9/11 was an inside job?

[cbrjames]

So i haven't really been into all that stuff about what happened, but i'm riding home yesterday, and on the back of this mini van, i see "911 was an inside job". That pissed me the hell off! I kindly flipped them the bird as i rode by. Have any of ya'll heard anything like that? How can they be so brave to live in this country, and display such words? :mad:

[mardyn]

Hey CBRJ,

If you have not already noticed, we're surrounded by idiots. What you saw was just more proof of it.

mardyn

[cbrjames]

Oh trust me, i've noticed. And alot of them are on this board. ;)

But really, that just bothered the hell out of me to see that. And they were caucasian(sp?). I might understand if they were some kind of foreigner.

[Trip McNeely]

Oh trust me, i've noticed. And alot of them are on this board. ;)

But really, that just bothered the hell out of me to see that. And they were caucasian(sp?). I might understand if they were some kind of foreigner.
Well at least you let them know how you felt about it. You should've kicked off their mirror. Fucking heartless morons.

[D]

I carry an extra WTC mini-statue made of fucking steel in my car just in case I see people like that so I can throw it through their window. Ass holes.

[LMPChris]

So i haven't really been into all that stuff about what happened, but i'm riding home yesterday, and on the back of this mini van, i see "911 was an inside job". That pissed me the hell off! I kindly flipped them the bird as i rode by. Have any of ya'll heard anything like that? How can they be so brave to live in this country, and display such words? :mad:


You ever see something like that again feel free to take a bat and bust out all their windows and say it is in honor of my cousin that died their that day..... I will be more than happy to bail you out of jail!

[Juiced4V]

they are going to end up getting whooped or ran off the road by someone who lost family or friends on 9/11 :(

[cbrjames]

Yeah, i'm sure they have had plenty of run ins with people over it. And if any of ya'll are in the Ft. Worth area, i saw this white mini van on 820 and Bryant Irvin.

[Pro Trash]

The people on this very thread are showing just how much we are surrounded by idiots. I think what they had on the car was dumb and anti-american but if you are so pathetic that anytime someone displays something that offends you, you need to resort to physical violence that shows how pathetic some of you really are. The idea is freedom, free to be stupid but not free to mangle someones property with a bat or kick off a mirror possibly placing others in harms way while driving down the road. Free to display what you like, just like some people display ant-abortion, others have Calvin peeing on a chevy sign, etc.I doubt any of you actually have the nuts to act out your fantasy warrior type shit anyhow. :rolleyes:

[Trip McNeely]

Waaa, waaaa Im a bleeding heart, let everyone do what they want, this world would be a much better place. Free everything....
Fixed, for the Liberal. :rolleyes:

I suppose you also feel KKK rally speeches are alright too.

[Jester]

Fixed, for the Liberal. :rolleyes:

I suppose you also feel KKK rally speeches are alright too.
LMGDAO!

[Trip McNeely]

LMGDAO!
Its true though! I guess this guy has never heard of "likely to incite imminent lawless action" speech. :rolleyes:

[AL P]

The people on this very thread are showing just how much we are surrounded by idiots. I think what they had on the car was dumb and anti-american but if you are so pathetic that anytime someone displays something that offends you, you need to resort to physical violence that shows how pathetic some of you really are. The idea is freedom, free to be stupid but not free to mangle someones property with a bat or kick off a mirror possibly placing others in harms way while driving down the road. Free to display what you like, just like some people display ant-abortion, others have Calvin peeing on a chevy sign, etc.I doubt any of you actually have the nuts to act out your fantasy warrior type shit anyhow. :rolleyes:

Says the guy who wants to act like he's going to do something when someone calls him a dumbass on the internet.

[D]

Come the fuck on PT. Are you really that un-American? Two of the most prominent architectural pieces in this country were taken to the ground because some lawless haji mother fuckers hijacked American aircraft and flew them in to the buildings. The largest (area wise) building in this country had a plane flown in to the side of it. Do you not feel anger and rage when you see fellow "Americans", if you want to call them that, with dumb ass stickers on their car? Jesus, Mary, and Jospeh.

[bcoop]

Says the guy who wants to act like he's going to do something when someone calls him a dumbass on the internet.



LMGDAO!!!!! I forgot about that shit.


DUMBASS!

[White trash wagon]

I think some of you misunderstand what PT said. Re-read it, he mostly states that if you don't like a bumper sticker on someone's car, you don't have the right to assault them or jack with thier car.

Scott

[D]

I think some of you misunderstand what PT said. Re-read it, he mostly states that if you don't like a bumper sticker on someone's car, you don't have the right to assault them or jack with thier car.

Scott

Sure we do. It is a free country right? It's not a crime if you don't get caught...

[cbrjames]

Sure we do. It is a free country right? It's not a crime if you don't get caught...

:D

[Trip McNeely]

I think some of you misunderstand what PT said. Re-read it, he mostly states that if you don't like a bumper sticker on someone's car, you don't have the right to assault them or jack with thier car.

Scott
And I think you need to Re-Read what I said. Its not considered "Free Speech" if it is "likely to incite imminent lawless action". Brandenburg vs. Ohio?

[D]

And I think you need to Re-Read what I said. Its not considered "Free Speech" if it is "likely to incite imminent lawless action". Brandenburg vs. Ohio?

Touche.

[cbrjames]

So yeah, this thread is taking off now! :D

So PT, if someone related to you were gunned down, and the killer got away with it, and displayed it on their vehicle allll the time, and you ran across it, you wouldn't feel enough anger to want to do them or teir vehicle any harm?

[D]

So yeah, this thread is taking off now! :D

So PT, if someone related to you were gunned down, and the killer got away with it, and displayed it on their vehicle allll the time, and you ran across it, you wouldn't feel enough anger to want to do them or teir vehicle any harm?

He will reply "no" for one simple reason, he more than likely has never been put in that kind of situation. The same could be said for most people who critisize 9/11.

[Denny]

I'm taking that bumper sticker as an admission of guilt. Would I be wrong?

[White trash wagon]

And I think you need to Re-Read what I said. Its not considered "Free Speech" if it is "likely to incite imminent lawless action". Brandenburg vs. Ohio?

How could this incite lawless action?

The people on this very thread are showing just how much we are surrounded by idiots. I think what they had on the car was dumb and anti-american but if you are so pathetic that anytime someone displays something that offends you, you need to resort to physical violence that shows how pathetic some of you really are. The idea is freedom, free to be stupid but not free to mangle someones property with a bat or kick off a mirror possibly placing others in harms way while driving down the road. Free to display what you like, just like some people display ant-abortion, others have Calvin peeing on a chevy sign, etc.I doubt any of you actually have the nuts to act out your fantasy warrior type shit anyhow.

[D]

How could this incite lawless action?

The people on this very thread are showing just how much we are surrounded by idiots. I think what they had on the car was dumb and anti-american but if you are so pathetic that anytime someone displays something that offends you, you need to resort to physical violence that shows how pathetic some of you really are. The idea is freedom, free to be stupid but not free to mangle someones property with a bat or kick off a mirror possibly placing others in harms way while driving down the road. Free to display what you like, just like some people display ant-abortion, others have Calvin peeing on a chevy sign, etc.I doubt any of you actually have the nuts to act out your fantasy warrior type shit anyhow.

His quote would not incite lawless action. The person's sticker on the car would, and quite possibly will. I know for a fact that if I saw something like that, the person would get AT VERY LEAST a good ass ripping.

[Pro Trash]

Fixed, for the Liberal. :rolleyes:

I suppose you also feel KKK rally speeches are alright too.

I don't like their message but if they wish to be a group of dumbasses feel free. Also, understanding that freedom does not equate to being a liberal might help you out. You will have to excuse me if I don't agree with you by the way, you are free to call me a liberal no matter how wrong you are but seeing I vote right sided you're kinda wrong. Pardon me if feel as though I spent 10 years in the military protecting the freedoms most dismiss, possibly you, maybe due to ignorance. If you feel attacking a persons car or property is correct when they don't hold your opinion then maybe you would be more comfortable living in China or North Korea where freedom doesn't exist. I don't give two turds if you like my opinion, it isn't like your gonna do anything about it, LOL. This forum is just packed with people patting one another on the back and agreeing that anyone that doesn't agree with their concensus should be somehow attacked. Pardon me for comprehending what the very word freedom means, go get a dictionary commie boy! :rolleyes:

[Pro Trash]

His quote would not incite lawless action. The person's sticker on the car would, and quite possibly will. I know for a fact that if I saw something like that, the person would get AT VERY LEAST a good ass ripping.

Why because you somehow feel you have more right to express your opinion than they do theirs, no matter how wrong they are, this is America jack. I'd tell you to go f*** yourself if I had a bumper sticker you didn't like and you decided to "rip" on me, LOL.

[Pro Trash]

So yeah, this thread is taking off now! :D

So PT, if someone related to you were gunned down, and the killer got away with it, and displayed it on their vehicle allll the time, and you ran across it, you wouldn't feel enough anger to want to do them or teir vehicle any harm?

I don't see how some idiot thinking that 9-11 was a conspiracy of our government can somehow be equated to someone I know being killed. Yes I did know two people who died during the 9-11 attacks personally. I don't think that bumper sticker is being displayed by Osama Bin Laden though, it is being displayed by some idiot here locally who is obviously anti-government. I am not sure how your question applies to freedom, did the bumper sticker make you feel as though they were somehow responsible for the deaths of those we lost during 9-11? Do you feel as though your opinion or freedoms are more valid than other US citizens?

[AL P]

I don't see how some idiot thinking that 9-11 was a conspiracy of our government can somehow be equated to someone I know being killed. Yes I did know two people who died during the 9-11 attacks personally. I don't think that bumper sticker is being displayed by Osama Bin Laden though, it is being displayed by some idiot here locally who is obviously anti-government. I am not sure how your question applies to freedom, did the bumper sticker make you feel as though they were somehow responsible for the deaths of those we lost during 9-11? Do you feel as though your opinion or freedoms are more valid than other US citizens?

Why are you calling them an idiot if their opinion is just as valid as yours?

[Trip McNeely]

I don't like their message but if they wish to be a group of dumbasses feel free. Also, understanding that freedom does not equate to being a liberal might help you out. You will have to excuse me if I don't agree with you by the way, you are free to call me a liberal no matter how wrong you are but seeing I vote right sided you're kinda wrong. Pardon me if feel as though I spent 10 years in the military protecting the freedoms most dismiss, possibly you, maybe due to ignorance. If you feel attacking a persons car or property is correct when they don't hold your opinion then maybe you would be more comfortable living in China or North Korea where freedom doesn't exist. I don't give two turds if you like my opinion, it isn't like your gonna do anything about it, LOL. This forum is just packed with people patting one another on the back and agreeing that anyone that doesn't agree with their concensus should be somehow attacked. Pardon me for comprehending what the very word freedom means, go get a dictionary commie boy! :rolleyes:

Dance Dance Dance around.. I still dont see where you told me a difference in hate speech inciting dangerous bahavior vs. this doing the same thing? Its ok though, your filler words are enough to tell me you dont know what the hell you're talking about.

[Casper]

The people on this very thread are showing just how much we are surrounded by idiots. I think what they had on the car was dumb and anti-american but if you are so pathetic that anytime someone displays something that offends you, you need to resort to physical violence that shows how pathetic some of you really are. The idea is freedom, free to be stupid but not free to mangle someones property with a bat or kick off a mirror possibly placing others in harms way while driving down the road. Free to display what you like, just like some people display ant-abortion, others have Calvin peeing on a chevy sign, etc.I doubt any of you actually have the nuts to act out your fantasy warrior type shit anyhow. :rolleyes:

No shit. Besides, if they really do believe that, it doesn't mean they don't mourn for the loss.

[Casper]

And I think you need to Re-Read what I said. Its not considered "Free Speech" if it is "likely to incite imminent lawless action". Brandenburg vs. Ohio?

Practically anything you say falls under that.

[Trip McNeely]

Practically anything you say falls under that.
?

[jlyon]

i would be SSSOOOO pissed if i was driving down the road and seen that. i think i would have to follow that van and take that sticker off. America has too many cry babies, things need to change, thats for sure

[D]

did the bumper sticker make you feel as though they were somehow responsible for the deaths of those we lost during 9-11?

Honestly? Yes, I do.

[hotrod66stang]

Come the fuck on PT. Are you really that un-American?The biggest un-American thing is this thread is people not wanting others to have the freedom of speech. :rolleyes:

So PT, if someone related to you were gunned down, and the killer got away with it, and displayed it on their vehicle allll the time, and you ran across it, you wouldn't feel enough anger to want to do them or teir vehicle any harm? That's a murderer proclaiming his victory, and rubbing it in your face... which isn't even on the same fucking plane as stating an idea or opinion. Like was stated above, you wouldn't bash the windows out of one of these P.O.S. Chevy Silverados because it had Calvin pissing on the blue oval, and it's no different. The opinion doesn't hurt anyone, so just GTFO it. This is ESPECIALLY ironic because everyone on here jumps to throw the word "liberal" around, and say all they do is whine. Y'all are the only ones whining in this thread. "Waaaa, they have a bumper sticker on their car, Waaaa, I don't agree with it, I woulda kicked their ass...." :rolleyes: .

The second-most un-patriotic thing is this thread is NOT questioning your government.
"A decent and manly examination of the acts of the Government should not only be tolerated, but encouraged."

"To question your government is the most patriotic thing you can do."

-These are both quotes from, you guessed it, Presidents.

Here are a few more, just in case you're open-minded enough to listen to what REAL patriots have to say. The end question is do you want to associate yourself with these patriots, or "patriots" such as John Ashcroft, Cheney, Bush? I already know where history will place them.

We do not believe any group of men adequate enough or wise enough to operate without scrutiny or without criticism. We know that the only way to avoid error is to detect it, that the only way to detect it is to be free to inquire. We know that in secrecy error undetected will flourish and subvert.
Politics is supposed to be the second oldest profession. I have come to realize that it bears a very close resemblance to the first.
Liberty has never come from government. Liberty has always come from the subjects of government. The history of liberty is the history of resistance.
Good intentions will always be pleaded for every assumption of authority. It is hardly too strong to say that the Constitution was made to guard the people against the dangers of good intentions. There are men in all ages who mean to govern well, but they mean to govern. They promise to be good masters, but they mean to be masters. If a nation expects to be ignorant and free in a state of civilization, it expects what never was and never will be... if we are to guard against ignorance and remain free, it is the responsibility of every American to be informed. Be informed, don't just believe blindly, or because John Ashcroft says so :rolleyes: .

[hotrod66stang]

Ok, I lied... here's one more for yaRepublic ... it means people can live free, talk free, go or come, buy or sell, be drunk or sober, however they choose. That comes from one of y'all's favorite guys. A real badass, a real patriot, a real cowboy who loves his country, John Wayne.

[AL P]

Questioning your government is one thing, insisting that it had a hand in the largest terrorist act perpetrated on this country is another thing all together IMO. One of the serious problems in our society is the fact that people have the attitude that radical opinions are "just as valid" as more mainstream well-thought ideas. It has contributed to the dumbing down of our entire country. All of a sudden every fruitcake crackpot with a conspiracy theory shouldn't be publicly shamed for his idiotic thoughts. The anonymity of the internet has multiplied this effect by many times. All of a sudden if it is in print and smothered with enough bullshit it must be true. These people should be humiliated if at all possible. I'd feel great about driving by this asshole and giving him the finger.

Should they be physically beaten? No Should they be able to display their idiotic ideas without recourse from more sane people. Sure they should. Can they? Of course not! The reason why is because their display is irresponsible. Should I be able to leave my car running at the 7-11 with the keys in it when I go in to get a Slurpee? Sure I should. Why don't I? Hell it wouldn't be responsible! Expecting to have a bumper sticker like that on the back of your car and to at the same time not get the shit kicked out of you is just as irresponsible IMO.

[poopnut2]

I don't think that the gov't was solely behind 9/11 but I think that there is more to the story than was originally thought. Watching slow-motion footage of the towers collapsing, you can clearly see implosions on the lower floors as the buildings are collapsing. Also, seriously, where the fuck is the plane that smashed into the pentagon? It sure as hell isn't in the twilight zone.

[David]

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I'm lost why you're stating Brandenburg v. Ohio when it pretty much has no backing on your argument. :confused:

[D]

I don't think that the gov't was solely behind 9/11 but I think that there is more to the story than was originally thought. Watching slow-motion footage of the towers collapsing, you can clearly see implosions on the lower floors as the buildings are collapsing. Also, seriously, where the fuck is the plane that smashed into the pentagon? It sure as hell isn't in the twilight zone.

Jesus Jones...another one...do you hang out with Super Coupe/Tamestang and 92 Notch?

[hotrod66stang]

Jesus Jones...another one...do you hang out with Super Coupe/Tamestang and 92 Notch?No, he's just looking at the UN-ALTERED videotape of the tower going down. There are explosions going down the building several floors ahead of each collapsing floor. It was even stated by a scientist that those were implosions, who later said he was misquoted... his employer... the FBI.

We could all sit and watch and speculate about the Pentagon as well, but the government went to all the surveillance cameras along the way and took the film. :rolleyes:

[AL P]

No, he's just looking at the UN-ALTERED videotape of the tower going down. There are explosions going down the building several floors ahead of each collapsing floor. It was even stated by a scientist that those were implosions, who later said he was misquoted... his employer... the FBI.

We could all sit and watch and speculate about the Pentagon as well, but the government went to all the surveillance cameras along the way and took the film. :rolleyes:

Explain to me why the government would want to blow up the World Trade Center.

[Pro Trash]

Why are you calling them an idiot if their opinion is just as valid as yours?

That is a good question Al, it just seemed to flow easier when I wrote it that way. :D

[D]

No, he's just looking at the UN-ALTERED videotape of the tower going down. There are explosions going down the building several floors ahead of each collapsing floor. It was even stated by a scientist that those were implosions, who later said he was misquoted... his employer... the FBI.

We could all sit and watch and speculate about the Pentagon as well, but the government went to all the surveillance cameras along the way and took the film. :rolleyes:

You're right...it's a government conspiracy...fucking hooligans. When a building collapses the air has to go somewhere...it takes the quickest and easiest route out. The air is being displaced my solid mass and is being forced elsewhere...if you think those were implosions, you need to get a fucking clue....just sayin'.

[1BAD2K]

Oh trust me, i've noticed. And alot of them are on this board. ;)

But really, that just bothered the hell out of me to see that. And they were caucasian(sp?). I might understand if they were some kind of foreigner.
haha yeah, because if they were some type of foreigner, it was an inside job to them :p fuckin bastards

[D]

Explain to me why the government would want to blow up the World Trade Center.

Your guess is just as good as mine Al...

[Pro Trash]

Honestly? Yes, I do.

Well you are free to believe that just as others think that people within our government were responsible for Kennedy's assassination. Does devalue Kennedy's life if Oswald was not the lone assassin? It does not mean the people with the bumper sticker as Casper said "do not mourn the loss", they simply look elsewhere, right or wrong for someone to blame. So you decide to blame someone here in town who didn't fly a plane into the building and most likely does not know Osama personally? in my opinion that is about as logical as the bumper sticker itself, in my opinion of course.

[hotrod66stang]

You're right...it's a government conspiracy...fucking hooligans. When a building collapses the air has to go somewhere...it takes the quickest and easiest route out. The air is being displaced my solid mass and is being forced elsewhere...if you think those were implosions, you need to get a fucking clue....just sayin'.I'm sorry if you don't understand that an implosion comes from somewhere inside, and that it's not the air, or dust that made anyone think that it was an implosion... it was the explosions seen coming from the inside of the building, hence the implosion of the whole building.

[poopnut2]

Explain to me why the government would want to blow up the World Trade Center.

I never said that the gov't set the explosions. I think the plan involved more than the planes though. I mean come on, you hit the upper level of a building with a plane and it takes as long as it did to finally fuck up the infrastructure enough to make the building collapse? Wasn't it in the early 90's when a bomb went off at the BOTTOM of one of the WTC towers, the most likely place to take down an entire building, and it failed?

I don't know if the Gov't would do anything like that. Also, I don't believe that the president knows about everything that goes on within the Gov't. It very well could be an inside job...or at least a job with some inside help. I don't believe that George Bush is responsible though.

[cbrjames]

Oh, and to clear things up, this was not a bumper sticker. This was in huge white tape all over the back windshield!!

[D]

I'm sorry if you don't understand that an implosion comes from somewhere inside, and that it's not the air, or dust that made anyone think that it was an implosion... it was the explosions seen coming from the inside of the building, hence the implosion of the whole building.

What evidence to you, or anyone else have that can prove there were explosives planted in the WTC to cause an implosion? Apparently you didn't see the discussion a few months back...jet fuel burning that hot that long causing everything above the levels that were burning to fall is enough to cause the building to collapse. But of course, you, like the rest of the moonbats looking to put the blame on someone other than science and physics, wouldn't believe that.

[D]

I never said that the gov't set the explosions. I think the plan involved more than the planes though. I mean come on, you hit the upper level of a building with a plane and it takes as long as it did to finally fuck up the infrastructure enough to make the building collapse? Wasn't it in the early 90's when a bomb went off at the BOTTOM of one of the WTC towers, the most likely place to take down an entire building, and it failed?

I don't know if the Gov't would do anything like that. Also, I don't believe that the president knows about everything that goes on within the Gov't. It very well could be an inside job...or at least a job with some inside help. I don't believe that George Bush is responsible though.

The difference is that standard explosives aren't enough to penetrate the core infrastructure. Jet fuel, whether it be Jet-A or JP4 or JP8, burns at close to 3000 degrees...which will fuck up just about anything in it's course. It takes a lot to make that stuff explode, and it takes a lot to put it out...you can hold an open flame to JP8 and it's won't ignite...

[poopnut2]

The difference is that standard explosives aren't enough to penetrate the core infrastructure. Jet fuel, whether it be Jet-A or JP4 or JP8, burns at close to 3000 degrees...which will fuck up just about anything in it's course. It takes a lot to make that stuff explode, and it takes a lot to put it out...you can hold an open flame to JP8 and it's won't ignite...

Still, at where the planes hit, why would it make the building collapse? It's not like the jet fuel heated the frame low on the building. Also, with the pentagon impact, where is any damage from where the wings were on the plane? I know the pentagon is big but the wingspan of a 757 is 124 feet 10 inches, the impact only damaged an area 75ft in diameter. What about the other 50ft of metal coming toward the pentagon at speeds of 500mph?(speed is a guesstimate)

http://pentagon.spacelist.org/images/arielshot-after.jpg

[hotrod66stang]

What evidence to you, or anyone else have that can prove there were explosives planted in the WTC to cause an implosion? Apparently you didn't see the discussion a few months back...jet fuel burning that hot that long causing everything above the levels that were burning to fall is enough to cause the building to collapse. But of course, you, like the rest of the moonbats looking to put the blame on someone other than science and physics, wouldn't believe that.
Actually, I'm the one going by science and physics. I'm also going on video evidence (that shows explosions), the testimony of scientists and engineers, firefighters (who heard the radio transmissions from other firefighters on higher floors saying there were bombs going off, and the FACT that there were so many highly educated people (read: experts) that spoke of explosions, implosions, the metal not being hot enough to bend, etc, that quickly changed their stories and said they were mistaken or misquoted shortly after the stories hit the news. It's also notable that the first scientist to come out and say the building had explosives going off in it, and was imploded, then recanted his story, gets paid by the FBI, pentagon, or whoever. Then there's the whole pentagon thing, which still doesn't make sense, and the fact that the FBI went to all convenience stores, etc en route to the pentagon and confiscated their tapes, with none of them being returned. If it's not a cover-up, why does it look like one? If it walks like a duck, looks like a duck...

I never said that our government did anything, but that they're not giving us the whole story, which unfortunately happens a lot. I'm looking at the facts. You're just listening to what you're told by those that stand to gain by lying. I mean, that would be like saying Nixon really didn't know what was on his White House tapes that were confiscated, and there was like 10 minutes missing. Scientists have analyzed the recordings and determined he went over the same spot about 8 times to erase the info, so no one could retrieve any kind of audio. Keep on believing what you're told, be a good little boy. While you're at it, our government NEVER introduced cocaine and other drugs into America in mass quantities to fund CIA operations :rolleyes: . I bet this'll blow your mind... Lee Harvey Oswald was the lone shooter...with a magic bullet :D .

I'll leave you with one point to consider. When was the last time you saw an honest politician who cared about doing what's right for the people? Those kind don't make it far, because you have to be a sell-out to make it big. The big ones ultimately only care about re-election and putting on a facade.

[AL P]

What would the government have to gain by lying?

[AL P]

I never said that the gov't set the explosions. I think the plan involved more than the planes though. I mean come on, you hit the upper level of a building with a plane and it takes as long as it did to finally fuck up the infrastructure enough to make the building collapse? Wasn't it in the early 90's when a bomb went off at the BOTTOM of one of the WTC towers, the most likely place to take down an entire building, and it failed?


If the plan involved more than planes, lets say that the terrorists rigged the whole building to blow, what would be the motivation for covering that up? The bomb in the early 90s was a joke.

[racegirl]

What would the government have to gain by lying?

But YOU my friend...you ALSO exploded the levy during Katrina. So see, it wasn't the government afterall, just a bitter old man!

And, no, I don't care to even try and argue or put in an opinioin on this topic because everything that has ever happened in history (including all natural disasters) have been the presidents "fault" and/or a government conspiracy. So we may as well all just go ahead and deal with the fact that "they" are out to get us (obviously some races more than others).

[AL P]

But YOU my friend...you ALSO exploded the levy during Katrina. So see, it wasn't the government afterall, just a bitter old man!

And, no, I don't care to even try and argue or put in an opinioin on this topic because everything that has ever happened in history (including all natural disasters) have been the presidents "fault" and/or a government conspiracy. So we may as well all just go ahead and deal with the fact that "they" are out to get us (obviously some races more than others).

I did it because chicks dig conspiracy theories...

[Justa4banger]

The president was behind all this........................ or wait............... i think i watch too many episodes of 24 hrs

[mikecobra95]

Believe it or not I believe some of what Poopnut is saying. Especially on the Pentagon incident. I also believe that the plane that "Crashed" in Pennsylvania was really shot down by US Air forces, not taken over by the passengers.

I do think what happened was of course planned by outside individuals, but I still think the gov't knew a hell of a lot more than they let on. To me, if you honestly think the gov't has publically told you everyhting it knows about these situations, you are totally blind to reality. Even if you can handle the truth of what really happened that day, the majority of the general public can not. There are many layers of cover ups going on, and all of us will never know the truth in whole.

But that is just my opinion.

I love America, feel sorry for all the innocent lost lives, and I do fear for my life when I travel over seas. But I also know the government is covering the whole truth up from the general public...........

But again, just my opinion...............

[racegirl]

Believe it or not I believe some of what Poopnut is saying. Especially on the Pentagon incident. I also believe that the plane that "Crashed" in Pennsylvania was really shot down by US Air forces, not taken over by the passengers.

I do think what happened was of course planned by outside individuals, but I still think the gov't knew a hell of a lot more than they let on. To me, if you honestly think the gov't has publically told you everyhting it knows about these situations, you are totally blind to reality. Even if you can handle the truth of what really happened that day, the majority of the general public can not. There are many layers of cover ups going on, and all of us will never know the truth in whole.

But that is just my opinion.

I love America, feel sorry for all the innocent lost lives, and I do fear for my life when I travel over seas. But I also know the government is covering the whole truth up from the general public...........

But again, just my opinion...............

I agree that there may be certain things they are with holding for whatever reason...lets just say national security o something as simple as that or maybe something more complicated, but a conspiracy theory is just plain ignorant.

[cbrjames]

Believe it or not I believe some of what Poopnut is saying. Especially on the Pentagon incident. I also believe that the plane that "Crashed" in Pennsylvania was really shot down by US Air forces, not taken over by the passengers.

I do think what happened was of course planned by outside individuals, but I still think the gov't knew a hell of a lot more than they let on. To me, if you honestly think the gov't has publically told you everyhting it knows about these situations, you are totally blind to reality. Even if you can handle the truth of what really happened that day, the majority of the general public can not. There are many layers of cover ups going on, and all of us will never know the truth in whole.

But that is just my opinion.

I love America, feel sorry for all the innocent lost lives, and I do fear for my life when I travel over seas. But I also know the government is covering the whole truth up from the general public...........

But again, just my opinion...............

Dude, i totally agree with everything you just said.

And as stated earlier from someone, what would our government gain by doing something so stupid and harmful? Not a damn thing! Another reason to start a war somewhere else? Pffft, why do we ever need a reason?

[mikecobra95]

I agree that there may be certain things they are with holding for whatever reason...lets just say national security o something as simple as that or maybe something more complicated, but a conspiracy theory is just plain ignorant.


I have just come to accept the fact we will never know the truth, but I will be damned if I believe what they force feed the media. Open your mind...........

[Denny]

I suggested the PA crash might have been from USAF shooting it down and only got glares. :confused:

[mikecobra95]

I suggested the PA crash might have been from USAF shooting it down and only got glares. :confused:

Besides all the conspiracy theories out there, on 9/11 I was watching the TV like every other American out there, watching the events unfold. My Dad had Fox News on cable turned on. A report came out saying another plane over PA appeared to be heading to Washington DC and the US Air Force has dispatched fighter planes to escort the plane down.

After this inital on air report, nothing was ever said again about this. NOthing. To top it off, the anchor who reported this has never been seen again on FOX news. Also there are no witnesses on the ground who ever verified that the plane just simply lost control and crashed. I smell cover up.... but just my opinion.......Too many missing pieces to that puzzle.

[LMPChris]

Here is what I don't understand.... WHY is it so hard for people to believe that terrorist fucks who sit around jerking off to their little books wanting to kill others who are not like them and have been doing this for thousands of years are not the ones responsible for these actions????


No it couldn't be these jackoffs cause you know they never cause trouble anywhere....


Take your head out of your ass and realize their are people that hate our way of life and will stop at nothing to kill us. YOU don't believe me??? Give Iran the chance to get a bomb and tell me what happens. I guess that will be blaimed on our government too!

[Denny]

Here is what I don't understand.... WHY is it so hard for people to believe that terrorist fucks who sit around jerking off to their little books wanting to kill others who are not like them and have been doing this for thousands of years are not the ones responsible for these actions????


No it couldn't be these jackoffs cause you know they never cause trouble anywhere....


Take your head out of your ass and realize their are people that hate our way of life and will stop at nothing to kill us. YOU don't believe me??? Give Iran the chance to get a bomb and tell me what happens. I guess that will be blaimed on our government too!
Irancontrawha??? ;)

[mikecobra95]

Here is what I don't understand.... WHY is it so hard for people to believe that terrorist fucks who sit around jerking off to their little books wanting to kill others who are not like them and have been doing this for thousands of years are not the ones responsible for these actions????


No it couldn't be these jackoffs cause you know they never cause trouble anywhere....


Take your head out of your ass and realize their are people that hate our way of life and will stop at nothing to kill us. YOU don't believe me??? Give Iran the chance to get a bomb and tell me what happens. I guess that will be blaimed on our government too!


I know you ar enot referring to me on this one. I agree with you on the terrorists being responsible for these events. Read my original post......

But I do believe our Government has a huge role in covering alot of information on these events up.

Hell the majority of my family lives in Ireland. I was there to visit 3 months ago. I know theat the majority of Irish people hate America, you don't have to tell me there are people out there who hate us more. Most Americans are blind to the fact the MAJORITY of the world, really hates us and our way of life........

[LMPChris]

I know you ar enot referring to me on this one. I agree with you on the terrorists being responsible for these events. Read my original post......

But I do believe our Government has a huge role in covering alot of information on these events up.

Hell the majority of my family lives in Ireland. I was there to visit 3 months ago. I know theat the majority of Irish people hate America, you don't have to tell me there are people out there who hate us more. Most Americans are blind to the fact the MAJORITY of the world, really hates us and our way of life........


I am only talking to the people who insist that something more happened. There is nothing to gain for our government to cover up what happened. Sure there are pictures you may not see cause the pentagon is kinda a secret place last time I checked and sure we may not tell every single way we are finding out how terrorists are planning things but trust me it is not G.W. trying to kill off Americans.... It is dumbass radical Muslims who can't even get along with each other.

[racegirl]

I have just come to accept the fact we will never know the truth, but I will be damned if I believe what they force feed the media. Open your mind...........

Oh trust me, I'm not arguing with you. You don't have to preach (not meant derogatory) to me about how terribly rediculously distorted our media makes things out to be...or not to be for that fact.

[LMPChris]

[QUOTE=mikecobra95]
Hell the majority of my family lives in Ireland. QUOTE]


I am Irish/Italian..... Hell I don't even like myself :D

[racegirl]

I am only talking to the people who insist that something more happened. There is nothing to gain for our government to cover up what happened. Sure there are pictures you may not see cause the pentagon is kinda a secret place last time I checked and sure we may not tell every single way we are finding out how terrorists are planning things but trust me it is not G.W. trying to kill off Americans.... It is dumbass radical Muslims who can't even get along with each other.

I like your way of thinking sir. Want to be friends?

[LMPChris]

I like your way of thinking sir. Want to be friends?


Sure! I wouldn't tell anyone else if I were you though cause I don't think anyone else likes me.... :D

[AL P]

I am only talking to the people who insist that something more happened. There is nothing to gain for our government to cover up what happened. Sure there are pictures you may not see cause the pentagon is kinda a secret place last time I checked and sure we may not tell every single way we are finding out how terrorists are planning things but trust me it is not G.W. trying to kill off Americans.... It is dumbass radical Muslims who can't even get along with each other.

There are lots of things we don't know about 9/11 and I'll agree that it is certainly possible that the plane in Pennsylvania was shot down. All they would need to do is fabricate flight data recordings which wouldn't be hard. Everyone you would need to silence in order to cover it up would be a federal employee which means you would have leverage on them. Furthermore, the plan crashed at an ungodly speed and an angle where it basically flew straight into the ground so its not an eyewitness would even see that much. If you hit the control surfaces of the plan with a gun (instead of a missile) then the physical evidence wouldn't even be that significant after the crash so it would be that much easier to conceal. Keep in mind I'm not saying that I think that is what is happened, I have no evidence, just saying it is possible.

As for the crazy Muslims, what we need to do is to get the idiots who want to kill each other over what their silly little book says to JUST kill each other. It seems like that is pretty close to what is happening in Baghdad.

[racegirl]

There are lots of things we don't know about 9/11 and I'll agree that it is certainly possible that the plane in Pennsylvania was shot down. All they would need to do is fabricate flight data recordings which wouldn't be hard. Everyone you would need to silence in order to cover it up would be a federal employee which means you would have leverage on them. Furthermore, the plan crashed at an ungodly speed and an angle where it basically flew straight into the ground so its not an eyewitness would even see that much. If you hit the control surfaces of the plan with a gun (instead of a missile) then the physical evidence wouldn't even be that significant after the crash so it would be that much easier to conceal. Keep in mind I'm not saying that I think that is what is happened, I have no evidence, just saying it is possible.

As for the crazy Muslims, what we need to do is to get the idiots who want to kill each other over what their silly little book says to JUST kill each other. It seems like that is pretty close to what is happening in Baghdad.

Al....did you you that you are almost like a god....almost

[Casper]

If the plan involved more than planes, lets say that the terrorists rigged the whole building to blow, what would be the motivation for covering that up? The bomb in the early 90s was a joke.

If they set up bombs and the bombs were what took the building down, then why in the world would they bother with the whole plane thingie? I mean, at least fly them into a different target as the towers are covered by the "inside denolitions team".

The only plausible scenario I could see is that multiple parties knew of the attempt to hijack the planes, allowed it to happen, and in fact insured the success of the mission, an then insured the complete collapse of the buildings.

It was a major conspiracy to make an ex-mayor look good to his former constituents, right? Unfortunately there are those who will believe this sort of thing because they WANT to believe this sort of thing. And that doesn't mean their outrage is lacking, just (IMO) misplaced.

PS: Most demolitions have all the power completely removed along with any wiring, plumbing, etc. The towers fell under fire conditions, which would have left power on, even to the elevators (the panel is disabled without keyed access in that case). There could very easily be minor explosions as floors collapsed. You are talking about floorspaces that have their own zip codes. I don't know how you can identify anything that happened as an "implosion" that wasn't the result of mechanical design.

[Casper]

To top it off, the anchor who reported this has never been seen again on FOX news.

Actually Tony Snow is the White House press secretary. I know, they bought him off!

[D]

Why the fuck would anyone think it is an implosion. So far, from what I have read, the only people who think it was an implosion are the ones who do not know how hot jet fuel burns, how long it burns, and that it can melt metal. The weight of the buildings above where the fire was, where the planes hit, was enough to bring down the rest of the building once the initial collapse started. I have read more on the infrastructure and structural integrity on these buildings than most. But then again, since the government did it, all of what I know can be tossed out the window.

So since this was a government cover up, I'm going to go out on a limb here. Let's say the Kobar towers was a cover up, the USS Cole is a cover up, the basement bombing in the WTC was a cover up, and so were the US Embassy bombings. Those events were all government related, and covered up so that the US public would think it was terrorists and they would in turn suggest the current President to pay them off.

06LGGT - I don't dislike you, yet. ;)

racegirl - Why can't we be friends?

[David]

Nothing about 9/11 surprises me anymore from any standpoint.

I'm just more or less surprised that nothing of significant value has happened here stateside in the last 5 yrs.

[Casper]

Nothing about 9/11 surprises me anymore from any standpoint.

I'm just more or less surprised that nothing of significant value has happened here stateside in the last 5 yrs.

MORE PROOF IT IS A CONSPIRACY! Aha!

Maybe a bunch of stuff has happened and it is being suppressed?

Maybe nothing ever did happen and we are being fooled? NYC may not even exist? When you fly there they just circle around for a few hours and land you in a fake city aut by Commerce.

[Pro Trash]

LOL, I could give a dam right now if there was a conspiracy my main argument was free speech. The idea is someone has a sticker on their window that says it was an inside job. Maybe they meant the government, maybe they meant someone affiliated with the terrorists had dealings with the WTC and they were the inside link, who knows? The point I had was not a conspiracy but how is it that one citizen has more rights then another under our Constitution? I have no issue with Bush, the war in Iraq, etc, the fact is we haven't had any terrorist attacks on our homeland since 9-11, so I am satisfied.

My question is, who here feels justified to take a batt to someone's car or kick that car because the sticker offends them. I guess they would then have the right to kick your ass or ram your car or bike because your actions essentially offended them, correct? If I am wrong please clarify what gives you the right to attack them for being offended but this standard does not apply to them when offended by you?

[poopnut2]

If the plan involved more than planes, lets say that the terrorists rigged the whole building to blow, what would be the motivation for covering that up? The bomb in the early 90s was a joke.

The logical explanation is to save themselves the embarassment. :confused:

The hijacking of planes is possible. Especially at the time, it was probably relatively easy. However, all of those explosives going undetected for however long? Ouch.

[LMPChris]

06LGGT - I don't dislike you, yet. ;)

racegirl - Why can't we be friends?



Cool when you get back to the states I will take you skydiving and make sure you get a good rig since you don't dislike me :D

[AL P]

The logical explanation is to save themselves the embarassment. :confused:

The hijacking of planes is possible. Especially at the time, it was probably relatively easy. However, all of those explosives going undetected for however long? Ouch.

Save who the embarassment? The building management? You do realize that every office building of that size has 24 hour engineering and security staff on site don't you?

[poopnut2]

Save who the embarassment? The building management? You do realize that every office building of that size has 24 hour engineering and security staff on site don't you?

The fact that multiple explosives set in the WTC would be an embarassment to United States security, not just the buildings private security. To set explosives on who knows how many levels, undetected would take quite a while to do. Someone should've noticed something. There's just too many shady aspects of the whole thing for it to be as clear cut as three planes being hijacked.

Anyone who thinks the gov't set 9/11 up to gain support for war is just a Bush hating moron. We went to war with Iraq b/c we thought he had nuclear arms, which I'm sure he did at the time. Every country wants to be a nuclear capable country. 9/11 was not needed to go to war with Iraq. I do however think that the government is covering something up that would make them look bad though. To what extent? I don't know, and probably never will.

[AL P]

The fact that multiple explosives set in the WTC would be an embarassment to United States security, not just the buildings private security. To set explosives on who knows how many levels, undetected would take quite a while to do. Someone should've noticed something. There's just too many shady aspects of the whole thing for it to be as clear cut as three planes being hijacked.

Anyone who thinks the gov't set 9/11 up to gain support for war is just a Bush hating moron. We went to war with Iraq b/c we thought he had nuclear arms, which I'm sure he did at the time. Every country wants to be a nuclear capable country. 9/11 was not needed to go to war with Iraq. I do however think that the government is covering something up that would make them look bad though. To what extent? I don't know, and probably never will.

Ask Denny if he had nuclear weapons.

So do you propose that someone snuck into the World Trade Center and set up explosives on several floors without building management, security and engineering knowing about it or do you think they were in on it?

[mikeb]

Wasn't it in the early 90's when a bomb went off at the BOTTOM of one of the WTC towers, the most likely place to take down an entire building, and it failed?


The world trade center was an exoskeleton building. This means that the building was supported from the outside perimiter instead of from internal structures. So blowing out the parking garage would not/did not collapse the building.

I mean come on, you hit the upper level of a building with a plane and it takes as long as it did to finally fuck up the infrastructure enough to make the building collapse?

The initial impacts from the planes damaged the exoskeletons, and the burning jet fuel/carpet/drywall/plastic/paper/paint/chairs/desks etc heated the remaining, overstressed steel ENOUGH (not necessarily melting it) to cause it to lose structural integrity. After that the floors simply pancaked down to floor level. The buildings used the exoskeleton and a central core weight bearing structure with large spans of floor between the inside load bearing core and the outside load bearing structure. This means that there were not the usual pillars you see in ordinary high rise construction present. Interrupt the integrity of either the exoskeleton or the central core and the building was going to come down.

Hell I can heat metal with my MAP torch enough to easily bend it without melting it. There is a difference between the heat necessary for metal to lose structural integrity, and the heat necessary to melt it into globs.

The "explosions" were trapped air on each floor escaping. I expect that a collapsing building builds thousands of PSI as each floor pancakes.

I will allow that there are probably many, many things that we are not aware of on 9/11 and the war on terror, but I do not subscribe to the theory that our own government had a hand in these events. It was clearly the work of terrorists.

[racegirl]

racegirl - Why can't we be friends?

Ok, ok...I didn't read the whole thread but can safely assume that we have very similar feelings on the situation...so, yea, we can be friends ;)

**on a side note. This AF recruiter is starting to drive me bananas LOL.

[AL P]

Al....did you you that you are almost like a god....almost

That's right baby, worship me!

[D]

Cool when you get back to the states I will take you skydiving and make sure you get a good rig since you don't dislike me :D

Fuck an A dude. I'm down for some skydiving. I have an issue with jumping out of perfectly sound aircraft, but I'm still game. I won't do any of that static line crap though...I'll do a tandem jump, but no static line. A good rig would be key though.

[D]

The world trade center was an exoskeleton building. This means that the building was supported from the outside perimiter instead of from internal structures. So blowing out the parking garage would not/did not collapse the building.



The initial impacts from the planes damaged the exoskeletons, and the burning jet fuel/carpet/drywall/plastic/paper/paint/chairs/desks etc heated the remaining, overstressed steel ENOUGH (not necessarily melting it) to cause it to lose structural integrity. After that the floors simply pancaked down to floor level. The buildings used the exoskeleton and a central core weight bearing structure with large spans of floor between the inside load bearing core and the outside load bearing structure. This means that there were not the usual pillars you see in ordinary high rise construction present. Interrupt the integrity of either the exoskeleton or the central core and the building was going to come down.

Hell I can heat metal with my MAP torch enough to easily bend it without melting it. There is a difference between the heat necessary for metal to lose structural integrity, and the heat necessary to melt it into globs.

The "explosions" were trapped air on each floor escaping. I expect that a collapsing building builds thousands of PSI as each floor pancakes.

I will allow that there are probably many, many things that we are not aware of on 9/11 and the war on terror, but I do not subscribe to the theory that our own government had a hand in these events. It was clearly the work of terrorists.

But according to hotrod66stang and his physics expertise, that doesn't make any sense. But what do we know right? I tried to explain the same thing you did, minus the exoskeleton stuff, and it was pushed over.

[360 Notch]

George Bush

1. hates black people.
2. made baby jesus cry
3. designed the faulty levees in N.O.
4. tried to blow up america
5. rigged the presidental election
6. lives off the work bill clinton did for the nation
7. owns the oil companies
8. wants to make iraq a US state





btw, freedom of speech is a good thing untill someone says some stupid stuff that isnt checked by the more intellegent population in the nation. Stupid people and ignorant speech is like a cancer that unchecked causes a poplulation to go stupid.


we need something to even up the dumbass to common sence ratio of our population... (a few more hurricane Katrinas would do fine)

[D]

George Bush

1. hates black people.
2. made baby jesus cry
3. designed the faulty levees in N.O.
4. tried to blow up america
5. rigged the presidental election
6. lives off the work bill clinton did for the nation
7. owns the oil companies
8. wants to make iraq a US state





btw, freedom of speech is a good thing untill someone says some stupid stuff that isnt checked by the more intellegent population in the nation. Stupid people and ignorant speech is like a cancer that unchecked causes a poplulation to go stupid.


we need something to even up the dumbass to common sence ratio of our population... (a few more hurricane Katrinas would do fine)

Don't forget that it's Bush's fault that the Native Americans live on reservations and we stole their land from them.

[LMPChris]

Fuck an A dude. I'm down for some skydiving. I have an issue with jumping out of perfectly sound aircraft, but I'm still game. I won't do any of that static line crap though...I'll do a tandem jump, but no static line. A good rig would be key though.


Consider yourself hooked up! When you get back I will get you a tandem jump with a hot little red head with green eyes. When she asked if you are ready to jump you will say yes!


Chris

[GT Dan]

I kindly flipped them the bird as i rode by.

I didn't recognize you with your helmet on... :rolleyes:

I find it amazing that people think this was some kind of government sponsored conspiracy... Bush and Rumsfield are like Pinky and the Brain and I just cant figure out, for the life of me, how they could pull off something this big.

If they weren't smart enough to plant Weapons of Mass Destruction in Iraq, how in the hell did they manage to take down the World Trade Center and part of the Pentagon.

Come on now, if you're going to take over the world, why not make it as convincing as possible...

[D]

Consider yourself hooked up! When you get back I will get you a tandem jump with a hot little red head with green eyes. When she asked if you are ready to jump you will say yes!


Chris

As long as she doesn't slip a finger in my ass, I'm good to go.

[poopnut2]

Ask Denny if he had nuclear weapons.

So do you propose that someone snuck into the World Trade Center and set up explosives on several floors without building management, security and engineering knowing about it or do you think they were in on it?

Either A: Someone snuck in, or B:Someone that worked at the WTC, was connected to the terrorist attack.

This is all just speculation of course. I'd like to think our gov't doesn't lie to us, but it's naive to think that.

[D]

Either A: Someone snuck in, or B:Someone that worked at the WTC, was connected to the terrorist attack.

This is all just speculation of course. I'd like to think our gov't doesn't lie to us, but it's naive to think that.

There is a difference between lying and not telling. The government doesn't tell the public everything, and rightfully so. I wish I didn't know some of the things I do...couldn't image if the entire country knew...

But for anyone who claims to be an American to say that they think our own government had a hand in flying aircraft in to three symbols of our country, they should take a hit to the knees with a tire iron. Granted, there are some things about 9-11-01 that I'm positive the government hasn't publicly released, but then again, that's why we have classification.

Poopnut, consider option C: there were no implosions...what appeared to be implosions was actually air being displaced and finding the quickest, most direct route out...through the windows and out of the bottom floor.

[poopnut2]

There is a difference between lying and not telling. The government doesn't tell the public everything, and rightfully so. I wish I didn't know some of the things I do...couldn't image if the entire country knew...

But for anyone who claims to be an American to say that they think our own government had a hand in flying aircraft in to three symbols of our country, they should take a hit to the knees with a tire iron. Granted, there are some things about 9-11-01 that I'm positive the government hasn't publicly released, but then again, that's why we have classification.

Poopnut, consider option C: there were no implosions...what appeared to be implosions was actually air being displaced and finding the quickest, most direct route out...through the windows and out of the bottom floor.

It's hard to consider option C when there are eyewitness accounts of hearing explosions within the building.

[D]

It's hard to consider option C when there are eyewitness accounts of hearing explosions within the building.

And how many of those "eyewitness" accounts would know the difference in sound between explosives and a building collapsing?

[poopnut2]

And how many of those "eyewitness" accounts would know the difference in sound between explosives and a building collapsing?

They were firemen and police officers, so probably a few of them.

[D]

They were firemen and police officers, so probably a few of them.

I don't buy that for a minute....in the heat of the moment a damn car backfiring could be considered an explosion...

[poopnut2]

I don't buy that for a minute...

I never got that saying. What does it mean? I think the only thing you buy per minute is a hooker.

Anyways, I don't know for sure. No use arguing about it.

[D]

I never got that saying. What does it mean? I think the only thing you buy per minute is a hooker.

Anyways, I don't know for sure. No use arguing about it.

We're not arguing...just voicing our difference of opinions.

I don't know what it means either...just a figure of speech I guess? Go Broncos?

[mikeb]

It's hard to consider option C when there are eyewitness accounts of hearing explosions within the building.

You ever heard a 18 wheeler tire blow out? Makes a huge explosion sound, and it's only 100psi. I imagine that at the rate that building was coming down the pressure inside the building was far higher than 100psi immediately below the pancaking floors.

[Cartman]

His quote would not incite lawless action. The person's sticker on the car would, and quite possibly will. I know for a fact that if I saw something like that, the person would get AT VERY LEAST a good ass ripping.
I sure hope you are black, that way you can use the "angry black man" as your reason for uncalled for violence. which came from the LA riot as a reason to why they couldn't help themselves and burn down stores and loot stores in their own hood.

Do i agree with said statement, I wouldn't put it past bush to do what he has to do to get his war, but I am going to assume he didn't. would that piss me off not really, if I let the dumb things people do affect me I wouldn't get anything done.

and your arguement of if someone killed his family and someone said it was an inside job, makes no sense. the problem with 9-11 is something like 6 of the so called hi-jackers were found alive and well in other countries. one was even in class at a school during that time. if you want to compare it to something try the JFK fiasco.

go ahead and flame away. :cool:

edit some of what I put here was in this thread already.

[D]

I sure hope you are black, that way you can use the "angry black man" as your reason for uncalled for violence. which came from the LA riot as a reason to why they couldn't help themselves and burn down stores and loot stores in their own hood.

Do i agree with said statement, I wouldn't put it past bush to do what he has to do to get his war, but I am going to assume he didn't. would that piss me off not really, if I let the dumb things people do affect me I wouldn't get anything done.

and your arguement of if someone killed his family and someone said it was an inside job, makes no sense. the problem with 9-11 is something like 6 of the so called hi-jackers were found alive and well in other countries. one was even in class at a school during that time. if you want to compare it to something try the JFK fiasco.

go ahead and flame away. :cool:

edit some of what I put here was in this thread already.
I'm white, but thanks for your concern. The reason behind me saying I would rip that person a new one is because I consider myself to be a red blooded American. I don't take my freedoms for granted, and I am very grateful and appreciative for the sacrafices those before me have made to ensure my freedom. For someone to suggest that our own government had a hand in 9-11 makes my blood boil. How could someone be so ungrateful for everything they have as an American? It's beyond me.

[Cartman]

I'm white, but thanks for your concern. The reason behind me saying I would rip that person a new one is because I consider myself to be a red blooded American. I don't take my freedoms for granted, and I am very grateful and appreciative for the sacrafices those before me have made to ensure my freedom. For someone to suggest that our own government had a hand in 9-11 makes my blood boil. How could someone be so ungrateful for everything they have as an American? It's beyond me.
but according to the the hearing the cia knew they were going to use planes as weapons and bush did nothing, wouldn't that sort of make the gov to blame for a little of it?

what about JFK, you don't think some part of the gov had something to do with it? even if they just let it happen.

any and all gov do things like this, might be for control over the people, to get into a war, to cover up something they don't want to get out, etc...


not saying they were involved but at the same time it just seems funny to me how everything went down, and I know how much bush wanted his war.

and part of being a "red blooded american" is saying what those people said, even if you don't agree with it. by you saying what you said, had you acted on it, you would have violated that person right to be a "red blooded american" why is it ok for you to voice your opinion and not others.

just asking, I am curious as to how you and other like you think. :)

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but according to the the hearing the cia knew they were going to use planes as weapons and bush did nothing, wouldn't that sort of make the gov to blame for a little of it?

what about JFK, you don't think some part of the gov had something to do with it? even if they just let it happen.

any and all gov do things like this, might be for control over the people, to get into a war, to cover up something they don't want to get out, etc...


not saying they were involved but at the same time it just seems funny to me how everything went down, and I know how much bush wanted his war.

and part of being a "red blooded american" is saying what those people said, even if you don't agree with it. by you saying what you said, had you acted on it, you would have violated that person right to be a "red blooded american" why is it ok for you to voice your opinion and not others.

just asking, I am curious as to how you and other like you think. :)

What I say I would do and what I would do are different. It's all circumstantial. I can sit here behind my computer and say that if I saw someone with that sticker I would do something, when in reality I would just probably drive up next to them and flip them off and mouth "fuck you" to them.

I don't buy in to government conspiracies at all, regardless of the situation. People look too deep in to things and that gets their wheels spinning. I tend to see things more for what they are and not what they could have been or what other things lie behind the obvious facts. I don't make an extra effort to try and find things that aren't there. Things are what they are to me, and nothing more.

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You ever heard a 18 wheeler tire blow out? Makes a huge explosion sound, and it's only 100psi. I imagine that at the rate that building was coming down the pressure inside the building was far higher than 100psi immediately below the pancaking floors.


Not to mention the amplification of the explosion as a result of the close quarters of the surrounding buldings...

[Super Coupe]

To much crap does not add up for the whole truth to be told.

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To much crap does not add up for the whole truth to be told.

We all know how you and your butt lover feel about the events on that day...no need for you to come in here and stir it up again. We were all doing fine without you.