ps3 pre order ?

[slo'sho]

has any one heard of a date? :confused: gamestop said by end of sept. early oct :eek:

[DFWminis]

for the price it is going to cost you rcould get the Wii and xbox360

[Thurston]

alot of ppl have been saying this but there is going to be two versions like the xbox. im guessing the price will not be much different either.

[Mychael101]

I think the price is a bit steep for the premium but its justified. No way I'm picking up a PS3 that doesn't have an HDMI output. Good thing the presale is a ways off. Still gotta get rid of my current satellite boxes and buy a HD unit and switch over to the HD programming.

[kpc01]

anyone know the prices? I am going to try to preorder but my gamestop here in St. Louis said only about 15 of them so I would have to just get lucky some time in Oct. to get on the list

[TexasDevilDog]

[QUOTE=DFWminis]for the price it is going to cost you rcould get the Wii and xbox360[/QUOTE]

but then you would have a wee-wee and a MS product. ;)

[DarkWolf]

[QUOTE=Thurston]alot of ppl have been saying this but there is going to be two versions like the xbox. im guessing the price will not be much different either.[/QUOTE]

PS3 Basic $500
PS3 High End $600

X360 Premium $400 (this is assuming there's no price drop when the PS3 is released)
Wii $200 (speculation, but every Nintendo console has been released at $200 since the NES, why break the trend?)
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$600

X360 Core $300 (but... why?)
Wii $200
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$500

Either way you look at it, you can get an X360 and a Wii for the price of a PS3. Even cheaper if MS drops the price on X360 to combat the PS3 launch.

[DFWminis]

it is not going to be the graphics / hardware to look for ...it is all about game selection.

[def1eppard]

[QUOTE=TexasDevilDog]but then you would have a wee-wee and a MS product. ;)[/QUOTE]

A soft and micro wii.

[Thurston]

[QUOTE=DarkWolf]PS3 Basic $500
PS3 High End $600

X360 Premium $400 (this is assuming there's no price drop when the PS3 is released)
Wii $200 (speculation, but every Nintendo console has been released at $200 since the NES, why break the trend?)
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$600

X360 Core $300 (but... why?)
Wii $200
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$500

Either way you look at it, you can get an X360 and a Wii for the price of a PS3. Even cheaper if MS drops the price on X360 to combat the PS3 launch.[/QUOTE]

where did you get your info on the pricing at?

[DarkWolf]

[QUOTE=Thurston]where did you get your info on the pricing at?[/QUOTE]

... google is your friend. Seriously.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PlayStation_3
http://www.gamespot.com/e3/e3story.html?sid=6149470
http://ps3.ign.com/articles/705/705838p1.html
http://gear.ign.com/articles/700/700258p1.html
http://www.joystiq.com/2006/05/08/playstation-3-in-its-final-form/
http://www.gamesindustry.biz/content_page.php?aid=18078
http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3151936

Where'd the info come from? Sony's president, Kaz Hirai, at E3 2006.

Hirai-san also hinted at an increase in price for the games as well.

http://ps3.ign.com/articles/715/715867p1.html
http://news.spong.com/article/10311?cb=673

Fortunately he doesn't expect games to hit $100... yet, but don't "ding" him when they're more than $60.

[slo'sho]

yea two versions of ps3, 500 & 600 did ya hear bout that its not gonna be backwards compatible with ps2 games I dont care who hasnt got a ps2 now a days?

[DarkWolf]

[QUOTE=slo'sho]yea two versions of ps3, 500 & 600 did ya hear bout that its not gonna be backwards compatible with ps2 games I dont care who hasnt got a ps2 now a days?[/QUOTE]

Backwards compatability isn't about whether or not people have the original system. It's about being able to take the old system and either sell it, or put it away, and still be able to play the old games on the new system. It's a matter of convenience.

There's a reason people are all up in MS's shit for not getting X360 fully compatable with Xbox before launch.

PS2 had full PSX backwards compatability. And because of the PS2, people expect backwards compatability from new consoles. GBA is backwards compatible with GB/GBC, DS is backwards compatible with GBA, X360 is partially backwards compatible with Xbox and through periodic updates compatability is slowly improving. Wii is not only going to be fully compatible with Gamecube games, but is also going to have the virtual console with access to the entire NES, SNES, N64, Sega, and TurboGraphix library's.

The last I heard on PS3 was they were going to try to make it backwards compatible through software with PS2, but no guarantees. Why they couldn't just do what they did with the PS2, and include the PS2 cpu/gpu (for the PS2 to have full compatability with PSX, they included the PSX cpu/gpu in PS2's up to the PStwo when software emulation caught up) makes no sense. Especially since the PS3, dimension wise, is actually going to be larger than the X360, and nearly as large as the original Xbox. Surely would be plenty of room for the current PS2 cpu/gpu as they've been combined into a single chip.

[Cartman]

[QUOTE=Thurston]alot of ppl have been saying this but there is going to be two versions like the xbox. im guessing the price will not be much different either.[/QUOTE]


fyi

on the 2 ps3 systems price thing is correct but the catch is and they are not really all that upfront with people about it, is with the lower price not only do you get a lesser hard drive you will not be able to have any hdmi hook up for the true Hi Def look from the blu ray movies or games. so anybody that buys the lesser system is getting a system that has the ability to play blue ray movies and games but not in true hi def.

[STROKD]

[QUOTE=Cartman]fyi

on the 2 ps3 systems price thing is correct but the catch is and they are not really all that upfront with people about it, is with the lower price not only do you get a lesser hard drive you will not be able to have any hdmi hook up for the true Hi Def look from the blu ray movies or games. so anybody that buys the lesser system is getting a system that has the ability to play blue ray movies and games but not in true hi def.[/QUOTE]
HDMI and high def are two seperate things... HDMI is a single digital cable that carries music and video in one easy to hook up cable. Seperate component and digital feeds to a sound processor are a better feed and will sound and look better... HDMI is for people that think they are bad ass, but really are just un-knowledgable when it comes to pure sound/ and vision... ;)

[DarkWolf]

[QUOTE=STROKD]HDMI and high def are two seperate things... HDMI is a single digital cable that carries music and video in one easy to hook up cable. Seperate component and digital feeds to a sound processor are a better feed and will sound and look better... HDMI is for people that think they are bad ass, but really are just un-knowledgable when it comes to pure sound/ and vision... ;)[/QUOTE]

While this is currently the case, when the studios decide to enable ICT (Image Constraint Token), any non-HDCP compliant connection (ie: anything NOT HDMI) will be reduced to SD resolution of 480p (current Progressive Scan DVD resolution), and you won't be able to enjoy the full HD resolution (720p to 1080i/1080p)

VGA/DVI connections will be forcibly downgraded in quality. As well as Component connections.

In an effort to move HD-DVD and Blu-Ray players and titles, the movie studios are opting not to enable the ICT... for now (as doing so would subsequently piss off the majority of HDTV owners that do not have an HDMI connection on their set, since the spec didn't get finalized until 2005).

Then, whenever the studios decide people have had sufficient time to upgrade to a set with HDMI (nevermind that people typically don't get a new TV until their old one dies), at their leisure they can enable ICT. And because of the AACS spec, they can also flip the switch to enable ICT on all the first-gen HD-DVD/Blu-Ray discs that currently do not have ICT enabled.

So, while HD resolution and HDMI are not the same thing, eventually you WILL need HDMI to watch anything in HD resolution. Yes, even broadcast & subscription HDTV channels. Thank you Broadcast Flag http://www.dfwstangs.net/forums/images/smilies/mad.gif Thank you MPAA http://www.dfwstangs.net/forums/images/smilies/mad.gif

[DLinkOZ]

ICT is back-burnered until at least 2010. So it's no longer an immediate concern, and no downgrading/sampling will occur without a compliant interconnect. After the 4 year mark, it's up in the air again.

[DarkWolf]

A non-compliant connection is the reason for the downsampling... that's the whole point of the ICT. Keeping your component connection isn't going to get around this. The downsampling is done at the source device (HD-DVD player, Blu-Ray player, PS3, HDTV cable/satellite box, etc) based on the outgoing connection being used.

If the cable connecting your player isn't copy protected (ie: is not HDMI), then the ICT will instruct the player to downsample.

And no, it's not an immediate concern, but it's still very much a concern... especially for people expecting to use their PS3's as a BR player. In under 4 years (consider PS2 has been around 6 years, expect PS3 to be around at least 5) those that decided a 20gig hdd was plenty and went with the basic PS3, are going to be pleasantly surprised when their BR movies no longer display at full resoution on their HDTV's.

[DLinkOZ]

No, not "under 4 years". The studios have decided to table the idea, citing the fear of reduced dvd consumption on the new media. In 2010, 4 years from now, the topic will be back up for consideration.

[DarkWolf]

The point is, eventually ICT will be enabled, whether it's 4 years or not. By not having ICT enabled, the movie studios see that full resolution over an analogue connection as a "hole" that needs to be closed. It's the easiest way to pirate the movies, just plug it in and record the analogue stream with no protection.

They want the ICT enabled. Badly. The only reason it's not being enabled now, is because they want early adoption of hd-dvd and blu-ray. They know without sufficient market share, ICT would kill both formats... and the early adopters are what's going to make or break these new formats. Ding them with ICT and watch your sales and market share disappear.

Postponing the ICT is not a win for consumers, it's purely a marketing gimmick to get people to buy into HD media early. 4 years gives them time to see if a format appears to be coming out on top (presuming consumer adoption doesn't take off with a ferver similar to the switch from VHS to DVD within that time... VHS was all but dead less than 5 years after DVD's hit the market).

If the "ho hum" reaction to both hd-dvd and blu-ray doesn't end up killing both formats within 4 years, like SACD and DVD-A before them, ICT won't be "on the table" again, they will enable it.

[Cartman]

[QUOTE=STROKD]HDMI and high def are two seperate things... HDMI is a single digital cable that carries music and video in one easy to hook up cable. Seperate component and digital feeds to a sound processor are a better feed and will sound and look better... HDMI is for people that think they are bad ass, but really are just un-knowledgable when it comes to pure sound/ and vision... ;)[/QUOTE]
but to get blue ray to play in high def you have to have hdmi ;)