The officiating in the NBA...

[PPStangman]

F***ing sucks...that last call on Dirk was so much bullshit. I can't wait until Dallas comes home and kicks the shit out of the Heat. :mad:

[Who Needs 8]

It's all about the Game 7, FOOL.

[mikecobra95]

Seriously blaming the refs for another game guys????? It's getting old. Grow the fuck up and realize the MAVS choked yet again tonight. Who had the last shot in regulation? Mavs........Who missed free throws down the stretch? MAVS........ Who made free throws to win it??? HEAT. Who made shots they HAD to??? HEAT......... Who called a timeout Webber style???? MAVS....

End of conversation

[Who Needs 8]

Who called a timeout Webber style???? MAVS....




Where was the Foul?

I admit, it was a poorly coached OT by the Mavs . . . But WHERE IN THE NAME OF JESUS CHRIST WAS THE FUCKING FOUL????

[def1eppard]

He wasn't "calling a timeout" Webber style, he wasn't even looking at the ref.

[Cartman]

Seriously blaming the refs for another game guys????? It's getting old. Grow the fuck up and realize the MAVS choked yet again tonight. Who had the last shot in regulation? Mavs........Who missed free throws down the stretch? MAVS........ Who made free throws to win it??? HEAT. Who made shots they HAD to??? HEAT......... Who called a timeout Webber style???? MAVS....

End of conversation


that is funny all the nba shows with players are saying that foul shouldn't have been called the refs never should make that call unless it is blantent(sp?) and then the TO thing all the players said the same thing the refs know that they want that TO after the second free throw. I see big fines for cuban and alot of mavs players because you know they aren't going to keep their mouth shut.

[Who Needs 8]

I see big fines for cuban and alot of mavs players because you know they aren't going to keep their mouth shut.


And again, why would the NBA want the players to keep their mouths shut?

[Cartman]

Where was the Foul?

I admit, it was a poorly coached OT by the Mavs . . . But WHERE IN THE NAME OF JESUS CHRIST WAS THE FUCKING FOUL????


there were two fouls the one where wade pulled one mavs short to make him move and then pushed off just before the refs saw some contact, that never happened, between him and dirk.

[Who Needs 8]

there were two fouls the one where wade pulled one mavs short to make him move and then pushed off just before the refs saw some contact, that never happened, between him and dirk.

So then we're making up rules? What kind of fucking sport is this?

[def1eppard]

Now Cuban is saying that there was a backcourt violation. Man I wish I had Tivo. :mad:

[mikecobra95]

Just please understand this.....

"Josh Howard goes to Joe DeRosa and not only once, but twice, asked for a timeout. Forced to call it, simple as that," crew chief Joe Crawford told a pool reporter.



Straight from ESPN.com Doesn't matter what they meant to do, refs called it after it was asked for twice.......


Mavs choked. Just accept the fact and realize that you have 2 games at home left, advantage Mavs!. Quit the bitching and realize that the Heat have a clutch player and the Mavs don't.

[Cartman]

So then we're making up rules? What kind of fucking sport is this?


no it is just like the phatom call on dirk's shot in game 3 but that shot wasn't for the game.

[Who Needs 8]

no it is just like the phatom call on dirk's shot in game 3 but that shot wasn't for the game.


AGAIN, WE'RE MAKING UP RULES HERE!

What kind of BULL SHIT FUCKING SPORT IS THIS?

[Cartman]

Just please understand this.....

"Josh Howard goes to Joe DeRosa and not only once, but twice, asked for a timeout. Forced to call it, simple as that," crew chief Joe Crawford told a pool reporter.



Straight from ESPN.com Doesn't matter what they meant to do, refs called it after it was asked for twice.......


Mavs choked. Just accept the fact and realize that you have 2 games at home left, advantage Mavs!. Quit the bitching and realize that the Heat have a clutch player and the Mavs don't.


and josh and dirk both are saying they told the ref after the 2nd FT we want a TO


what a shock one side is saying one thing the other side is saying the something else. the ref who has been doing this for 20+ yrs knows that they want the TO after the FT is shot.

[def1eppard]

Did anyone just see Cuban getting interviewed?

[Who Needs 8]

Did anyone just see Cuban getting interviewed?

Nope . . . what did he say?

[Cartman]

AGAIN, WE'RE MAKING UP RULES HERE!

What kind of BULL SHIT FUCKING SPORT IS THIS?

no I am saying from the angle it is hard to tell if contact was made, and if in doubt when the game is on the line there should be no call.

[Who Needs 8]

no I am saying from the angle it is hard to tell if contact was made, and if in doubt when the game is on the line there should be no call.

And again, we're making up rules . . . is it a Fucking Rule or NOT?

[def1eppard]

Reporter: what was it that someone threw at you, was it a drink or something?
Cuban: I don't care, ask me a real question.
Reporter: Have you ever experienced a loss like this at the last second?
Cuban: yeah one time on my pee wee basketball team i lost at the last second, ask me a real fucking question

[mikecobra95]

and josh and dirk both are saying they told the ref after the 2nd FT we want a TO


what a shock one side is saying one thing the other side is saying the something else. the ref who has been doing this for 20+ yrs knows that they want the TO after the FT is shot.

Man do you know anything at all about sports or have you ever actually played sports??? Everyone in the fucking world KNOWS when the TO was suppose to be called. And no you can not call one a play in advance. If the refs know you want a TO after a foul shot, you still have to make the call for the TO after the play. You can't call one a play in advance. And anytime a player asked for a TO, it will be granted, especially when they ask twice like the refs said Howard did......

Howard jacked up, end of story

[Bullitt3246]

The foul was a BULLSHIT CALL! Why would anybody try to call a timeout without looking at the ref. AND between a free throw attempt? BOTH WERE HUGE BS CALLS!

[Who Needs 8]

Reporter: what was it that someone threw at you, was it a drink or something?
Cuban: I don't care, ask me a real question.
Reporter: Have you ever experienced a loss like this at the last second?
Cuban: yeah one time on my pee wee basketball team i lost at the last second, ask me a real fucking question


HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

[Who Needs 8]

Man do you know anything at all about sports or have you ever actually played sports???


Alright, smartass . . . Post up YOUR PROFESSIONAL SPORTS RESUME!!!!

[def1eppard]

Alright, just saw the replay of the backcourt violation. The phantom call shouldn't have even had a chance to be made.

Edit: Not that I am a pro at the rules, I'm just going by what was said.

[Cartman]

Man do you know anything at all about sports or have you ever actually played sports??? Everyone in the fucking world KNOWS when the TO was suppose to be called. And no you can not call one a play in advance. If the refs know you want a TO after a foul shot, you still have to make the call for the TO after the play. You can't call one a play in advance. And anytime a player asked for a TO, it will be granted, especially when they ask twice like the refs said Howard did......

Howard jacked up, end of story


you are an idiot, just like when they are playing hack a shaq they tell the ref's b4 doing so, so the refs know about it and can call it as soon as possible. by them telling the ref that if wade misses and mavs rebound then the ref calls the TO then with out wasting too much time. they do that all the time in the nba. so you wanna try again?

[mikecobra95]

Alright, smartass . . . Post up YOUR PROFESSIONAL SPORTS RESUME!!!!


Man don't get defensive, argue your fact if you think you are right. Anyone who played as much as High School ball knows the facts of calling a timeout man.

I just see it differently cause I am not a Mavs or Heat fan. I know what it is like for my team to lose, but the excessive bitching of Mavs fans is gettin on my nerves. Try to see both sides of the fence bro.

[Who Needs 8]

you are an idiot, just like when they are playing hack a shaq they tell the ref's b4 doing so, so the refs know about it and can call it as soon as possible. by them telling the ref that if wade misses and mavs rebound then the ref calls the TO then with out wasting too much time. they do that all the time in the nba. so you wanna try again?

That's because he only played Jr. High Football . . . but none of us have ever played any sports, so he has scoreboard. :rolleyes:

[Cartman]

Alright, smartass . . . Post up YOUR PROFESSIONAL SPORTS RESUME!!!!


hey he must know alot because he is smart enough to put rocks and other items in a snowball and throw them at visting teams.

[Who Needs 8]

I just see it differently cause I am not a Mavs or Heat fan.

You're quoting FOOTBALL RULES, Not basketball. That's why you see it differently

[mikecobra95]

you are an idiot, just like when they are playing hack a shaq they tell the ref's b4 doing so, so the refs know about it and can call it as soon as possible. by them telling the ref that if wade misses and mavs rebound then the ref calls the TO then with out wasting too much time. they do that all the time in the nba. so you wanna try again?

Yeah I do, you still have to make the TO signal when the play is over bro, they don't just grant you one if you catch the ball and stand there.......

Refs are not responsible for that, even if they know it is coming.

[Cartman]

Yeah I do, you still have to make the TO signal when the play is over bro, they don't just grant you one if you catch the ball and stand there.......

Refs are not responsible for that, even if they know it is coming.

really then how is it possible to get a to with less than half a second on a rebound?

[Who Needs 8]

Anyone who played as much as High School ball knows the facts of calling a timeout man.

What's up Al Bundy?

[mikecobra95]

really then how is it possible to get a to with less than half a second on a rebound?

Who knows, maybe I am wrong......

Doesn't change the fact the Mavs lost though..... I do feel for you especially cause i knwo it suckes to have a team lose you love. But be a real fan and hope for the next win, no point bitching about another loss. Blame the Mavs for missing shots, not anyhting else, they let it slip away, again.....2 games at home coming up, you should win.

[Cartman]

Who knows, maybe I am wrong......

Doesn't change the fact the Mavs lost though..... I do feel for you especially cause i knwo it suckes to have a team lose you love. But be a real fan and hope for the next win, no point bitching about another loss. Blame the Mavs for missing shots, not anyhting else, they let it slip away, again.....2 games at home coming up, you should win.


I am not blaming anybody for shit. I don't like what I am seeing, but I know that the mavs haven't played 1 good game yet in the finals, if we play our game nobody can beat us, the trouble is we haven't.

[mikecobra95]

I am not blaming anybody for shit. I don't like what I am seeing, but I know that the mavs haven't played 1 good game yet in the finals, if we play our game nobody can beat us, the trouble is we haven't.


I hear ya man, I know if my Eagles played their best game in teh Super Bowl, they would have won too, but they didn't. They lost, plain and simple. I agree the Mavs have a better team, but teh heat have the best player in Wade, and it is showing. Mavs can't close out the games and it is the biggest stage of their careers. They can't blame anyone but themselves for letting so much slip away.

But 2 game sin Dallas, maybe they can salvage it.....

[Who Needs 8]

I hear ya man, I know if my Eagles played their best game in teh Super Bowl, they would have won too, but they didn't. They lost, plain and simple. I agree the Mavs have a better team, but teh heat have the best player in Wade, and it is showing. Mavs can't close out the games and it is the biggest stage of their careers. They can't blame anyone but themselves for letting so much slip away.

But 2 game sin Dallas, maybe they can salvage it.....


Wow, you can't seriously compare this to the Eagles Choke.

I mean I'm a football fan 100 times more than a basketball fan, because basketball isn't a sport. But seriously, you can't compare the two.

[LannyN9NE]

Wow, you can't seriously compare this to the Eagles Choke.

I mean I'm a football fan 100 times more than a basketball fan, because basketball isn't a sport. But seriously, you can't compare the two.

Im just trying to figure out why you watched the game tonight, again.

[Who Needs 8]

Im just trying to figure out why you watched the game tonight, again.

I said it already, because I'm a Hometown Homer. Now ask how many NBA finals I've watched before this year.


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[jakesford]

there is a lot to be frustrated about with this game, its a big game and an important win/loss in a 7 game series and it seems that everything went the wrong way for the mavs...

the FT difference was pretty... the heat were at the line twice as much as the mavs in the game (granted they have shaq and wade)

Just hope dirk will show up for the next two games and post some big numbers :D

[LannyN9NE]

Just hope dirk will show up for the next to games and post some big numbers :D

ding ding we have a reason on why the Mavs lost. One superstar steps up and one doesnt.

[JMAC]

Man do you know anything at all about sports or have you ever actually played sports??? Everyone in the fucking world KNOWS when the TO was suppose to be called. And no you can not call one a play in advance. If the refs know you want a TO after a foul shot, you still have to make the call for the TO after the play. You can't call one a play in advance. And anytime a player asked for a TO, it will be granted, especially when they ask twice like the refs said Howard did......

Howard jacked up, end of storyOn a side note...



The Cowboys are gonna own the eagles, end of story....

[Denny]

You know, I've always laughed at people for bitching at poor officiating time and time again, but this time, I think there's a legitimate complaint. Granted, the Mavs played like shit for the most part, but anyone with a total neutral view and an IQ over 60 could tell that there was something going on last night.

[[CS]ls1haha]

The NBA doesnt want mark cuban's team to win a title. They want him to be dead last. Heat are going to take it. Someone is going to lose a home game in this series..... Im not watching anymore.

[Who Needs 8]

You know, I've always laughed at people for bitching at poor officiating time and time again, but this time, I think there's a legitimate complaint. Granted, the Mavs played like shit for the most part, but anyone with a total neutral view and an IQ over 60 could tell that there was something going on last night.

Huh, who'da thunk it.

And it's about 20% Stern not wanting Cuban to win, and 80% that Game 7 is pure profit.

[Juiced4V]

its all set up...NBA wants to push it to game 7

[Zinc_Stang]

Everyone has to admit that call against Dirk on Wade was complete bullshit.

[whitetrash]

there was a backcourt violation. When i saw it i was like WTF but no call so thats how it goes

[Zinc_Stang]

This is the first game where I will say the Mavs were handcuffed by the refs.

[Rock]

Vid Clip of the Backcourt Violation
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tH1JFPGmSP4

[Zinc_Stang]

Actually there is a rule for that. With certain time left after a called timeout. A team can advance the ball past midcourt then throw it back out into the back court. Or something like that.

[gip99drop]

Mavs should have made there free throws at the end of the game. J. Terry should have drove more to the basket, instead of shooting all those 3 pointer bricks. M. Daniels should have played more in the 2nd Half (he played D. Wade better than anyone else that they put on the floor). Hopefully they can turn things around at home.
~Go Mavs~

[Zarathustra]

somebody look that shit up

[The Big Matt]

i'm pretty sure the rule is they can backcourt the ball on a toss in, but they can't inbound the ball then go backcourt.

[Tiny Tim]

i'm pretty sure the rule is they can backcourt the ball on a toss in, but they can't inbound the ball then go backcourt.

yep

[46Tbird]

i'm pretty sure the rule is they can backcourt the ball on a toss in, but they can't inbound the ball then go backcourt.ed zachary

which is why this was a no-call foul

wade has posession, takes one step in the front court, then into the back

http://www.dfwstangs.net/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=64942

lame...

[DbonezNY]

Did anyone watch ESPN spotting howard NEVER speaking to or looking at the ref's asking for a time out?

[mikecobra95]

Did anyone watch ESPN spotting howard NEVER speaking to or looking at the ref's asking for a time out?


WRONG! I think this clearly shows what happened!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2CI-2xzcEsc&search=josh%20howard

[Denny]

WRONG! I think this clearly shows what happened!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2CI-2xzcEsc&search=josh%20howard
LMFAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Woops!

[mikecobra95]

LMFAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Woops!

I made a whole new post about it, can't wait to see all the Mavs fans crawfish on this one......

[momo stallion]

Mike Mathis (former nba ref) for those of you that remember him, remember that he was a great ref. He is on the ticket right now, and he disagrees with the last foul called.

mathis also talked about the timeout blunder. he said he would not have charged dallas with a TO if as soon as it was called, avery said "no, i dont want a time out, i want it after the 2nd shot" b/c it's no harm no foul.

he said there are many times where a player is coming up the court and throws up a T sign with his arms and he would whistle time out. the player would let him know that was not a time out, it was a call for their T2 play or whatever. he said they wouldnt charge them a time out but instead just let them inbound.

game has changed.

[Juiced4V]

Mike Mathis (former nba ref) for those of you that remember him, remember that he was a great ref. He is on the ticket right now, and he disagrees with the last foul called.

mathis also talked about the timeout blunder. he said he would not have charged dallas with a TO if as soon as it was called, avery said "no, i dont want a time out, i want it after the 2nd shot" b/c it's no harm no foul.

he said there are many times where a player is coming up the court and throws up a T sign with his arms and he would whistle time out. the player would let him know that was not a time out, it was a call for their T2 play or whatever. he said they wouldnt charge them a time out but instead just let them inbound.

game has changed.

does not matter...like the say calls can go either way.....the always favor both teams....

[Who Needs 8]

Mike Mathis (former nba ref) for those of you that remember him, remember that he was a great ref. He is on the ticket right now, and he disagrees with the last foul called.

mathis also talked about the timeout blunder. he said he would not have charged dallas with a TO if as soon as it was called, avery said "no, i dont want a time out, i want it after the 2nd shot" b/c it's no harm no foul.

he said there are many times where a player is coming up the court and throws up a T sign with his arms and he would whistle time out. the player would let him know that was not a time out, it was a call for their T2 play or whatever. he said they wouldnt charge them a time out but instead just let them inbound.

game has changed.


He also said that Mark Cuban knows so much about what is going on in the front office, "it's scary".

He also said these guys who are refs now were turned down 20 years ago, but now it's all Buddy Buddy in the league that the people who shouldn't be refs are.


It was a great interview. He had lots of good information.

[Juiced4V]

thats sucks...they need to just let them pay...

[bgnracing]

both charles barkely and reggie miller stated that it was blatently obvious that the heat were allowed to "mug" dallas and dallas was not able to play the same type of game...its all just so this thing can stretch out to a seven game series...when it gets back to dallas, the tables will change up and the heat will get walked on just like they did in game 1-2..its all about $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$...think about how much would be lost if it had of been a sweep...........there's going to be an ass-whoopin at the AAC tonight,the mavs are going to stomp a mudhole in the miami heat......

[Zinc_Stang]

I am getting sick and tired of people using the excuse the Mavs should have made the free throws. How many fucking teams shoot 100% free throws, and how many of those teams shoot that in the playoffs and then in the finals?

Fucking A!!! Maybe if they got 57 free throws they could have won. Christ Wade had more free throws the the whole Dallas Mavs...

[momo stallion]

NEW information.. (from Norm on 1310)

Stu Jackson (the vp of nba operations) is the guy that hands out the fines and shit after games and reviews the disputed calls. Well apparently he hasn't reviewed the game yet.

The ONLY game that's going right now, the ONLY thing he has to watch and he can't be bothered? How the hell did Dirk get fined if he didnt review it? Those decisions come from him.

What Cuban said to Stern, still not disclosed. Incorrect call on the mavs when they "fouled" D-Wade? Backcourt violation? Timeout? Terry clotheslined?

He had an entire day, but didnt review the only game in the NBA? Something doesnt add up. Why not?

I'll tell you why. It IS because they WILL NOT man up to any mistakes until the series is over.

[Zinc_Stang]

The shit is gonna hit the fan once this series is over.

[LannyN9NE]

Mike Mathis (former nba ref) for those of you that remember him, remember that he was a great ref. He is on the ticket right now, and he disagrees with the last foul called.

mathis also talked about the timeout blunder. he said he would not have charged dallas with a TO if as soon as it was called, avery said "no, i dont want a time out, i want it after the 2nd shot" b/c it's no harm no foul.

he said there are many times where a player is coming up the court and throws up a T sign with his arms and he would whistle time out. the player would let him know that was not a time out, it was a call for their T2 play or whatever. he said they wouldnt charge them a time out but instead just let them inbound.

game has changed.

and if you listened to norm he went on to say how Mathis was let go by the league for tax evasion and his son is the Mavs video guy. Im sure you won't get an unbiased opinion from a guy with that in his resume.

[Juiced4V]

Saw this on NBA.com

The NBA fined Dallas Mavericks forward Dirk Nowitzki $5,000 on Monday for kicking the ball into the stands following Game 5 of the finals.


"It's sad for the players that he's decided to become the story of the Finals ... I think the pressure of his first Finals may be getting to him."
- David Stern on Mark Cuban

[momo stallion]

and if you listened to norm he went on to say how Mathis was let go by the league for tax evasion and his son is the Mavs video guy. Im sure you won't get an unbiased opinion from a guy with that in his resume.


yes, but if you kept listening, he did say, nonetheless the guy was a ref for 26 seasons, and something like 8 nba finals. mathis was a damn good ref.

[LannyN9NE]

yes, but if you kept listening, he did say, nonetheless the guy was a ref for 26 seasons, and something like 8 nba finals. mathis was a damn good ref.

i heard that too but wanted to bring that point out also.

[Juiced4V]

Mark Cuban has been fined $250,000 for his actions after Game 5 of the NBA Finals. Details to come.

[JMAC]

I read Mark Cubans blog and he said he didn't say one word to Stern. Those fucks are just trying to stir shit. Did you guys read the article that stated Cuban owned that boat in Miami? They are making up shit now. In one of his blogs his last words were........fuck em

[Who Needs 8]

Here's an interesting read.

Looks like a Professional Writer, NBA Diehard has agreed and published EVERY POINT that I've made about the NBA.

Every point that has caused every single person on this board to call me Retarded, Whinning Fuckhead, etc. (With the exception that he actually says that the NBA is not fixed, yet explains how they fix games).

So maybe you should look at yourself. Open your eyes. Because it's happening right beneath your nose and you have no clue. If you guys are real fans, you should care.

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=simmons/060620

(I'm not going to copy paste because it's long)

[LannyN9NE]

no i still say you are retarded because you whole heartedly believe in all the theories and yet still watch every game and are in every Mavs thread.

[JMAC]

no i still say you are retarded because you whole heartedly believe in all the theories and yet still watch every game and are in every Mavs thread.Because we believe in our team no matter what forces are working against us.

[Who Needs 8]

Because we believe in our team no matter what forces are working against us.

Werd, I even explained to him in a PM that I'm still a Homer. Dallas is Home, and a Dallas team is my team. I've never supported any other professional franchise in any Championship Series/Game.

[momo stallion]

holy shit, who needs 8 is an espn reporter.

j/k, bill simmons is a badass columnist. everything he says (essentially what you said too), pretty much sums it all up.

i added that to my signature.

[LannyN9NE]

Werd, I even explained to him in a PM that I'm still a Homer. Dallas is Home, and a Dallas team is my team. I've never supported any other professional franchise in any Championship Series/Game.

never got a PM from you actually

[LannyN9NE]

Because we believe in our team no matter what forces are working against us.

this was more directed at just one person to be honest, im too lazy to search for it but during the Spurs series he said he would never watch another NBA game again and I said he would while wearing his Dirk jersey.