"Vince Young: Great college QB, lousy pro prospect "

[Pro Trash]

I didn't write that headline but another guy did. I was reading this on ESPN this morning and thought wow, I didn't think of it like this, I still think VY will be a good NFL QB but this guy doesn't.

http://www.sportsline.com/nfl/story/9626003

[SVTVenom]

"Argue this all you want, but I haven't felt this strongly about a quarterback since 1998, when the top two choices in the draft were Peyton Manning and Ryan Leaf.

I liked Leaf."

That alone shows how much of a dumbass this guy is. :rolleyes:

[Geor!]

"Argue this all you want, but I haven't felt this strongly about a quarterback since 1998, when the top two choices in the draft were Peyton Manning and Ryan Leaf.

I liked Leaf."

That alone shows how much of a dumbass this guy is. :rolleyes:
I think everyone liked Leaf.

[SVTVenom]

I think everyone liked Leaf.

Not everyone liked Young. The Houston Texans were dumb enough to pass on him.

Plus, did Ryan Leaf ever win a National Championship? Nope.

I guess Jeff Fisher and Norm Chow are just lying straight through their teeth when they constantly praise Vince Young. :rolleyes:

Thats exactly why they are NFL coaches and this guy is a no-name internet sports writer.

[46Tbird]

Of course.

I laugh every time I hear about a "rushing quarterback" because if he was any good at his position, he'd be passing it to someone 25 yards up the field...

Mike Vick and VY = big joke

[SVTVenom]

Of course.

I laugh every time I hear about a "rushing quarterback" because if he was any good at his position, he'd be passing it to someone 25 yards up the field...

Mike Vick and VY = big joke

Oh really?

Check this video out: Right Click, Save Target As (http://www.utexasclan.com/hornfans/vy-no-espn-8-12-06.wmv)

If not for Roydell "Stone Hands" Williams, that would have been like an 80-yard TD strike.

Sure didn't look like Young had to put alot of effort into throwing the ball that far either.

[Hollywood]

Of course.

I laugh every time I hear about a "rushing quarterback" because if he was any good at his position, he'd be passing it to someone 25 yards up the field...

Mike Vick and VY = big joke

Ditto. The planets are aligned again because we agree.

[Geor!]

Not everyone liked Young. The Houston Texans were dumb enough to pass on him.

Plus, did Ryan Leaf ever win a National Championship? Nope.

I guess Jeff Fisher and Norm Chow are just lying straight through their teeth when they constantly praise Vince Young. :rolleyes:

Thats exactly why they are NFL coaches and this guy is a no-name internet sports writer.
The Texans passed on him because they didn't need him.

The Texans did fuck up by taking Mario Williams, though, I'm not going to lie. They should have just claimed Bush or Young, and auctioned them off to other teams for some productive O-linemen.

[SVTVenom]

The Texans passed on him because they didn't need him.

The Texans did fuck up by taking Mario Williams, though, I'm not going to lie. They should have just claimed Bush or Young, and auctioned them off to other teams for some productive O-linemen.

Or tried to get rid of David Carr for offensive linemen. At least Young can move and get rid of the ball. Carr just sits there or runs backwords out of bounds.

[Geor!]

Or tried to get rid of David Carr for offensive linemen. At least Young can move and get rid of the ball. Carr just sits there or runs backwords out of bounds.
Sounds like somone on the Cowboys, no? ;)

[SVTVenom]

Sounds like somone on the Cowboys, no? ;)

I agree that there are times where Bledsoe hangs onto the ball too long, but last year alot of those sacks were because the offensive line blew donkey balls too.

He's looked really sharp in pre-season and so has the offensive line, even with Flozell missing some action in the last game.

[46Tbird]

Oh really?

Check this video out: Right Click, Save Target As (http://www.utexasclan.com/hornfans/vy-no-espn-8-12-06.wmv)

If not for Roydell "Stone Hands" Williams, that would have been like an 80-yard TD strike.

Sure didn't look like Young had to put alot of effort into throwing the ball that far either.
I don't need to right-click/save anything to know that a QB's job is to throw or hand off the ball. Just because someone can squirt out of the pocket and make a few yards doesn't mean he's doing a good job at his position.

[SVTVenom]

I don't need to right-click/save anything to know that a QB's job is to throw or hand off the ball. Just because someone can squirt out of the pocket and make a few yards doesn't mean he's doing a good job at his position.

Too bad this isn't grandpa's NFL anymore. :rolleyes:

The definition of what a quarterback does is starting to change. The use of the words "Dual-Threat" when describing a quarterback is just now coming into commonplace language.

Mike Vick is the beta version of the NFL dual-threat QB. Vince Young is the updated version.

I think its funny that Vince Young made so many people eat crow on here and around the globe when it came to him passing the ball, yet you/they still continue to hate.

I just hope you saved some room for some more crow because you and everyone else are going to be eating alot of it in the next 2-3 years.

[46Tbird]

God dude, how can you breathe with your nose shoved up his ass?

Everyone said the same thing about Mike Vick. What a pathetic disappointment he's become for the Falcons and proponents of "the dual threat" in the NFL.

LMFAO that you said VY is the updated version of that disappointment, I could not possibly agree more.

[SVTVenom]

God dude, how can you breathe with your nose shoved up his ass?

Everyone said the same thing about Mike Vick. What a pathetic disappointment he's become for the Falcons and proponents of "the dual threat" in the NFL.

LMFAO that you said VY is the updated version of that disappointment, I could not possibly agree more.

Well, if leading your team to the NFC Championship game without any decent WR's is what you call a dissapointment, you might want to add McNabb to that list. He only got past that point after adding T.O. to the roster.

[46Tbird]

Well, if leading your team to the NFC Championship game without any decent WR's is what you call a dissapointment, you might want to add McNabb to that list. He only got past that point after adding T.O. to the roster.
Well for the LATEST AND GREATEST "BETA DUAL THREAT" NEW STYLE NFL QB, yeah I'd say that's a disappointment. The only reason he has to resort to all this running around bullshit is because he can't throw the damned ball worth a crap. Got any explanation why his QB rating has gotten better since he came back from a knee injury that has limited his scrambling ability and made him throw from the pocket? Hmmm.

Go ahead and defend these guys to the end, neither one of them is ever going to win a championship by scrambling around on the field. That shit will just get a QB injured when he gets flattened by some mean-ass right tackle with "above collegiate" NFL speed. Vick found that out the hard way, so will Young.

[Hollywood]

Well, if leading your team to the NFC Championship game without any decent WR's is what you call a dissapointment, you might want to add McNabb to that list. He only got past that point after adding T.O. to the roster.


More like their defense lead them to a NFC championship game. Not Vick.

[SVTVenom]

Well for the LATEST AND GREATEST "BETA DUAL THREAT" NEW STYLE NFL QB, yeah I'd say that's a disappointment. The only reason he has to resort to all this running around bullshit is because he can't throw the damned ball worth a crap. Got any explanation why his QB rating has gotten better since he came back from a knee injury that has limited his scrambling ability and made him throw from the pocket? Hmmm.

Go ahead and defend these guys to the end, neither one of them is ever going to win a championship by scrambling around on the field. That shit will just get a QB injured when he gets flattened by some mean-ass right tackle with "above collegiate" NFL speed. Vick found that out the hard way, so will Young.

The reason McNabb's #'s are so high is that they pass about 70% of the time and run tons of screens/dump-offs to Westbrook and L.J. Smith.

I think its funny that you call throwing for 3000+ yards, having a 65%+ completion rate, being the most efficient rated passer, and winning the Davey O'Brien award as not being able to throw the ball.

Again, Vick was one game away from playing in a Super Bowl. That must really burn you up.

[bert89coupe]

Of course.

I laugh every time I hear about a "rushing quarterback" because if he was any good at his position, he'd be passing it to someone 25 yards up the field...

Mike Vick and VY = big joke




i used to think you were smart up until this statement.

i guess you didn't like Roger Staubach (sp?) either, did you?

[SVTVenom]

More like their defense lead them to a NFC championship game. Not Vick.

Yeah, I guess his 3,000+ yards combined and 17 TD's didn't have anything to do with that, right? :rolleyes:

[46Tbird]

The reason McNabb's #'s are so high is that they pass about 70% of the time and run tons of screens/dump-offs to Westbrook and L.J. Smith. Blah blah blah why are you dumping McNabb into this? He became irrelevant when he injured himself trying to tackle Roy Williams after throwing the ball right to him. lol.Again, Vick was one game away from playing in a Super Bowl. That must really burn you up.Nah. Proved once again that he didn't have what it takes. What burned me up was watching the Colts lose to an inferior team, the Feelers, and then watching THEM go on to win the SB with the most pathetic QB performance to actually win the game.

That shit pissed me off. But I felt better knowing that Vick was sitting at home watching the TV just like me..

[Grant]

More like their defense lead them to a NFC championship game. Not Vick.

Pretty much, Vick is too inconsistent. McNabb is the 2nd winningest QB behind Tom Brady, since they both came into the league. He was actually ahead of Brady, before last years disaster of a season. I would call McNabb the proto-type mobile QB who is still very accurate. I think what makes him successful is the fact that he looks to PASS first and then relies on his legs if he's unable to find anything downfield. Vick and et al, seem to have that backwards which you can tell by their passing percentage and yardage/INT rates.

Taken from this website: http://www.titansonline.com/team/players/bio.php?PRKey=52

"His .615 winning percentage ranks fifth among active quarterbacks with a minimum of 60 starts behind Tom Brady (.774), McNabb (.709), Brett Favre (.659) and Jay Fiedler (.617), and his .658 winning percentage (52-27) since 1999 is the league’s fourth best mark (minimum 50 starts) behind Brady (.774), McNabb (.709) and Kurt Warner (.678). In 1999 and 2000, he led the Titans to back-to-back 13-win seasons and an appearance in Super Bowl XXXIV. "

[SVTVenom]

Blah blah blah why are you dumping McNabb into this? He became irrelevant when he injured himself trying to tackle Roy Williams after throwing the ball right to him. lol.Nah. Proved once again that he didn't have what it takes. What burned me up was watching the Colts lose to an inferior team, the Feelers, and then watching THEM go on to win the SB with the most pathetic QB performance to actually win the game.

That shit pissed me off. But I felt better knowing that Vick was sitting at home watching the TV just like me..

I see you shyed away from my middle comment. ;)

Vince Young's arm strength and ability to throw aren't a concern and you know that.

The only thing that will limit him is his offensive line and WR's, same with Vick.

Peyton Manning is a great QB and there is no doubt about that, but it also doesn't hurt that he has Marvin Harrison, Reggie Wayne, Brandon Stokley, and Dallas Clark to throw to either.

[46Tbird]

i used to think you were smart up until this statement.

i guess you didn't like Roger Staubach (sp?) either, did you?Roger was great. There's a big difference though.

Staubach would let the play unfold, would attempt to hand off or pass the ball, and if all else failed, he relied on his legs. This is a QB's job.

Vick acts like he's a damned RB out there. The Falcons design plays explicitly for him to use his legs to gain yards, which is a horrible gameplan.

[bert89coupe]

Blah blah blah why are you dumping McNabb into this? He became irrelevant when he injured himself trying to tackle Roy Williams after throwing the ball right to him. lol.Nah. Proved once again that he didn't have what it takes. What burned me up was watching the Colts lose to an inferior team, the Feelers, and then watching THEM go on to win the SB with the most pathetic QB performance to actually win the game.

That shit pissed me off. But I felt better knowing that Vick was sitting at home watching the TV just like me..




so does that mean Manning doesn't have what it takes? Is he just the modern day Dan Marino? hmmmmmm, just asking

[bert89coupe]

Roger was great. There's a big difference though.

Staubach would let the play unfold, would attempt to hand off or pass the ball, and if all else failed, he relied on his legs. This is a QB's job.

Vick acts like he's a damned RB out there. The Falcons design plays explicitly for him to use his legs to gain yards, which is a horrible gameplan.




i'll agree with all of that.

[46Tbird]

I see you shyed away from my middle comment. ;) I wasn't sure if you were talking about McNabb or Vick, that's why. And didn't feel like looking it up since it's irrelevant. No team is going to win a championship by gameplaying their QB to be the top rusher.

[46Tbird]

so does that mean Manning doesn't have what it takes? Is he just the modern day Dan Marino? hmmmmmm, just askingYeah, pretty much. Great player, no rings. I'd rather be "okay" with rings at the end of the day :coughaikmancough: :)

I hate to say it, but Dirk is just the same... crumbles just when he is needed most. :o

[Grant]

Danny, while you're in here - I did take your bet on the Eagles, as I am a Eagle-homer....

Got Paypal?

[46Tbird]

Sure. Mike never spoke up.

First game Eagles/Cowboys, loser pays $20. That right?

[SVTVenom]

I wasn't sure if you were talking about McNabb or Vick, that's why. And didn't feel like looking it up since it's irrelevant. No team is going to win a championship by gameplaying their QB to be the top rusher.

Uhhh, I believe the 2005-2006 Texas Longhorns proves that statement wrong.

[46Tbird]

Uhhh, I believe the 2005-2006 Texas Longhorns proves that statement wrong.Hahahahaa. So college defense is the same as NFL defense? I fart in your general direction.

[SVTVenom]

Hahahahaa. So college defense is the same as NFL defense? I fart in your general direction.

You didn't put NFL in as a condition in that statement.

Dual-Threat QB offenses are in their infancy in relation to regular QB offenses. Given time, they will be on the same level or surpass them.

[TOMMY]

Who gives a fuck....it doesn't matter how good or bad he is. His checks still cash the same way.

[poopnut2]

I think Young will make a great NFL QB in season or two. Texas depended a lot upon his running but I think the NFL will work more on his passing game as well.

[bert89coupe]

Yeah, pretty much. Great player, no rings. I'd rather be "okay" with rings at the end of the day :coughaikmancough: :)

I hate to say it, but Dirk is just the same... crumbles just when he is needed most. :o



Aikman didn't have the numbers of the "great" ones cause he didn't have to throw all game in most of the mid 90's. I was watching something on ESPN that was saying something about his numbers not being very high cause the Cowboys would be ahead by so much in the 3rd, that they would just mainly run the ball the rest of the game :confused:

[0 GT 2]

Aikman didn't have the numbers of the "great" ones cause he didn't have to throw all game in most of the mid 90's. I was watching something on ESPN that was saying something about his numbers not being very high cause the Cowboys would be ahead by so much in the 3rd, that they would just mainly run the ball the rest of the game :confused:

erroneous on all counts

[Hollywood]

Yeah, I guess his 3,000+ yards combined and 17 TD's didn't have anything to do with that, right? :rolleyes:

LOL. Actually, it was 16 TD's and 2936 yards (19th in yards) which put him 20th in the league in TD's. Wow, impressive, 20th in the league. Considering there are 32 teams and 32 starters that puts him in the top 85%. I'm impressed.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/statistics?stat=pass&sort=td&league=nfl&season=2&year=2002

[46Tbird]

:snickers:

[0 GT 2]

LOL. Actually, it was 16 TD's and 2936 yards (19th in yards) which put him 20th in the league in TD's. Wow, impressive, 20th in the league. Considering there are 32 teams and 32 starters that puts him in the top 85%. I'm impressed.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/statistics?stat=pass&sort=td&league=nfl&season=2&year=2002


he is a product of his environment though, if he had recievers he would be able to sit in the pocket and wait for them to get open. since he doesnt he has to scramble and pull on the secondary to open up the field.

i dont see how you can hate on mike vick, hes a perrenial allstar and one of the most exciting players and by far the best all around athelete you'll see starting a game taking snaps.

[Hollywood]

he is a product of his environment though, if he had recievers he would be able to sit in the pocket and wait for them to get open. since he doesnt he has to scramble and pull on the secondary to open up the field.

i dont see how you can hate on mike vick, hes a perrenial allstar and one of the most exciting players and by far the best all around athelete you'll see starting a game taking snaps.

Pretty simple. In 2002 who did John Kitna have to throw to? Steve McNair? Kerry Collins? The list goes on. It just amazes me how people continue to make excuse after excuse for Vick. I've watched the guy play. The only thing he does well is run. Doesn't matter who you are throwing to if you are over throwing them like he does.

[RPM]

what happened to kordell stewart????? :rolleyes:

[SVTVenom]

LOL. Actually, it was 16 TD's and 2936 yards (19th in yards) which put him 20th in the league in TD's. Wow, impressive, 20th in the league. Considering there are 32 teams and 32 starters that puts him in the top 85%. I'm impressed.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/statistics?stat=pass&sort=td&league=nfl&season=2&year=2002

Too bad Atlanta went to the NFC Championship in 2004, not 2002.

His 2004 #'s were 2,313 yards passing, 902 yards rushing, 14 passing TD's, and 3 rushing TD's.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/5448/career;_ylt=AjJM8Isx4wt2PVkW2HReWt3.uLYF

[SVTVenom]

Pretty simple. In 2002 who did John Kitna have to throw to? Steve McNair? Kerry Collins? The list goes on. It just amazes me how people continue to make excuse after excuse for Vick. I've watched the guy play. The only thing he does well is run. Doesn't matter who you are throwing to if you are over throwing them like he does.

Kitna had Chad Johnson.

McNair had Derrick Mason.

Kerry Collins had Amani Toomer.

[Hollywood]

Too bad Atlanta went to the NFC Championship in 2004, not 2002.

His 2004 #'s were 2,313 yards passing, 902 yards rushing, 14 passing TD's, and 3 rushing TD's.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/5448/career;_ylt=AjJM8Isx4wt2PVkW2HReWt3.uLYF


So basically his numbers were worse...LMAO. Thanks for correcting my mistake.

[Pro Trash]

Too bad this isn't grandpa's NFL anymore. :rolleyes:

The definition of what a quarterback does is starting to change. The use of the words "Dual-Threat" when describing a quarterback is just now coming into commonplace language.

Mike Vick is the beta version of the NFL dual-threat QB. Vince Young is the updated version.

I think its funny that Vince Young made so many people eat crow on here and around the globe when it came to him passing the ball, yet you/they still continue to hate.

I just hope you saved some room for some more crow because you and everyone else are going to be eating alot of it in the next 2-3 years.


See that is where I think your bias is noticed easily. Vince Young sat behind the bench for several years watching from the side lines until he played for two seasons and went to the title game and won. Micheal Vick took VT to the title game his first full year against Florida as a sophmore and even pulled Tech back into the lead during the third so to say Vick has a less storied career based off college because VY cannot be compared to Vick as a Pro until he has a least a season under his belt. I like Vick but he is not a great NFL QB, really good but not great. I think that this could be in the cards for VY if he relies on the run like Vick does. Here is a quote a I found about Vick his sophmore year. He was also a better college passer than VY for "Vick led the NCAA in passing efficiency that year, setting a record for a freshman (180.4), which was also good enough for the second-highest all-time mark to Shaun King's record from the 1998 season at Tulane."

"He exploded onto the scene in his first collegiate game as a redshirt freshman in 1999 with three rushing TDs, in just over one quarter of play. His last touchdown was a spectacular flip in which he landed awkardly on his ankle, forcing him to miss the remainder of the game in addition to the following game. He led the Virginia Tech Hokies to an 11-0 season and to the 2000 Bowl Championship Series national title game in the Nokia Sugar Bowl against Florida State University. Although Virginia Tech lost, 46-29, Vick was able to bring the team back from a 21 point deficit to take a brief lead."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Vick

[SVTVenom]

So basically his numbers were worse...LMAO. Thanks for correcting my mistake.

I'd rather have worse individual #'s and get farther into the season, wouldn't you?

[Hollywood]

Kitna had Chad Johnson.

McNair had Derrick Mason.

Kerry Collins had Randy Moss.

Chad Johson wasn't the superstar he is now. He was 15th in the leaguge in yards that year and 36th in TD"s with a host of others. Derrick Mason was 22nd in the league in yards and 36th in TD's in 2002.

Kerry Collins was with the Giants in 2002. Since when did Randy Moss play for the Giants?

[Hollywood]

I'd rather have worse individual #'s and get farther into the season, wouldn't you?

WTF??? did you not just say that Vick led the team to the NFC championship? Don't try to twist this after you just got proved wrong.

[SVTVenom]

See that is where I think your bias is noticed easily. Vince Young sat behind the bench for several years watching from the side lines until he played for two seasons and went to the title game and won. Micheal Vick took VT to the title game his first full year against Florida as a sophmore and even pulled Tech back into the lead during the third so to say Vick has a less storied career based off college because VY cannot be compared to Vick as a Pro until he has a least a season under his belt. I like Vick but he is not a great NFL QB, really good but not great. I think that this could be in the cards for VY if he relies on the run like Vick does. Here is a quote a I found about Vick his sophmore year. He was also a better college passer than VY for "Vick led the NCAA in passing efficiency that year, setting a record for a freshman (180.4), which was also good enough for the second-highest all-time mark to Shaun King's record from the 1998 season at Tulane."

"He exploded onto the scene in his first collegiate game as a redshirt freshman in 1999 with three rushing TDs, in just over one quarter of play. His last touchdown was a spectacular flip in which he landed awkardly on his ankle, forcing him to miss the remainder of the game in addition to the following game. He led the Virginia Tech Hokies to an 11-0 season and to the 2000 Bowl Championship Series national title game in the Nokia Sugar Bowl against Florida State University. Although Virginia Tech lost, 46-29, Vick was able to bring the team back from a 21 point deficit to take a brief lead."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Vick

Vince Young didn't "sit on the bench." He was redshirted his first year. He then split time with Chace Mock his second year after Mock started to suck and eventually took over about 5 games into the season. Afterwords, he won 2 straight Rose Bowls and a National Championship.

The difference between Young and Vick in college is that Young actually won the big game. That counts for alot.

[SVTVenom]

Chad Johson wasn't the superstar he is now. He was 15th in the leaguge in yards that year and 36th in TD"s with a host of others. Derrick Mason was 22nd in the league in yards and 36th in TD's in 2002.

Kerry Collins was with the Giants in 2002. Since when did Randy Moss play for the Giants?

I edited it after seeing your 2002 in there. They all had talented WR's that went over 1,000 yards in recieving.

[SVTVenom]

WTF??? did you not just say that Vick led the team to the NFC championship? Don't try to twist this after you just got proved wrong.

I'm not trying to twist anything. You are trying to say that Vick had nothing to do with them getting to the NFC Champioship, when in fact he accounted for over 3,000 yards of offense and 17 TD's. He was a BIG part of it.

[Geor!]

What burned me up was watching the Colts lose to an inferior team, the Feelers, and then watching THEM go on to win the SB with the most pathetic QB performance to actually win the game.

That shit pissed me off. But I felt better knowing that Vick was sitting at home watching the TV just like me..
I'm sorry little Danny Manning, but your little butt buddy Peyton will not win a Super Bowl.

- I'm sorry that it burns you up that he and the entire team played like complete shit.
- I'm sorry that it burns you up that the Pittsburgh defense had their number through 3.5 quarters of the game.
- I'm sorry that it burns you up that the refs had to keep them in the game.
- I'm sorry that it burns you up that even when the Dolts had a chance to win, they completely choked.
- I'm sorry that it burns you up that even after Pittsburgh handed the Dolts their collective asses and proved that they should be where they are, you still thought otherwise.
- I'm sorry that it burns you up that Pittsburgh went into Denver and completely outplayed them, once again, showing that they deserve to be there.
- I'm sorry that it burns you up that even with a pitiful QB performance from Ben Roethelisberger, the Seacocks still couldn't find a way to win.

Enjoy your evening. :)

[Grant]

Sure. Mike never spoke up.

First game Eagles/Cowboys, loser pays $20. That right?

Sure, sounds good.

[Pro Trash]

Vince Young didn't "sit on the bench." He was redshirted his first year. He then split time with Chace Mock his second year after Mock started to suck and eventually took over about 5 games into the season. Afterwords, he won 2 straight Rose Bowls and a National Championship.

The difference between Young and Vick in college is that Young actually won the big game. That counts for alot.

In the Pro's it doesn't count for shit and if you say it does then you're an idiot. Ask Scott Frost from Nebraska, Danny W. from Florida, T. Turner from Tennessee, are you getting the point? Please tell me you are not ignorant enough to think a great college career begets a great NFL career. Vick is an example, do you know where Tom Brady played? It seems great NFL backs don't essentially come from the Natiopnal Championship teams for the most part and oh by the way. The Defenses in the Pro's aren't going to let VY run wild like he did in the Pro's and his arm threat will be dealt with by the d-backs that cover WR's like baby blankets.

[SVTVenom]

In the Pro's it doesn't count for shit and if you say it does then you're an idiot. Ask Scott Frost from Nebraska, Danny W. from Florida, T. Turner from Tennessee, are you getting the point? Please tell me you are not ignorant enough to think a great college career begets a great NFL career. Vick is an example, do you know where Tom Brady played? It seems great NFL backs don't essentially come from the Natiopnal Championship teams for the most part and oh by the way. The Defenses in the Pro's aren't going to let VY run wild like he did in the Pro's and his arm threat will be dealt with by the d-backs that cover WR's like baby blankets.

Everything you've just said could be said about ANY QB entering the NFL at any given year. What separates those is what they've done and can possibly do. Heck, even Peyton Manning sucked ass his first year in the league and he's quite possibly the best QB in the NFL right now.

Vince Young accomplished a whole lot in a very short time and his talent is off the charts when it comes to being a Dual-Threat QB and an all around great athlete. All it will take is the right person to harness and channel that into the right areas. If Norm Chow can't do that, then nobody can.

Again, we're talking about something that may or may not occur for another 1-3 years.

The fact still remains, he's done everything people said he could not do and there is no reason to believe why he won't continue doing so.

Just make sure you keep tabs on the Titan's next pre-season game because it is rumored that Vince Young may get his first start.

[Cartman]

Everything you've just said could be said about ANY QB entering the NFL at any given year. What separates those is what they've done and can possibly do. Heck, even Peyton Manning sucked ass his first year in the league and he's quite possibly the best QB in the NFL right now.

Vince Young accomplished a whole lot in a very short time and his talent is off the charts when it comes to being an athlete. All it will take is the right person to harness and channel that into the right areas. If Norm Chow can't do that, then nobody can.

Again, we're talking about something that may or may not occur for another 1-3 years.

Just make sure you keep tabs on the Titan's next pre-season game because it is rumored that Vince Young may get his first start.
if you were smart you wouldn't keep arguing this point any more just make the statement of wait and see. if you are right then post away if you are wrong get ready to get ragged on.

I honestly don't think he will do much as a qb might be a good to great wr, as for him throwing the ball deep, there was a guy name Jay scharder(sp?) played for Oakland and he could throw the ball almost 90 yards in the air, another player kordell aka slash could throw over 80 yards, but neither of them could hit the wr when it counted.

I really do hope vy proves most of us wrong and goes on to be a great qb, but I doubt he is smart enough to play. just wait till he gets in a game and they show him things he hasn't seen yet, since preseason D's don't show you what they are going to do in the reg season.

let's just hope he doesn't follow ricky.

[SVTVenom]

if you were smart you wouldn't keep arguing this point any more just make the statement of wait and see. if you are right then post away if you are wrong get ready to get ragged on.

I honestly don't think he will do much as a qb might be a good to great wr, as for him throwing the ball deep, there was a guy name Jay scharder(sp?) played for Oakland and he could throw the ball almost 90 yards in the air, another player kordell aka slash could throw over 80 yards, but neither of them could hit the wr when it counted.

I really do hope vy proves most of us wrong and goes on to be a great qb, but I doubt he is smart enough to play. just wait till he gets in a game and they show him things he hasn't seen yet, since preseason D's don't show you what they are going to do in the reg season.

let's just hope he doesn't follow ricky.

Well, if you watched that video I posted up, I don't know how much more into the reciever's hands Vince Young could have put it unless he stopped time, ran up to the reciever, put Super-Glue on his hands, placed the ball in his hands, and then resumed time as we know it again.

[Cartman]

Well, if you watched that video I posted up, I don't know how much more into the reciever's hands Vince Young could have put it unless he stopped time, ran up to the reciever, put Super-Glue on his hands, placed the ball in his hands, and then resumed time as we know it again.
laws of average, sooner or later you will make it look like it supposed to. hell anybody here can complete a pass, maybe not an 80yard in the air pass but a pass with enough tries. jay and kordell got lucky as well.

[SVTVenom]

laws of average, sooner or later you will make it look like it supposed to. hell anybody here can complete a pass, maybe not an 80yard in the air pass but a pass with enough tries. jay and kordell got lucky as well.

The problem with that is, Vince Young has completed countless long-distance throws in his career.

I think that particular instance was just Roydell Williams sucks ass.

[Cartman]

The problem with that is, Vince Young has completed countless long-distance throws in his career.

I think that particular instance was just Roydell Williams sucks ass.
he hasn't completed as many as he has had incomplete on those throws all qb's complete many of their passes doesn't mean they are good, just laws of average.

[SVTVenom]

he hasn't completed as many as he has had incomplete on those throws all qb's complete many of their passes doesn't mean they are good, just laws of average.

Laws of average go out the window when you talk about a person's season long statistics. He completed 65%+ of his passes this past year.

[Pro Trash]

Everything you've just said could be said about ANY QB entering the NFL at any given year. What separates those is what they've done and can possibly do. Heck, even Peyton Manning sucked ass his first year in the league and he's quite possibly the best QB in the NFL right now.

Vince Young accomplished a whole lot in a very short time and his talent is off the charts when it comes to being a Dual-Threat QB and an all around great athlete. All it will take is the right person to harness and channel that into the right areas. If Norm Chow can't do that, then nobody can.

Again, we're talking about something that may or may not occur for another 1-3 years.

The fact still remains, he's done everything people said he could not do and there is no reason to believe why he won't continue doing so.

Just make sure you keep tabs on the Titan's next pre-season game because it is rumored that Vince Young may get his first start.

The same can be said for Vick, I am not saying VY won't be a good QB but unlike you not everyone feels he will surpass the likes of Montana or Elway in talent, stats and career.

[46Tbird]

I'm sorry little Danny Manning, but your little butt buddy Peyton will not win a Super Bowl.

- I'm sorry that it burns you up that he and the entire team played like complete shit.
- I'm sorry that it burns you up that the Pittsburgh defense had their number through 3.5 quarters of the game.
- I'm sorry that it burns you up that the refs had to keep them in the game.
- I'm sorry that it burns you up that even when the Dolts had a chance to win, they completely choked.
- I'm sorry that it burns you up that even after Pittsburgh handed the Dolts their collective asses and proved that they should be where they are, you still thought otherwise.
- I'm sorry that it burns you up that Pittsburgh went into Denver and completely outplayed them, once again, showing that they deserve to be there.
- I'm sorry that it burns you up that even with a pitiful QB performance from Ben Roethelisberger, the Seacocks still couldn't find a way to win.

Enjoy your evening. :)
If you're going to agree with everything I said, you don't have to do it in a condescending tone. :)

What can I say, I'm a Cowboys homer, I hate to see the Steelers have any success - especially when it comes from their opponents' poor game play instead of the Steelers domination of any game. It was a terrible postseason IMO. Should have been the Broncos/Colts in the SB but they decided it was nap time instead of game time during the playoffs...

I sure hope Ben decides to wear his helmet on the field this year... ;)

[slow99]

I sure hope Ben decides to wear his helmet on the field this year... ;)

lol. geof, we'll be at milo's on yale watching the steelers next thursday, and we'll have an extra terrible towel. ;)

[bert89coupe]

doesn't vince usually prove people wrong in games, not practice or practice like games?? i'm just sayin.......

[Geor!]

If you're going to agree with everything I said, you don't have to do it in a condescending tone. :)

What can I say, I'm a Cowboys homer, I hate to see the Steelers have any success - especially when it comes from their opponents' poor game play instead of the Steelers domination of any game. It was a terrible postseason IMO. Should have been the Broncos/Colts in the SB but they decided it was nap time instead of game time during the playoffs...

I sure hope Ben decides to wear his helmet on the field this year... ;)
A Broncos/Colts Super Bowl? I don't see how that's possible sir.

[SVTVenom]

A Broncos/Colts Super Bowl? I don't see how that's possible sir.

Maybe he's saying the Broncos or the Colts should have made it to the Super Bowl? :confused:

[46Tbird]

Yeah, that's what I meant, sorry I didn't make that clear.

[Cartman]

Laws of average go out the window when you talk about a person's season long statistics. He completed 65%+ of his passes this past year.
ok stat boy what are his stats for throws over 30 yards before the catch or miss. I bet that number falls down to closer 20% or lower.

[SVTVenom]

ok stat boy what are his stats for throws over 30 yards before the catch or miss. I bet that number falls down to closer 20% or lower.

I doubt anyone has that recorded, but all you have to do is look at the OU or CU games and see he can put it through a donut hole.

Also, Rick Gosselin, a well respected journalist, seems to think a bit differently about this situation:

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/spt/stories/083106dnspogosselin.3240616.html

[Cartman]

I doubt anyone has that recorded, but all you have to do is look at the OU or CU games and see he can put it through a donut hole.

Also, Rick Gosselin, a well respected journalist, seems to think a bit differently about this situation:

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/spt/stories/083106dnspogosselin.3240616.html
"Just about every practice, something like that happened. We'd all look at each other and say, 'Did you see that?' That's the part that's really exciting about him. Now, when does that go from two out of 10 [plays] to four out of 10 to six out of 10? Does it ever get there? I don't know. But if it does, there will be a new standard in the league."

that is all you need to read "Now, when does that go from two out of 10 [plays] to four out of 10 to six out of 10? Does it ever get there?"

[SVTVenom]

"Just about every practice, something like that happened. We'd all look at each other and say, 'Did you see that?' That's the part that's really exciting about him. Now, when does that go from two out of 10 [plays] to four out of 10 to six out of 10? Does it ever get there? I don't know. But if it does, there will be a new standard in the league."

that is all you need to read "Now, when does that go from two out of 10 [plays] to four out of 10 to six out of 10? Does it ever get there?"

Go ahead and lump any player into that statement. Again, we'll have to wait and see, but going from what he's done in the past 2-1/2 years, the sky is the limit.

[Pro Trash]

The problem with that is, Vince Young has completed countless long-distance throws in his career.

I think that particular instance was just Roydell Williams sucks ass.

News flash college passes don't count when you take into consideration the coverage he was tossing into. When he starts tossing into the pro coverages we'll then see if he really is a passer/runner or just another play maker that is good for a few play offs and some 8 to 10 win seasons. I figure if he does fail you'll simply point the finger at his o=line or recievers honestly.

[SVTVenom]

News flash college passes don't count when you take into consideration the coverage he was tossing into. When he starts tossing into the pro coverages we'll then see if he really is a passer/runner or just another play maker that is good for a few play offs and some 8 to 10 win seasons. I figure if he does fail you'll simply point the finger at his o=line or recievers honestly.

About the WR/O-Line comment:

Do you think that Peyton Manning would be as good as he has been in the NFL without the offensive line he has and Marvin Harrison, Reggie Wayne, Brandon Stokely, Dallas Clark, and Edgerrin James?

Of course not.

Tennessee's WR core sucks ass beyond Drew Bennett and David Givens. The O-Line is pretty much a bunch of no-namers.

I don't expect 3,000 passing yards and 25 TD's out of Vince Young this year, but I wouldn't be surprised if he does put up some pretty decent #'s when he does get in.

By the way, the Titans are shopping Billy Volek pretty hard right now, so he may get in a whole lot sooner than everyone thinks.

[Cartman]

About the WR/O-Line comment:

Do you think that Peyton Manning would be as good as he has been in the NFL without the offensive line he has and Marvin Harrison, Reggie Wayne, Brandon Stokely, Dallas Clark, and Edgerrin James?

Of course not.

Tennessee's WR core sucks ass beyond Drew Bennett and David Givens. The O-Line is pretty much a bunch of no-namers.

I don't expect 3,000 passing yards and 25 TD's out of Vince Young this year, but I wouldn't be surprised if he does put up some pretty decent #'s when he does get in.

By the way, the Titans are shopping Billy Volek pretty hard right now, so he may get in a whole lot sooner than everyone thinks.
because they signed collins to take over if volek does go down, or at least that is what they were saying on nfl network

[SVTVenom]

because they signed collins to take over if volek does go down, or at least that is what they were saying on nfl network

Volek has already asked to be traded and has waived his no-trade clause. I seriously doubt he is with that team come Week 1.

[Cartman]

Volek has already asked to be traded and has waived his no-trade clause. I seriously doubt he is with that team come Week 1.
well seeing that the titans want a 1st rounder for him don't expect any team to bite.

[SVTVenom]

well seeing that the titans want a 1st rounder for him don't expect any team to bite.

Just like nobody was going to bite on Deion Branch, right? :rolleyes: The Jets and Seahawks got all over that and now its going to arbitration. Somebody will deal for Volek.

[Cartman]

Just like nobody was going to bite on Deion Branch, right? :rolleyes: The Jets and Seahawks got all over that and now its going to arbitration. Somebody will deal for Volek.
never said anything about branch, and nobody will give up a 1st rounder. maybe a 3 rd or 4th round since dolphins got daunte for 2nd round pick voleck is going go for a lot less

[bcoop]

Too bad this isn't grandpa's NFL anymore. :rolleyes:

The definition of what a quarterback does is starting to change. The use of the words "Dual-Threat" when describing a quarterback is just now coming into commonplace language.

Mike Vick is the beta version of the NFL dual-threat QB. Vince Young is the updated version.

I think its funny that Vince Young made so many people eat crow on here and around the globe when it came to him passing the ball, yet you/they still continue to hate.

I just hope you saved some room for some more crow because you and everyone else are going to be eating alot of it in the next 2-3 years.


woo dang. Yep. Still LMGDAO!


Geor - Just curious if you still feel the same way about your Mario Williams comment, after seeing what he's been able to do. Not bashing on that, just found it interesting.

[bert89coupe]

woo dang. Yep. Still LMGDAO!


Geor - Just curious if you still feel the same way about your Mario Williams comment, after seeing what he's been able to do. Not bashing on that, just found it interesting.


you're either really gay or really bored. I haven't figured out which one just yet

[SuperWho?]

woo dang. Yep. Still LMGDAO!


Geor - Just curious if you still feel the same way about your Mario Williams comment, after seeing what he's been able to do. Not bashing on that, just found it interesting.

He also said that Payton would never win a Super Bowl.

[bcoop]

you're either really gay or really bored. I haven't figured out which one just yet

Awww. Someone's butt hurt.

[Badass2000gt]

you're either really gay or really bored. I haven't figured out which one just yet

It's the first choice.

[Slowhand]

It's the first choice.

You do a lot of talking about other people wearing tinted glasses for someone that resorts to that kind of tactic when presented with a situation that doesn't play out well for you.

[slow99]

Vince Young was a phenomenal college PLAYER and is a shitty NFL qb. I really don't understand why the die hard Horns fans can't accept it, or why the horns haters keep bringing it up. Although I do have the feeling that the haters keep brining it up just to fuck with the die hards. I'll just sit here and be happy with the national championship and care about things in life that are actually important. :)

[Badass2000gt]

Vince Young was a phenomenal college PLAYER and is a shitty NFL qb. I really don't understand why the die hard Horns fans can't accept it, or why the horns haters keep brining it up. Although I do have the feeling that the haters keep brining it up just to fuck with the die hards. I'll just sit here and be happy with the national championship and care about things in life that are actually important. :)

X2 I said in the other OLD VY thread that bcoop brought from the dead that VY is a shitty NFL player. I wish he could have been better but I don't see it happening.

[slow99]

Sorry, I still lmfao at his Wonderlic score.

[Badass2000gt]

Sorry, I still lmfao at his Wonderlic score.

Wasn't it like 19 or something that low?

[slow99]

Wasn't it like 19 or something that low?

Hell 20 is "average". Fuck, I think it was a 6. My dog could score better.

[Vertnut]

Hell 20 is "average". Fuck, I think it was a 6. My dog could score better.

I guess it's safe to say he won't be sitting at the desk next to you, huh? :slomo:

[bcoop]

Although I do have the feeling that the haters keep brining it up just to fuck with the die hards.

:wave: Football's right around the corner. Just ruffling feathers. And like I said, reading those old threads is hilarious.

Wasn't it like 19 or something that low?


6 out of a possible 50. For reference, the GOOD Manning scored a 28. Favre a 22, Bledsoe a 38, Romo a 36, Brady a 33.

[Geor!]

woo dang. Yep. Still LMGDAO!


Geor - Just curious if you still feel the same way about your Mario Williams comment, after seeing what he's been able to do. Not bashing on that, just found it interesting.

Seems to have been a better pick than either Bush or Young.

Also, I must apologize to Danny as Peyton did win a Super Bowl... the very next year lol.

[J&T's 82]

Yep the Houston Chronicle as well as the fans who thought the Texans were crazy for passing on VY and Bush darn sure don't mention it now.

[bert89coupe]

Awww. Someone's butt hurt.
lol yeah that's it, bcoop u nailed it