a cluster fuck at times too. Is there no way to have 1 lane for each class and then the rest be TnT?

[orangegt]

Yeah I think if there is rules then they should stick. We brought a car to run the street class and there was no point. Could have run a lot faster if you could run a full slick. Slowed the car down to run an ET Street. Could of been right with the fastest car entered. I guess since it was free to enter though it doesnt really matter. I still had fun.

[turbostang]

The gaps in between the classes are semi-normal. The computer had to be changed every time a different class comes to run.

-Like I mentioned many times before... We started out with this event with NOTHING. Never got more than a trophy. Now we've probably doubled the turnout, We pay back 3 places in EVERY class. Now we've had 50/50 tickets. There's something for the kids. There's something for the spectators. EVERYONE gets something or other.

We will NEVER know if something works and if something doesn't work unitl we try it to see. That is just what we've done.

[ZipZ28]

This was the first DFWStangs event or GTG that I've attended and my hat's off to all who helped get it together, it has to be a major headache! My wife and I had a great time and met some really nice people (special thanks to Oldman&Moody :D ). However it's set up next year I plan on being there :D

[STIME]

good job on the event brooks thouught it went very well. but damn who in the hell gave you the mic.LOL

[halo/horns]

go bust some 6.39's first buttercup before asking if you need a 10pt.


:eek: buttercup. lol

[CobraChic]

If you combine two middle size classes you are going to just make one big class.... and that one big class will take just as much time as the two middle size classes.. I think it was great exactly how it was.

[STROKD]

Matt, It's not my decision if you race or not. If the car is legal or resembles legal you'll get at least one pass in. If you go faster than a 6.39 then NO, you wont get another pass.

You bring this up EVERY time wheter or not it's a cruise, just another day at the track or whatever.

It's a safety rule that EVERY one has to abide by. Not ever "violater" gets caught unfortunately. I don't understand the problem with putting a cage in your car. I don't care if it's a VW bug - if it runs fast enough to need the safety equipment, then it should have it. End of story.

I can't understand why you have a 750 RWHP car with T Tops (?), run at a dragstrip, and not have the PROPER safety equipment!
I don't have T tops...

:D

Edit: or 750 RW! :eek: It made 638 last time on the rollers... :(

[STROKD]

matt's car make good power, but I doubt he will run faster than a 6.3... get a 6 point matt and go race...
Fuck guys its only run a fucken 6 once in its life, I just want to come pull some wheels and miss some shifts... :)

[STROKD]

because people think they are bullet proof, expecially men!

I could make him a 6pt like I did in Manny's and you could not even see it, and the door bars would be completely removable, completely non-obtrusive. The offer has been handed out before.
Thats why I asked if I could run with a 6 point... sorta trying to get that moving... ;)

[STROKD]

i'm not trying to start shit. Matt always talks about safety equipment, but i've never seen the times to back it up.

i suppose its all based on bench calculations.
The cars gone 10.7s 150 rw ago missing two gears... 10s = 10 point or better... :o

[STROKD]

Or he can just talk about it for another year ;)
Dude, ask Brooks how many times I pleaded with him to come race Sunday... it wasn't my decision to not come race. My car is sitting in the garage ready, it just doesn't have a cage. :o

[TINKRD]

The cars gone 10.7s 150 rw ago missing two gears... 10s = 10 point or better... :o

there's alot more land in the 1/4 to pick up speed. just cuz you go fast in the 1/4 doesnt always mean you go fast in the 1/8.


take the car out there. if you run consistent 6.39's or faster then worry about the cage.

untill then, dont worry about it and bang some gears

too much bench mathmatics. :cool:

[BLK306]

If you combine two middle size classes you are going to just make one big class.... and that one big class will take just as much time as the two middle size classes.. I think it was great exactly how it was.


I think C may have a pretty good point here but who knows. The only thing that kind of sucked was the staging lanes were a cluster fuck. I mean when you have the lanes backed up to the snack stand it is getting a little excessive. If you can find a better way to streamline everyone in the lanes so it does not back up so bad that would be great. Other than that great job Brooks!

[Nate]

If the 6 sec cars know they won't be competitive for KODFWstangs...why would they try and compete in the class though?

[bsharer]

I say the ONLY change needs to be more time. Everything else was perfect. If we could open up the gates at 6am, race at 7am and call it a night at 10pm... it would be perfect! LOL

[Nate]

I say the ONLY change needs to be more time. Everything else was perfect. If we could open up the gates at 6am, race at 7am and call it a night at 10pm... it would be perfect! LOL
Put some gears in the car and more boost. :D

[bsharer]

Jason is wearing me out! Cam, gears, intercooler... LOL!

[Nate]

Jason is wearing me out! Cam, gears, intercooler... LOL!
LOL...bring the car up to the shop and let HIM work on it then! Hell I need to go check to see what gears I have in the garage... I know I have a set of 3.27's I can give ya (if John doesn't already have them) and I have another set of either 3.55's or 3.73's.

[turbostang]

If you combine two middle size classes you are going to just make one big class.... and that one big class will take just as much time as the two middle size classes.. I think it was great exactly how it was.

Well, I agree to some extent. However, you'll take away seperate clock setup and 1st call/ 2nd call/ 3rd call etc. That is the only place we lost some time.

I never got to make it to the staging lanes to see how bad it was, but I guess it was a ways back there! :(

I don't know about more time for us for 2 reasons. Most everyone petered out about 4:00 - 5:00 anyways. The second reason is TXR has a "street" night, a.k.a. Ricenight @ 5:00, so they will most likely invade about that time.

I'll work with them during the off season and see what they want to do for the next one.

The cruise has been HUGE the past 2 or 3 outtings to the track. We bring TONS of people, TONS of cars, and A LOT of drama :D....

I'll check on it and see what they want to do for the next one - I might start working on a spring date as well.

good job on the event brooks thouught it went very well. but damn who in the hell gave you the mic.LOL


No one gave me the mic - I TOOK IT! :D

[fast408]

How bout keeping the classes about the same, and then having the winners in each class compete against each other for all bragging rights. The slower cars may not win, but at least they will have some fun racing heads up instead of bracket style.

[STROKD]

there's alot more land in the 1/4 to pick up speed. just cuz you go fast in the 1/4 doesnt always mean you go fast in the 1/8.


take the car out there. if you run consistent 6.39's or faster then worry about the cage.

untill then, dont worry about it and bang some gears

too much bench mathmatics. :cool:
JP, I was politely told not to race regardelss of my times... thanks. :rolleyes:

There was no "bench mathematics" involved in me not showing up Sunday.

[musclestang89]

for the next cruise I want to race, thats the only change I would like to see :D

[Tangstang]

for the next cruise I want to race, thats the only change I would like to see :D
Hope you make it.

[halo/horns]

I had no idea when I could run and when I couldn't. Ended up getting stuck in the staging lanes for over an hour... (I had good company though).

I can't wait to see the video! I thought that was a really cool idea and the track didn't seem bad off afterwards. If you told me to be there at 10 for the parade I'd be there at 9:50ish :D

[JamesB]

For the lanes, alot of confusion could have been cleared up by letting everyone know upfront what lanes to be in. YOu coul dedicate lane assignments before the race. post them up on the boards:

lane 1: bikes only
lane 2,3: TNT, grudge racing
lane 5....

You could also get some cones/markers that are labeled at the end on the lanes, to assign lanes, "TNT", "Brackets/Head Up", "Bikes",etc... Orange cones are always free ;)


TNT lanes needs at least 3 lanes, thats why the lanes where backed up past the restrooms. 2 lanes for all those cars backs up pretty quickly.

[Futurama]

the only thing that needs to change is the parade in my opinion. the tracked opened at 10 but barely any cars if any didnt get to race till after 12 because of all the complications with the parade.

if that event is deleted that would give all the TestNtune/grudge race guys 2 more hours to race. just my thoughts.

[mikeb]

JP, I was politely told not to race regardelss of my times... thanks. :rolleyes:


Matt - I think that the problem is that everyone knows the power your ride puts out based on the posts we've all seen over the years :cool: . NHRA mandates a rollbar at 11.99 (1/4) and I think 7.49 on a 1/8 track (http://www.nhra.com/contacts/tech_faq.html) and k-dale goes by NHRA rules (http://www.texasraceway.com/Events/bracketracing/rules.htm see #3).

Even my decrepit old primered pontiac can go 7.3x on occasion in a much heavier car making ~400hp. Yours has a much greater potential.

At some point ya gotta decide to put in the safety stuff or simply not race. I think that is the message being sent here.

I understand not wanting to ruin an interior with a cage, but then again we'd all like to see you survive anything unfortunate that might happen.

Maybe the solution is for you to put together a car that is race only with the required safety stuff, and then have a ball with it.

[Andrew]

JP, I was politely told not to race regardelss of my times... thanks. :rolleyes:

There was no "bench mathematics" involved in me not showing up Sunday.

Put a 6 point in it, go out and run some 6.40's, end of story.

All it takes is money!

[Zfan]

Fun and grudge is what it is all about. We all talk smack and then it's hard to get a run in. Call outs and fun and grudge, brackets and King of DFW Stangs would be great.. Oh and the motorcyles too!

Had fun by the way!

Thank You for the great event!

[turbostang]

Matt - I think that the problem is that everyone knows the power your ride puts out based on the posts we've all seen over the years :cool: . NHRA mandates a rollbar at 11.99 (1/4) and I think 7.49 on a 1/8 track (http://www.nhra.com/contacts/tech_faq.html) and k-dale goes by NHRA rules (http://www.texasraceway.com/Events/bracketracing/rules.htm see #3).

Even my decrepit old primered pontiac can go 7.3x on occasion in a much heavier car making ~400hp. Yours has a much greater potential.

At some point ya gotta decide to put in the safety stuff or simply not race. I think that is the message being sent here.

I understand not wanting to ruin an interior with a cage, but then again we'd all like to see you survive anything unfortunate that might happen.

Maybe the solution is for you to put together a car that is race only with the required safety stuff, and then have a ball with it.

Thank You for posting the common sense side of it!

Put a 6 point in it, go out and run some 6.40's, end of story.

All it takes is money!

Exactly, This is what I tried to get across to him. I was not trying to be rude or an asshole. We all know what his car can run - I've seen the car sideways at half track on the big n littles too. With the power that car makes it should easily run low 6's. Having said that - I didn't want to see it go bouncing off the guardrails with out a cage it it. It only takes once.
Having said all of that - I am sure there were cars out there that didn't meet all of the safety requirements that got through and did race. Some of them made one pass - some of them made more. I personally had 5 or 6 cars checked for safety stuff... from jackets to cages. I think a few of them didn't get to come back.


Fun and grudge is what it is all about. We all talk smack and then it's hard to get a run in. Call outs and fun and grudge, brackets and King of DFW Stangs would be great.. Oh and the motorcyles too!

Had fun by the way!

Thank You for the great event!

Glad to see you made it out again - I love that car man!

[propellerhead]

We could also do a swap meet. Designate a section for people to bring parts to sell or trade.

[turbostang]

We could also do a swap meet. Designate a section for people to bring parts to sell or trade.


Good idea Renan - That won't take any time or need any attention. I don't see why we can't do that.

[Lason]

We could also do a swap meet. Designate a section for people to bring parts to sell or trade.

Very good idea! I love swap meets :D

[momo stallion]

id just put the swap meet on the other side of the track (the non pit side) since it's already packed.

[propellerhead]

The only problem with a swap meet is someone has to watch/sell your stuff, which means you won't be racing.

[usmcluke]

The only problem with a swap meet is someone has to watch/sell your stuff, which means you won't be racing.
Thats was SOs are for. Make your wife/GF do it. :D

[propellerhead]

Maybe people can pair up and take turns. Or it could be run like a neighborhood garage sale. Everything is marked with the price and a few volunteers could run the "store".

[Futurama]

Thats was SOs are for. Make your wife/GF do it. :D
shit, you would never get you money then.

[93WHITELXCOUPE]

shit, you would never get you money then.


That's what I was thinking. If your wife or S/O is watching and selling the parts, one is not likely to get all the money made on the parts. (Kind of like leaving the Messican or Black guy in charge of the store while you're out.) :eek: :D "Naw boss man, I didn't sell anything while you were out! ;)

[Futurama]

That's what I was thinking. If your wife or S/O is watching and selling the parts, one is not likely to get all the money made on the parts. (Kind of like leaving the Messican or Black guy in charge of the store while you're out.) :eek: :D "Naw boss man, I didn't sell anything while you were out! ;)

LMFAO @ this coming from a brown guy.