Frame broken on Busa

[VETTKLR]

I just picked up a bike from a member of the site...

http://www.dfwstangs.net/classifieds/showproduct.php?product=25674&sort=1&cat=5&page=2

Bike was listed as being in great condition, but tonight I was trying to chase down the wiring for the horn...It was a little odd that it was missing, but I had to get it chased down for an inspection sticker..

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v133/vettklr/Hayabusa/BrokenFrame007.jpg

I noticed some small rubs on the corners of the frame and couldn't figure out what the hell caused it.

I took off both sides of the fairing to find that sucker with a drop light and found this on the right side:
This is the bar that runs across the frame, just above the engine's head.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v133/vettklr/Hayabusa/BrokenFrame005.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v133/vettklr/Hayabusa/BrokenFrame002.jpg

Here's a pic of it from a little farther back to get the idea of what I'm talkin about
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v133/vettklr/Hayabusa/BrokenFrame006.jpg


Left side isn't cracked all the way through like the right side, but it's broken as well...
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v133/vettklr/Hayabusa/BrokenFrame010.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v133/vettklr/Hayabusa/BrokenFrame011.jpg

What the hell would cause that thing to break??? :confused:

...and more importantly, can anyone get ahold of the guy (John Huebener/Hurley on this site) that took my money for this thing? I've got 6 grand in a broken bike...$560 in an Arai helmet that's supposed to be here Saturday and a brand new Joe Rocket jacket that's just gonna have to sit in the damn closet! :mad:

[SNEAKY]

is it possible he did not know it was cracked? and have you tried to contact him ?

http://www.dfwstangs.net/forums/member.php?u=1842

[BigBlue]

You can't just reweld that break?

[VETTKLR]

is it possible he did not know it was cracked? and have you tried to contact him ?

http://www.dfwstangs.net/forums/member.php?u=1842

It's as possible as anything else, I suppose. I've tried calling him at least 3 times now and no reply...Tonight, the phone picked up, then hung up. I called right back and got his voice mail. Left a message to call me back as soon as possible.


You can't just reweld that break? To me, it looks repairable. However, I'm nowhere near a motorcycle mechanic and have no clue what caused the break...or how much it would cost to repair it.

I'm damn sure gonna make some calls tomorrow though!

[Craizie]

its kinda hard to tell where the break is, but i bet it was from setting wheelies down to hard.

[SNEAKY]

Jameb is a damn good welder, as is Turbostang. just FYI

[VETTKLR]

its kinda hard to tell where the break is, but i bet it was from setting wheelies down to hard.

Hell yeah, the whole thing is black as night, so it's kinda hard to tell where this piece is.

Best description is just above the head of the engine and straight back from the radiator.


Hopefully, tomorrow I'll be able to get in touch with him about it and get everything straightened up. I love the bike but a cracked frame ain't gonna cut it.

Jameb is a damn good welder, as is Turbostang. just FYI

Cool! I'll keep em in mind! Thanks for the help! :cool:

[stunter bob]

damn man that really sux to hear....he might not have known it was broken...or he might have...you will never know
if i was you id see if he would refund you a little cash to get it fixed by someone..just to cover the costs would be nice of him

[cbrjames]

damn man that really sux to hear....he might not have known it was broken...or he might have...you will never know
if i was you id see if he would refund you a little cash to get it fixed by someone..just to cover the costs would be nice of him

Werd! Sucks to hear man.

[Adam]

Damn that sucks man at least you caught it now instead of later on.....

[VETTKLR]

Absolutely! This could have been very tragic, to say the least! I keep trying his cell and no luck. I just sent the pics to a bike mechanic in Amarillo to see if the bike's repairable or totalled.

[stunter bob]

well lets hope hes not tryin to fuck you.....id hope not..but i dont know much about the guy

[D]

Dang man. If all else fails though, a good tig weld ought to seal the deal.

[VETTKLR]

I just got off the phone with Yamaha Suzuki of Hurst, TX. He bought it there in Oct. 2004 with 8700 miles on it. I bought it Saturday with 9550 or so miles on it.

I had a buddy go down to San Antonio to help me look over it...he owns an '06 Busa. He noticed the inner fairing that directs air to the radiator was missing, along with almost all the plastic push-rivets on the bike. We didn't even think about yanking off the plastics to inspect everything underneath...I was going off of John's word that it was in great shape.

Ain't nothin like a bad deal. :(

[SNEAKY]

nevermind

[VETTKLR]

I keep calling his cell, but it goes right to his voice mail. I'll try him again on his lunch break.

Yamaha Suzuki of Hurst, TX guarantees all their bikes to be in working order when they sell them, New or Used...I bought it broken...I think I have it narrowed down. :(

[D]

Sounds like you got jipped. Hope you get it worked out.

[SNEAKY]

well, his last post was almost two weeks ago, maybe there is a reason he is not answering.

[cbrjames]

Yeah, i haven't seen him on here in a while. Don't know anything about the guy, but i hope he works it out.

[AnotherRedHead]

Hopefully Hurley is a stand up guy and will do whatever it needs.



But, that place where its cracked isnt a big deal. YOu will need to completely disassemble the bike to the frame, and have it fixed. Alot of turbo bikes take that bar out so to have more room for radiators and turbo tubing. Its not a big deal to remove it and weld it up. But you need to have it stripped to the frame. I could tear it down for you in a day. Why it broke who knows, I would have to ask. That might explain why HUrley suddenly stopped racing his bike and put it for sale though.

Nick
469 767 7978

[VETTKLR]

Just got a call from Hurley about the bike...he seemed just as surprised about it as I did. He told me that he's never had the plastics off the bike, that only Scott @ Cycle Werks serviced it and installed the exhaust.

I sent the pics to a motorcycle mechanic in Amarillo and he said that the rake of the bike was changed when it broke and would never be the same. He also mentioned that there was no telling what else got tweaked. He did say that it could be repaired but wouldn't trust it. :(

John and I will get it all worked out ASAP, and I'll keep y'all posted!

Thanks!

[Lason]

That sucks :(

[frsslt1]

texas is a "buyer beware" state, he might not have even known about it.

[VETTKLR]

Yes, that's what he said. He wasn't aware of it and has never removed the fairings on it.

We'll get it all settled and I'll keep y'all posted.

[stunter bob]

yea let us know man
they always say theyve never had the fairings off of it...lol
i hope it works out in your favor though man..good luck

[VETTKLR]

Hell yeah, he just called back wanting to know what the mechanic in Amarillo said...We're getting it taken care of professionally and cordially so far. :cool:

I sure appreciate call backs like that to set me at ease! I thought I was toast until he called back @ lunch, and again, just now.

[The Raven]

I sent the pics to a motorcycle mechanic in Amarillo and he said that the rake of the bike was changed when it broke and would never be the same.


Turbo guys remove the bar on purpose, yet your's changed the rake? :confused:

[cbrjames]

Turbo guys remove the bar on purpose, yet your's changed the rake? :confused:

Thats kinda what i was thinkin Aaron. Plus, those turbo guys have alot more power, so how could it not be trusted after removing it? Call Scott at Cycle Werkz and ask him there, buddy. He'll set it straight! 817-244-9900

[GARS04]

From what I know of John he's a good guy. If he feels like he's any to blame I'm sure he will take care of it. Does it have any headshake or act weird while your driving it? if not, just get the damn thing welded and move on....... ;)

[VETTKLR]

Cool, thx for Scott's #! I'll give him a shout!

I understand that it could be removed, but why would Suzuki place that there for reinforcement, and more importantly, what would cause the frame to flex outward enough to break the support clean off on one end and fracture the weld on the other side?

When I bought the bike, my hayabusa buddy that rode down there with me noticed the inner, front fairings missing, along with several of the plastic push rivets all over the bike. We took it for granted and didn't even consider taking the fairings off to inspect anything. Like you say, John's a good guy and we did business in a professional matter.

When we got it back to Amarillo, I let a really good rider take her out and tempt him with buying it from me for more than what I had in it. He came back and said that it got unstable right around 160 on the speedo. From there, I posted this: CLICK HERE (http://www.hayabusa.org/cgi-bin/busa/ikonboard.cgi?;act=ST;f=10;t=56149) on the Hayabusa Board to pick the brains of those guys. After talking to the guy that got it up to speed, he said he'd go out to that same stretch of road and look for grooves, uneven pavement, etc. I shrugged off that instability issue and went ahead with getting the bike ready for an inspection sticker. This all came to present itself when I was trying to find the missing horn wires.

So, yes, it does act weird at higher speeds where it should be smooth.


I'll call Scott ASAP and discuss this a little with him. If some of the turbo busa guys (Not the 2 in Amarillo, I just talked to the guy that built them) cut that support off, then why is this thing acting weird at higher speeds???

Oh hell, I hope something else isn't jacked up :(

[VETTKLR]

Turbo guys remove the bar on purpose, yet your's changed the rake? :confused:

The local Suzuki guys are speculating that the bike came down from a hard wheelie or the weight on the nose from a stoppie :eek: It's impossible for them to tell what exactly happened unless they see it personally. From pics and descriptions, they're saying the frame bowed out, breaking that support, effectively changing the rake of the bike and they said with this frame will never be the same again...no jigs to line anything back up...nada.

Hurley and I will get her all lined out tomorrow, hopefully. :cool:

[Thurston]

Cool, thx for Scott's #! I'll give him a shout!

I understand that it could be removed, but why would Suzuki place that there for reinforcement, and more importantly, what would cause the frame to flex outward enough to break the support clean off on one end and fracture the weld on the other side?

When I bought the bike, my hayabusa buddy that rode down there with me noticed the inner, front fairings missing, along with several of the plastic push rivets all over the bike. We took it for granted and didn't even consider taking the fairings off to inspect anything. Like you say, John's a good guy and we did business in a professional matter.

When we got it back to Amarillo, I let a really good rider take her out and tempt him with buying it from me for more than what I had in it. He came back and said that it got unstable right around 160 on the speedo. From there, I posted this: CLICK HERE (http://www.hayabusa.org/cgi-bin/busa/ikonboard.cgi?;act=ST;f=10;t=56149) on the Hayabusa Board to pick the brains of those guys. After talking to the guy that got it up to speed, he said he'd go out to that same stretch of road and look for grooves, uneven pavement, etc. I shrugged off that instability issue and went ahead with getting the bike ready for an inspection sticker. This all came to present itself when I was trying to find the missing horn wires.

So, yes, it does act weird at higher speeds where it should be smooth.


I'll call Scott ASAP and discuss this a little with him. If some of the turbo busa guys (Not the 2 in Amarillo, I just talked to the guy that built them) cut that support off, then why is this thing acting weird at higher speeds???

Oh hell, I hope something else isn't jacked up :(

At 160 mph any bike is going to be unstable to an extent, ive been up to that speed a handful of times. i would guess the crack came from a wheelie coming down to hard. how extensive is the damage? i couldnt answer that. me, personally i would just weld it up, have him knock alittle off the price and keeping riding.

[stunter bob]

At 160 mph any bike is going to be unstable to an extent, ive been up to that speed a handful of times. i would guess the crack came from a wheelie coming down to hard. how extensive is the damage? i couldnt answer that. me, personally i would just weld it up, have him knock alittle off the price and keeping riding.
i dont know what bikes youve been riding..but my gsxr at 160 was so smooth..no headshake at all..u must be riding old broke shit lol

[Super Coupe]

i dont know what bikes youve been riding..but my gsxr at 160 was so smooth..no headshake at all..u must be riding old broke shit lol

You never got headshake because you are freaking slow in the corners and if I recall you about killed yourself with some headshake on the highway. ;)

[stunter bob]

You never got headshake because you are freaking slow in the corners and if I recall you about killed yourself with some headshake on the highway. ;)
yea my front tire was bald
but after i put those race takeoffs i got from you.it was golden

[Stephen]

damn jamey sorry to hear that!! hope you get it fixed cheap

[VETTKLR]

Thanks man...I'm not after cheap, I'm after fair.


I called Scott @ Cycle Werkz...He said he remembered John and the bike...and he told me that he bought the bike wrecked from Yamaha Suzuki of TX...described some runs in the paint and everything...I immediately called John back and he said that Scott must have the bike mixed up with another one, because this one has never been wrecked.

From John's point of view, he believes the bike was in great shape when I bought it and now it's not.

From my point of view, the bike was missing the inner fairing that directs the air to the fan, the lines that power the horn were missing, all the push rivets that connect the upper and lower tail together were gone, which should have set off a red flag to pull the plastics right there. However, the bike drove like a champ at low speeds and we went ahead with the deal.

So....If all else fails, this is what I'm going to propose:

I think he and I need to meet up @ Cycle Werkz with the bike and let Scott arbitrarily go through it with us together.

[stunter bob]

yea let scott check it all over...hes really good at what he does..he will point all the screw ups out

[LS1 pwrd Nova]

Yes, that's what he said. He wasn't aware of it and has never removed the fairings on it.

We'll get it all settled and I'll keep y'all posted.

Hmmm very interesting. :rolleyes:

[VETTKLR]

Well dammit... With the help of some good samaritans on the board, I've been directed to some posts indicating that the bike was indeed wrecked...looks like Scott @ Cycle Werkz was right.

Here's the one that really hurts...

http://www.dfwstangs.net/forums/showthread.php?t=264798

[lolo89cpe]

The truth comes out.... Wow :rolleyes: ...

[bpawl]

Thats bunk as hell, hope he makes it right.

[Cmarsh93z]

Damn...I knew there was somthing fishy about that bike. I remember him posting that up now...what a loser.

Chris

[1985GT]

If you end up getting screwed on the deal, you can probably find a mechanic that can fix the bike good enough for you to still enjoy it and sell without feeling too guilty. Its a shitty deal though. I had to have some "custom" repair work done on one of my gsxr's and it was fine afterwards. The chain broke and slapped the left side of the motor off. the guys that fixed it arent around any more but they were able to machine parts to make it work instead of replacing everything.

[AnotherRedHead]

LOL, how funny.


Thing is, if the frame is tweaked, you should see some movement on the caoting around the neck, maybe strectch marks near the steering head, around that area. Look for distortions in metal and what not. Other than that, just measure the rake angle and check to make sure its ok. Seb at NLR does a short neck modification where he cuts down the steering neck a bit to allow for the bike to be lowered even more without sliding it farther down in the clamps. I figure, if its that tweaked you could tell. You will SURE be able to tell if you pull the motor and what not, it will prob be odd getting it in and out of there. I cant see a wheelie or stoppie doing that to the bike. Thats hitting a curb or something of that nature. Perhaps the radiator got smashed into the frame in that area, and now its fixed. But wheelie or stoppie, sounds like you been talking to someone who does warranty work LOL

[cbrjames]

I could see a wheelie, or stoppie making it do that.....if Adam was ridning it! :D

[stunter bob]

Well dammit... With the help of some good samaritans on the board, I've been directed to some posts indicating that the bike was indeed wrecked...looks like Scott @ Cycle Werkz was right.

Here's the one that really hurts...

http://www.dfwstangs.net/forums/showthread.php?t=264798
man thats fucked up

bitch totally fuckin lied to ya bro..thats just fucked up

[AnotherRedHead]

Id stop baggin on him here or good luck getting your money. I bet he doesnt give it back....why would he, sure heres your money give me back the broke ass bike I been trying to sell for 6 months

[stunter bob]

Id stop baggin on him here or good luck getting your money. I bet he doesnt give it back....why would he, sure heres your money give me back the broke ass bike I been trying to sell for 6 months
true
karma is a bitch though
hope he does the right thing

[Txstang1]

Wow.....looks like he knowingly straight up fuck you over. I hate theives:mad:

[the spindoctor]

LOL, how funny.


Thing is, if the frame is tweaked, you should see some movement on the caoting around the neck, maybe strectch marks near the steering head, around that area. Look for distortions in metal and what not. Other than that, just measure the rake angle and check to make sure its ok. Seb at NLR does a short neck modification where he cuts down the steering neck a bit to allow for the bike to be lowered even more without sliding it farther down in the clamps. I figure, if its that tweaked you could tell. You will SURE be able to tell if you pull the motor and what not, it will prob be odd getting it in and out of there. I cant see a wheelie or stoppie doing that to the bike. Thats hitting a curb or something of that nature. Perhaps the radiator got smashed into the frame in that area, and now its fixed. But wheelie or stoppie, sounds like you been talking to someone who does warranty work LOL

yeah, nicks right. looks like he fucked you over, but you should have checked for something like that, especially since you already saw the missing parts on it. good luck getting your money back, but i wouldn't count on it.

[Cheezebandit]

true
karma is a bitch though
hope he does the right thing

Bad karma isnt something I am trying to get especially riding a motorcycle .. :(

[milk]

Well dammit... With the help of some good samaritans on the board, I've been directed to some posts indicating that the bike was indeed wrecked...looks like Scott @ Cycle Werkz was right.

Here's the one that really hurts...

http://www.dfwstangs.net/forums/showthread.php?t=264798


Damn, what a fuckn shit face,get your money back. Fuck getting shit fixed,he lied to you.

[Goose1]

That sux too hear man, but it seem's too me 90% of the ppl on here selling stuff are scammer's. But Scott @ CycleWerkz knows his stuff and wouldnt lie too you. Man that sux too hear, see if scott can get you a new or used busa frame man?


But you know what scammer's like that always get's whats comming too them. That's why i would never buy stuff on here from ppl. Nothing but a bunch of broke dick fuckers on here that want something for nothing.


I know this doesnt involve everyone on here but it seem's too be the trend ive seen on this site since ive been on it.

[the spindoctor]

That sux too hear man, but it seem's too me 90% of the ppl on here selling stuff are scammer's. But Scott @ CycleWerkz knows his stuff and wouldnt lie too you. Man that sux too hear, see if scott can get you a new or used busa frame man?


But you know what scammer's like that always get's whats comming too them. That's why i would never buy stuff on here from ppl. Nothing but a bunch of broke dick fuckers on here that want something for nothing.


I know this doesnt involve everyone on here but it seem's too be the trend ive seen on this site since ive been on it.

with this kind of stuff, you really have ask lots of questions, and know what you're buying, much like ebay. it sucks there are so many scammers out there.

[Adam]

That shit sucks man.....

[AnotherRedHead]

That sux too hear man, but it seem's too me 90% of the ppl on here selling stuff are scammer's. But Scott @ CycleWerkz knows his stuff and wouldnt lie too you. Man that sux too hear, see if scott can get you a new or used busa frame man?


But you know what scammer's like that always get's whats comming too them. That's why i would never buy stuff on here from ppl. Nothing but a bunch of broke dick fuckers on here that want something for nothing.


I know this doesnt involve everyone on here but it seem's too be the trend ive seen on this site since ive been on it.


I sold a bunch of stuff on here, ask any of them, Ive never done someone wrong. Im even selling some dirtbikes right now too, so buy them, from my broke dick ass. lol i know i know you were kidding

[buzntxn]

sounds bad, lets hear from the seller... judge joe brown wouldnt put up with this

[Thurston]

i dont know what bikes youve been riding..but my gsxr at 160 was so smooth..no headshake at all..u must be riding old broke shit lol
unstable and smooth do not always coincide with each other, as with headshake. at 160 mph you are not as stable on a bike as you are at 30 mph, period. now as far as me riding "old broke shit", you can say that if you classify an 05 Ducati 749 as "old broke shit." with every post i read of yours i realize you embody the dallasriders.com forum.

[Thurston]

That sux too hear man, but it seem's too me 90% of the ppl on here selling stuff are scammer's. But Scott @ CycleWerkz knows his stuff and wouldnt lie too you. Man that sux too hear, see if scott can get you a new or used busa frame man?


But you know what scammer's like that always get's whats comming too them. That's why i would never buy stuff on here from ppl. Nothing but a bunch of broke dick fuckers on here that want something for nothing.


I know this doesnt involve everyone on here but it seem's too be the trend ive seen on this site since ive been on it.
you are only scammed if you are ignorant enough to be scammed. yes there are people on here that are like that, but thats everywhere in this world. hurley seems to be a stand up guy to me and im sure he didnt even know about the crack. like the buyer said he would have never known had he not taken the fairings off.

[Goose1]

No im not kidding there are a bunch of scammer's on here, it's just sad that ppl are that way too screw other ppl on there hard earned $$.

But if your not one of those ppl then you need not take offense.

He just posted a link like 6mths ago saying he knew about it didnt he? or i just read it wrong?

09-12-2005, 08:32 PM
Eh. I just kinda grew bored with it. I have found out that the bike was damaged before I bought it. That did alot to turn me off as well. The bike is also pretty bg for my skinny ass so I am thinking about building a nice 1000 to run.

[Thurston]

ya i just read that, that still doesnt say he knew it had a cracked frame. if you are buying something and find out something down the road it is 100% your fault if you do not check everything over...now im saying this not knowing what was said in the convo between them when the bike was purchased.

[Stephen]

that really sucks jamey!!! hope you guys get it worked out

[stunter bob]

unstable and smooth do not always coincide with each other, as with headshake. at 160 mph you are not as stable on a bike as you are at 30 mph, period. now as far as me riding "old broke shit", you can say that if you classify an 05 Ducati 749 as "old broke shit." with every post i read of yours i realize you embody the dallasriders.com forum.
whatever....i know my shit never shook at 160...smooth as can be....ducatis must ride different..i wouldnt know cause ive never rode one
and yes.VIVA DALLASRIDERS!!!

[Cmarsh93z]

Busa's are rock solid at 160mph...there should be no unstableness at all. I can't believe Hurley passed off a wrecked bike to someone else on DFWStangs. Shame on you :D

[stunter bob]

id like to see Hurley give us his thoughts on this...i mean you know hes seen it
why hasnt he replied? kinda odd

[Thurston]

whatever....i know my shit never shook at 160...smooth as can be....ducatis must ride different..i wouldnt know cause ive never rode one
and yes.VIVA DALLASRIDERS!!!
yes ducati's def ride different...way better than any suzuki ive ever ridden.

[stunter bob]

yes ducati's def ride different...way better than any suzuki ive ever ridden.
im not going to argue with you
but ducatis are pieces in my book and many others will agree...they always break down
least my suzuki never left me stranded...and i only paid 10g...compared to like 20g

[360 Notch]

Eh. I just kinda grew bored with it. I have found out that the bike was damaged before I bought it. That did alot to turn me off as well. The bike is also pretty bg for my skinny ass so I am thinking about building a nice 1000 to run.



um.... ouch. :eek: :eek: :eek:


I always thought of Hurley as a good guy???? :confused: :confused: :confused:

[HobieF3]

I sent the pics to a motorcycle mechanic in Amarillo and he said that the rake of the bike was changed when it broke and would never be the same. He also mentioned that there was no telling what else got tweaked. He did say that it could be repaired but wouldn't trust it. :(



The rake changed LOL - did he offer to buy if off you cheap too?

I would LOVE to hear this guy's explanation on how that bar cracking could even come close to letting the entire headstock shift or tweak the spars/rails, yet not break a weld or any motor mount bolts (I know I haven't seen it up close, but I know that didn't happen)

Any TIG welder could handle the weld, if you are really worried you could take it to computrak, which happens to have a DFW location. They fix pretty mangled frames all the time that racers will later travel deep triple digit speeds on for seasons of road racing.

[HobieF3]

i dont know what bikes youve been riding..but my gsxr at 160 was so smooth..no headshake at all..u must be riding old broke shit lol


Put on some GPs or slicks and go down a shitty road at that speed. Or do it on a 98/99 R1 or a 954.

[stunter bob]

Put on some GPs or slicks and go down a shitty road at that speed. Or do it on a 98/99 R1 or a 954.
well i try to stay off shitty roads if i plan on going fast lol

[HobieF3]

well i try to stay off shitty roads if i plan on going fast lol

I never figured a stunter like yourself for a pussy ;) J/K

[HobieF3]

im not going to argue with you
but ducatis are pieces in my book and many others will agree...they always break down
least my suzuki never left me stranded...and i only paid 10g...compared to like 20g

I've had a couple for short periods that I flipped. They feel better than any other stock sportbike I've ever been on, but they are underpowered and less than reliable when beat on.

They are physically small bikes, yet with the bodywork off, they are less cramped than any other sportbike by F-A-R, really well laid out. Nice to work on if you are used to Jap stuff, problem is you have to do it often, but hell you had a Suzuki, sure you are used to working on a bike often ;)

[stunter bob]

I never figured a stunter like yourself for a pussy ;) J/K
haha...nah i love goin fast too..but if i do..its on the highway..screw them twisties
i just go fast in a straight line

[stunter bob]

I've had a couple for short periods that I flipped. They feel better than any other stock sportbike I've ever been on, but they are underpowered and less than reliable when beat on.

They are physically small bikes, yet with the bodywork off, they are less cramped than any other sportbike by F-A-R, really well laid out. Nice to work on if you are used to Jap stuff, problem is you have to do it often, but hell you had a Suzuki, sure you are used to working on a bike often ;)
i didnt have to work on my bike once
the only thing that ever happend was the headlight switch effed up so they replaced it...nothing else ever happend
it was and still is a great bike

[HobieF3]

LOL, how funny.


Thing is, if the frame is tweaked, you should see some movement on the caoting around the neck, maybe strectch marks near the steering head, around that area. Look for distortions in metal and what not. Other than that, just measure the rake angle and check to make sure its ok. Seb at NLR does a short neck modification where he cuts down the steering neck a bit to allow for the bike to be lowered even more without sliding it farther down in the clamps. I figure, if its that tweaked you could tell. You will SURE be able to tell if you pull the motor and what not, it will prob be odd getting it in and out of there. I cant see a wheelie or stoppie doing that to the bike. Thats hitting a curb or something of that nature. Perhaps the radiator got smashed into the frame in that area, and now its fixed. But wheelie or stoppie, sounds like you been talking to someone who does warranty work LOL

Spot fucking ON

....and pretty much all Suzuki sportbike frames show stretch marks in the coating or grain of the aluminum easily, even on mildly tweaked frames.

It would be odd to tear the bike down to the frame, paint it (to cover the marks), then build it all back up without TIGing the crossbar. I doubt the bike is that bad.

However, I would like to take this time to say that Suzuki frame welds S-U-C-K.

[stunter bob]

yea buy a honda next time....rock solid bitches they are

[LS1 pwrd Nova]

Guys lets stay on the subject. He got fucked on this deal. Hurley knew what he had, there are numerous posts on this forum & others about the problem the bike had. If that bar is cracked like that, then the neck is tucked too. Why should he have to pay for it? Court is an option, why not?

[stunter bob]

Guys lets stay on the subject. He got fucked on this deal. Hurley knew what he had, there are numerous posts on this forum & others about the problem the bike had. If that bar is cracked like that, then the neck is tucked too. Why should he have to pay for it? Court is an option, why not?
yea back on topic
me personally..i wouldnt want to get it fixed...even if hurley paid for it
id want my money back due to the fact he knew it was fucked up and lied about it

[VETTKLR]

He pulled the lawyer card in his last email. I sent him some pics of the damage and he said after consulting with his attorney, that he was not liable.


Jamey,

I spoke with my attorney earlier tonight since I have no idea what to do
in this situation. He advised me to do nothing since we cannot prove any
liability. While I do feel bad about the situation, I have no way of knowing
what has transpired with the motorcycle since it's sale last saturday
(7/15/06). I have also been advised to no longer discuss this matter with
you personally any further. This situation is unfortunate and I wish you the
best of luck in the future.

John M. Huebener

Monday morning's game time.

[stunter bob]

im gonna call bs on the attorney thing..i think hes trying to stiff you now
call your lawyer and get this ball rolling
there are posts that show he lied to you...and when he listed it for sale said nothing was wrong
he knows he fucked you and doesnt want to man up now
GET HIS ASS

[HobieF3]

haha...nah i love goin fast too..but if i do..its on the highway..screw them twisties
i just go fast in a straight line

UPS dropped these off (a few years ago), got a haircut, went riding, came bike like this a couple hours later ;)

http://www.streetneeds.com/uploads/auser/SMEricas021.jpg

[stunter bob]

UPS dropped these off (a few years ago), got a haircut, went riding, came bike like this a couple hours later ;)

http://www.streetneeds.com/uploads/auser/SMEricas021.jpg
yea eff draggin knee..id rather drag 12 bar..much better
stop changin the subject too lol
were trying to bash this scammin piece of shit

[HobieF3]

im gonna call bs on the attorney thing..i think hes trying to stiff you now
call your lawyer and get this ball rolling
there are posts that show he lied to you...and when he listed it for sale said nothing was wrong
he knows he fucked you and doesnt want to man up now
GET HIS ASS

Given that VETKLR got that email on what would seem like a Saturday (just guessing by his posts in the thread) I'm with you on the BS.

Unless you give them a LOT of business, not too many lawyers are going to be reached and give you a response on a Saturday, 'cept smaller criminal defense attys. ;)

[stunter bob]

Given that VETKLR got that email on what would seem like a Saturday (just guessing by his posts in the thread) I'm with you on the BS.

Unless you give them a LOT of business, not too many lawyers are going to be reached and give you a response on a Saturday, 'cept smaller criminal defense attys. ;)
yea this guy is full of shit..he fucked the guy over..and now is trying to get away from it
if i had the guys address...id be paying him a visit and returning the busted ass bike

[cbrjames]

What a piece of shit!! Sorry about the bad deal you got man. That shit just ain't right! :mad: And of course, John has not been on here and said a single word. I don't know the guy, but just by going off what i know of him on here, i THOUGHT he was an alright guy. Guess we all just learned.

[stunter bob]

What a piece of shit!! Sorry about the bad deal you got man. That shit just ain't right! :mad: And of course, John has not been on here and said a single word. I don't know the guy, but just by going off what i know of him on here, i THOUGHT he was an alright guy. Guess we all just learned.
yep..this is some shit
like i said..karma is a bitch...one day it will bite mister Hurley in the ass when he least expects it

[cbrjames]

yep..this is some shit
like i said..karma is a bitch...one day it will bite mister Hurley in the ass when he least expects it

Damnit, and i hate that he uses my last name for his s/n!

[AnotherRedHead]

I told you he wouldnt give your money back

[stunter bob]

well we all know hes a piece of shit now
he wont be back on here thats for sure...fuckin coward

[PooterWS6]

What a fuckin douche!

[GT-40 GTS]

I am not sure but I think you could go to small claims court and get a judgment against him(if you win). Even if he does not pay you he will think of you for the next 7-10 years every time he gets a car,house or credit card etc... :D

[frsslt1]

ya, this is a shitty situation. really sucks because i am sure he's spent the money already, so even if he wanted to give it back he probably cant now. i doubt he knew the extent of the damage, but he should have let you know the bike had been down (although, sounds like you ignored your gut feelings, and now your paying for it).

i once sold a car to a guy (fully built 5.0, blower, forged 306, etc.) and he calls me a few days later saying the motor took a shit on him and cussed me out and everything. ends up a oil feed line had come off and everything was okay, but i wasnt going to pay for a new motor for that car, but then again, i didnt withhold information, i just didnt offer a warranty either :)

good luck with it, you've got the "he knew it had been damaged before and didnt tell me" (although I doubt you have it in writing), and he has the "he had it for a week or more and calls me about this damage, and even told me he took the bike up to 160+mph, so how am I to believe the damage was there when I sold it to him" card. neither is very strong from a legal aspect.

-james

[cbrjames]

Any updates? :confused:

[VETTKLR]

The ball is rolling. ;)

I felt so good today, I went to the local Suzuki dealer and began wheelin & dealin on their last '06 busa in stock...the white LE.

I'm gonna call Matt @ Yamaha Suzuki of TX down in Hurst and see what they have sittin around as well. :cool:

[stunter bob]

The ball is rolling. ;)

I felt so good today, I went to the local Suzuki dealer and began wheelin & dealin on their last '06 busa in stock...the white LE.

I'm gonna call Matt @ Yamaha Suzuki of TX down in Hurst and see what they have sittin around as well. :cool:
but whats the deal on the bike you got fucked on? has he tried to fix things or is he ignoring you now

[cbrjames]

but whats the deal on the bike you got fucked on? has he tried to fix things or is he ignoring you now

Thats what i was trying to say. :rolleyes:

[The Raven]

The ball is rolling. ;)


Being that Texas is a "buyer-beware" state, what course of action do you have? There are no laws that I am aware of that state a seller must divulge such information. All I see is that he was aware that the bike had been down, and neglected to mention that during the sale. Being that you were allowed to inspect the bike prior to handing over the cash, the burden now lies on you. He didn't hide the crack, and may very well not have known it was there. The posts that I've seen from him, though he says that he knew the bike had been down, he made no mention of a crack. To play devil's advocate, you could have hit a curb the second that you were out of his eyesight, and are now trying to say it was already cracked.

[AnotherRedHead]

hell prob just get it covered by his own insurance and say it was an accident. then its totalled and he gets a new one

[VETTKLR]

Being that Texas is a "buyer-beware" state, what course of action do you have? There are no laws that I am aware of that state a seller must divulge such information. All I see is that he was aware that the bike had been down, and neglected to mention that during the sale. Being that you were allowed to inspect the bike prior to handing over the cash, the burden now lies on you. He didn't hide the crack, and may very well not have known it was there. The posts that I've seen from him, though he says that he knew the bike had been down, he made no mention of a crack. To play devil's advocate, you could have hit a curb the second that you were out of his eyesight, and are now trying to say it was already cracked.


I've shot some emails off to some people asking for advice. I have been told that I have venue in my county over the deal, so that's cool...gotta watch what else I say, though. :D

As a buyer, I asked hurley if the bike had been down, besides the stationary tipover that scratched the mirror, tail piece and side fairing. He said there was never any wrecks, that it was owned by an older gentleman (looking back on his career as a car salesman, he used the same description on this very forum for a car he was trying to sell from his lot) that just cruised the thing. blah blah blah...nothing but good news about the bike.

When my 'busa buddy and I got down there, we asked the same question and he replied with the same answer...Never been wrecked, it's in great shape, so I bought the bike. I usually don't carry a 4mm allen wrench around with me and never even thought of taking the fairings off to inspect the frame. That sounds like taking the fenders off a car to me.

The bike was strapped to a bike trailer and we drove back to Amarillo. From there is where we discovered the instability, right off the trailer and made a call to hurley to ask about it...no answer. I waited until Monday to call him back...no answer...Finally got a call back from him on Wednesday and he again told me the bike has never seen any damage....

It was my fault for trusting him and buying the bike, but he misled me and my friend to our faces about the history of the bike.

If I was to sue him, I've been told that I'd be in the same position as before. I'd get the money back and he'd get the bike back. That doesn't settle with me, because there's always a possibility of him selling it to somebody else. And that would suck.

I wouldn't want to put anyone in that position...If hurley repaired the bike and sold it, well that would be great.

I talked with the Computrack guys and they say that damage came from smashing the front end by hitting a wall, curb, car, something of that nature, hard enough to bend EVERYTHING up front in. When the repairs were made, the frame was pulled back out, and that's what caused these cracks. Sounds like an expert witness. :cool: The bike's sittin up at the shop, on stands, with the plastics off. No front end damage since I picked it up in San Antonio.

That email I got from hurley was our last communication and will be fine with me.

[The Raven]

hell prob just get it covered by his own insurance and say it was an accident. then its totalled and he gets a new one

That would be considered insurance fraud.


Sounds like you've got it covered Vettkllr. Good luck in recouping your losses, but I'm still skeptical that you'll see a dime. Even with a judgement against him, he doens't have to pay. The best you can hope for at this point is jail time, and that's not even likely. Let us know how it turns out when you can say more.

[VETTKLR]

Thanks for everybody's help, suggestions, advice, etc...

I'll post more when I can. :cool:

[stunter bob]

i hope you get your money back man....sux to hear you got fucked like that

[LS1 pwrd Nova]

VETTKLR, good luck with the project and dont forget to help another out when in need. We all could use some help.

[AnotherRedHead]

That would be considered insurance fraud.


Sounds like you've got it covered Vettkllr. Good luck in recouping your losses, but I'm still skeptical that you'll see a dime. Even with a judgement against him, he doens't have to pay. The best you can hope for at this point is jail time, and that's not even likely. Let us know how it turns out when you can say more.

Really fucky? Are you sure? LOL

[cbrjames]

Really fucky? Are you sure? LOL

Lmmfao!

[The Raven]

Really fucky? Are you sure? LOL


Sure that you're a pole smoker? Yup.

[VETTKLR]

VETTKLR, good luck with the project and dont forget to help another out when in need. We all could use some help.

I just noticed your sig....we have a mutual friend...the dude with the SOM 91 Z-28. :cool: He and I ruled the Amarillo Car Shows last year with his car and my Mystichrome.

He's the guy that went to San Antonio with me to pick this broke-ass busa up from good 'ole hurley.

[stunter bob]

what i find pretty funny is that hurley posted just about every day..and now look...not one freakin peep out of him....he knows what he did....pretty sad really

[cbrjames]

I just noticed your sig....we have a mutual friend...the dude with the SOM 91 Z-28. :cool: He and I ruled the Amarillo Car Shows last year with his car and my Mystichrome.

He's the guy that went to San Antonio with me to pick this broke-ass busa up from good 'ole hurley.

Man, i love that guys LS1 powered 91! I wish i had the $$ to buy it.

And yes Bob, your right about the posting.... :rolleyes:

[VETTKLR]

Things are lookin up over here...just bought me a brand new toy, guaranteed not to be fucked up.

http://www.getyourrideon.com/images/bikes/hayabusaLE.jpg

I'll get some pics of the real deal tomorrow...parked right next to the '02.

Hurley may have ripped me off, but it's gonna be alright. I'm making the best of it.

[stunter bob]

Things are lookin up over here...just bought me a brand new toy, guaranteed not to be fucked up.

http://www.getyourrideon.com/images/bikes/hayabusaLE.jpg

I'll get some pics of the real deal tomorrow...parked right next to the '02.

Hurley may have ripped me off, but it's gonna be alright. I'm making the best of it.
so what you gonna do to him? take him to court or what?
let us know

[VETTKLR]

If I took him to court, I'd get my money back and he'd get the bike back. That means he could very easily sell it down in San Antonio and get somebody killed. Now that I know that would be the outcome in a lawsuit, I will not allow that to happen.

He may have burned me for 6K, but that's not worth someone's life.

I'm gonna make sure it gets put back together correctly. I bought it for 6K, so if/when I sell it, I'll start out around NADA retail and go from there. People that rip others off suck, and I'm gonna end this little trail of suckage. Hurley says on this very forum that the previous owner wrecked it. Then he sells it to me...The Fuck Stops Here.

Enjoy the money...and the karma.


What all brought this on was lunch with my old man. I told him the deal over lunch and all he said was "Ya win some, ya lose some." Indeed I lost 6K for buying a broken bike...But nobody's gonna lose their life because this thing came apart on 'em.

The guys at Computrack are awesome, along with Scott @ Cycle Werkz...and I sure appreciate everybody's input and support on this site. I'm gonna' make this bike right.

[cbrjames]

I saw a good frame for sale on ebay. Just buy a new frame, and build it up! Or have someone do it.

[The Raven]

I saw a good frame for sale on ebay. Just buy a new frame, and build it up! Or have someone do it.

If the front-end geometry has changed I'd be the forks are bent a little too, and maybe the front rim. I hope not for the sake of an easy fix, but definitely worth looking into before thinking just a frame will fix it.

[VETTKLR]

The guys at Computrack suggested I put the forks in a V-block and spin 'em to look for any wobble.

The mentioned that in a collision hard enough to break the frame, the forks would have bent back like a mofo. The forks on the bike will be checked out, though.

[frsslt1]

VETTKILR is a damn good person, I figured you'd end up selling it off to someone else broke, but I dont know you, obviously! :)

[JMAC]

Sucks Hurley turned out to be a con.

[AnotherRedHead]

Sure that you're a pole smoker? Yup.

Are you on your period? Dont get your panties ruffled

[blackjack]

if you took him to court its a civil case, the most they could do is put a judgement on him. however since texas is a buyer beware most likely you would loose. It sucks but unfortunately thats the way it goes. After you pay for it your FUCKED. I dont agree at all but thats life/

[46Tbird]

Buyer beware, you bought it and now you're stuck with it.

I guess it sucks, you should have looked it over closer, and he shouldn't have sold a bike with that much damage.

So you're equally losers. :)

Now fix it and sell it, hopefully not for a loss.

[The Raven]

Are you on your period? Dont get your panties ruffled


Yes, so fuck off. :mad: :)

[ScottJ]

IF the frame is the only issue, I'd just swap the frame. If other bits need replacement, maybe that too.

Was rewelding it not an option?

[Ylw 98~~SNAKE~~]

Man thats fucked up. Passing shit he knew was broke to someone else. Hopefully it can be fixed but your gonna have to strip that bike down to do it. Karma is a bitch it will come back to haunt him eventually

[Cmarsh93z]

IF the frame is the only issue, I'd just swap the frame. If other bits need replacement, maybe that too.

Was rewelding it not an option?


Rewelding it should be the option, considering you can take bar out and have someone measure the rake, and cut and reweld a steering neck if there are any geometry issues. Terry Mcintosh could do it all easily. And for a little cheaper than a new frame :)

Nick

[evil jose]

I'm just catching up on reading all of this. Man this really sucks to hear someone on the board screwed you over, especially someone that has been around as long as Hurley.

Hope it all works out for you. I closed the thread where he mentioned the bike was damaged so he wouldn't delete it in case you need to use that information for anything.

[VETTKLR]

Some buddies of mine may have scoped out a rolling chassis that may be the answer to everything!

I talked to some people about welding up the frame. Of Computrack said they weren't scared at all, but they'd have to have the rolling chassis in Georgia...that's a 2200 mile round trip. The work would have cost around $1100 and would have been dead nuts perfect.

It'll all get taken care of, I guarantee. I just picked up my brand new '06 LE today and am going to enjoy it like I wished I would have been doing with the '02...already got some ridin in the rain experience...Thank God, we need all the rain we can get up here in the panhandle. :cool:


46Tbird, thank you for setting the record straight. :( Harsh Logic FTW!!! :D

evil jose, thanks for the lock. The Admin showed me how to save that badboy to the hard drive too, so I appreciate everyone's help on the matter. :cool: :cool: :cool: :cool: :cool:

[evil jose]

Why not part it out? I'm sure you could get most of your money back or close.

[VETTKLR]

Yessir, this is true. The Tobin seat from the '02 is going on the '06 tomorrow. When the new bike hits 500 miles, I'll change the oil...and swap the full Yoshi exhaust from the '02 to the '06.

Parting out the '02 is a very good possibilty

[Pro Trash]

I am not sure but I think you could go to small claims court and get a judgment against him(if you win). Even if he does not pay you he will think of you for the next 7-10 years every time he gets a car,house or credit card etc... :D

Actually my ex-wife is an attorney and what a lot of people don't know is this. If you win in small claims and get a judgement, you can go back to court and get the judge to sign an order for payment and any bank has to honor it like a check. So you could literally walk into his bank with a judgement and withdrawal every penny or take his tax return, seen it done. :D

[LS1 pwrd Nova]

If you do not buy a frame for it, so you can swap everything over, part it out. There is some money to be made on the bike even if the frame is cracked. Luislopez parts out these bikes all the time as do my friends here in CC. You might get most or all of your money back but you have to have the patience to do it.

Also I would start the process of a civil suit because it is going to cost him money for a lawyer. I am sure you may know someone that knows a lawyer that will give you damn good deal on a fee just to slam him, plus he may have to pay all your fees also. They could seize his assets as stated above. Why not get a free consultation and see what your options are, what do you have to loose?

[Stephen]

VETTKILR is a damn good person, I figured you'd end up selling it off to someone else broke, but I dont know you, obviously! :)
yes he is a pretty cool dude!!! he stopped by and had a beer at my house on his way to fun ford weekend last year :D



glad you got it sorted out man.. parting it out will likely be the best way to get your cash back and good luck with that 06

[VETTKLR]

Actually my ex-wife is an attorney and what a lot of people don't know is this. If you win in small claims and get a judgement, you can go back to court and get the judge to sign an order for payment and any bank has to honor it like a check. So you could literally walk into his bank with a judgement and withdrawal every penny or take his tax return, seen it done. :D

:eek:

Sweeeet :cool:


Also I would start the process of a civil suit because it is going to cost him money for a lawyer. I am sure you may know someone that knows a lawyer that will give you damn good deal on a fee just to slam him, plus he may have to pay all your fees also. They could seize his assets as stated above. Why not get a free consultation and see what your options are, what do you have to loose?

The lawyer I talked to said that if I was to sue him, I'd get my money back and he'd get the bike back. Screw that. I think he'd just dump it off on somebody else. If I could get a judgement stating that he'd have to give me my money back for the bike, fuel to San Antonio and what I spent on the motel bill AND get the bike repaired before it goes back into his posession, that would be badass!

[Samhain]

Any updates?

[cobra93teal]

S U C K S

[Neiladin]

S U C K S
i agree

[VETTKLR]

Any updates?

I rode it yesterday through town...jeez that lowered bitch feels waaaay different than my stock '06

It's gonna come apart and get repaired pretty soon. Then I'll post it back for sale and keep the '06 :cool: I have no doubt that I can get all I have invested in it back. Everybody that comes into the shop goes straight for the little black machine, instead of the white LE busa. I tell em the story of the punk that ripped me off and they say hurry up and get it fixed so they can buy it!

With a powerglide project on an 85 GT, a twin turbo 5.4 DOHC setup going into the Mystichrome and the white busa, I think it's gonna be this winter before the black bike gets torn down and fixed properly. :cool:


S U C K S...yes indeed, but it's gonna be good to go for next season.

[Stephen]

I rode it yesterday through town...jeez that lowered bitch feels waaaay different than my stock '06

It's gonna come apart and get repaired pretty soon. Then I'll post it back for sale and keep the '06 :cool: I have no doubt that I can get all I have invested in it back. Everybody that comes into the shop goes straight for the little black machine, instead of the white LE busa. I tell em the story of the punk that ripped me off and they say hurry up and get it fixed so they can buy it!

With a powerglide project on an 85 GT, a twin turbo 5.4 DOHC setup going into the Mystichrome and the white busa, I think it's gonna be this winter before the black bike gets torn down and fixed properly. :cool:


S U C K S...yes indeed, but it's gonna be good to go for next season.
hey tell lance to call me

i have tried to call him several times and he never replied.....

can you send him a message?

[VETTKLR]

I'll give it a shot. I haven't seen Lance since I got that bike for ya, but I'll try.

[Stephen]

I'll give it a shot. I haven't seen Lance since I got that bike for ya, but I'll try.
cool man thanks!!!! glad to see you got a new busa

[VETTKLR]

Little Update Action...

Got me a handy dandy $60 socket to take the motor out of the bike today. I've got everything off the bike to drop the motor but the bolts requiring this spanner socket.

A TIG ninja that works on bikes came by and said he could fix the cracked crossbar, no problem and may even buy the thing when it goes back together. :)

...come to find out, the weld that holds that crossbar is a nasty little weld that only runs around approx 3/4 of the bar. No stress marks in the powdercoated frame have been found yet, so we think this thing will go right back together the way it broke with no problems.

The powerglide is in the '85 GT and the turbos have been ordered for the Cobra...Spring is in the air, time to play!

[GSXR_Mike]

Little Update Action...

Got me a handy dandy $60 socket to take the motor out of the bike today. I've got everything off the bike to drop the motor but the bolts requiring this spanner socket.

A TIG ninja that works on bikes came by and said he could fix the cracked crossbar, no problem and may even buy the thing when it goes back together. :)

...come to find out, the weld that holds that crossbar is a nasty little weld that only runs around approx 3/4 of the bar. No stress marks in the powdercoated frame have been found yet, so we think this thing will go right back together the way it broke with no problems.

The powerglide is in the '85 GT and the turbos have been ordered for the Cobra...Spring is in the air, time to play!
Good deal man! Glad everything worked out for you :)

[uthustler]

where you live in the panhandle?

[VETTKLR]

In Borger, about 45 miles NE of Amarillo.

I got the motor out yesterday...I'll get pics of the before/after :cool:

[jdeax82]

Easy fix would be to reweld it. Another option would be to kick his as*!!!!! Look up phone records and public data under his name to find his address. He can run but he can't hide.. lol