Bears vs Arizona MNF thread

[unkoricky]

Tommie Harris will lead that Chicago Defense...
I want Leinart to do good, but that Defense is going to destroy him(jinx?)

[Skidonenko]

im just glad that when i say GO Bears!!! they have a chance

[unkoricky]

wow Leinart 5-5 ,46 yards on his 1st drive, TD pass to Bryant Johnson.

1st TD Bears have allowed all season in the 1st QT

That Bears Defense looked pretty average compared to all the praise they've been getting..

[def1eppard]

The Bears looked SLOW. And I think they were being stupid trying to do flashy hits instead of going for tackles.

[Grant]

Go VINCE YOUNG!!

[def1eppard]

Go VINCE YOUNG!!

Yeah, he's got some good stats in this game! And he's actually earning the win because he touches the ball the most! Or something like that.

[def1eppard]

This isn't good! The Bears need to get down the field, then get TONS of field goals by Robbie Gould!

[unkoricky]

Go VINCE YOUNG!!
Go ......uh... Jerry Rice, did you see him get that INT on Grossman.......

[Skidonenko]

Guess i spoke too soon http://www.dfwstangs.net/forums/images/smilies/redface.gif

[def1eppard]

Guess i spoke too soon http://www.dfwstangs.net/forums/images/smilies/redface.gif

Haha! Jinx!

[unkoricky]

:p
Nice Helmet..
http://img85.imageshack.us/img85/2314/lv09zp1.jpg

[unkoricky]

svtvenom is going to raise hell when he sees this thread with Leinart doing so good..

2 Early TD's against "the best Defense in the NFL"

[Grant]

The only reason Leinart is doing so well, is because he called Vince for advice before the game.

[unkoricky]

yes, just what i wanted...Charles Barkley to help commentate.. :mad:

[def1eppard]

Wow, Rex is looking gross....man. 2 INTs, and 2 fumbles lost that looked identical.

[unkoricky]

AZ Defense has dominated this game...Suprised the whole World.

[Yellowstang]

Holy crap, that's all I can say. Not a fan of either team, but go Card's!

[01-GATOR]

the bears are playing like shit tonight

[momo stallion]

:p
Nice Helmet..
http://img85.imageshack.us/img85/2314/lv09zp1.jpg


this dude is gonna have a broken face if he gets tackled.

[Beto_GTZ]

Passing CP-AT YDS TD INT RTG
Rex Grossman 7-15 57 0 2 17.2

Passing CP-AT YDS TD INT RTG
Matt Leinart 13-18 125 2 0 128.2

Ain't that some shit!

[Hollywood]

A certain someone is probably vomitting he's so upset right now.

[Grant]

I'm sure he's going to blame Leinart on that fumble, too..

[Geor!]

A certain someone is probably vomitting he's so upset right now.
SVTV_n_m?

Care to buy a vowel?

[Hollywood]

SVTV_n_m?

Care to buy a vowel?

No Geof, I think i'm ready to solve the puzzle. SVTvenom?

[unkoricky]

SVTV_n_m?

Care to buy a vowel?
I'll buy an E

[def1eppard]

And to think....during the pregame show everyone was predicting that Leinart would be so banged up he would need immediate shoulder treatment from Dr. Roy.

[unkoricky]

haha wholy shit what a game...Hester with the punt return...

[slow99]

HOLY SHIT, what a game!

[SVTVenom]

Ha. Someone spoke too soon.

[unkoricky]

poor leinart, he's going to have to really step up his game on this last series..

I think i smell INT coming just cause hes a Rookie with too much pressure on him.

[def1eppard]

haha wholy shit what a game...Hester with the punt return...

Pete

HOLY SHIT, what a game!

And Re-pete!

[unkoricky]

Ha. Someone spoke too soon.
so glad to see you AFTER Chicago takes the lead :p

[SVTVenom]

so glad to see you AFTER Chicago takes the lead :p

<---- Has Chicago's 'D' on Fantasy Team and is happy despite the points given up.

[unkoricky]

<---- Has Chicago's 'D' on Fantasy Team and is happy despite the points given up.
i have the colts on Defense....They racked me up a whoppin 0 points this week :D

[turboten5]

should havent ever been a stripped ball forward progress was stopped whistle should have blown complete BS

[unkoricky]

so svtvenom, whats your thoughts on that last drive / the entire game For Leinart?

[SVTVenom]

so svtvenom, whats your thoughts on that last drive / the entire game For Leinart?

He had a good 1st half of course, but its been the tale of two halves because he didn't do much in the 2nd half.


HAHAHAHAHAHAHA RACKERS MISSES!!!!!

[That_Is_My_El_Camino]

Ouch.

[unkoricky]

what a comeback for the Bears ... :p Rex threw what, 4 INTS?

Wow :D

[Pro Trash]

Yes Yes Yes the Bears win!

[unkoricky]

He had a good 1st half of course, but its been the tale of two halves because he didn't do much in the 2nd half.


HAHAHAHAHAHAHA RACKERS MISSES!!!!!
I think he played great in both halves..but of course it was alot better in the 1st half..

He was pretty poised on that last series when he took the ball down the field..
Actually did look like he's been in the league for a while..

[SVTVenom]

what a comeback for the Bears ... :p Rex threw what, 4 INTS?

Wow :D

6 turnovers and they still won.

[01-GATOR]

dam what a fucking game, bears defense did their job that last quarter

[Da Prez]

dam, i sure didnt see this game ending this way...

[SVTVenom]

I think he played great in both halves..but of course it was alot better in the 1st half..

He was pretty poised on that last series when he took the ball down the field..
Actually did look like he's been in the league for a while..

Good yardage and TD's, but the completion percentage wasn't that great @ 57.1%

[def1eppard]

Jesus Christ can we all just admit Leinart played a good game. It wasn't his fault they lost. Bears are looking overrated though.

[SVTVenom]

Jesus Christ can we all just admit Leinart played a good game. It wasn't his fault they lost. Bears are looking overrated though.

Uhhh, he did turn it over on a sack/fumble which led directly to a Chicago TD and put the Bears back in the game.

[unkoricky]

Good yardage and TD's, but the completion percentage wasn't that great @ 57.1%
blah, dont really care about the stats in this game.
The kid can ball in the big league, especially against the #1 Defense in the NFL.

[Grant]

That wasn't his fault, all the announcers said the same thing. His line screwed him on that play - Vince would have done the same thing, it was only like a 3 step drop and he was already going to pass.

[SVTVenom]

blah, dont really care about the stats in this game.
The kid can ball in the big league, especially against the #1 Defense in the NFL.

He might be able to get it to Boldin and let him do his thing, but he still lost.

[unkoricky]

Uhhh, he did turn it over on a sack/fumble which led directly to a Chicago TD and put the Bears back in the game.
haha..i was about to just post and say thank you for taking off your orange burnt glasses for admiting leinart played a good game..

Can you really blame Leinart for that fumble ?

[SVTVenom]

That wasn't his fault, all the announcers said the same thing. His line screwed him on that play - Vince would have done the same thing, it was only like a 3 step drop and he was already going to pass.

You don't know that. That is your opinion. Leinart doesn't have the mobiliy/escape-ability that VY has.

[Grant]

Matt Leinart 24/42 232 5.5 2 0 57% against 1st ranked Defense.
Team 24/42 220 5.2 2 0

Vince Young 13/25 161 6.4 1 0 52% against, well, the Redskins...
Team 13/25 161 6.4 1

[SVTVenom]

haha..i was about to just post and say thank you for taking off your orange burnt glasses for admiting leinart played a good game..

Can you really blame Leinart for that fumble ?

Warner fans could be saying the same thing.

[davidaustin]

this thread needs more Vince Young...

[Grant]

You don't know that. That is your opinion. Leinart doesn't have the mobiliy/escape-ability that VY has.

He would of escaped a 3 step drop, with his back turned to the rusher, within the same time span that Leinart had?

If you blame that fumble on Leinart, then you really know nothing about football.

[unkoricky]

this thread needs more Vince Young...
VY's Wife (svtvenom) is about to get it started, oh dont worry :D

[SVTVenom]

Matt Leinart 24/42 232 5.5 2 0 57% against 1st ranked Defense.
Team 24/42 220 5.2 2 0

Vince Young 13/25 161 6.4 1 0 52% against, well, the Redskins...
Team 13/25 161 6.4 1

Yeah, Matt Leinart also has the best pass blocking RB in the league in Edge and one of the best WR's in the league in Boldin too.

[SVTVenom]

He would of escaped a 3 step drop, with his back turned to the rusher, within the same time span that Leinart had?

If you blame that fumble on Leinart, then you really know nothing about football.

Plenty of QB's hang on to the ball despite getting hit from the blindside. Face it, he coughed it up and partially cost his team the game.

[unkoricky]

He would of escaped a 3 step drop, with his back turned to the rusher, within the same time span that Leinart had?

If you blame that fumble on Leinart, then you really know nothing about football.
haha.. i seriously doubt venom has even played a sport before...

And your right, 3 step drop from his blindside with a DE coming UNBLOCKED..

Even if you had Vick at QB he wouldnt have been able to escape it..

Yeah, Matt Leinart also has the best pass blocking RB in the league in Edge and one of the best WR's in the league in Boldin too.
haha you knew that was coming too.....ITs cause of his players and not him.

[Grant]

this thread needs more Vince Young...

Nah, just more asterisks.

[slow99]

damn, great game. how the hell has this turned into a young/leinart pissing match?

[Grant]

Yeah, Matt Leinart also has the best pass blocking RB in the league in Edge and one of the best WR's in the league in Boldin too.

Too bad he couldn't be one of the best RB's at not fumbling...

[SVTVenom]

haha.. i seriously doubt venom has even played a sport before...

And your right, 3 step drop from his blindside with a DE coming UNBLOCKED..

Even if you had Vick at QB he wouldnt have been able to escape it..


haha you knew that was coming too.....ITs cause of his players and not him.

So are you saying that neither of those players or Fitzgerald, when he comes back, has any bearing on how Leinart will do?

If so, I'd love to see Peyton Manning put up the #'s he does with Drew Bennett and Roydell Williams.

[SVTVenom]

Too bad he couldn't be one of the best RB's at not fumbling...

Thats the first time he has fumbled in over a year's worth of gameplay.

[Pro Trash]

I think Leinart was fucking scary good tonight, he drove the field even after the Bears took the lead by one in the 4th. Leinart just needs a few better players around him and the Cardinals will be one of the best teams in the league. I look for Lienart to be a franchise QB, hands down he showed up with 24-42, 232 yards and 2 TD's. Leinart was on fire tonight but like Monday Night Football shows us time and time again, it ain't over until it is OVER!

[SVTVenom]

I think Leinart was fucking scary good tonight, he drove the field even after the Bears took the lead by one in the 4th. Leinart just needs a few better players around him and the Cardinals will be one of the best teams in the league. I look for Lienart to be a franchise QB, hands down he showed up with 24-42, 232 yards and 2 TD's. Leinart was on fire tonight but like Monday Night Football shows us time and time again, it ain't over until it is OVER!

Having James, Boldin, and Fitzgerald (When he comes back), of course he's going to put up #'s. Those 2 WR's made a has-been Kurt Warner look good.

[Pro Trash]

Thats the first time he has fumbled in over a year's worth of gameplay.


http://img147.imageshack.us/img147/9048/stfuaskdi6.jpg

[SVTVenom]

http://img147.imageshack.us/img147/9048/stfuaskdi6.jpg

Leave it to an Aggie to agree with someone that says Edgerrin James sucks now, seeing as how he averaged over 96 yards a game from 2003-2004 and over 100 yards a game in 2005.

Get a clue. James is the best all around back in the league, period.

[Grant]

He might be able to get it to Boldin and let him do his thing, but he still lost.

So - it has nothing to do with what Leinart can do, just what his receivers do?

So, what's your argument for Young, then?

[unkoricky]

If so, I'd love to see Peyton Manning put up the #'s he does with Drew Bennett and Roydell Williams.

Explain to me how Donavan McNabb /2 NFC Championship games & went to the Probowl when he had no superstars on his squad?

What about Tom Brady winning 2 Superbowls when he had absolutely no Probowl WR/RB/TEs? (yes i know he won 3, but he had a probowl RB with his 3rd)


A Great QB is more important then having Great WR's/RB Duo.

Stop assuming cause you have good WR & RB that you are suppose to do good..

When Leinart does good = You say cause of his WR/RB
When VY does bad = you claim cause he has no RB/WRs

[SVTVenom]

So - it has nothing to do with what Leinart can do, just what his receivers do?

So, what's your argument for Young, then?

Dude, go look at Boldin's YAC once everything is stat'd up.

Young's argument is that he has the same crappy line that Leinart has, but Leinart's WR's and RB are PRO BOWL players while Young's are a bunch of nobodies save for Bennett and an over-the-hill Givens.

[Yellowstang]

dam, i sure didnt see this game ending this way...


Wonder how much money Vegas lost on this game? :eek:

[Grant]

Get a clue. James is the best all around back in the league, period.

HAHAHHAHAHAHAH

Total Touchdowns this year:

1 LaDainian Tomlinson SD 7 7 0 0 0

2 Torry Holt STL 7 0 7 0 0

3 Brian Westbrook PHI 6 4 2 0 0 (injured 1 game)

Edge doesn't make the top 30, as per NFL.com

Total Rushing this year:

Edge not in top 30.

Receiving yards this year:

Edge not in top 30.


He's definitely the best all-around RB there is!!!

[SVTVenom]

Explain to me how Donavan McNabb /2 NFC Championship games & went to the Probowl when he had no superstars on his squad?

What about Tom Brady winning 2 Superbowls when he had absolutely no Probowl WR/RB/TEs? (yes i know he won 3, but he had a probowl RB with his 3rd)


A Great QB is more important then having Great WR's/RB Duo.

Stop assuming cause you have good WR & RB that you are suppose to do good..

When Leinart does good = You say cause of his WR/RB
When VY does bad = you claim cause he has no RB/WRs

No superstars? I believe Westbrook is a superstar. Thats pretty much what his team is based on, screens to Westbrook.

He also had T.O. for 1-1/2 years too.

Tom Brady had a Pro Bowl defense on the other side and a Pro Bowl kicker to help him win.

[unkoricky]

Originally Posted by SVTVenom
Get a clue. James is the best all around back in the league, period.

yes it has showed all season :p

[SVTVenom]

HAHAHHAHAHAHAH

Total Touchdowns this year:

1 LaDainian Tomlinson SD 7 7 0 0 0

2 Torry Holt STL 7 0 7 0 0

3 Brian Westbrook PHI 6 4 2 0 0 (injured 1 game)

Edge doesn't make the top 30, as per NFL.com

Total Rushing this year:

Edge not in top 30.

Receiving yards this year:

Edge not in top 30.


He's definitely the best all-around RB there is!!!

Look at the line he has now and what he had last year. That is the difference.

You put him back on the Colts, his #'s go right back to where they were.

You take LT off the Chargers and put him on the 49'ers, his #'s will go down too.

James took the big payday and his #'s are suffering because of the line he has blocking for him.

[unkoricky]

No superstars? I believe Westbrook is a superstar. Thats pretty much what his team is based on, screens to Westbrook.

He also had T.O. for 1-1/2 years too.

Tom Brady had a Pro Bowl defense on the other side and a Pro Bowl kicker to help him win.
As you notice, i said Mcnabb and 2 NFC Championship games
(cough cough, Prior to the TO ERA)

[JimD]

Good Gawd they suck!

[unkoricky]

Look at the line he has now and what he had last year. That is the difference.

You put him back on the Colts, his #'s go right back to where they were.

You take LT off the Chargers and put him on the 49'ers, his #'s will go down too.
So thats like saying you put VY on the Colts & he will have Peyton Manning stats..

You put Peyton on the Titans and they will still suck?

[Grant]

Dude, go look at Boldin's YAC once everything is stat'd up.

Young's argument is that he has the same crappy line that Leinart has, but Leinart's WR's and RB are PRO BOWL players while Young's are a bunch of nobodies save for Bennett and an over-the-hill Givens.

Rushing Yards - YTD, not including todays game, I assume:

Travis Henry TEN 383 81 4.7 3 23

Edgerrin James ARI 343 112 3.1 2 14

Rushing TD'S - YTD:

Travis Henry - 3 TD's

Edgerrin James - 2 TD's

But WAIT - I thought Leinart had a better RB??!?!?!

[SVTVenom]

As you notice, i said Mcnabb and 2 NFC Championship games
(cough cough, Prior to the TO ERA)

L.J. Smith is Pro Bowl caliber as well.

[SVTVenom]

Rushing Yards - YTD, not including todays game, I assume:

Travis Henry TEN 383 81 4.7 3 23

Edgerrin James ARI 343 112 3.1 2 14

Rushing TD'S - YTD:

Travis Henry - 3 TD's

Edgerrin James - 2 TD's

But WAIT - I thought Leinart had a better RB??!?!?!

If you think Travis Henry is better than Edgerrin James, you are the highest person on the planet.

177 of Travis' yards came in the last game.

Go look what James has done in his career and then go look at Henry. It isn't even close. James is a HOF back. Henry is lucky to have a job.

[unkoricky]

L.J. Smith is Pro Bowl caliber as well.
haha.... did any of them go to the probowl when Mcnabb went to those 2 NFC Championships BEFORE TO came?

What do i mean by probowl caliber? Im talkin about if they have been there.....

EJ & Marvin Harrison have been there and DONE that...

[Grant]

[QUOTE=SVTVenom]No superstars? I believe Westbrook is a superstar. Thats pretty much what his team is based on, screens to Westbrook.[QUOTE]

Idiot.

Explain how McNabb leads the league with passing yards (1849) and TD passes (13) on screens?

They also happen to have the most 20+ yard passes/TD's this season, let's chalk your sports knowledge up to "screens".

[unkoricky]

(SVT searches yahoo for stats and Opinions that he trys to turn to facts)

[Grant]

If you think Travis Henry is better than Edgerrin James, you are the highest person on the planet.

177 of Travis' yards came in the last game.

Go look what James has done in his career and then go look at Henry. It isn't even close. James is a HOF back. Henry is lucky to have a job.

You can't have it both ways, you just said that Edge was a better back and refer to stats, but they are all from years past. We're refering to NOW, between VY and Leinart, to which you said Leinart had a better RB - which is clearly not the case presently.

[SVTVenom]

haha.... did any of them go to the probowl when Mcnabb went to those 2 NFC Championships BEFORE TO came?

What do i mean by probowl caliber? Im talkin about if they have been there.....

EJ & Marvin Harrison have been there and DONE that...

http://probowl.superbowl.com/probowl/2003/roster_nfc.html

2 offensive in 2003: T - Jon Runyan and TE - Chad Lewis.

[Grant]

I just like how he's referring to seasons/stat's of the past, when he's trying to debate about this years performance of VY/Leinart.

[sonicblue]

He might be able to get it to Boldin and let him do his thing, but he still lost.
ther is no way to can put any blame on Leinart. the guy showed more poise than VY could ever muster. Leinart was passing them down the field, then denny Green in his usual shitty coaching style got chickenshit, and had leinart hand it off 2 times.
Denny Green can not win these kind of games. Why do you think he was fired from MN. he couldn't win the big games with some of the best offensive talent assembled ('98, '99). I was living in MN then. The feeling at that time was no way MN doesn't win teh Superbowl. Denny made sure they didn't even get there.
anyway, with even a halfass decent coach, AZ would have won this. And Leinart Kicked VY's ass this week, otherwise. admit it, if VY had this type of game you would be doing back flips down the street right now.
Ha ha, I'm watching that idiot geen right now, just melt done!

[SVTVenom]

You can't have it both ways, you just said that Edge was a better back and refer to stats, but they are all from years past. We're refering to NOW, between VY and Leinart, to which you said Leinart had a better RB - which is clearly not the case presently.

He might not have better stats right now, but you can have Travis Henry and I'll take Edgerrin James and beat your team any day running with equal talent offensive lines.

[unkoricky]

http://probowl.superbowl.com/probowl/2003/roster_nfc.html

2 offensive in 2003: T - Jon Runyan and TE - Chad Lewis.
:p wow.. Probowl OL..

I am talkin about WR/RB/TE..

[SVTVenom]

ther is no way to can put any blame on Leinart. the guy showed more poise than VY could ever muster. Leinart was passing them down the field, then denny Green in his usual shitty coaching style got chickenshit, and had leinart hand it off 2 times.
Denny Green can not win these kind of games. Why do you think he was fired from MN. he couldn't win the big games with some of the best offensive talent assembled ('98, '99). I was living in MN then. The feeling at that time was no way MN doesn't win teh Superbowl. Denny made sure they didn't even get there.
anyway, with even a halfass decent coach, AZ would have won this. And Leinart Kicked VY's ass this week, otherwise. admit it, if VY had this type of game you would be doing back flips down the street right now.
Ha ha, I'm watching that idiot geen right now, just melt done!

Seeing as how Young had more poise than Leinart head-to-head in probably the greatest game in college history, I'd say you are dead wrong.

[Grant]

http://probowl.superbowl.com/probowl/2003/roster_nfc.html

2 offensive in 2003: T - Jon Runyan and TE - Chad Lewis.

Which happen to be nobody that you mentioned above.

Leading TD receiver on the Eagles this year?

Reggie Brown with 4 TD's. How many Pro Bowls has he been to?

[SVTVenom]

:p wow.. Probowl OL..

I am talkin about WR/RB/TE..

Chad Lewis - TE.

[def1eppard]

Congratulations, thread. You've now been treated with the inevitable stat fucking treatment. How does it feel to have 50 billion stats shoved up your ass?

[Grant]

He might not have better stats right now, but you can have Travis Henry and I'll take Edgerrin James and beat your team any day running with equal talent offensive lines.

Is this in your 2006 SVTVenom fantasy league? Or the NFL.com stat's from the actual NFL that I'm quoting?

[unkoricky]

Seeing as how Young had more poise than Leinart head-to-head in probably the greatest game in college history, I'd say you are dead wrong.
When you run out of stats, go back and refer to college football :rolleyes:

[Grant]

You can't win against SVYTVYenom, he's a machine.

[unkoricky]

Chad Lewis - TE.
yeah im not even going to try... you just dont get it..
You can't win against SVYTVYenom, he's a machine.
a mean machine?
http://www.longestyard.com/downloads/wallpapers/bob_sapp/ly_switowski_800x600.jpg

[dogman]

Congratulations, thread. You've now been treated with the inevitable stat fucking treatment. How does it feel to have 50 billion stats shoved up your ass?


Really ... This thread is to funny ...LOL

[SVTVenom]

Is this in your 2006 SVTVenom fantasy league? Or the NFL.com stat's from the actual NFL that I'm quoting?

Keep on smoking crack then because you know James is the better back despite what the stats say. Gotta love an idiot like you that says a HOF back still in his prime sucks. :rolleyes:

[unkoricky]

Keep on smoking crack then because you know James is the better back despite what the stats say. Gotta love an idiot like you that says a HOF back still in his prime sucks. :rolleyes:
He's not saying he sucks..you just read into things too hard..

[Grant]

I never said he sucked, I'm refuting your argument of him being the best all-around back in the league.

Westbrook truly is, he's missed one game and he's gotten 4 TD's rushing and 2 receiving.

Compared to LT's 7 rushing TD's and Holt's 7 receiving.

Except, Edge, the best all-around RB, well, he isn't even in the top 30. Yep, he's the best.

[SVTVenom]

I never said he sucked, I'm refuting your argument of him being the best all-around back in the league.

Westbrook truly is, he's missed one game and he's gotten 4 TD's rushing and 2 receiving.

Compared to LT's 7 rushing TD's and Holt's 7 receiving.

Except, Edge, the best all-around RB, well, he isn't even in the top 30. Yep, he's the best.

I have no idea why you are even mentioning Holt as he is a WR and bears no relevance.

Also, one year does not make a career. Anyone with half a brain knows that James took the big payday and was going to take a hit in the stats by going to an Arizona team that sucks in just about every position except WR.

Before yesterday's game, Henry hadn't even sniffed a 100 yard game in over 2 years worth of play. James averaged over 100 yards a game last season.

[Grant]

Dude, you'll ask to compare stats, then when the stat's aren't in your favor, you reply with the ole "you can say whatever you want about the stats", but you know he's better!!

Edge is a solid RB, possibly even H.O.F due to being on a great offensive Colt's team, but he's shitty outside of his "system" he was raised in. That's what the stat's do SHOW, for 2006 - in which we are comparing your argument of whether VY or Leinart has a better supporting cast for RB's, which stat's clearly show that VY does, despite your incorrect claim.

[def1eppard]

Edge is not the best all around back in the league.

And also, it was not Leinart's fault his dumbass guy let someone just walk in and romp on him.

[SVTVenom]

Edge is not the best all around back in the league.

And also, it was not Leinart's fault his dumbass guy let someone just walk in and romp on him.

Its the job of the QB to hold onto the ball. Again, we've all seen plenty of QB's take blind-side hits and hold onto it.

[BOOSTED32V]

The kicker needs to be fired and the edge needs be let go as well, both of those clowns need to be made an example...'H'

[unkoricky]

Dude, you'll ask to compare stats, then when the stat's aren't in your favor, you reply with the ole "you can say whatever you want about the stats", but you know he's better!!

Edge is a solid RB, possibly even H.O.F due to being on a great offensive Colt's team, but he's shitty outside of his "system" he was raised in. That's what the stat's do SHOW, for 2006 - in which we are comparing your argument of whether VY or Leinart has a better supporting cast for RB's, which stat's clearly show that VY does, despite your incorrect claim.
word x2

Like i've said before, All he does is justify everything..

[def1eppard]

Its the job of the QB to hold onto the ball. Again, we've all seen plenty of QB's take blind-side hits and hold onto it.

Well, then that's fine, but it's stupid to argue that Vince wouldn't have fumbled in that situation because of his mobility. And I'm a UT fan, and I like Vince way more than Leinart.

[SVTVenom]

Dude, you'll ask to compare stats, then when the stat's aren't in your favor, you reply with the ole "you can say whatever you want about the stats", but you know he's better!!

Edge is a solid RB, possibly even H.O.F due to being on a great offensive Colt's team, but he's shitty outside of his "system" he was raised in. That's what the stat's do SHOW, for 2006 - in which we are comparing your argument of whether VY or Leinart has a better supporting cast for RB's, which stat's clearly show that VY does, despite your incorrect claim.

I'm simply saying that you need to look at more than one partial season to see what a player can do/has done.

[SVTVenom]

Well, then that's fine, but it's stupid to argue that Vince wouldn't have fumbled in that situation because of his mobility. And I'm a UT fan, and I like Vince way more than Leinart.

I'm not the one that brought VY into the discussion. Grant did. I simply stated that it was his OPINION and not FACT that VY would have fumbled as well. He doesn't know because he has no FACTS to base it upon, merely OPINION and CONJECTURE.

[That_Is_My_El_Camino]

You can't win against SVYTVYenom, he's a machine.He's dumb enough to think that he'll somehow be proven right if he keeps on arguing the same wrong point from a dozen different angles, yet he's just barely smart enough to know that we'll eventually grow tired of pointing out the same friggin' flaws in his argument over and over and over again...

[Grant]

Its the job of the QB to hold onto the ball. Again, we've all seen plenty of QB's take blind-side hits and hold onto it.

While their arm was up preparing to pass? Like who? Superman on your SVYTVYenom fantasy team?

[dogman]

On a positive note. M.Leinart's stock just went up in FFB. :D

[unkoricky]

While their arm was up preparing to pass? Like who? Superman on your SVYTVYenom fantasy team?
haha.. i actually laughed out loud when i read that..

[Grant]

I'm not the one that brought VY into the discussion. Grant did. I simply stated that it was his OPINION and not FACT that VY would have fumbled as well. He doesn't know because he has no FACTS to base it upon, merely OPINION and CONJECTURE.


Well, holy shit. Now you want to talk about facts (stats). But, I thought you just said that stat's didn't matter?

Which is it?

[SVTVenom]

While their arm was up preparing to pass? Like who? Superman on your SVYTVYenom fantasy team?

Yeah, just like in Grant's Fantasy League where the QB has no responsibility for the game when he is everyone's golden boy and loses.

We can go roundy round all night, but at the end of it:

- Leinart was sacked and fumbled, Chicago recovered, and Chicago scored a TD off of it.

- Without the Leinart sack and subsquent fumble, Chicago would not have won the game.

[unkoricky]

- Without the Leinart sack and subsquent fumble, Chicago would not have won the game.
20/20

so what if he held onto the ball and EJ fumbled on a run on the next play , Urlacer recovers and they score :rolleyes:

[SVTVenom]

Well, holy shit. Now you want to talk about facts (stats). But, I thought you just said that stat's didn't matter?

Which is it?

No moron, there is no stat to prove or disprove whether or not VY would have held onto the ball. It is your OPINION that he would have fumbed, which is based upon nothing but thin air.

[Grant]

Well, then that's fine, but it's stupid to argue that Vince wouldn't have fumbled in that situation because of his mobility. And I'm a UT fan, and I like Vince way more than Leinart.

Yeah, I'd hate to think my points are made because I dislike either TX or VY or even Leinart. I couldn't care less about all of them, it's just ridiculous to keep seeing that VY is so much better than Leinart, when the stat's (which are what matter), don't show that. Both are decent QB's, with the passing accuracy going more towards Leinart and the mobility/play-making abilities going towards VY. Both have their place in the NFL.

[SVTVenom]

20/20

Yep, but its a luxury everyone has now and its the truth.

[SVTVenom]

Yeah, I'd hate to think my points are made because I dislike either TX or VY or even Leinart. I couldn't care less about all of them, it's just ridiculous to keep seeing that VY is so much better than Leinart, when the stat's (which are what matter), don't show that. Both are decent QB's, with the passing accuracy going more towards Leinart and the mobility/play-making abilities going towards VY. Both have their place in the NFL.

I said Leinart had a good 1st half, but he didn't do much in the 2nd half and was partially responsible for letting Chicago back in the game and their winning the game.

[sonicblue]

When you run out of stats, go back and refer to college football :rolleyes:
I think he must have been dropped on his head when he was born.
where's that special olympics pic, when you need it.

[Grant]

No moron, there is no stat to prove or disprove whether or not VY would have held onto the ball. It is your OPINION that he would have, which is based upon nothing but thin air.


So, just the same when you said that Leinart had a better RB than VY for the 2006 season? Which is the only season that could matter between the 2 QB's, since it's both their rookie seasons.

I never said it wasn't my opinion (just as everyone in the world that said that it wasn't Leinarts fault, just as I would of said it wasn't VY's fault if it happened to him in the same situation) - I just say it's ridiculous (my opinion) of you, to blame Leinart for the loss due that specific fumble.

[def1eppard]

I honestly don't know how you can keep up with the arguing, having multiple arguments at once.

[SVTVenom]

So, just the same when you said that Leinart had a better RB than VY for the 2006 season? Which is the only season that could matter between the 2 QB's, since it's both their rookie seasons.

I never said it wasn't my opinion (just as everyone in the world that said that it wasn't Leinarts fault, just as I would of said it wasn't VY's fault if it happened to him in the same situation) - I just say it's ridiculous (my opinion) of you, to blame Leinart for the loss due that specific fumble.

Let me ask you this, without the sack/fumble/TD, would the Bears have been able to win that game with everything else remaining the same?

No. They had to have those 7 points to be able to win the game and he was responsible for giving up those points due to his fumble.

Yes, even Matt Leinart loses. I know VY has lost, but Leinart lovers must come to grips with it as well.

[unkoricky]

Its Leinarts fault that Rackers missed the FG after he Drove the ball down the field against the #1 Defense in the NFL.

Its Leinarts fault for not tackling Devin Hester on that Punt Return.

Its Leinarts fault for EJ fumblings the ball for a TD.

I think we can say its Leinarts fault :p

[That_Is_My_El_Camino]

I honestly don't know how you can keep up with the arguing, having multiple arguments at once.He just looks at his "Vince Young - Back to Back Rose Bowl Champion" poster for inspiration.

[SVTVenom]

Its Leinarts fault that Rackers missed the FG after he Drove the ball down the field against the #1 Defense in the NFL.

Its Leinarts fault for not tackling Devin Hester on that Punt Return.

Its Leinarts fault for EJ fumblings the ball for a TD.

I think we can say its Leinarts fault :p

You'll notice I never said it was all his fault. I merely said it was partially his fault.

Rackers definately shoulders a good amount of the blame as well.

That Cardinals offensive line sure can pass block, but they can't run block for shit to help their team run the clock out by getting 1st downs.

[Grant]

Let me ask you this, without the sack/fumble/TD, would the Bears have been able to win that game with everything else remaining the same?

No. They had to have those 7 points to be able to win the game and he was responsible for giving up those points due to his fumble.

Yes, even Matt Leinart loses. I know VY has lost, but Leinart lovers must come to grips with it as well.

Nope - never said they would.

Would the Bears still have lost if the greatest all-around RB in the history of the NFL hadn't fumbled?

The difference is you take VY's/Leinart's performance personally, I don't care for either one of them. Statistically speaking, Leinart has been the better QB so far this year.

I'm not sure if this includes tonights game or not - from NFL.com:

Matt Leinart 44 28 307 63.6 7.0 2 4.5 2 4.5 49 5/35 80.4

Vince Young 99 47 512 47.5 5.2 3 3.0 4 4.0 28 6/15 56.5

[That_Is_My_El_Camino]

What good would running out the clock have done if the kicker ended up missing the field goal anyways?

PS: I despise Leinart, but you can't blame him all that much, since they were given plenty of opportunities after the sack/fumble (not to mention he was a major factor in getting them ahead).

[SVTVenom]

Nope - never said they would.

Would the Bears still have lost if the greatest all-around RB in the history of the NFL hadn't fumbled?

The difference is you take VY's/Leinart's performance personally, I don't care for either one of them. Statistically speaking, Leinart has been the better QB so far this year.

I'm not sure if this includes tonights game or not - from NFL.com:

Matt Leinart 44 28 307 63.6 7.0 2 4.5 2 4.5 49 5/35 80.4

Vince Young 99 47 512 47.5 5.2 3 3.0 4 4.0 28 6/15 56.5

NFL.com or Yahoo does not update until the next day.

Again, I wasn't the one that brought VY into this thread. You did. I merely said your post was an OPINION which had no basis to it.

[unkoricky]

The only thing i've learned from SVT tonight and i'll look back at this all season long.


Leinart = Only does good cause he has a probowl WR / RB and he is suppose to play good...

Tho he always likes talkin about competition and Defenses.. Leinart pretty much did what other Vets havnt been able to do..Pick apart the Bears Defense as a ROOKIE.

VY = He has no talent around him...Therefore he's allowed to do bad...
And if he does Good, he can brag about him more cause of the talent and non probowl players around him...

Even tho McNabb competed in 2 NFC championship games(prior TO era) with no probowl Weapons(RB/WR) around him, Except 1 TE.

Same goes for Brady with no Probowl Weapons(RB/WR) for his 1st Two SUPERBOWLS WINS...

If you didnt get what im saying, You dont need Great Players around you to win offensivly, just a good QB and decent players around you

[SVTVenom]

Nope - never said they would.

Would the Bears still have lost if the greatest all-around RB in the history of the NFL hadn't fumbled?

The difference is you take VY's/Leinart's performance personally, I don't care for either one of them. Statistically speaking, Leinart has been the better QB so far this year.

I'm not sure if this includes tonights game or not - from NFL.com:

Matt Leinart 44 28 307 63.6 7.0 2 4.5 2 4.5 49 5/35 80.4

Vince Young 99 47 512 47.5 5.2 3 3.0 4 4.0 28 6/15 56.5

And again, I say Leinart has the better supporting cast and it is shown by who he has to hand off to and throw to.

What you are saying is that based on 2006 #'s alone, Travis Henry, Drew Bennett, and Bobby Wade are > or = to Edgerrin James, Anquan Boldin, and Larry Fitzgerald.

Honestly, look at that and see how fucking dumb that looks because that is what you are saying.

[unkoricky]

And again, I say Leinart has the better supporting cast and it is shown by who he has to hand off to and throw to.

What you are saying is that based on 2006 #'s alone, Travis Henry, Drew Bennett, and Bobby Wade are > or = to Edgerrin James, Anquan Boldin, and Larry Fitzgerald.

Honestly, look at that and see how fucking dumb that looks because that is what you are saying.

Its not Leinarts fault he fell to a team with great offensive weapons :rolleyes:
Refer back to my McNabb/Brady post...

[Grant]

I'll change my sig to "I Love VY", if you'll just change your name to SVYTVYenom.

[SVTVenom]

The only thing i've learned from SVT tonight and i'll look back at this all season long.


Leinart = Only does good cause he has a probowl WR / RB and he is suppose to play good...

Tho he always likes talkin about competition and Defenses.. Leinart pretty much did what other Vets havnt been able to do..Pick apart the Bears Defense as a ROOKIE.

VY = He has no talent around him...Therefore he's allowed to do bad...
And if he does Good, he can brag about him more cause of the talent and non probowl players around him...

Even tho McNabb competed in 2 NFC championship games(prior TO era) with no probowl Weapons(RB/WR) around him, Except 1 TE.

Same goes for Brady with no Probowl Weapons(RB/WR) for his 1st Two SUPERBOWLS WINS...

If you didnt get what im saying, You dont need Great Players around you to win offensivly, just a good QB and decent players around you

Yeah, and I guess those Pro-Bowler laden defenses for the Eagles and Patriots had absolutely nothing to do with those QB's teams winning either, right? :rolleyes:

You asked for Pro Bowlers and I gave them to you. You then made up stipulations that they had to be RB/WR/TE and then only RB/WR.

[Grant]

And again, I say Leinart has the better supporting cast and it is shown by who he has to hand off to and throw to.

What you are saying is that based on 2006 #'s alone, Travis Henry, Drew Bennett, and Bobby Wade are > or = to Edgerrin James, Anquan Boldin, and Larry Fitzgerald.

Honestly, look at that and see how fucking dumb that looks because that is what you are saying.


How can we use stats from the PAST, when we're debating the rookie seasons of 2 QB's from 2006. What good does stat's do from previous seasons that have nothing associated with the performance of the 2 we're speaking about?

Please explain how using stats prior to 2006, matter to what VY & Leinart are doing this year, with the forementioned players on their team? Quote this question directly, so we can understand your answer better..

[unkoricky]

Yeah, and I guess those Pro-Bowler laden defenses for the Eagles and Patriots had absolutely nothing to do with those QB's teams winning either, right? :rolleyes:

You asked for Pro Bowlers and I gave them to you. You then made up stipulations that they had to be RB/WR/TE and then only RB/WR.
hahaha..wow... :p

My fault, i'll edit it for you MR Vince Young...

And like i've said, YOU READ INTO THINGS TOO HARD.

Get a Life homie...

Of Course Defense wins championships you idiot.

Im saying QB is alot more important then having a GREAT WR & RB & TE.

Cant do much when your QB cant get you the ball

[SVTVenom]

How can we use stats from the PAST, when we're debating the rookie seasons of 2 QB's from 2006. What good does stat's do from previous seasons that have nothing associated with the performance of the 2 we're speaking about?

Please explain how using stats prior to 2006, matter to what VY & Leinart are doing this year, with the forementioned players on their team? Quote this question directly, so we can understand your answer better..

It matters because it shows what the players are capable of doing and have done.

Either way you slice it, you are fucking dumb in what you are saying because you are comparing scrubs to Pro-Bowlers and a HOF'er.

Since I have to get up for work tomorrow, I'll just leave you Leinart lovers with this: He's 0-2 as a starter in the NFL. Chew on that.

[unkoricky]

Since I have to get up for work tomorrow, I'll just leave you Leinart lovers with this: He's 0-2 as a starter in the NFL. Chew on that.
haha..im sure you'll keep posting..

[unkoricky]

Its the job of the QB to hold onto the ball. Again, we've all seen plenty of QB's take blind-side hits and hold onto it.

http://img133.imageshack.us/img133/3857/leinartfmh2.gif

Give him 12 ounces of Superglue in his left hand and im sure he can hold onto the ball..

3 step drop..DE comes from Blindside UNBLOCKED..

[Grant]

It matters because it shows what the players are capable of doing and have done.

Either way you slice it, you are fucking dumb in what you are saying because you are comparing scrubs to Pro-Bowlers and a HOF'er.

Since I have to get up for work tomorrow, I'll just leave you Leinart lovers with this: He's 0-2 as a starter in the NFL. Chew on that.

I hope whatever you do for work, doesn't depend on your literacy ability...

Again, you totally ignore the facts/stat's, which is what we're working on. Which is what I figured, by asking you to quote my question and answer it.

He's 0-2 as a starter, with much better stat's than VY. Had decent stat's against the team you said had the #1 defense in the NFL.

Again, for the people in the nosebleed-seating, how can we compare VY & Leinart against each other, using stat's previous to 2006, since both started in the NFL in 2006?

Again, Edge is not the best All-around RB in the league, as you were quoted saying. He's not even in the top 30. With performances like tonight, I'd almost bet he's not even in the top 40.

VY has a better RB in 2006, compared to Leinart.

We also know the only reason that the Titan's won a game so far in 2006, is because they have VY on their team.

[Grant]

It matters because it shows what the players are capable of doing and have done.

Really? They should have started Kurt Warner then, he HAD* (*otherwise known as previously, before, have done (in your words)) one of the best seasons in the history of the NFL ('99). So, since SVYTVYenom has decided we're playing the 2006 NFL season by basing everything off of previous season stats - it looks like the Cardinal's really messed up by starting Leinart. My mistake, you were right all along! Everything that happens this season is based off what happened last season, which is why the Bears are 5-0 this season, because like last year, they started 5-0...err, wait - they were 2-3 through the first 5 games they played. I always thought the world worked by "what have you done for me lately?"

[unkoricky]

I hope whatever you do for work, doesn't depend on your literacy ability...

Again, you totally ignore the facts/stat's, which is what we're working on. Which is what I figured, by asking you to quote my question and answer it.

He's 0-2 as a starter, with much better stat's than VY. Had decent stat's against the team you said had the #1 defense in the NFL.

Again, for the people in the nosebleed-seating, how can we compare VY & Leinart against each other, using stat's previous to 2006, since both started in the NFL in 2006?

Again, Edge is not the best All-around RB in the league, as you were quoted saying. He's not even in the top 30. With performances like tonight, I'd almost bet he's not even in the top 40.

VY has a better RB in 2006, compared to Leinart.

We also know the only reason that the Titan's won a game so far in 2006, is because they have VY on their team.

its easy...VY is venoms baby daddy... the only facts that we've learned tonight.
Leinart isnt good cause he has probowler WR & RB and they do all the work...
So for the rest of Leinarts career, the only knock will be that he had Probowl Players :rolleyes:

[LannyN9NE]

Seriously Venom's arguements get weaker as the season goes on.

[Cartman]

Seriously Venom's arguements get weaker as the season goes on.
lmao

this whole thread is funny. I have never seen anybody swing from a set of nuts like nate does.

for anybody still lost, I will make it easier for you.

VY>Ditka>Da Bears>all of the NFL players past present and future

[Stephen]

i didnt read the thread but all i was thinking at work tonight is "ray finkle"

[momo stallion]

i'm not reading all this fucking nonsense by a bunch of fucking idiots who havent let go of the nuts of former players of schools they get hard over.

WE GET THE FUCKING POINT.

texas fans = everything out of texas is the best ever and since VY is has replaced jesus in your life, you spend all day looking for VY porn.

aggie fans = everything not out of texas you will use to shove in a texas nut swingers face. you cant use your own players since they all suck and there is no doubt about it. all other teams and players non texas, you feel like you can use to build your cry baby case. today it's matt leinard... because he isnt texas.



now, about the fucking game. i think it's great how the bears win without playing any offense and grossman fucked me over by putting up -7 points. 2 defensive touchdowns and 1 special teams touchdown. rolf... poor arizona.

okl

[Skidonenko]

damn they win after i stop watching. Slooooopy ass foot ballfrom the bears, but a win in the end

[spankustang]

Lienart>Young any day of the week!!!
VY would have been KILLED against the Bears D!!

[davidaustin]

i'm not reading all this fucking nonsense by a bunch of fucking idiots who havent let go of the nuts of former players of schools they get hard over.

WE GET THE FUCKING POINT.

texas fans = everything out of texas is the best ever and since VY is has replaced jesus in your life, you spend all day looking for VY porn.

aggie fans = everything not out of texas you will use to shove in a texas nut swingers face. you cant use your own players since they all suck and there is no doubt about it. all other teams and players non texas, you feel like you can use to build your cry baby case. today it's matt leinard... because he isnt texas.
l

C'mon man... this is only the case with ONE guy here...

Anyone who says VY is better than Lienart THIS YEAR TO THIS POINT is smoking VY's own dick every night.

Who knows which one will end up being better... only time will tell.

I for one believe Lienart will be a longtime NFL QB and Vince will always be an avg. one. I think that the speed of the game is just too fast on DEF for a dual threat QB to do much more than escape the pocket for a few seconds before dumping the ball to someone. The main problem I see for VY is he just can't get the ball downfield compared to a traditional mechanics QB.

This has nothing to do with his supporting cast. It has everything to do with VY having a tough time having the ability/mechanics to be a deep threat and thread the needle on tight routes guy.

I see him struggling as the years go on and always having the 'well, he's great but just can't throw as well' knock on him like Vick. He'll win games and have some highlight reel plays, but if I was picking for the future of my franchise I would take Lienart over VY everyday of the week.

[Nate]

The only way nate would concede and arguement is if VY took his dick out of his mouth long enough to tell Svtvenom to hush up and get back to work because his lack of logic is obviously messing with his concentration of blowing Vince.

[momo stallion]

The only way nate would concede and arguement is if VY took his dick out of his mouth long enough to tell Svtvenom to hush up and get back to work because his lack of logic is obviously messing with his concentration of blowing Vince.


lol.

i'm just waiting for nov. 18th when Ohio state gets to play Michigan!

hopefully they will be ranked 1 and 2 by then!

go wolverines!


edit: i guess the rankings are updated properly and michigan is ranked 2. good.

[Nate]

Winner goes to the NC game...loser maybe to the rose bowl. And if it goes the exact way I want it to, it can be close and they can rematch for the NC game and screw UT out of a bcs title game...hold on it wouldn't be screwing them out since they took care of business back in Sept when UT didn't. :p

Or at the least have and undefeated USC/WVU/LV team come in because they win out so I can hear venom bitch about weak schedule blah blah even though they did everything on their end to get in (like not lose games).

[TOMMY]

He might be able to get it to Boldin and let him do his thing, but he still lost.


Dude stop hating on Matt...the O-line didn't block for him or james last night.

[Pro Trash]

Leave it to an Aggie to agree with someone that says Edgerrin James sucks now, seeing as how he averaged over 96 yards a game from 2003-2004 and over 100 yards a game in 2005.

Get a clue. James is the best all around back in the league, period.

I did not disagree with you about E. James he is awesome (fumble aside). I agree that Leinart has a lot of talent around him. You just seem to want to point out all of his deficiencies which in no way compare to his positive points. He did not play as if he was in his second game last night. He showed up and played a great game as a "QB" so stop making excuses that it was those around him that made it happen.

Leinart led the Offense time and time again last night against the best D in the league argubly. You can't agree with anyone who doesn't agree with you that VY is greater than any rookie out there, LOL.

VY is good but he is behind Leinart in QB talent for now period, not by much but a little behind anyhow. You made a big deal out of the blind side sack causing a fumble that led to a Defensive TD but failed to admonish the kicker who could have won it or E. James who let Urlacher strip it which directly led to a TD. You are biased against anyone that challenges your ideal on VY's QB talent and will nit-pick anyone you consider to be his direct competitor, i.e. Drew Brees., R. Bush, Leinart, etc. Please you aren't on the same level of understanding the game due to your inability to remove your basic bias or hate for players that oppose VY, this in itself brings mounds of dis-credit upon your statements. For the record I think VY will be a great QB just not to the extent you do.

[46Tbird]

I for one believe Lienart will be a longtime NFL QB and Vince will always be an avg. one. Lienart = Brady

Young = Vick

Take that as you will.

[Cartman]

I did not disagree with you about E. James he is awesome (fumble aside). I agree that Leinart has a lot of talent around him. You just seem to want to point out all of his deficiencies which in no way compare to his positive points. He did not play as if he was in his second game last night. He showed up and played a great game as a "QB" so stop making excuses that it was those around him that made it happen.

Leinart led the Offense time and time again last night against the best D in the league argubly. You can't agree with anyone who doesn't agree with you that VY is greater than any rookie out there, LOL.

VY is good but he is behind Leinart in QB talent for now period, not by much but a little behind anyhow. You made a big deal out of the blind side sack causing a fumble that led to a Defensive TD but failed to admonish the kicker who could have won it or E. James who let Urlacher strip it which directly led to a TD. You are biased against anyone that challenges your ideal on VY's QB talent and will nit-pick anyone you consider to be his direct competitor, i.e. Drew Brees., R. Bush, Leinart, etc. Please you aren't on the same level of understanding the game due to your inability to remove your basic bias or hate for players that oppose VY, this in itself brings mounds of dis-credit upon your statements. For the record I think VY will be a great QB just not to the extent you do.

here is something else for every body to look at. last year, according to nate, it was all vy that lead to texas's title despite the fact he had "the best backfield rbs in all the ncaa" and some decent wr and an all american TE, it was all vy, now this year it is not his fault that the players around him suck and he can't do it all. but matt has all that talent around him at usc that is why he won, but now in the nfl he can't win with talented wr and rb's, despite picking apart the best d in the league with maybe the 2nd or 3rd worst O line in the NFL right now.

nate you have lost any credibility when it comes to football. no matter what happens here on out, you are just guessing or assuming. you can only root for your team and can't see what is really going on because the world is out to get them when bad things happen. it would be in your best interests to not post up anything about football ever again. we all know you haven't played the sport, and we all know now that you really haven't a clue as to what a good player does for his team.

[Hollywood]

here is something else for every body to look at. last year, according to nate, it was all vy that lead to texas's title despite the fact he had "the best backfield rbs in all the ncaa" and some decent wr and an all american TE, it was all vy, now this year it is not his fault that the players around him suck and he can't do it all. but matt has all that talent around him at usc that is why he won, but now in the nfl he can't win with talented wr and rb's, despite picking apart the best d in the league with maybe the 2nd or 3rd worst O line in the NFL right now.

nate you have lost any credibility when it comes to football. no matter what happens here on out, you are just guessing or assuming. you can only root for your team and can't see what is really going on because the world is out to get them when bad things happen. it would be in your best interests to not post up anything about football ever again. we all know you haven't played the sport, and we all know now that you really haven't a clue as to what a good player does for his team.

pwned!

[BOOSTED32V]

nate you have lost any credibility when it comes to football. no matter what happens here on out, you are just guessing or assuming. you can only root for your team and can't see what is really going on because the world is out to get them when bad things happen. it would be in your best interests to not post up anything about football ever again. we all know you haven't played the sport, and we all know now that you really haven't a clue as to what a good player does for his team.Wow, LOL!...'H'b

[davidaustin]

Lienart = Brady

Young = Vick

Take that as you will.

I agree...


I see him struggling as the years go on and always having the 'well, he's great but just can't throw as well' knock on him like Vick. He'll win games and have some highlight reel plays, but if I was picking for the future of my franchise I would take Lienart over VY everyday of the week.

[SVTVenom]

here is something else for every body to look at. last year, according to nate, it was all vy that lead to texas's title despite the fact he had "the best backfield rbs in all the ncaa" and some decent wr and an all american TE, it was all vy, now this year it is not his fault that the players around him suck and he can't do it all. but matt has all that talent around him at usc that is why he won, but now in the nfl he can't win with talented wr and rb's, despite picking apart the best d in the league with maybe the 2nd or 3rd worst O line in the NFL right now.

nate you have lost any credibility when it comes to football. no matter what happens here on out, you are just guessing or assuming. you can only root for your team and can't see what is really going on because the world is out to get them when bad things happen. it would be in your best interests to not post up anything about football ever again. we all know you haven't played the sport, and we all know now that you really haven't a clue as to what a good player does for his team.

:rolleyes: Please. You are the person who roots for a team that hasn't done anything of signifcance since 1969, yet thinks they will win a National Championship with a coach who is barely over .500 in his tenure at Arkansas.

VY's players at WR/TE/RB last year in college are better than what he has now. Who in the fuck is Roydell Williams or Bobby Wade anyway? Exactly.

Gotta love the 'Leinart Lovers' swinging off his nuts just like you accuse me of doing with VY.

[Pro Trash]

:rolleyes: Please. You are the person who roots for a team that hasn't done anything of signifcance since 1969, yet thinks they will win a National Championship with a coach who is barely over .500 in his tenure at Arkansas.

VY's players at WR/TE/RB last year in college are better than what he has now. Who in the fuck is Roydell Williams or Bobby Wade anyway? Exactly.

Gotta love the 'Leinart Lovers' swinging off his nuts just like you accuse me of doing with VY.

No one is swinging off Leinarts nuts people are tired of you bashing every player you see as his competitor. My god get a clue, VY is a good QB but he still has a lot of growing to do. Pete Carol out of USC has produced two significant QB's for the NFL at this point in his tenure. Is VY significant, well yes, has he looked as good as Lienart? No, maybe it is because he needs a better supporting cast. Also Leinart was a passing QB and anyone who ever watched VY play at UT saw he was a run/pass back. Heck let's look at the last time UT and USC met with Leinart and VY at their respective helms.

Leinart 29/40 365 yards 1TD 1INT versus

Young who was 30/40 0-TD's 0-Int's
and oh by the way he rushed 19 times for 200 yards and 3 TD's

UT's two running backs combined to rush 12 times for 79 yards and 1 TD in that game. So please tell me you can recognize that Leinart was truly being prepped as a West Coast passer where as UT let VY use his natural ability to lift UT to the National Title game.

[SVTVenom]

No one is swinging off Leinarts nuts people are tired of you bashing every player you see as his competitor. My god get a clue, VY is a good QB but he still has a lot of growing to do. Pete Carol out of USC has produced two significant QB's for the NFL at this point in his tenure. Is VY significant, well yes, has he looked as good as Lienart? No, maybe it is because he needs a better supporting cast. Also Leinart was a passing QB and anyone who ever watched VY play at UT saw he was a run/pass back. Heck let's look at the last time UT and USC met with Leinart and VY at their respective helms.

Leinart 29/40 365 yards 1TD 1INT versus

Young who was 30/40 0-TD's 0-Int's
and oh by the way he rushed 19 times for 200 yards and 3 TD's

UT's two running backs combined to rush 12 times for 79 yards and 1 TD in that game. So please tell me you can recognize that Leinart was truly being prepped as a West Coast passer where as UT let VY use his natural ability to lift UT to the National Title game.

Now I can acutally somewhat respect that post. However, 9/10 people on here say VY can't throw worth a shit when that isn't the case.

Leinart is more suited for NFL play right now because of the system he ran at USC. Any QB who has to learn a new system will need time to learn it, no matter how good they are and that is the case right now with VY/Titans. If they had the same rushing personel like Atlanta does, they could run that offense and probably have 1-2 more wins this season if he would have started from the beginning.

You give anyone that is still worth anything as a QB Boldin/Fitzgerald/James and they will look like a superstar because those guys are some of the best players in the league.

There is no way Leinart would look good with Troy Walters/Carlyle Holiday/Marcel Shipp and that is a fact.

[sonicblue]

I am guessing in about 2 - 3 years, we will read one of those "What ever happened to....." stories, wondering where VY is now. he'll go down with that long line of QB's that came out of college with a lot of fanfair, becasue they won a nat'l championship, only to find out that NFL is a totally different game. Faster and stronger defensive players will chew up and spit out those qb's that won't stand back and pass teh ball, who tuck the ball and run at the first sign of trouble. yep, this ain't the Big 12 anymore!

[SVTVenom]

I am guessing in about 2 - 3 years, we will read one of those "What ever happened to....." stories, wondering where VY is now. he'll go down with that long line of QB's that came out of college with a lot of fanfair, becasue they won a nat'l championship, only to find out that NFL is a totally different game. Faster and stronger defensive players will chew up and spit out those qb's that won't stand back and pass teh ball, who tuck the ball and run at the first sign of trouble. yep, this ain't the Big 12 anymore!

I find it funny that the same people now saying he can't do it in the NFL were the exact same people saying he couldn't do it in college. We all know how that turned out.

[Cartman]

I find it funny that the same people now saying he can't do it in the NFL were the exact same people saying he couldn't do it in college. We all know how that turned out.
he didn't do it in college either. he ran a zone read and ran the ball almost as much as he passed. he needs to develop more to be a better qb not saying he can't become one but I doubt it.

[SVTVenom]

he didn't do it in college either. he ran a zone read and ran the ball almost as much as he passed. he needs to develop more to be a better qb not saying he can't become one but I doubt it.

How did he not do it? He went 30-2 as a starter, 2x Rose Bowl MVP, 13-0 Championship Season, etc, etc, etc.

He did everything you said he couldn't do and more yet you refuse to admit you were dead wrong about his success.

While your boy Matt Jones was fumbling games away, VY was putting stats up, winning games, and staking his claim as one of the best QB's in the history of college football.

[Cartman]

How did he not do it? He went 30-2 as a starter, 2x Rose Bowl MVP, 13-0 Championship Season, etc, etc, etc.

He did everything you said he couldn't do and more yet you refuse to admit you were dead wrong about his success.

While your boy Matt Jones was fumbling games away, VY was putting stats up, winning games, and staking his claim as one of the best QB's in the history of college football.
he won, but not because of his passing, he won because he had a great d and great players around him, and he could run.

[SVTVenom]

he won, but not because of his passing, he won because he had a great d and great players around him, and he could run.

LOL, I guess they just handed him the Davey O'Brien for absolutely no reason then, huh? :rolleyes:

[Cartman]

LOL, I guess they just handed him the Davey O'Brien for absolutely no reason then, huh? :rolleyes:
he was the 3rd best passer in stats, but when you have all that talent around you it will make even you look like an all star, don't believe me just look at Matt at AZ

[SVTVenom]

he was the 3rd best passer in stats, but when you have all that talent around you it will make even you look like an all star, don't believe me just look at Matt at AZ

So now its Texas had tons of talent. I thought you Texas haters said it was all VY and nobody else. Talk about flip-flopping.

[Cartman]

So now its Texas had tons of talent. I thought you Texas haters said it was all VY and nobody else. Talk about flip-flopping.
1st off I never said vy was good, no flip flopping here, 2nd just using your theory of why vy was so "good" at UT. it was because of the players around him. you said it yourself, with all that talent around him he should be better. :cool:

[SVTVenom]

1st off I never said vy was good, no flip flopping here, 2nd just using your theory of why vy was so "good" at UT. it was because of the players around him. you said it yourself, with all that talent around him he should be better. :cool:

Chris, what cracks me up the most is despite all the wins and awards VY won, you still won't give him a shred of credit. You call me a homer for saying Leinart isn't that good, but you are doing the same exact thing in reverse. Pot/Kettle/Black.

I've never said that Leinart had no talent, I just don't think he's as good as people make him out to be simply because he's had studs around him from the get go and never really got hit while at USC. That sack/fumble is a perfect example of him not being used to "real" football and the fact that he will get hit and will have to hold onto the ball.

What is lost in all this bullshit is that the Bears won this game without scoring an offensive TD. That speaks volumes about that team and what they can do this season.

[5.0 beast]

anyone have the video of the interview of dennis green after the game?

[Cartman]

Chris, what cracks me up the most is despite all the wins and awards VY won, you still won't give him a shred of credit. You call me a homer for saying Leinart isn't that good, but you are doing the same exact thing in reverse. Pot/Kettle/Black.

I've never said that Leinart had no talent, I just don't think he's as good as people make him out to be simply because he's had studs around him from the get go and never really got hit while at USC. That sack/fumble is a perfect example of him not being used to "real" football and the fact that he will get hit and will have to hold onto the ball.

What is lost in all this bullshit is that the Bears won this game without scoring an offensive TD. That speaks volumes about that team and what they can do this season.
so what about vy fumble when he got hit vs ou at the goal line? what about mccoy fumble on a hit that wasn't even hard nor from the blindside? I am not saying anything that most people aren't saying about leinart, because you can't see it is beyond me. I don't care what he does, he doesn't play from miami, detroit, or the any other team I watch. but is he better than your boy, you can't argue that. well it stay that who knows, but right now matt is 100x the qb that vy is. I would like to see vy do good, but I don't see it happening. he has no touch, now if he can throw hooks and slants then he will be an all pro.

I only argue with you because i know this pisses you off. and it is funny for the rest of us. and like i stated before. I like texas but you make it so hard to say anything good about them. I really hope texas and ark end up playing this year in a bowl game, not likely but I hope. I would like to see how well you can stop the run with a team that can actually run the ball.